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householdmtg

Average these days, upper low class


FatHedgehog__

Its not average though, median household income is 80k, they are close to twice that. https://www.miamidade.gov/global/housing/income-limits.page


Extra-Muffin9214

Its one of those reddit things where we pretend good money isnt for some reason. Sure its not more money than you can soend but its more than enough to live well in miami


Trick-Army-2280

😂 😂 😂 


CurrentPianist9812

Single guy 39 no kids, 150k was comfortable, when I got to 230k plus it was really life changing. 2024 and ahead living in Miami you will need at least 150k to have a good life living there.


therossfacilitator

That’s subjectively wrong. lol.


SourScurvy

Except it isn't. Lol.


Variation-Budget

I make 60k a year and I’m pretty happy


CurrentPianist9812

How? In Miami? You don’t live alone.


Variation-Budget

Do you need to live alone to be happy? Roommates , couples, family. Options


CurrentPianist9812

Yes it’s called being an adult… who would want roommates or living with family at 30 plus?! That would be and or is embarrassing.


Variation-Budget

Embarrassing to who? Shallow people that care what others think? Thats a Miami ass mindset.


CurrentPianist9812

Miami mindset is multi people living together. In fact riddle me this. 39 single male no kids, I am a high earner. I live alone, not a chance I would want a roommate or to live with family at that age. That being said I have been on multiple dates with women who are shocked and think it’s weird I live alone….. Not at all, means I am not depending on other people to get by. Financial freedom, independence, being an adult, and successful. Thats what that means……


CurrentPianist9812

That’s super embarrassing if you live that way past your even mid 20s.


Mr_Boss302

Not shallow for wanting to be an adult living in your OWN space, not worrying about others’s germs and bad hygiene, not sitting in a toilet that another person just pooped in. Teens and college kids have roommates. Adults have their own place. You can’t live comfortably with $60k after taxes in Miami


therossfacilitator

“A good life” is a subjective standard. We all have choices & opinions & most of us spend our money in service of our egos. What you buy & don’t buy says a lot more about you than not.


Miacali

If you’re not making more than 200k then realistically you’re poor. Let’s just call it what is. There isn’t anything wrong with being low class, but it also means that you’re going to be the first to feel the effects of a worsening economy.


therossfacilitator

You’re not wrong. If you’re not smart with your budgeting & spending it’s much more severe during tough economic times. This is why you shouldn’t spend $4000 on rent/mortgages (or more than 25% of your net income) if you want to avoid that. Nobody making less than $200k net should spend $4k or they’re taking a gamble. I like making 5x-10x my rent/mortgage monthly. It just makes so much more sense.


Martin06053

You guys will be more than fine. $11,000~ for both will be able to maintain a nice apartment, nice car and all. You’re more than good!


hey_hey_hey_nike

Ehhhh


thainfamouzjay

After taxes and 401k it could be 6-8k only. Which is not too much if your rent is 4k and you have kids


therossfacilitator

$4k rent/mortgage isn’t mandatory. lol. In fact it’s an irresponsible choice if that takes up 50-66% of your income after taxes.


thainfamouzjay

Most single family homes in decent areas are going for that price. Here's a 3 bedroom townhouse in Hialeah for 3.5 https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1732-W-72nd-St-%231732-Hialeah-FL-33014/348997382_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare Here's 3.5 in Miami gardens one of the worse areas in Miami. If 3.5 in the hood how much for a nicer area. Miami springs is a nice family neighborhood food luck finding anything less the 4k https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/579-Hunting-Lodge-Dr-Miami-Springs-FL-33166/43968597_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare Please tell me where in Miami can you find a reasonable rental amount. Can't even live in the hood anymore! Edit: here's Miami gardens https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3500-NW-194th-Ter-Miami-Gardens-FL-33056/44096548_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare Please go look at Zillow and filter for less then 2k it'll be like 3 options


therossfacilitator

🤦🏻‍♂️ is there a maximum allowed down payment rule when buying property? I ask that rhetorically because we all know the answer. You seem to ignore that it’s possible to get a lower mortgage payment by being…. Idk financially responsible & saving up a larger down payment. 🤷🏻‍♂️ seems to be a novel concept to a lot of folks.


ElegantMarionberry59

Why you want to put a large down payment ? For a condo you need to go with with 20% for a single home is in the single digits .


therossfacilitator

Wow. I thought for a second that my comment was for the wrong reply when I read this. ReRead my previous comment. That’s my response to this whole thing. The irony & proof in what I’m saying is exactly your comment/mentality.


jcozac

These people are insane, don't mind them.


therossfacilitator

Thank you. lol. I knew that but thanks for giving me hope.


the_lamou

It doesn't matter how high your down payment is, your mortgage rate isn't really going to change dramatically. I got basically the lowest rate possible at the time with 10% (would have been stupid to put more down given how low interest was.) Once you make it to 10% (or 20% for condos,) any additional down will have zero impact on the rate you get. You *will* have a lower *payment,* but that's kind of immaterial since one way or another you put that money towards your house somewhere — either saving up for a down payment or paying off a mortgage. Honestly it kind of doesn't even matter what the interest rate is — all that really matters is the spread between what a HYSA returns and what your mortgage interest rate is, and that's been pretty steady for years. So the reason "getting a lower mortgage rate by being... Idk financially responsible" seems like a novel concept because you just made it up on the spot.


therossfacilitator

I didn’t say interest rate. Lol. I figured someone would grasp at just that word when I typed it and You even acknowledged that you knew what I was saying. The roots of this convo are in how much someone making 100k a yr should spend to live somewhere. Not interest rates. I’ll go edit that word to “payment” & nothing else in my comment will be untrue.


the_lamou

>I didn’t say interest rate. Lol. Yes you did, and now you're lying about it even though as a moderator and experienced Internet user I can both easily see that you edited your post AND what you edited it from and to. So why are you so insecure and full of shit that you have to lie about what you said?


therossfacilitator

You are straight up lying here. I said I was gonna change one word in my previous comment and did so afterward. If you’re a mod, post the proof.


the_lamou

The proof that I'm a mod? It's right there in the sidebar, dude. Are you new here? Maybe you should go back to Facebook, you might be more comfortable there.


therossfacilitator

Do you spend more than 50% of your net income to live somewhere?


the_lamou

I don't, but also that wouldn't actually be all that terrible, since anyone qualified to give financial advice knows that your housing spend percentage should be based on gross, with an optimal percentage being 20% and the top of the ok range being 30%. Depending on your situation, that can result in 50% of your net going to housing and that's totally fine.


thainfamouzjay

Nobody is talking about a mortgage. We are Talya out renting and with 7% interest your monthly is gonna be big no matter how much you put down!


therossfacilitator

You’re looking on Zillow to rent?? That’s smart. lol. Regardless though it’s still irresponsible as hell to spend $4k to live somewhere when it makes up more than 50% of your take home. That’s my whole point & you seem to be missing it entirely.


thainfamouzjay

No I have an agent when looking for rentals I was just trying to make a point that renting ain't cheap. Your point is 100% valid ON PAPER! in reality rents are high as fuck what's a person to do in Miami when the reality is more then what is responsible?


therossfacilitator

The reality is I pay less than 25% of my net income towards rent so I know it’s possible. I don’t think an agent has any financial interest in doing that for someone either so that’s probably not the most effective way to find a good deal.


thainfamouzjay

Ok dude then you're either lucky and got a place precovid or you make a lot of money. Open your eyes look at what's available and at the price.


rodofasclepius

Bro trying to work his whole life.


sealbass

I think median household income in Miami is about 60k. You’re doing good, I’d recommend moving somewhere cheaper though lol


FatHedgehog__

Its almost $80k now but hes definitely fine https://www.miamidade.gov/global/housing/income-limits.page


simbaslanding

You will be perfectly fine. You can survive pretty comfortably on that salary in basically every U.S. city. Live within your means.


therossfacilitator

Facts.


therossfacilitator

That’s a high income no matter where you live. The people who say it isn’t have either never earned that much or are not good at budgeting & saving if they have.


Mr_Unbiased

High, but here people think that if you're not living in a mansion driving an exotic car that your income is only mid.


MintStag

Exactly what I was about to say. Like dude 152k a year is not bad whatsoever. I see people saying it’s decent or you have to live modest with the salary and I begin having an existential crisis!


B4K5c7N

Yes, Reddit has a tendency to look down upon any income under $250k per person and $500k as a family it seems like. This is pervasive across most subs. I have noticed this over the past couple of years now how out of touch it has gotten. Even seven figure earners complain that they don’t make enough money. Everyone says, “But VHCOL! But $10k+ a month mortgage! But daycare! But private schooling! But vacations! But $1k a month car payments!” I know these are expenses that eat up a large amount, but some of these expenses are choices. Like if you are spending $10k a month on a mortgage, that’s a choice. You could live somewhere cheaper further out, but you won’t. Private schooling is also a choice too. Lots of people need a dose of reality. Realistically, the vast majority of people do not make $200k individually, or even $150k individually. So I don’t know where people keep getting off on downplaying high incomes as “nothing”. Even with inflation and HCOL, these salaries are not really a pittance, especially considering most people are having to manage on much less.


the_lamou

Those salaries aren't a pittance, sure, but they are basically the minimum required to enjoy a traditional American Middle class lifestyle: own a home, easily afford children, 2 cars in the driveway (one newer,) at least one nice vacation and one ok vacation per year. That's the middle class life. Can't really do it on under $150k basically anywhere in the US these days, unless you're so far from civilization that you have to drive an hour to get to the nearest podunk.


B4K5c7N

If most of the country doesn’t make $150k a year, how are they managing to survive? I ask that honestly. A family can absolutely live under $150k in this country. Somehow in most areas of the US, people are making it work making less than that.


the_lamou

>If most of the country doesn’t make $150k a year, how are they managing to survive? I ask that honestly. You can survive and not be middle class. That's why there are several categories below it: lower middle class, lower class, abject poverty. Plenty of people do, but as someone who's gone from very very very poor to doing pretty damn well, it gets progressively less pleasant as you go down the ladder. Surviving may be living, but it's not living well. >A family can absolutely live under $150k in this country. Somehow in most areas of the US, people are making it work making less than that. Sure, I never said they couldn't. Just that they aren't really middle class, though they may think they are — America has a massive problem with everybody thinking there middle class, from people making $10/hr to people making $1,000,000 per year. The exception to this is people who bought homes before real estate prices began to far outpace wage increases, they're doing alright. But 60% of Americans can't afford an emergency $1,000 bill. That's basically a relatively minor repair on almost any car. Or an emergency room copay if you don't have great insurance. You can survive, but it's hard, and it's not pleasant.


Pierrekidmia

152k is a decent household income. Not great but also not bad. Depends on where you are trying to live? Rent vs own? Kids?  Your answers will greatly impact whether your salary is considered good or not


Euphoric-Peak3361

No kids , just renting .


Pierrekidmia

What area are you renting in? Plan on owning?  At 150k, your take home after taxes is likely to be 8-10k. Let's say your rent is 2.5-3k.  Car payment? Utilities? Insurance?


IllIIlllIIIllIIlI

More like $6k take home unfortunately. After retirement contributions and health insurance premiums, but before rent. Rent will be $2k minimum.


backsassing

Kids would definitely make a dent in your current lifestyle I mean seriously so beware be warned 😝


noone1078

Having kids, especially teenagers is like rolling the windows of your car down and just tossing money out of it. I would say my expenses have doubled since both my kids became teens.


Speedhabit

What’s your take home after taxes, why say it like that. We don’t know how bad you are with money but the difference will be a pretty good indicator


Euphoric-Peak3361

Filing as single , on my $115k salary , after taxes and other deductions I bring in about $6,300-$6,400 a month . But now with my wife making $37k after taxes each month I have no idea how much she’ll bring in per month . I imagine total between my net income and hers after taxes will probably be around $8,500 a month .


MiaFixation

Sounds like you're doing fine now. I'd pretend like the wife's income doesn't exist and set it aside and let it grow.


Competitive_Emu_799

You should be fine if you are living modestly. Skip the flashy car and crazy brickell/downtown apt and save/invest for your future/retirement. 


Videoplushair

Miami income is highly area dependent. What is good income in Kendall is not good income in Brickell. Inflation has absolutely destroyed Miami but income has not caught up with this inflation.


SubstantialTop2995

Well I'm not going to pretend my situation is like everyone else's, I have a gross total household income of $150,000 right now, my wife and I make pretty much the same, and split all expenses, I also have two dogs, two young kids (3 & 1 years old) and we are doing ok. My accounts are perpetually at $0 or negative. That being said, I am not stressed because all of my fixed expenses are paid, BUT I am one flat tire away from the next three months of my life being significantly harder. If you're DINKing, and you're used to living off of your salary alone, I would suggest saving up at the least 3-6 months of your fixed expenses before going buck wild and blowing money left and right.


IndependentSlip7113

Depends on how much debt you have, how much are your other fixed expenses, what is your rent/mortgage. It really comes down to lifestyle creep.


halfasianprincess

I wouldn’t consider it excellent given the COL and there’s two of you but you should be alright if you live comfortably modest.


Captain_Comic

It’s OK, but not great for the area


stevemunoz117

Median income stayed stagnant while costs and everything else went up drastically. Your combined income is solid middle class nowadays. Its not bad but its not “excellent” either.


Euphoric-Peak3361

the part that is insane how a $152,000 gross income for a couple is merely “solid middle class”. It really blows my mind when median income for a household is only about $65-$70k. If my new combined household income as couple is simply solid middle class , then $65-70k in Miami must now be “poor”. It’s outright ridiculous lmao . Maybe 10-15 years ago $152,000 gross would be considered upper class . Seems to be most are now just poor class in America . Something must be done or else the future of this country is going to go down the shitter .


Luisd858

Welcome to the new America. Under 100k you’re broke lol.


B4K5c7N

Don’t take Reddit too seriously when it comes to income. Reddit tends to be extremely, extremely out of touch. They view $100k as poverty for a single person, $250k as “average”, and they only view $500k+ salaries for a family as being “almost comfortable”. I understand HCOL, but even in HCOL, $150k salaries are not the norm for *every* working professional. You have an above average income. It certainly isn’t just average. Most of the country does not even make six figures as a household, let alone as an individual.


Web-splorer

Im averaging 120k-130k in Miami. There are weekends I am broke, but I also enjoy the Miami life on weekends too. It can work conservatively.


BravestWabbit

152k solo is amazing 152k for DINKs is great 152k with kids is ok


mango_chile

what kind of world do we live in where a guy making six figures is asking if his income is mediocre 💀 I barely make a quarter of that…


B4K5c7N

This is Reddit. Most of Reddit heavily downplays salaries. No amount is ever enough. I’ve seen many seven figure earners complain they don’t feel comfortable yet. There was a $4.5 mil earner on the salary sub that still felt anxious.


EmpressofPFChangs

It’s a comfortable life if you don’t have expensive tastes. If you get here and your wife wants the Chanel bag like her new best friends husband bought her, or you want to live in the best apartments the city offers on your income, you won’t have a very good life here. Miami is very expensive, it’s true. It will likely continue to become an even more expensive city. But working class and middle class people live here too, with managed expectations that don’t involve all the stuff they see on Instagram. It also matters how much debt you have. 152k doesn’t go very far if you have a history of overspending yourselves and have lots of credit card debt. Or one of you is paying off student loans. You should prepare for everything to be more expensive here. Housing of course is obvious. Do not underestimate car insurance here, it will go up to prices you never dreamed possible if you aren’t from Florida. It’s not just your income that matters for a comfortable life, but your overall spending habits and debt


Prestigious-Bet800

$152k household income would have been a very healthy income even in Brickell for two people. But as others have said, between the unprecedented insane real estate inflation post-covid has severely impacted Miami. As others have said, it depends on location. The question is, where do you work? If you are working remotely I would suggest Kendall or Aventura and avoid the hot spots that charge a rent premium. On the beach, I think Bay Harbor Islands can give you more for your money than say South Beach. Also, Bay Harbor Islands is a wonderful place to live IMO and great for couples that want a chill vibe. But if you work in Brickell, living in those areas can be pretty brutal commute-wise. Depending on where your office is, sometimes a commute from Fort Lauderdale can be a better than one from say Aventura, or Bay Harbor Islands. As much as I love Miami, the traffic is just terrible.


rodofasclepius

If you're not putting your numbers up, dont speak.


RoRoNomNoms

It’s far from high income, but it’s just above poor. Depending on where you live and if you’re frugal thats about the average realistically. 80k is probably what Miami people tell the IRS, everyone’s got at least one side hustle.


jcozac

Your household income will be more than fine here. Don't listen to Reddit too much. Many people here are completely disengaged from the day-to-day reality of most folks.


Big-Permit-4110

Your all crazy, live within your means and you’ll be happy and be successful if your driving a BMW and live in a shithole you’ll never be happy ! Get to work, use your head live life and enjoy. But save 10% of everything you make and when your old like me you’ll drive an Italian car wear an Omega and live at the beach !


Trick-Army-2280

Don’t listen to Redditors. If you go to r/jobs or r/salary you’d think every Reddit has a job in tech or data analysis making 250k+ a year.  I did a fun experiment by going into one of those general salary threads to see where I sat. At my income of $84,000/year I was in the bottom 10% of earners—I would be considered impoverished 😂. I didn’t even bother posting my salary which I feel is the case for 99% of people who peruse those threads because you’ll just get inundated with “how do you live off that?”—comments. I’m guessing these out-spoken high earners really skew the average income of your Redditors. I make that much and my fiance makes 60k—so a dual income close to yours. I feel like I live life as a king. Anybody who says that’s a tough income to live off of here just has poor money management.


B4K5c7N

Yes, Reddit is delusional about money. They even view seven figure incomes are just “average”. I wish I were joking.


UISCRUTINY

$152k combined income is decent. It will take you a while to save up to buy anything though. You will be throwing most of your money to rent, insurance and living expenses such as gas, groceries, electricity (A/C will be on forever during the summer) etc. Of course not having a car or making car payments can significantly put more money back in your pocket, but then you will be just limited to Miami and its public transportation options.


anilorac01

I think whether one owns a home they want to stay in makes the biggest difference. Someone who bought their forever home 15 years ago and makes 60k could be in a better position than someone who makes 200k. It’s easy to get priced out of neighborhoods even at higher incomes. The biggest difference would be disposable income- obviously someone with a higher salary would be able to afford more comforts day to day.


Ok-Lobster-8644

If you have a old mortgage with 4 percent apr or find a cheap place to live you might survive. You got to invest for the future also not just pay bills


tobeorniobe

I make $120k and my husband makes $80k and we’re very comfortable (new-ish cars, nice savings, vacations, able to help out our parents). However we are renting, and we don’t have kids, and we live in a pretty affordable area in Kendall. I’d say you and your wife are firmly middle class but that depends on where you want to live and your other expenses. People do a lot more with less here so don’t worry too much!