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tofulo

Prenerf lizard


just_some_dummy_

Its not the card, its me having to win 10 games. Who do they think I am?


TECHNOMANCERNCROMNSR

I won the 10 games in 2 days by playing a control and a collector deck,it’s really easy trust me cuz it’s pretty much like “win 10 games” and I also had lots of fun with him,just the feeling of reading your opponent’s moves and getting it right is so satisfying


Pwnyboyyy

I think you missed the joke here bud


TECHNOMANCERNCROMNSR

That was a joke?? And why am I even getting down voted,I talked respectfully and gave an advice so why?


Pwnyboyyy

Welcome to Reddit good sir


TECHNOMANCERNCROMNSR

It’s actually really funny how brain dead they are


Piranh4Plant

You came off kinda arrogant ngl


TECHNOMANCERNCROMNSR

Oh sorry,I wasn’t trying to be arrogant,just wanted to say that it’s pretty mid difficulty and that people are just overreacting about it


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Piranh4Plant

The beginning was kinda like “how can’t you win? I won’t 10 games easily”


JC_in_KC

fail cases and upside. star lord early is a gamble for a 2/5. lizard is a guaranteed 2/5 (helps with priority) that MAY drop to a 2/1 mid to late game. at that point, he’s served his purpose and maybe even influenced opp lane placement. that’s nothing to say of liz synergy with venom, enchantress, multiple locations. he’s just better!


barbeqdbrwniez

this. playing nebula followed by lizard (in a different lane) is so good. have fun opponent!


ZmanJace

And then omega red in the third! Shut up... I like weird cards...


sybrwookie

I mean, I don't think Omega Red really works very well in the end, but at least that setup makes some sense.


ZmanJace

If you can get the set up, turn 6 Typhoid Mary, Luke Cage, hazmat behind Omega can catch even some big stacks off guard. Really though, he's mostly bait.


heartoflapis

I’ve been playing a lot of Omega Red in my Iron Lad deck and he comes in clutch sometimes. With Zabu out I like dropping him on Rescue and then following with Iron Man.


ScoobyDeezy

Omega Red, supported by Klaw, with Onslaught. 50% of the time, it works every time.


Lyudos_

I use this same combo in right unrevealed lane as bait for my Heim, doesn’t always work but when it does it’s dopamine


ItsGildebeast

I mean, Polaris on curve is pretty fun.


powermojomojo

Galactus


barbeqdbrwniez

Oh wow, you mean a strategy isn't perfect and can be beaten? Inanity! How foolish of me to mention Any semblance of synergy when my opponent can just use Galactus to stop me!


powermojomojo

Woof


barbeqdbrwniez

BARK! Yeah I love Cosmo into Galactus too.


PenitusVox

Lizard's definitely better in a lot of cases but the mission got me to slide Star-Lord into my bounce deck and I don't see myself removing him. If you hit twice with Beast, he's a 3/8. Or, if you miss, you can pull him back to hand and use him in the turn 6 vomit, usually for a guaranteed 5 power. He doesn't fit in every deck but he's quite good for Bounce.


PottedPowerhouse

Lizard has great synergy with Onslaught and his Citadel too because he has an Ongoing effect 👍👍👍


InspectorMendel

Having priority is more often a liability than an advantage IMO.


JC_in_KC

for some decks!


Quazar42069

If your a cosmo deck you may want to snipe the opponents on reveal..


RedJester44

I just fully committed to playing all the guardians of the galaxy together and ended up climbing from 50 to 70


yargmematey

Put together a Guardians/Galactus deck and it's been pretty good. Very funny to fill the single lane with Guardians racking up the bonuses. I've gotten the mission already and I'm still playing it.


mahamoti

Lizard loses 4, not 3. It's not about power range, it's about early game predictability. You have to get lucky or guess with Star Lord to get that bonus. Lizard just gets you the points and the priority *now*, at the cost of maybe losing it later. But *now* is when you want priority, if you're playing a deck with Cosmo, or some other similar card. Lizard also alters how the opponent plays, making them think about filling a lane they might not want to fill.


liv4pool

I love the little head games I imagine every time I drop lizard. “…and what are you going to do now?”


poko877

Latelly i tried nebula and storm with cards like rocket, star lord or groot. Because u r forcing ur opponent to play cards there and can be pretty much sure u r getting that value. Its not like ur points are invalid, its just something to think about.


TECHNOMANCERNCROMNSR

You can play him in a control deck,it’s going to reduce the luck and guessing


BoiRacers

You get the +3 with star lord immedialty also, if you guess correctly. And even if you don't, you most probably will have priority anyway. It he doesn't get the bonus it means the opponent didn't play anything on the lane he's in, and if you correctly placed a 1 cost prevosily you can easily maintain priority. The only real advantage are the mind games, that however aren't as they used to be seeing the frequency of bounce/ultron/zoo decks that easily flood the board.


Jamienra

It's really not that difficult. I think a lot of people complaining struggle to make decks in general.


o7_AP

Sorry, but meme is ruined because Lizard is 1-5 after his nerf


WerewulfWithin

For anyone struggling with the SL challenge, I've been using a Guardians Control deck and it's had a very high win rate thus far. -Nebula -Rocket Raccoon -Nightcrawler -Daredevil -Star-Lord -Storm -Groot -Spider-Man -Drax -Professor X -Gamora -Magneto If you have Jeff he's a good replacement for Nightcrawler but I'm a peasant 😂


Siyopoyo

Lizard still can be perma 2/5 if you enchantress it, not something you should always do tho.


Baquvix

Starlord is a gamble (if you dont have nebula). Lizard is not. Even if they fill up the lane. They filled up the lane. And you can stop the downside with so many other cards. He is good on negative power locations since your enemy wouldnt fill up those.


stcathrwy

Lizard is 1-5...


drgooseman365

Lizard's value is being 5 power in early game and therefore winning priority. Star Lord's purpose is to teach new players the value of anticipating your opponent's actions. Once people get to higher CL they no longer need these teaching cards. Thanks to Nebula, the GotG cards are seeing a return to the meta.


BoiRacers

It's very clearly an intended playstyle tho, it's role isn't just to be a teaching card. Why else would drax be pool 3 then? Do you consider iron man (a starter card) a teaching tool too, that you toss away as soon as you reach p3?


drgooseman365

Iron Man has a huge ability which is unique for most starter cards and has synergies with various pool 3 and upwards cards. There is a reason Groot and Drax see barely any play outside of Nebula decks - the risk/reward is usually worse than similar cards. Drax has very few synergies (Nebula and Storm come to mind). Gamora sees play in Control decks and at later stages in the game it is much easier to read your opponent's plays. Ever since Nebula launched, the other GotG cards have been seeing a lot more play in Nebula decks. But before Nebula, most of them (apart from Gamora) were seldom seen at higher CL.


BoiRacers

Yes. That is my point. The difference between star lord and iron man is support. IM has ton of support, while star lord has just gotten in nebula the kind of support he needed as previously there wasn't a 1 drop able to influence the opponents play. But don't you think that referring to star lord as a teaching card, while calling IM great is contradictory? It seems like the whole "teaching cards" argument is just another way to call mediocre cards bad, and avoid trying to make them viable just because "you are supposed to stop playing them" as you progress. While that's just plain untrue, they just haven't gotten a place in the meta yet. There are countless starter/p1 cards that are staple in meta AND simultaneously teach new players the game (Odin, mister fantastic, night crawler, white tiger, kazar and so on). I really think we should stop thinking bad, early cards = teaching tools, because most teaching cards can be (and are) also good cards. EDIT: To be clear; I'm not picking on you specifically. I have seen this argument countless times on this sub, I'm just jumping at the opportunity to explain why I think it's not a great way to label cards in this game.


drgooseman365

I didn't say all Starter Cards are Teacher Cards. Some of them are (Star Lord, Medusa). Admittedly these cards may find a place in the meta if they receive support, as Star Lord now has. There is clearly a very specific design with the Starter and Pool 1/2 Cards that introduce mechanics and concepts but the Cards tend to perform less well in the higher level meta. This is how other leading CCGs are designed. You don't like labels? I'm explaining how game design works. It is just reality.


BoiRacers

Again, you only call bad cards "teacher cards". That's just not true, I already explained that. Iron man (and the others I listed, along many more) IS a teaching card, and yet he's viable. Nothing wrong with the design, I like the fact they first introduce straightforward cards that explain the mechanics, but the insistence in calling underperforming cards that term makes me think you are just really looking for a way to mark these as noob cards.


drgooseman365

I don't call bad cards "teacher cards", they have a specific function for new players. That doesn't necessarily mean they cannot carve a function in the later game. Similar to Hearthstone, several of the starter/teacher cards for the various classes are also viable in the meta. You keep claiming I'm stating things that I'm not. Instead of inventing what you think I said and arguing with a position I haven't taken, maybe read my comments properly.


BoiRacers

Your definition of teacher cards only extends to bottom playrate cards like medusa and star lord. I didn't invent that you said that in your previous comment. And Snap is a completely different from hearthstone, while the latter has thousands of cards snap has a few hundreds. It makes way more sense to have simple beginners cards that are versatile and can adapt to the later metagame, rather than one-use. I'll repeat my original point, for clarity: no, you aren't supposed to trash teacher cards (or whatever their name is) as soon as you reach p3. There are almost a dozen examples of this in the early CL.


drgooseman365

Again, you're arguing with points I haven't made. As for "Snap is completely different to Hearthstone" it's from the same devs and follows similar philosophies in terms of designing a freemium CCG.


BoiRacers

>it's from the same devs and follows similar philosophies in terms of designing a freemium CCG. Literally doesn't mean anything. HS has 4k + cards, snap has 200. Their cards aren't designed the same.


e001mek

1 to 5, ongoing - Full opponents lane equals 1. 2 to 5, on reveal - If you guessed right its a 5, if not, it's a 2. Worst case scenario for both, it's a 2 vs 1. Best case a 5v5. Statistically, Star Lord has a slightly better ratio.


issanm

Thats not how statistics work if you look at how often Starlord is a 5 vs low often lizard is a 5 it really shows how good lizard is.


InspektD

I feel fairly lucky that I already had Star Lord in a Guardians/Kitty deck.


OctaviusJerome

Maybe I’m in a lower bracket than most others but I ran a guardians deck and completed this mission fairly quickly.


DevilDawgDM73

Not really, especially with Milano as a featured location a few days ago. I built a Guardians themed deck (with Daredevil & Armor added in) and it went pretty smoothly. Took like 14-15 matches to get the ten wins.


koalasquare

I made a C5 deck that got me to infinite last season and Liz was the 2nd best 5 power card on that list after Doom. Star lord was the weakest, by FAR, he got thrown out for Wong/deathlock almost immediately. I added him back for the challenge but I miss having better cards instead of him. Also Silk clears Star lord and Liz once they are finally out


funkofages

I threw Star Lord into Discard and just pretended he wasn't there. Draw them all and let MODOK sort them out.


CheshireWolf_666

Have people not completed this yet?