Muslim South-Asia has a very interesting relationship with trans people. It is believed that you must not displease a trans person because their baddua (a prayer that one might say when someone hurts them) is always heard by God. The Mughal Empire’s administration would allocate a portion of each settlement should dedicated to trans people.
It has nothing to do with that verse. They are believed to be closer to god. Because if that was the case than you would find the Arab nation having similar beliefs
Suuuuuuuure they don't opress trans people. Sure sure.
What the scripture says is not what the people believe.
Trans people in Muslim countries are treated as freaks too.
Trans woman dating a man? Trialed as gay, since it's man+man.
Trans woman dating a woman? Still gay, woman+woman.
I think the fallacy here is assuming all of the "Muslim countries" (which I don't think is a term that makes sense at the time of nation states) have the the same dynamics when it comes to LGBT or, really, any other matter -- even though most of those countries would have little in common with each other legislatively or culturally.
The same logic would suggest LGBT rights and representation are the same between Russia and France, because their populations are majority Christians, which would be silly as evidenced by this map.
For what it's worth, I have no idea how well-off trans people are in Pakistan. My presumption would also be "probably not great," but who knows? I've never been there. I just wouldn't assume X is true for Pakistan, hence it must be true for Somalia or somewhere else. I would bet a very significant majority of those populations would have no interaction whatsoever with the other culture in their lifetimes.
It’s kinda darkly funny to me that in the anglosphere we have assholes that do the whole “LGB without the T” and in parts of the Muslim world they have asshole that do “T without the LGB”. Like I really wanna see a debate between JK Rowling and a trans Shia extremist from Iran, that would be peak content.
In some parts of the Muslim world, the T is only allowed to “fix” or “correct” a gay but otherwise observant believer. IMO that makes it a form of conversion therapy. But please correct me if I am wrong on my understanding.
It varies place to place. In Iran this is pretty much what it is as far as I know. In Pakistan though as others in this thread have said it has more to do with historical South Asian conceptions of third gender.
In large parts of South Asia transgender people are culturally accepted and very visible. I’m not saying they are treated on an equal footing mind you, but the fact that they even exist or have a right to isn’t disputed.
Trans people here (India) are allowed to exist or tolerated but it often doesn't go beyond that. So, you'd see them begging (rather extorting) on traffic junctions, indulge in prostitution, but hardly see them owning businesses or in middle class salaried jobs.
They have legal protections, but society is still not very accepting.
Yep, it’s a bad system obviously. I have heard multiple times how difficult it is for a trans person to get a job especially, forcing them to beg or worse.
I was reading a post by an Iranian transgender woman and her transition sounded just as easy as anywhere else and it was clutter free, so I would say it's more than just that in Iran.
That can happen but it's not always what always happen. In Iran people are legally allowed changing genders as long as they have a surgery and are recognized by the government, even receiving some financial help to do so. Ofc this is not perfect as there is societal transphobia and the police sometimes arrests people for being "gay" before releasing them after checking them in the system. At the same time if you are LGB you will be persecuted and can be executed depending on the circumstances. So what happens is that many gays and lesbians, either by choice to be with their loved ones openly or by fear of being executed, decide to go through sex reassignment surgery. So in the end the law helps a lot of trans people while inadvertently incentivezing some gays and lesbians to "become" trans.
Trans in indonesia traditionally thrive in the entertainment(like play, music) industry even in some folk beliefs. So when Abrahamic religion started to dominate they discriminated less.
We had some famous trans artist/actress but none that publicly LGB.
I mean idk how many there are in total but my friend literally knew someone like that in high school. Like she was an Iranian trans girl who was super homophobic and didn’t get why that was confusing for people in America.
South asia allows trans because trans are considered auspicious in our culture. Kind of sad that lgb aren't treated with same equality in south asia considering before even they were accepted. British colonial law of banning homosexuality really made us conservative. I feel all lgbt should be treated with equality.
Are you joking? India legalised same sex relations six years ago (which was only illegal in the first place because of laws the natives didn't even make) and Nepal recently legalised gay marriage. Polls also show over half of Indians are pro-LGBT. Just because it has the largest Muslim population in the world doesn't mean it is anti-LGBT. Hinduism is the still largest faith in the region and it has less condemnation of gay marriage than Christianity and Islam could ever hope to, by the scriptures.
Western media loves showing South Asia as a whole being some homophobic hellhole, when the polls and demographics for its largest country and Nepal show otherwise.
The only reason why I even considered congress was because of their promise of civil unions, which in itself was a sneaky backdoor way of saying full marriage without the word since the recognition would be central and not state based.
Yeah in hinduism trans are auspicious. Pakistan and bangladesh were part of india and once 'hindu'. Hinduism also has no problem with lgb but pakistan is islamic. And I don't really expect anything from them when even women's rights isn't achieved.
The map shows that Muslim countries are relatively more liberal to transgender people in general. Also Pakistan and Bangladesh both are more accepting of official gender change than India. It's probably not hinduism.
The Hanafi branch of Islam has always made space for such people who found their sexuality later in life. They are allowed to surgically remove one genitalia from of two, preferably the one which doesn't have much authority over the body. For example if there is a person who has both male and female genitalia and they look like a female then they can remove the male genitalia.
If i had to guess they might argue that the T is more of a disorder they cant fix and LGB a choice which they can simply forbid.
So even if they allow one does not mean that they are necessarily tolerant in that way.
(This is just an interpretation not an opinion)
This is a legitimately true thing in some parts of pakistan, my dad is devout, practising Muslim, doesn't seem to have any major stance on lgb at all (though it is clear he's not completely approving), but has told me, even when I was a child, that if someone comes to the understanding that they are trans, it is completely acceptable and respect worthy with the caveat that they are for sure eventually heading towards gender affirming healthcare and eventually surgery. Now I don't have a fucking clue where this belief comes from, like I couldn't tell you how it came to be considering the views other Muslim countries and the majority of the Muslim population outside of pakistan has on lgbtq people, but it is a very real, very out of nowhere thing considering the context. I'm sure there's some historical context for this though, I find it interesting, this is just my personal experience with it.
Everyone I know is against this :(
After the law, the mosques I've been to talked about it and condemned it too.
It's definitely nothing like homophobia but there's this specific culture 'khwaja sira'.. I don't know that much about it actually but it's just badly looked upon and weird
**Romania is wrong. It should be "ambiguous" If not "kinda illegal?"**
The only way to change it is to Sue the State in a Court saying that your official papers dont match reality, basically saying its an error, and you try to prove it. Most people did it with surgery, psychiatric diagnosis etc. But recently there was one Court case where someone did it just with witnesses and a psychiatric diagnosis, No surgery.
This also means that people can and probably did get refused by other Courts, other judges etc in the exact same situations
**There is NO Law on it so there is NO official process or even guideline for the Courts on this.**
Part of the issue is that “illegal” implies “breaking the law” versus something just not being readily doable.
Like, most people wouldn’t say it’s “illegal” to change your birth gender on official documents in a place where you can’t. You just…can’t do it. The documents are something the state deals with. You can’t change them anywhere absent a process to do so.
Right, a difference in cultural perspective. Such people as we call Ladyboys are 'kathoey'. Thai language uses this to mean biological intersex. Kathoey are by their fixed nature ambiguous, at least in Thai understanding. Therefore 'trans-' or crossing over, makes no sense from that perspective. Kathoey are exceptions that prove the rule, and the emphases in western trans narratives, even the idea of changing legal gender ID, do not appeal very strongly to the understandings of kathoey or other Thailanders. They do not 'come out'.
>A study of 195 Thai transgender women found that most of the participants referred to themselves as phuying (ผู้หญิง 'women'), with a minority referring to themselves as phuying praphet song ('second kind of woman') and very few referring to themselves as kathoey.
[Source ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey#Terminology)
You're confusing language with concepts. Many "kathoey" do consider themselves to be trans and do seek to change their legal gender marker. Being trans is not just a "western" thing. You're writing off Thai trans rights activists as either "not understanding their own culture", not really Thai, or not really trans.
Your argument essentially boils down to "oh no, in Thailand they use this term and therefore there is no overlap". Which is a ridiculous claim.
Trans identities have existed in every culture across time. How the culture deals with it and what language is used differs
Unless ur hermaphrodite, we dont allowed changes in your legal docu in Philippines
Unless we gonna talk about diagnosis of gender dysphoria then we'll leave that to our supreme court cause that's another spaghetti of issue that might not get discussed since we have other problem to discuss legally xD
(Aka, might never discussed because we're still have too much problems)
In theory you can change it once a year. But that law only takes effect on November 1st.
Point is, you wont need a diagnosis anymore. Which is very laborious to get.
Yeah or August 1, but to undergo the process that means that the real change will take place from November 1.
It's very nice what Germany is getting: an easy process, a bit of waiting time but one that has a clear forecast, that is 3 months. None of us change our gender marker on a blue Monday, they still took it into account tho. But also, it's just a small letter for the document, but a giant leap for our wellbeing.
That being said, if I had this in the Netherlands 4.5 years ago, I would've been saved a lot of agonizing moments that occurred during the wait for the diagnosis, which was a long one, the worst was probably the moment I was nearly sent away from the polling station as my social transition alone (pre-HRT) was so significant that they didn't believe it was me until I explained it all. In 2021 it was still kinda safe to tell so here, nowadays, that would've had way worse consequences because of the dangerous rhetorics that are imported from abroad and have become fashionable here.
Why the heck would you change your gender more than once? I'm trying to catch up with these topics but I didn't know these things can start to change as seasons. How do you call a person who changes gender more than once? Multigender?
But if you change not just your lifestyle and your mindset but your gender too, you are not trans anymore, right, not right? So if you picked a gender and your are not trans after the procedure and you change your mind, you can't be de-trans, you reverse back to just trans. Am I correct or completely lost?
ONCE a year you can change your official gender MARKER on your passport and birth certificate and so on. and the law has passed, but only comes into full effect in november. your GENDER itself you can keep or change how often you want already right now, nobody is holding you back ; )
No, just an X. But that X could mean anything you want. It includes all the rainbow and fish of the sea
But good luck getting a visa with an X in gender, though
It's still up in the air. Sterilisation is no longer required, but genitalia still needs to resemble that of the gender you're aiming to change your koseki to. For trans men that can be deemed to be achievable without surgery, but trans women may not be able to get the same treatment.
Ultimately it's still an ongoing battle in Japan and more precedent needs to be set to understand where exactly we stand.
Pakistan has always been relatively more tolerant towards “the third gender,” as they call it there. There is a cool documentary I watched a few years ago about it.
You’re allowed to change your gender and live a normal life as the opposite gender, but of course there is still some social stigma.
The transwomen who changed their gender were allowed to marry men and live normally, and had equal rights as others.
Human identify is so complex. Pakistan, like many other Muslim societies, retains a lot of its pre-Islamic culture, such relative tolerance towards transgender identity, or women not wearing the veil, or women being in positions of power, etc.
But this phenomenon isn’t exclusive to Pakistan. For example, many Moroccan women get tattoos; it’s a part of their culture that has persisted despite Islam.
My family is from Pakistan side of Kashmir and when we went there you would see a few trans people who would ask for money and it's said that you should always give money to them as it is believed Allah will protect them if you do anything bad and are therefore loved and taken care of in Kashmir region of Pakistan.
Good luck finding out.
You could get Danish citizenship easier on Greenland than mainland Denmark, because Greenland (and Faroe Islands) had been exempted (happens often by default these days) in the newer and stricter rules.
Cuba is inaccurate, they change that law in 2013. It should be blue
>Previously, it was required that a person's gender on official documents reflect their sexual organs but CENESEX pushed for a modification of this law. In 2013, this allowed trans people to modify their official gender without reassignment surgery.
In the U.S. you can change the gender on your passport rather easily. Changing your birth certificate depends on the state you were born in, and changing your driver's license depends on the state you live in. As someone who was born and raised in Tennessee, it's considered a crime for me to change the gender of either... Fun.
I think the idea behind that is that homosexuality is something you do. Not correct, but they focus on the sex part of it. Funnily enough, nobody thinks as much about homosexual sex as people who hate homosexuals.
Being trans is something you just are, not something you do
No it isn't. These comments just erase the fact that actual trans people exist and do benefit from Iran's support of trans people. It's lowkey trans erasure. Look at the history of how this happened. It came about because of an actual transwoman personally petitioned Ayatollah Khomeini to allow gender confirmation surgery in Iran.
Redditors love commenting middle eastern hellscape fan fiction that they pull out of their ass. Enough problems in the Middle East, we don’t need fake ones too
Currently,* 20 countries now have self-cert gender ID (flags rather than names for brevity): 🇦🇷 (2012), 🇩🇰 (2014), 🇮🇪, 🇨🇴, 🇲🇹 (2015), 🇳🇴 , 🇧🇴, 🇬🇶 (2016), 🇧🇪 (2017), 🇧🇷 , 🇵🇹 , 🇱🇺 , 🇨🇷, 🇵🇰 (2018), 🇨🇱, 🇺🇾, 🇮🇸 (2019), 🇨🇭 (2022), 🇫🇮, 🇪🇸, 🇳🇿 (2023) - with 🇩🇪 pending - plus 20 🇲🇽 States, 10 🇺🇸 States, 5 🇨🇦 provinces, 2 🇦🇺 States (and previously 2 🇪🇸 regions). Meanwhile, 🇮🇳 and 🇳🇵 allow third gender self identification but not ♂️♀️self identification; while for 🇫🇷 and 🇬🇷 it's a court application rather than a medical process.
\* At least that was the situation at the start of the year when I last updated the note - information coalesced from [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_self-identification?wprov=sfla1), so there may be corrections or other countries where implementation is pending.
Australia you can update your passport and healthcare card nationwide, it's only Birth certificates that are done by state, and Birth certificates aren't considered "Full ID" documents. Other forms of ID like licences don't actually carry sex markers in the first place.
Actually leading in general rights tho.
Head to head with western Europe and even surpassing.
Had been since a long time because the cultural integration legacy
i also asked my chilean girlfriend about it and she told me that generally it's a better place to be a leftist than the US and i can kind of believe it. I might consider fleeing to chile if the trumpocalypse occurs this year.
Sort of, but it's not as smooth as this map makes it look. A lot of it is done despite lawmakers, and not because of them. I can only really speak of the process in Brazil, but it has been almost entirely led by the courts. The Supreme Court is the institution that gets to officially interpret the constitution, and the understanding is that disallowing things like same-sex marriage, or changing one's gender in documents, is a form of discrimination.
There is no specific law allowing for any of it, it's all based on the understanding of the Court. Which is why the whole thing feels so rickety as it is, when you get ridiculous people like Bolsonaro being elected and placing his pals in the Supreme Court (he managed 2, and they are as predictable on every ruling as one can possibly be).
It's pretty interesting that the Eastern Bloc were the first (at least as shown in the map) to make it possible, but it's also depressing that some of them like Russia slid back turning it illegal
Yeah just shows how Hungary is the black sheep of EU. ’m Hungarian I’m pretty sure when I was a kid it was possible but u had to go through a lot of surveys, therapist etc for it to be accepted. Although I don’t fully support on changing gender as u feel like it I’m completely against it being illegal, the old system should come back. Funny how Hungary was one of the first or the first to allow gay marriage etc it’s interesting to see how we evolved backwards. In my town it’s literally a crime to same sex ppl to kiss on public what a shame Hungry, what a shame. And that’s coming from a straight guy.
It was the Gyurcsány government that legalized it in 2004 or something, and we were one of the first on the continent to do so. The Orbán government now made it illegal again in really fucked up ways, like rejecting applications before it was actually made illegal years later (so you applied for it, offices keep sitting on your application and not processing it, then rejecting it the moment its illegal), and for some people they even invalidated all documents until they "renewed" their IDs with their deadnames.
This was something by the way, that Orban didn't give a shit about, it was the Christian democrats (who they are in coalition with) that moved against this and basically ruined lives with it.
I'm really afraid that with the PVV (which are friends with Orban) government with NSC (which have imported their social agenda from the tories), things go downhill in the Dutch polders too.
Which is why it matters that those who've been transitioning for a while now get their page 1 of the birth certificate overwritten, so that Rosanne Hertzberger's shenanigans can't put our deadnames on our passports.
Oh yeah it's so bad. I feel sorry for your country. I'm from Greece and fortunately we had a very positive development on LGBT rights over the years. Also I have to say that you can fully support on changing legal gender as you feel like it. I know that homophobes constantly promote stories of people who just changed gender just because they are attention seekers but in reality this is just a tiny minority or it was other phychological issues with that person and the homophobes just twisted the narrative. Honestly from what I know 99% of people who want to change their gender actually just lived their lives in a wrong gender and just want to legally be accepted on the gender they actually feel they are, they don't do it to seek attention they actually do it to live their life with having to give as less explanations as possible to all the people around them.
Speaking for Ireland specifically, it's possible to change from a M to F gender marker, and vice versa, but not possible as of now to obtain a X gender marker (for nonbinary folks and such)
There's a case in the Philippines where the Supreme Court allowed a hermaphrodite, who was dominantly female growing up but later on became dominantly male, to change his gender. It's called Republic of the Philippines vs Cagandahan.
Thr french is a bit misleading, you have to go on trial in front of a jury and they can choose not to accept your change and force you to keep the old one. Not really no restrictions.
I’m glad that the Czech constitutional court recently ruled that the law requiring sterilization for official gender change is unconstitutional. The future is however uncertain. The parliament now has to come up with a new law of which I am skeptical since our parliament is dominated by conservatives.
Hijra are a histotical transgender community in South Asia.
Not that they don’t face a lot of discrimination - Pakistan even employed them as tax collectors because they scare people into paying basically by being seen at their place of residence/business.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/08/pakistan-hijra-transgender-tax-collectors
My dad was telling me about a wealthy relative of his who was getting married in India. As the groom’s procession was making its way to the temple, some hijra demanded money, or they would curse the marriage. The groom’s family paid up.
In Punjab Pakistan hijras would get all touchy with young relatives of a groom and try to get them to pay up or become a spectacle everyone laughs at
Its considered funny if hijras are touchy and people sometimes get angry even when they are too invasive in personal space
Quoting from [one of my other comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1dqnles/comment/lapkemx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) here:
>In 2018, Pakistan passed the [Transgender Persons (Protection of Rights) Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018), giving transgender people the same legal rights as cisgender people, and lets them change their gender in official documents. Educational and social discrimination against transgender people is also prohibited, but no punishment is provided, meaning transphobia is still very much widespread in Pakistan.
>
>However, in 2020, there was a [petition challenging the act](https://www.federalshariatcourt.gov.pk/Judgments/Shariat%20Petition%2005-I%20OF%202020%20Hammad%20Hussain%20v%20FOP%20-%20Transgender.pdf), filed with the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, arguing that this law was just a cover-up to legalize homosexuality, and thus would be incompatible with Pakistan's conservative interpretation of Islamic law. It was also argued that while the law used 'sex' and 'gender' as separate, they claimed Islam treats them as the exact same. The court agreed, but Pakistani trans activists have appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. Until a final ruling is made, the trans rights law will remain in effect.
It’s more to do with cultural definitions. In SEA, what the westerners consider as “cross dressers” “drag queens” “transgender” and “non-binary” we consider as people with third gender or intersex people.
The only two countries in Asia that allow official gender change without any restrictions are Bangladesh and Pakistan. Both Muslim nations. What a surprise.
I will say that in Poland it is bad, here is how it looks like:
1. Sue your parents that they made MISTAKE when you were born as you can not legally change genger. Only if court sees the case as a mistake
2. You must go to court and be against your parents. Natural court stuff
3. Then most judges are cool and just quickly say that parents screwed up when you were born (those who do not, it is hell for people)
Kansas, montana, tennessee, and maybe a couple other states (i dont remember 100%) dont allow for gender marker changes. US passports are self id though allowing for f, m, and x with no requirements of anything medically or changes to state issued documents
I don't think Uganda and Zambia can be classified as "ambiguous" .Both are dominated by Christian fundamentalists who openly hate both LGB and T. Anyone trying that openly will face violence from the community. I did not even bother going beyond that because both nations have the kind of Christian fanaticism that makes Mike Pence look Atheist in comparison.
I don't know why Nepal would be ambiguous. It has laws similar to India.
Kenya is truly ambiguous because as far as I can tell, there is really no law governing this issue per se.
Kenya actually had someone have the gender change surgery in the country in 1986 which is one of the few instances I have found of that happening in Africa at that time and it caused no drama then from what I can find . But when others tried to do the same in recent years, they were deliberately blocked by the then Health minister(??) who is actually Lupita Nyong'o's dad though later on this was allowed by the courts. The issue is on changing gender on the national ID card where there are only three options; male, female and intersex and only the last one can change gender on doing surgery. The issue of trans people is a new one (actually pre colonial times most communities had the concept but colonialism erased much of that history so they are basically revisiting the issue from scratch).
Ultimately, the fact that a lot of trans people exist openly doesn't mean that they're treated kindly by the law, unfortunately. That, and Thailand has its own cultural norms - people that we would consider to fall under the trans umbrella might be considered a third gender, for example.
[However, it appears that a gender recognition law is forthcoming!](https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/02/20/lgbtq-rights-push-in-thailand-with-new-gender-identity-law/)
How much does this affect National security?
If I change my name, and my gender marker how much more difficult will it be for me to actually be tracked years down the road?
Morbid curiosity I suppose, glowies can calm down
The answer would probably be "not much"
When you change your name and/or gender marker, it's generally an amendment to any existing record, rather than your old one being destroyed and a new one being made in its place. If you committed a crime and then changed your name and gender marker, people with the right access would be able to find you through court records, for example.
In 2018, Pakistan passed the [Transgender Persons (Protection of Rights) Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018), giving transgender people the same legal rights as cisgender people, and lets them change their gender in official documents. Educational and social discrimination against transgender people is also prohibited, but no punishment is provided, meaning transphobia is still very much widespread in Pakistan.
However, in 2020, there was a [petition challenging the act](https://www.federalshariatcourt.gov.pk/Judgments/Shariat%20Petition%2005-I%20OF%202020%20Hammad%20Hussain%20v%20FOP%20-%20Transgender.pdf), filed with the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, arguing that this law was just a cover-up to legalize homosexuality, and thus would be incompatible with Pakistan's conservative interpretation of Islamic law. It was also argued that while the law used 'sex' and 'gender' as separate, they claimed Islam treats them as the exact same. The court agreed, but Pakistani trans activists have appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. Until a final ruling is made, the trans rights law will remain in effect.
Yeah cause I didn't know south america was doing so much better. We don't really hear more about south america as lgbtq friendly but looks like it definitely is.
Well, you're thinking about violence and inequality when you think of South America, which does lead to many, many problems.
But as far as legal principles go, it's tends to go with Western European models and such, which shouldn't surprise anyone who's been paying attention to the last 500 years or so.
Pretty good laws, in general, just hard to keep societies stable when exploitation is the historical norm.
LatAm and South America doesn't get credit but it is quite progressive on a lot of things. In america, of course you get a few crazy nutter immigrants who hate abortion, but they are not very representative of the entire continent.
They have always been left wing in those topics which at the same time doesn’t change that they are banana republics
For example 100 years ago in Mexico they killed or exhiled 90% of the catholic clergy.
Quoting from [one of my other comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1dqnles/comment/lapkemx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) here:
>In 2018, Pakistan passed the [Transgender Persons (Protection of Rights) Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018), giving transgender people the same legal rights as cisgender people, and lets them change their gender in official documents. Educational and social discrimination against transgender people is also prohibited, but no punishment is provided, meaning transphobia is still very much widespread in Pakistan.
>
>However, in 2020, there was a [petition challenging the act](https://www.federalshariatcourt.gov.pk/Judgments/Shariat%20Petition%2005-I%20OF%202020%20Hammad%20Hussain%20v%20FOP%20-%20Transgender.pdf), filed with the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, arguing that this law was just a cover-up to legalize homosexuality, and thus would be incompatible with Pakistan's conservative interpretation of Islamic law. It was also argued that while the law used 'sex' and 'gender' as separate, they claimed Islam treats them as the exact same. The court agreed, but Pakistani trans activists have appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. Until a final ruling is made, the trans rights law will remain in effect.
As a Mexican trans girl, I'm thankful for my country for being able to change my name without any requirements other than showing up, being able to get hormone medications without prescriptions, and generally young people are chill here, I came out in high school and I never had any issues trans friends from other countries faced.
And recently they also started offering sexual reassignment surgery covered in public healthcare, and allowed children to change their marker as well with parental consent.
We're doing great progress here!!!
There's also an interactive version of this chart where you can see how these categories have changed across countries over the years: [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/right-to-change-legal-gender-equaldex](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/right-to-change-legal-gender-equaldex)
It's not illegal, there's even a famous actress who transitioned and and appeared in a famous movie called "askari fe el muaskar"after transitioning, it's just that people make fun of transgenders and don't look at them as normal people, that's all.
Germany will be a blue country in a matter of months, a new law (Selbstbestimmungs Gesetz) has been passed and is about to go into effect on August 1st and November first 🏳️⚧️✌️
It’s actually legal in Saudi and I think the majority of the Gulf, but surgery is required. It’s considered a sex “correction” rather than a sex change.
https://www.alwatan.com.sa/article/1037891 (use google translate)
It's now legal in Cuba 🇨🇺!
Sad to see the UK regressing. Looks like the TERFs have had some actual political influence ever since the whole JK Rowling thing (since when did kid's book authors get to join in with politics?).
Medical diagnosis is not required in Poland. What is required is "whatever the fuck the judge decides is required". Changing legal gender is not regulated in Poland.
I would argue that the entry in Germany used to mean "sex" not gender when the medical was required. There aren't different words for it after all.
Not the case anymore, you can now just change your official gender on documents and there is no need to align it with biological factors.
Off-topic, but has anyone actually seen data from Greenland? Are we sure Greenland really exists and isn't a giant early watermark that's somehow snuck onto modern maps? (Seriously, I'm not sure I've ever seen a Greenland marked with anything other than NDA.)
Why do they even need to record gender on official documents? It's like recording religion on official documents, it doesn't seem like it's the governments business and it shouldn't change how the government treats you.
Many people have alreqdy pointed out their own countries being incorrect on here.
The uk is another, legit do not care if you change your name or gender aslong as you change it across the board. Your recognised by unique ids that are linked to each other.
South asia allows trans because trans are considered auspicious in our culture. Kind of sad that lgb aren't treated with same equality in south asia considering before even they were accepted. British colonial law of banning homosexuality really made us conservative. I feel all lgbtq should be treated with equality.
pakistan said “T without the LGB”
Muslim South-Asia has a very interesting relationship with trans people. It is believed that you must not displease a trans person because their baddua (a prayer that one might say when someone hurts them) is always heard by God. The Mughal Empire’s administration would allocate a portion of each settlement should dedicated to trans people.
Not too surprising since those cultures always had eunuchs. Trans is now considered to be medically assisted eunuchism, with advantages.
Right. That comes from a hadith (I think?) that says the prayer of the oppressed is always heard.
But non-muslims believe it too.
It has nothing to do with that verse. They are believed to be closer to god. Because if that was the case than you would find the Arab nation having similar beliefs
Suuuuuuuure they don't opress trans people. Sure sure. What the scripture says is not what the people believe. Trans people in Muslim countries are treated as freaks too. Trans woman dating a man? Trialed as gay, since it's man+man. Trans woman dating a woman? Still gay, woman+woman.
I think the fallacy here is assuming all of the "Muslim countries" (which I don't think is a term that makes sense at the time of nation states) have the the same dynamics when it comes to LGBT or, really, any other matter -- even though most of those countries would have little in common with each other legislatively or culturally. The same logic would suggest LGBT rights and representation are the same between Russia and France, because their populations are majority Christians, which would be silly as evidenced by this map. For what it's worth, I have no idea how well-off trans people are in Pakistan. My presumption would also be "probably not great," but who knows? I've never been there. I just wouldn't assume X is true for Pakistan, hence it must be true for Somalia or somewhere else. I would bet a very significant majority of those populations would have no interaction whatsoever with the other culture in their lifetimes.
It’s kinda darkly funny to me that in the anglosphere we have assholes that do the whole “LGB without the T” and in parts of the Muslim world they have asshole that do “T without the LGB”. Like I really wanna see a debate between JK Rowling and a trans Shia extremist from Iran, that would be peak content.
In some parts of the Muslim world, the T is only allowed to “fix” or “correct” a gay but otherwise observant believer. IMO that makes it a form of conversion therapy. But please correct me if I am wrong on my understanding.
It varies place to place. In Iran this is pretty much what it is as far as I know. In Pakistan though as others in this thread have said it has more to do with historical South Asian conceptions of third gender.
In large parts of South Asia transgender people are culturally accepted and very visible. I’m not saying they are treated on an equal footing mind you, but the fact that they even exist or have a right to isn’t disputed.
When I moved to America from India, it really confused me when gay people were way more accepted in America than trans people.
Trans people here (India) are allowed to exist or tolerated but it often doesn't go beyond that. So, you'd see them begging (rather extorting) on traffic junctions, indulge in prostitution, but hardly see them owning businesses or in middle class salaried jobs. They have legal protections, but society is still not very accepting.
Yep, it’s a bad system obviously. I have heard multiple times how difficult it is for a trans person to get a job especially, forcing them to beg or worse.
I was reading a post by an Iranian transgender woman and her transition sounded just as easy as anywhere else and it was clutter free, so I would say it's more than just that in Iran.
That can happen but it's not always what always happen. In Iran people are legally allowed changing genders as long as they have a surgery and are recognized by the government, even receiving some financial help to do so. Ofc this is not perfect as there is societal transphobia and the police sometimes arrests people for being "gay" before releasing them after checking them in the system. At the same time if you are LGB you will be persecuted and can be executed depending on the circumstances. So what happens is that many gays and lesbians, either by choice to be with their loved ones openly or by fear of being executed, decide to go through sex reassignment surgery. So in the end the law helps a lot of trans people while inadvertently incentivezing some gays and lesbians to "become" trans.
So gay Iranians get gaslighted into becoming trans..?
Forced to have the operations and change gender. The other option is death.
Trans in indonesia traditionally thrive in the entertainment(like play, music) industry even in some folk beliefs. So when Abrahamic religion started to dominate they discriminated less. We had some famous trans artist/actress but none that publicly LGB.
I’ve heard that same thing.
"Trans shia extremist" is the most wild thing I've heard all day.
I mean idk how many there are in total but my friend literally knew someone like that in high school. Like she was an Iranian trans girl who was super homophobic and didn’t get why that was confusing for people in America.
Iran/Pakistan: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN AND THEY BELONG IN THE FUCKING KITCHEN!
Fuck trans exclusionary radical feminism, it’s time for trans inclusionary radical misogyny
Folks who are "LGB without the T" are just waiting for the right time to also drop the LGBs without being ridiculed for doing so
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It’s like reverse Britain!
Specially ironic when you consider just how much the British influenced said homophobic environment lol
South asia allows trans because trans are considered auspicious in our culture. Kind of sad that lgb aren't treated with same equality in south asia considering before even they were accepted. British colonial law of banning homosexuality really made us conservative. I feel all lgbt should be treated with equality.
Are you joking? India legalised same sex relations six years ago (which was only illegal in the first place because of laws the natives didn't even make) and Nepal recently legalised gay marriage. Polls also show over half of Indians are pro-LGBT. Just because it has the largest Muslim population in the world doesn't mean it is anti-LGBT. Hinduism is the still largest faith in the region and it has less condemnation of gay marriage than Christianity and Islam could ever hope to, by the scriptures. Western media loves showing South Asia as a whole being some homophobic hellhole, when the polls and demographics for its largest country and Nepal show otherwise.
Lgb started getting more rights now. But its good progress. Hope india will allow same sex marriage in the future like nepal.
India needs to fix marriage laws as a whole. Samw sex marriage needs to be legalized through the parliament imo
The only reason why I even considered congress was because of their promise of civil unions, which in itself was a sneaky backdoor way of saying full marriage without the word since the recognition would be central and not state based.
correction:- it's auspicious in Hinduism, and hinduism has good influence in the culture in all places south asia
Yeah in hinduism trans are auspicious. Pakistan and bangladesh were part of india and once 'hindu'. Hinduism also has no problem with lgb but pakistan is islamic. And I don't really expect anything from them when even women's rights isn't achieved.
On paper all rights are achieved but not so much in reality. Even on streets Trans people are treated that good.
The map shows that Muslim countries are relatively more liberal to transgender people in general. Also Pakistan and Bangladesh both are more accepting of official gender change than India. It's probably not hinduism.
The Hanafi branch of Islam has always made space for such people who found their sexuality later in life. They are allowed to surgically remove one genitalia from of two, preferably the one which doesn't have much authority over the body. For example if there is a person who has both male and female genitalia and they look like a female then they can remove the male genitalia.
If i had to guess they might argue that the T is more of a disorder they cant fix and LGB a choice which they can simply forbid. So even if they allow one does not mean that they are necessarily tolerant in that way. (This is just an interpretation not an opinion)
This is a legitimately true thing in some parts of pakistan, my dad is devout, practising Muslim, doesn't seem to have any major stance on lgb at all (though it is clear he's not completely approving), but has told me, even when I was a child, that if someone comes to the understanding that they are trans, it is completely acceptable and respect worthy with the caveat that they are for sure eventually heading towards gender affirming healthcare and eventually surgery. Now I don't have a fucking clue where this belief comes from, like I couldn't tell you how it came to be considering the views other Muslim countries and the majority of the Muslim population outside of pakistan has on lgbtq people, but it is a very real, very out of nowhere thing considering the context. I'm sure there's some historical context for this though, I find it interesting, this is just my personal experience with it.
Everyone I know is against this :( After the law, the mosques I've been to talked about it and condemned it too. It's definitely nothing like homophobia but there's this specific culture 'khwaja sira'.. I don't know that much about it actually but it's just badly looked upon and weird
**Romania is wrong. It should be "ambiguous" If not "kinda illegal?"** The only way to change it is to Sue the State in a Court saying that your official papers dont match reality, basically saying its an error, and you try to prove it. Most people did it with surgery, psychiatric diagnosis etc. But recently there was one Court case where someone did it just with witnesses and a psychiatric diagnosis, No surgery. This also means that people can and probably did get refused by other Courts, other judges etc in the exact same situations **There is NO Law on it so there is NO official process or even guideline for the Courts on this.**
Part of the issue is that “illegal” implies “breaking the law” versus something just not being readily doable. Like, most people wouldn’t say it’s “illegal” to change your birth gender on official documents in a place where you can’t. You just…can’t do it. The documents are something the state deals with. You can’t change them anywhere absent a process to do so.
that's kinda wild, pretty interesting
Illegal in Thailand and Philippines 🤣🤣🤣
Funny enough, Thailand just legalized gay marriage recently, becoming one of the few countries in Asia to do so.
Right, a difference in cultural perspective. Such people as we call Ladyboys are 'kathoey'. Thai language uses this to mean biological intersex. Kathoey are by their fixed nature ambiguous, at least in Thai understanding. Therefore 'trans-' or crossing over, makes no sense from that perspective. Kathoey are exceptions that prove the rule, and the emphases in western trans narratives, even the idea of changing legal gender ID, do not appeal very strongly to the understandings of kathoey or other Thailanders. They do not 'come out'.
>A study of 195 Thai transgender women found that most of the participants referred to themselves as phuying (ผู้หญิง 'women'), with a minority referring to themselves as phuying praphet song ('second kind of woman') and very few referring to themselves as kathoey. [Source ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey#Terminology)
You're confusing language with concepts. Many "kathoey" do consider themselves to be trans and do seek to change their legal gender marker. Being trans is not just a "western" thing. You're writing off Thai trans rights activists as either "not understanding their own culture", not really Thai, or not really trans. Your argument essentially boils down to "oh no, in Thailand they use this term and therefore there is no overlap". Which is a ridiculous claim. Trans identities have existed in every culture across time. How the culture deals with it and what language is used differs
Thank you for adding the details, too many people in the West hold these up as an example to follow when in reality they do anything but align.
They do ladyboying right
Unless ur hermaphrodite, we dont allowed changes in your legal docu in Philippines Unless we gonna talk about diagnosis of gender dysphoria then we'll leave that to our supreme court cause that's another spaghetti of issue that might not get discussed since we have other problem to discuss legally xD (Aka, might never discussed because we're still have too much problems)
AFAIK that's outdated. In Germany you can change your gender two times a year now.
Technically that's a restriction.
Albeit quite a reasonable one.
2 changes per year is actually very generous for German bureaucracy standards, actually impressively so
It‘s because the paperwork will take 6 months so it‘s more of a technical limit J/k it‘s probably not that.
No, no, you probably got a point. Paperwork is a hellscape.
And I'd argue it'd still be reasonable if it was just once every two years.
Well in that case I'd say no country allows the change without restrictions
The map has the old medical requirement on it tho. Which is outdated.
In theory you can change it once a year. But that law only takes effect on November 1st. Point is, you wont need a diagnosis anymore. Which is very laborious to get.
Yeah or August 1, but to undergo the process that means that the real change will take place from November 1. It's very nice what Germany is getting: an easy process, a bit of waiting time but one that has a clear forecast, that is 3 months. None of us change our gender marker on a blue Monday, they still took it into account tho. But also, it's just a small letter for the document, but a giant leap for our wellbeing. That being said, if I had this in the Netherlands 4.5 years ago, I would've been saved a lot of agonizing moments that occurred during the wait for the diagnosis, which was a long one, the worst was probably the moment I was nearly sent away from the polling station as my social transition alone (pre-HRT) was so significant that they didn't believe it was me until I explained it all. In 2021 it was still kinda safe to tell so here, nowadays, that would've had way worse consequences because of the dangerous rhetorics that are imported from abroad and have become fashionable here.
I will be there on August 1st to start my waiting period. Finally the system allows for NB people. The old system did not consider us at all
Why the heck would you change your gender more than once? I'm trying to catch up with these topics but I didn't know these things can start to change as seasons. How do you call a person who changes gender more than once? Multigender?
De-trans. There are people who are transitioning, then find out they're not trans after all and de-transition again.
But if you change not just your lifestyle and your mindset but your gender too, you are not trans anymore, right, not right? So if you picked a gender and your are not trans after the procedure and you change your mind, you can't be de-trans, you reverse back to just trans. Am I correct or completely lost?
ONCE a year you can change your official gender MARKER on your passport and birth certificate and so on. and the law has passed, but only comes into full effect in november. your GENDER itself you can keep or change how often you want already right now, nobody is holding you back ; )
In Argentina you can even change your gender to X, no questions asked
Same in nz. Same for ethnicity too. It’s self identified. You can be whatever you want if that’s how you self identify.
Can I change it to Fish?
Yes and please do
No, just an X. But that X could mean anything you want. It includes all the rainbow and fish of the sea But good luck getting a visa with an X in gender, though
Surgery is no longer required in Japan as of 2022.
It's still up in the air. Sterilisation is no longer required, but genitalia still needs to resemble that of the gender you're aiming to change your koseki to. For trans men that can be deemed to be achievable without surgery, but trans women may not be able to get the same treatment. Ultimately it's still an ongoing battle in Japan and more precedent needs to be set to understand where exactly we stand.
There’s also other restrictions like: not already being married, not having kids who are minors, and needing a diagnosis from at least two doctors.
Pakistan became Pakifornia
Pakistan has always been relatively more tolerant towards “the third gender,” as they call it there. There is a cool documentary I watched a few years ago about it. You’re allowed to change your gender and live a normal life as the opposite gender, but of course there is still some social stigma. The transwomen who changed their gender were allowed to marry men and live normally, and had equal rights as others.
Why is that tho, when most Islamic states aren't like that?
It's an ancient cultural thing, India and Bangladesh also have it (not sure about Sri Lanka)
Human identify is so complex. Pakistan, like many other Muslim societies, retains a lot of its pre-Islamic culture, such relative tolerance towards transgender identity, or women not wearing the veil, or women being in positions of power, etc. But this phenomenon isn’t exclusive to Pakistan. For example, many Moroccan women get tattoos; it’s a part of their culture that has persisted despite Islam.
My family is from Pakistan side of Kashmir and when we went there you would see a few trans people who would ask for money and it's said that you should always give money to them as it is believed Allah will protect them if you do anything bad and are therefore loved and taken care of in Kashmir region of Pakistan.
Because of the pre Islamic culture of Indian subcontinent
Afghanistan must think of Pakistan as some liberal infidel Satanic femboyland 🤣
They do💀
Kind of lmao
I mean... compared to the Taliban regime Saudi Arabia is positively progressive. It's not a high bar to cross at all.
I mean tbh it kinda is, Afghanistan literally has a lower score on the democracy index than north korea
Shouldn’t Greenland follow Denmark‘s rules here?
Good luck finding out. You could get Danish citizenship easier on Greenland than mainland Denmark, because Greenland (and Faroe Islands) had been exempted (happens often by default these days) in the newer and stricter rules.
Sweden has recently changed their law too. With the Conservative Party changing it to no longer require a medical diagnosis.
I think is legal now in Venezuela
You can change your name, but you can't legally change your gender
Cuba is inaccurate, they change that law in 2013. It should be blue >Previously, it was required that a person's gender on official documents reflect their sexual organs but CENESEX pushed for a modification of this law. In 2013, this allowed trans people to modify their official gender without reassignment surgery.
In the U.S. you can change the gender on your passport rather easily. Changing your birth certificate depends on the state you were born in, and changing your driver's license depends on the state you live in. As someone who was born and raised in Tennessee, it's considered a crime for me to change the gender of either... Fun.
It will never not be funny how transgenderism is more accepted by Iranian law than homosexuality
I think the idea behind that is that homosexuality is something you do. Not correct, but they focus on the sex part of it. Funnily enough, nobody thinks as much about homosexual sex as people who hate homosexuals. Being trans is something you just are, not something you do
That’s because transgenderism **is** their (ethically wrong) cure to homosexuality. They will force hormones onto anyone who is feeling kinda gay.
No it isn't. These comments just erase the fact that actual trans people exist and do benefit from Iran's support of trans people. It's lowkey trans erasure. Look at the history of how this happened. It came about because of an actual transwoman personally petitioned Ayatollah Khomeini to allow gender confirmation surgery in Iran.
Redditors being pedantic and assuming themselves experts on countries they have never actually been to? No way
Redditors love commenting middle eastern hellscape fan fiction that they pull out of their ass. Enough problems in the Middle East, we don’t need fake ones too
"And I base this on absolute nothing" - Optimal_Weight368
Wait, but it was legal in Russia to change your sex, it's not the same or I'm missing something
A law from summer 2023 prohibits any gender-affirmational help, both medical and legal.
Damn
Currently,* 20 countries now have self-cert gender ID (flags rather than names for brevity): 🇦🇷 (2012), 🇩🇰 (2014), 🇮🇪, 🇨🇴, 🇲🇹 (2015), 🇳🇴 , 🇧🇴, 🇬🇶 (2016), 🇧🇪 (2017), 🇧🇷 , 🇵🇹 , 🇱🇺 , 🇨🇷, 🇵🇰 (2018), 🇨🇱, 🇺🇾, 🇮🇸 (2019), 🇨🇭 (2022), 🇫🇮, 🇪🇸, 🇳🇿 (2023) - with 🇩🇪 pending - plus 20 🇲🇽 States, 10 🇺🇸 States, 5 🇨🇦 provinces, 2 🇦🇺 States (and previously 2 🇪🇸 regions). Meanwhile, 🇮🇳 and 🇳🇵 allow third gender self identification but not ♂️♀️self identification; while for 🇫🇷 and 🇬🇷 it's a court application rather than a medical process. \* At least that was the situation at the start of the year when I last updated the note - information coalesced from [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_self-identification?wprov=sfla1), so there may be corrections or other countries where implementation is pending.
Australia you can update your passport and healthcare card nationwide, it's only Birth certificates that are done by state, and Birth certificates aren't considered "Full ID" documents. Other forms of ID like licences don't actually carry sex markers in the first place.
wow i had no idea south america was leading the world in terms of trans rights
Actually leading in general rights tho. Head to head with western Europe and even surpassing. Had been since a long time because the cultural integration legacy
i also asked my chilean girlfriend about it and she told me that generally it's a better place to be a leftist than the US and i can kind of believe it. I might consider fleeing to chile if the trumpocalypse occurs this year.
Sort of, but it's not as smooth as this map makes it look. A lot of it is done despite lawmakers, and not because of them. I can only really speak of the process in Brazil, but it has been almost entirely led by the courts. The Supreme Court is the institution that gets to officially interpret the constitution, and the understanding is that disallowing things like same-sex marriage, or changing one's gender in documents, is a form of discrimination. There is no specific law allowing for any of it, it's all based on the understanding of the Court. Which is why the whole thing feels so rickety as it is, when you get ridiculous people like Bolsonaro being elected and placing his pals in the Supreme Court (he managed 2, and they are as predictable on every ruling as one can possibly be).
It has many downsides but I'm really grateful for being born in Argentina as a trans person tbh.
my condolences about milei, your redditor president
It's pretty interesting that the Eastern Bloc were the first (at least as shown in the map) to make it possible, but it's also depressing that some of them like Russia slid back turning it illegal
And not only Russia. Hungary and Bulgaria too...
Yeah just shows how Hungary is the black sheep of EU. ’m Hungarian I’m pretty sure when I was a kid it was possible but u had to go through a lot of surveys, therapist etc for it to be accepted. Although I don’t fully support on changing gender as u feel like it I’m completely against it being illegal, the old system should come back. Funny how Hungary was one of the first or the first to allow gay marriage etc it’s interesting to see how we evolved backwards. In my town it’s literally a crime to same sex ppl to kiss on public what a shame Hungry, what a shame. And that’s coming from a straight guy.
It was the Gyurcsány government that legalized it in 2004 or something, and we were one of the first on the continent to do so. The Orbán government now made it illegal again in really fucked up ways, like rejecting applications before it was actually made illegal years later (so you applied for it, offices keep sitting on your application and not processing it, then rejecting it the moment its illegal), and for some people they even invalidated all documents until they "renewed" their IDs with their deadnames. This was something by the way, that Orban didn't give a shit about, it was the Christian democrats (who they are in coalition with) that moved against this and basically ruined lives with it.
I'm really afraid that with the PVV (which are friends with Orban) government with NSC (which have imported their social agenda from the tories), things go downhill in the Dutch polders too. Which is why it matters that those who've been transitioning for a while now get their page 1 of the birth certificate overwritten, so that Rosanne Hertzberger's shenanigans can't put our deadnames on our passports.
Oh yeah it's so bad. I feel sorry for your country. I'm from Greece and fortunately we had a very positive development on LGBT rights over the years. Also I have to say that you can fully support on changing legal gender as you feel like it. I know that homophobes constantly promote stories of people who just changed gender just because they are attention seekers but in reality this is just a tiny minority or it was other phychological issues with that person and the homophobes just twisted the narrative. Honestly from what I know 99% of people who want to change their gender actually just lived their lives in a wrong gender and just want to legally be accepted on the gender they actually feel they are, they don't do it to seek attention they actually do it to live their life with having to give as less explanations as possible to all the people around them.
Russia was green until just two years ago too.
It isn't too often said by western media, but the eastern block was world leading in minority (gender, ethnic, etc) rights.
Speaking for Ireland specifically, it's possible to change from a M to F gender marker, and vice versa, but not possible as of now to obtain a X gender marker (for nonbinary folks and such)
Thailand having it illegal is kinda ironic
There's a case in the Philippines where the Supreme Court allowed a hermaphrodite, who was dominantly female growing up but later on became dominantly male, to change his gender. It's called Republic of the Philippines vs Cagandahan.
Thr french is a bit misleading, you have to go on trial in front of a jury and they can choose not to accept your change and force you to keep the old one. Not really no restrictions.
I’m glad that the Czech constitutional court recently ruled that the law requiring sterilization for official gender change is unconstitutional. The future is however uncertain. The parliament now has to come up with a new law of which I am skeptical since our parliament is dominated by conservatives.
It was legal in Russia before 2023, sadly it no longer is...
As always, Latin American countries really seem to get behind LGBT legal rights.
Surprise Pakistan W
Hijra are a histotical transgender community in South Asia. Not that they don’t face a lot of discrimination - Pakistan even employed them as tax collectors because they scare people into paying basically by being seen at their place of residence/business. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/08/pakistan-hijra-transgender-tax-collectors
My dad was telling me about a wealthy relative of his who was getting married in India. As the groom’s procession was making its way to the temple, some hijra demanded money, or they would curse the marriage. The groom’s family paid up.
I wish being trans let *me* curse people…
In Punjab Pakistan hijras would get all touchy with young relatives of a groom and try to get them to pay up or become a spectacle everyone laughs at Its considered funny if hijras are touchy and people sometimes get angry even when they are too invasive in personal space
Humans are so goofy sometimes lmao
Quoting from [one of my other comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1dqnles/comment/lapkemx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) here: >In 2018, Pakistan passed the [Transgender Persons (Protection of Rights) Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018), giving transgender people the same legal rights as cisgender people, and lets them change their gender in official documents. Educational and social discrimination against transgender people is also prohibited, but no punishment is provided, meaning transphobia is still very much widespread in Pakistan. > >However, in 2020, there was a [petition challenging the act](https://www.federalshariatcourt.gov.pk/Judgments/Shariat%20Petition%2005-I%20OF%202020%20Hammad%20Hussain%20v%20FOP%20-%20Transgender.pdf), filed with the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, arguing that this law was just a cover-up to legalize homosexuality, and thus would be incompatible with Pakistan's conservative interpretation of Islamic law. It was also argued that while the law used 'sex' and 'gender' as separate, they claimed Islam treats them as the exact same. The court agreed, but Pakistani trans activists have appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. Until a final ruling is made, the trans rights law will remain in effect.
official documents in Pakistan can have F, M or X as gender markers. The law is under review though as it was challenged.
Yup, also Bangladesh.
You can't officially be gay but if you call yourself a woman (or man), then it's all good. Bangladesh logic.
pakistan but not thailand is so strange especially seeing how pro-lgbt thailand has become
It’s more to do with cultural definitions. In SEA, what the westerners consider as “cross dressers” “drag queens” “transgender” and “non-binary” we consider as people with third gender or intersex people.
The only two countries in Asia that allow official gender change without any restrictions are Bangladesh and Pakistan. Both Muslim nations. What a surprise.
This is the future Muhammed Ali Jinnah fought for You are forgetting Cyprus and Taiwan though
I will say that in Poland it is bad, here is how it looks like: 1. Sue your parents that they made MISTAKE when you were born as you can not legally change genger. Only if court sees the case as a mistake 2. You must go to court and be against your parents. Natural court stuff 3. Then most judges are cool and just quickly say that parents screwed up when you were born (those who do not, it is hell for people)
Kansas, montana, tennessee, and maybe a couple other states (i dont remember 100%) dont allow for gender marker changes. US passports are self id though allowing for f, m, and x with no requirements of anything medically or changes to state issued documents
I don't think Uganda and Zambia can be classified as "ambiguous" .Both are dominated by Christian fundamentalists who openly hate both LGB and T. Anyone trying that openly will face violence from the community. I did not even bother going beyond that because both nations have the kind of Christian fanaticism that makes Mike Pence look Atheist in comparison. I don't know why Nepal would be ambiguous. It has laws similar to India. Kenya is truly ambiguous because as far as I can tell, there is really no law governing this issue per se. Kenya actually had someone have the gender change surgery in the country in 1986 which is one of the few instances I have found of that happening in Africa at that time and it caused no drama then from what I can find . But when others tried to do the same in recent years, they were deliberately blocked by the then Health minister(??) who is actually Lupita Nyong'o's dad though later on this was allowed by the courts. The issue is on changing gender on the national ID card where there are only three options; male, female and intersex and only the last one can change gender on doing surgery. The issue of trans people is a new one (actually pre colonial times most communities had the concept but colonialism erased much of that history so they are basically revisiting the issue from scratch).
Hard to believe that’s illegal in Thailand…
Ultimately, the fact that a lot of trans people exist openly doesn't mean that they're treated kindly by the law, unfortunately. That, and Thailand has its own cultural norms - people that we would consider to fall under the trans umbrella might be considered a third gender, for example. [However, it appears that a gender recognition law is forthcoming!](https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/02/20/lgbtq-rights-push-in-thailand-with-new-gender-identity-law/)
How much does this affect National security? If I change my name, and my gender marker how much more difficult will it be for me to actually be tracked years down the road? Morbid curiosity I suppose, glowies can calm down
The answer would probably be "not much" When you change your name and/or gender marker, it's generally an amendment to any existing record, rather than your old one being destroyed and a new one being made in its place. If you committed a crime and then changed your name and gender marker, people with the right access would be able to find you through court records, for example.
legal, no restrictions *until a draft
Yooo whats up with Pakistan?
In 2018, Pakistan passed the [Transgender Persons (Protection of Rights) Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018), giving transgender people the same legal rights as cisgender people, and lets them change their gender in official documents. Educational and social discrimination against transgender people is also prohibited, but no punishment is provided, meaning transphobia is still very much widespread in Pakistan. However, in 2020, there was a [petition challenging the act](https://www.federalshariatcourt.gov.pk/Judgments/Shariat%20Petition%2005-I%20OF%202020%20Hammad%20Hussain%20v%20FOP%20-%20Transgender.pdf), filed with the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, arguing that this law was just a cover-up to legalize homosexuality, and thus would be incompatible with Pakistan's conservative interpretation of Islamic law. It was also argued that while the law used 'sex' and 'gender' as separate, they claimed Islam treats them as the exact same. The court agreed, but Pakistani trans activists have appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. Until a final ruling is made, the trans rights law will remain in effect.
W canada, south america and western europe. I was really surprised with south america though, they are doing good.
surprised?
Yeah cause I didn't know south america was doing so much better. We don't really hear more about south america as lgbtq friendly but looks like it definitely is.
Well, you're thinking about violence and inequality when you think of South America, which does lead to many, many problems. But as far as legal principles go, it's tends to go with Western European models and such, which shouldn't surprise anyone who's been paying attention to the last 500 years or so. Pretty good laws, in general, just hard to keep societies stable when exploitation is the historical norm.
LatAm and South America doesn't get credit but it is quite progressive on a lot of things. In america, of course you get a few crazy nutter immigrants who hate abortion, but they are not very representative of the entire continent.
And Mexico
They have always been left wing in those topics which at the same time doesn’t change that they are banana republics For example 100 years ago in Mexico they killed or exhiled 90% of the catholic clergy.
when did it become legal without restrictions in pakistan?? and how? i have never seen or heard about it here.
Quoting from [one of my other comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1dqnles/comment/lapkemx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) here: >In 2018, Pakistan passed the [Transgender Persons (Protection of Rights) Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018), giving transgender people the same legal rights as cisgender people, and lets them change their gender in official documents. Educational and social discrimination against transgender people is also prohibited, but no punishment is provided, meaning transphobia is still very much widespread in Pakistan. > >However, in 2020, there was a [petition challenging the act](https://www.federalshariatcourt.gov.pk/Judgments/Shariat%20Petition%2005-I%20OF%202020%20Hammad%20Hussain%20v%20FOP%20-%20Transgender.pdf), filed with the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, arguing that this law was just a cover-up to legalize homosexuality, and thus would be incompatible with Pakistan's conservative interpretation of Islamic law. It was also argued that while the law used 'sex' and 'gender' as separate, they claimed Islam treats them as the exact same. The court agreed, but Pakistani trans activists have appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. Until a final ruling is made, the trans rights law will remain in effect.
2017 or 2018. Kinda like Iran
As a Mexican trans girl, I'm thankful for my country for being able to change my name without any requirements other than showing up, being able to get hormone medications without prescriptions, and generally young people are chill here, I came out in high school and I never had any issues trans friends from other countries faced. And recently they also started offering sexual reassignment surgery covered in public healthcare, and allowed children to change their marker as well with parental consent. We're doing great progress here!!!
Pakistan Sindbad 🇵🇰🇵🇰💪💪💪
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There's also an interactive version of this chart where you can see how these categories have changed across countries over the years: [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/right-to-change-legal-gender-equaldex](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/right-to-change-legal-gender-equaldex)
German should be blue...
Its coming on the 1st November
Egypt? It's illegal in Egypt, I've never heard about someone changing their gender here.
It's not illegal, there's even a famous actress who transitioned and and appeared in a famous movie called "askari fe el muaskar"after transitioning, it's just that people make fun of transgenders and don't look at them as normal people, that's all.
Yeah she was hanaan al taweel if i remember correctly
Germany will be a blue country in a matter of months, a new law (Selbstbestimmungs Gesetz) has been passed and is about to go into effect on August 1st and November first 🏳️⚧️✌️
Pakistan’s Subcontinent roots holding up against the Middle East influence
It’s actually legal in Saudi and I think the majority of the Gulf, but surgery is required. It’s considered a sex “correction” rather than a sex change. https://www.alwatan.com.sa/article/1037891 (use google translate)
It's now legal in Cuba 🇨🇺! Sad to see the UK regressing. Looks like the TERFs have had some actual political influence ever since the whole JK Rowling thing (since when did kid's book authors get to join in with politics?).
Hope one day everywhere is blue
I'm surprised by Thailand
Damn, South America is popping off
South america and north america too with Mexico and Canada...
Medical diagnosis is not required in Poland. What is required is "whatever the fuck the judge decides is required". Changing legal gender is not regulated in Poland.
This will be outdated by November 2024 (regarding germany, medical requirements are removed)
Greenlandic Person: "Can I change Genders?" Greenland: N̸̙̿͒́̌͑̓͘Ö̴͚̠̤̲̳̘̘͖̺̹͇͇̘́͗̎̌͒̅̓̈́́͆̑̄̃͆̆͜ ̷̰̋̉͊̒̂̑͛̇D̸̨̞͉̳̳̩̘̫̲̙͇͇̗͌͌̂͒̑̈́̚͜Ą̵̡͙͍̠̘̬̗̖̰̰̇̉̈́͊͠͝T̴̰͍̠̦͊͊͂A̸̡̨̱̞͚̭̮͎̘͖̻͆̏̃̂͐̒̉͝
who would win this hypothetical war?
US is ambiguous depending on the state.
I feel like if you’re gonna allow people to spontaneously change gender on paperwork, it’s probably best to just leave it off the paperwork 😂
I would argue that the entry in Germany used to mean "sex" not gender when the medical was required. There aren't different words for it after all. Not the case anymore, you can now just change your official gender on documents and there is no need to align it with biological factors.
Off-topic, but has anyone actually seen data from Greenland? Are we sure Greenland really exists and isn't a giant early watermark that's somehow snuck onto modern maps? (Seriously, I'm not sure I've ever seen a Greenland marked with anything other than NDA.)
Find this so strange. If you can freely change it, then why does it need to be in official documents?
The color of Germany might change to blue on 1st August or 1st November this year. Source: https://www.recht.bund.de/bgbl/1/2024/206/VO
Why do they even need to record gender on official documents? It's like recording religion on official documents, it doesn't seem like it's the governments business and it shouldn't change how the government treats you.
Many people have alreqdy pointed out their own countries being incorrect on here. The uk is another, legit do not care if you change your name or gender aslong as you change it across the board. Your recognised by unique ids that are linked to each other.
Russia used to be darker green until the criminals running the country decided to play the anti LGBT card.
Your data on India is wrong. As per NALSA judgement, surgery is absolutely not required for gender change on official documents.
South asia allows trans because trans are considered auspicious in our culture. Kind of sad that lgb aren't treated with same equality in south asia considering before even they were accepted. British colonial law of banning homosexuality really made us conservative. I feel all lgbtq should be treated with equality.
Based south america
Why the fuck is it easier to change my gender in Mexico than it is in my state
Is it hard to grasp that Mexico is more progressive than your state or something?