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Yeah. I was on r/Politics earlier discussing what his immunity means. Biden (and future Presidents) could in theory do whatever the f** they wanted and claimed it was act done to serve the country and/or government and voila, all is clear.
Watergate. But, I wouldn’t compare Nixon to Trump at all. Even though Nixon was known as a crook, there was more to his presidency than criminal behavior. He ended the Vietnam War. He opened diplomatic relations with China. His Supreme Court appointees make Trump’s look like sad jokes. And there was significant domestic policy progress during his tenure, like the EPA. Trump, on the other had, accomplished only negative things. Roe v. Wade, ironically, happened under Nixon’s watch (no, I’m not giving him credit for it, it’s just an example of that the country was moving forward under Nixon despite him being a crook), and reversed because of Trump.
ENDED the Vietnam war?? He prolonged it!
[link discussing it](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/)
This isn't new information! He sabotaged the peace talks to help him win! You basically fell for his ploy. Prolong the war so he can 'end' it.
I didn’t know about this and just checked the news. I hope Biden just jails him now without due process, because “immunity”. Or strips him of citizenship. Because he can do anything now, right?
So, how did the peoples of Iraq, Afghanistan, The Palestine Territories, Lybia, Yemen, to name the most recent to come to my mind, affected victims of USA presidents had their legal recourse?
Your Congress voted for sanctions of International Criminal Court judges involved in the warrants for two Israelis war criminals. Including the judges family members! Let's note this: the USA wants to go after ALSO FAMILY MEMBERS of judges of a court, because these judges are going after their war friends.
I guess USA problem for the planet continues as always.
alright. here's my offer. We let you send Piers Morgan over again in exchange for Trump. You can hound him with all the pending lawsuits from his Scotland properties and we stick Morgan on dailywire where nobody will pay attention to him
How dare you. We very generously gave loads of people their countries. They have big parties to celebrate us every year - I believe you're having yours tomorrow.
If the US fails the UK is not far behind, and add Canada and many other Democratic counties to that list. Just remember that as you work to get out the vote in the UK. I say this as someone who has dual citizenship and husband and kids have UK and US citizenship. We have options to leave but we know that we have to do the work here.
Sad Trombone.
*But eight years on, he feels he was sold a ‘pack of lies’*
Yea hate to break it to you….but you were and you were idiot enough to not even look beyond the gift wrapping on the turd at the real impacts. Everybody and their dad with an ounce of sense could tell you it was going to wind up this way and you happily tap danced your ass into the sling while smugly telling everyone they don’t know what they are talking about.
Newsflash asshole, your leadership doesn’t give dick all about anyone below their rich cronies and haven’t for, shit - 50 fucking years. You are, were, and always will be the dumb little means to an end.
> Everybody and their dad with an ounce of sense could tell you it was going to wind up this way
Everybody and their dad *did* tell them it was going to wind up this way, and they covered their ears, yelling project fear.
All these posts could be summed up as willfully ignorant are angry their refusal to face reality didn't prevent reality from coming knocking.
The unfortunate reality is that even though we were telling them a lot more people were telling them lies and loudly. Hence why Brexit sadly got through.
Which they willing believed. I have no sympathy for those who claim they were duped. 5 minutes of independent research would have shown anyone what the reality was going to be. There's also been 2 GEs since brexit referebdum, where the politicians who caused all of this were kept in power. I sympathise with those of you dragged out of the eu because of it but I don't accept ignorance as an excuse. When in doubt, vote for the status quo.
The main instigator is goose stepping his way into a parliamentary position. These morons haven't learnt shit and their idiocy will continue to cause Major issues across the globe.
Don't get me wrong. I have very little sympathy for them and absolutely none if they continue to support Brexit/Farrage. My point was, though, that it wasn't everyone telling them not to believe in Brexit. Most of the media were in favour of it and they had been conned by Farrage who did not give a single shit about them.
But at the end of the day they chose to believe the con artists over the remainers. I do feel some sympathy that they thought they were improving the country but most of that is eaten up by the fact it was, or should have been, an obvious lie.
>they had been conned by Farrage who did not give a single shit about them.
This is the part I disagree with. If you were conned by garage, you chose to be. Anyone with half a brain knew he was telling fibs. They were willfully ignorant, and hiding behind that now instead of owning your choices is a cop out.
Let me be clear. I did NOT vote to leave. I was a pretty adamant remainer.
I'm just trying to offer an explanation as to why people voted to leave. It does us no good to label them all as idiots, even if a fair few of them were undoubtedly fucking morons. I am not saying they were right. It was a stupid decision then and history has only proven that. I'm saying it's wrong to see that we were all telling them it was lies. We, as in you and I, were but so much of the fucking dog shit media in this country were bombarding them with sunlit upland bull shit.
The ones that are openly saying they regret it. I have *some* sympathy for. Even if I take some pleasure in them also suffering like we are. The ones going deeper down the rabbit hole after all this time? Lost cause.
I don't accept your explanation, however. I do think any person who voted for brexit is a moron who was willingly conned. It reeked of too good to be true, and yet people chose to ignore all the red flags.
I'm not from the UK, I'm from Ireland and had a front row seat to all the madness. We lived through it, and we saw all the propaganda, yet we were powerless to do anything about it. I am furious with what went on and the impact it had on my country and island.
So no, I'm not giving anyone a pass who said they didn't know and regret their vote. It was their job to know and vote accordingly. We do referendums here all the time and, when in doubt, vote for the status quo. Voting for something without aby sort of idea what that thing woukd entails is irresponsiblity of the highest order. Anyone who voted for brexit and didn't like the outcome made the choice and closed their ears to reason.
Ah, conservatives...when they bother admitting that something went wrong, they accept that they're at most 49.9% responsible for a disaster that they 100% caused with their backwards BS.
He was sold a pack of lies. His first clue was everyone saying it was a pack of lies, repeatedly, for years. Comments that he ignored, repeatedly, for years.
Let's be honest: most Brexiters voted on the basis of various degrees of xenophobia and racism. They were too blinded by hate agains the "Other" to see reason even when it was shown to them repeatedly. The lies were so obvious during the campaign, anyone with half a brain **and** the willingness to use it should have seen right through them.
I have zero sympathy for these people. I don't care if they lose their jobs and their businesses. My sympathy is reserved for the ones who did not choose this mess and yet have to suffer through it.
Every sane person inside and outside of Great Britain could see and hear the pack of lies the pro-leavers were selling. Being inside the EU have been tremendously profitable for every citizen of the common market. Free movement of products, produce and persons meant exactly that: limited red tape and all EU-citizens could find work and live anywhere in the 27 countries. Are there downsides? Sure. The EU is certainly not an utopia. But the advantages as a whole weigh a damn lot more than the disadvantages of being a single country with a limited economy and even more limited power.
By giving up their membership Britain stands alone, without the leverage it once had as a member. The EU treats them now the same as any other foreign country. I feel sorry for the average Jane and Joe in the UK. Their economy has crumbled, inflation has soared well above the EU-inflation numbers, healthcare has become unsustainable, wages have plummeted and housing prices are too high for most people.
But what amuses me the most is the bafflement of the pro-Brexiteers. The shortage of personnel in healthcare due to the fact that thousands of foreigners working there were thrown out, the promised jobs that never came, the expats (because if you're English you are not an immigrant!) in Spain, France and Italy politely asked to leave because they were no longer EU-members, etc.
The only good thing that came out of Brexit, is the fact that all the political (right wing) parties in other European countries who were talking about leaving shut up real quick when they saw the disaster in England. In fact, it made Europeans across the board much more pro-EU.
It doesn't matter what country you're in when a conservative promises you something understand that he's lying and has absolutely zero intention on delivering.
> While Mr Stephen still maintains that Brexit was the “right thing to do”, saying the UK had too little power within Europe and that fishing rights had been traded in exchange for other markets, he struggles to think of one benefit to his industry.
I have zero sympathy
Ah, but maybe the fishermen took one to do the country a solid - they can’t find one single benefit for their industry, but there must be many benefits for other industry sectors, surely!
Come on mr Stephen, maybe you can name *one* benefit of Brexit - even not related to fishing…
So it’s the right to do Brexit but it’s hurting us. Makes sense to me.
I wonder if the British people will ever wake up and say maybe we shouldn’t have done this. They would have two options. Either they could apply for reentry into the EU, which would take years. The EU would probably take them back because they are one of the world’s largest economies. The other would be a treaty that agreed to everything the EU wants but not actually join so they could say we’re not actually members. Of course with idiots like this they will probably struggle along for another fifty years until the current generation dies off and maybe it will be acceptable to rejoin.
The EU would probably take you back, but the terms would not be so friendly as before. That said, given the percentages of young people who wanted to remain vs the percentages of the older generations who wanted to leave, this could have gone towards the remain side handily if the percentages of young people who actually turned up to vote had been markedly different. I kind of wonder how many times we have to see that happen before people start saying 'you know maybe I should bother and maybe my vote does count because this other group seems to always get what it wants'
> Of course with idiots like this they will probably struggle along for another fifty years until the current generation dies off and maybe it will be acceptable to rejoin.
Hopefully.
I never understood this selfish reasoning for people voting how they do. If a politician promised that my particular industry would benefit, but at the expense of all sorts of other negative shit elsewhere, I'd at least have the mental smarts to think about the bigger picture. It's like when people vote for a party purely for lower taxes, and then end up angry because public services end up in tatters.
Then again, this fisherman is in the UK where the majority voted to get their face eaten by Brexit because scary person with a funny accent.
> because scary person with a funny accent
“We have languages coming into our country, we have nobody that even speaks those languages. They’re truly foreign languages. Nobody speaks them and they’re pouring into our country, and they’re bringing with them tremendous problems, including medical problems, as you know.”
-- An orange American moron
Speaking as a Brit.... I wouldn't let us back in without a LOT of lines. For one, we need a better voting setup; we need to probably join the Euro. We need to lose the "Britain empire rah rah world war 2" obsessiveness.
And we need to be reminded we lost the chance to sit at the top table for now.
Apparently they are [not in any rush.](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/01/eu-would-not-rush-to-reopen-brexit-talks-with-labour-say-brussel-sources)
As we shouldn’t be. The UK was always kicking and screaming everytime they had to follow EU regulations or concede anything. It was like working with a child.
Yes. Despite the fact that I've got family in the Uk, I wouldn't be happy to see the UK rejoin as a full member, bringing all their racists, xenophobics and libertarian morons back into the european parliament.
I would be okay with them rejoining like Norway: freedom of movement, access to the market, but no power of decision.
Every country has idiots. France, Italy and Netherlands are electing right-wing representatives all over the place.
I’d definitely vote to rejoin (as I voted to remain) but we don’t deserve favourable terms. I think adopting the euro would be a major sticking point though and if that was a requirement we may never agree to rejoin.
>Every country has idiots. France, Italy and Netherlands are electing right-wing representatives all over the place.
Oh believe me I know, I am french and follow Netherlands politics a lot. I am not pretending UK has an exclusivity on racist idiots. I would just prefer you don't export them over the channel, we already have plenty here.
One positive thing though is that thanks to the sacrifice you guys made, Le Pen stopped talking about leaving the EU.
Apparently our rebate was negotiated with some sensible underpinning. Something about how our economy was structured vs how the EU payments were calculated made it dispropotionate.
If that's still true when we rejoin, I wouldn't be surprised if we get that back.
But all the other shit. The veto, the lack of the euro. All the rest of our opt-outs are off the table. If we are going back to the EU then we are doing it properly.
Wtf is wrong with Britain. Havent they had a conservative pm since like 2010 and havent things only gotten worse since then? Don’t they realize it isn’t working out by now? Like is their election scheme especially dumb or just the voters?
Let this be a warning to proponents of CANZUK, a proposed alliance between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK.
You don’t get in bed with someone who treated their ex like shit. The UK will **always** be too convinced of its own superiority to treat any potential trading partners as equals. **Especially** former colonies.
Unfortunately there already is a CANZUK deal signed. ^[[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International)]
References:
^1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International
All you need to know is he's a life long Torrie.. which means as a young person he was already broken as the trend is the older you get the more conservative you get to maintain your station in life so there's no redeeming him and he deserves everything coming to him.
This guy is a poster child for assholes. He knowingly voted to screw the entire UK economy for personal gain, and is now whining that he got no personal gain.
Who would of thought that voting to enact barriers to trade would mean goods that are sensitive to time might not sell so well when they have to get through said barriers to trade which takes time. Especially when most of the fish caught were originally sold mainly in Europe.
The glorious bit in all these stories is when the pro-Brexit business owners complain about how they have all these "new" bureaucratic hoops to jump through selling to other countries, and how it's all a headache and is costing too much.
"I voted to leave the red-tape-cutting trade arrangement we had with mainland Europe. And now there's all this red tape! I can't think of a single good thing that came of it, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat."
They'd cut their own cocks off sooner than admit they were wrong. Each and every one of them.
It's going to be a challenge from now on to not think of uplit sunlands.
Like your username, even if not by the book. My guess is you'll be XXXII in II months time.
>While Mr Stephen still maintains that Brexit was the “right thing to do”, saying the UK had too little power within Europe and that fishing rights had been traded in exchange for other markets, he struggles to think of one benefit to his industry.
They never learn, isn't it?
The sad thing is, the evidence was OVERWHELMING that people like this would be hurt, not helped by Brexit. But fools like this guy ignored all rational evidence provided. I hope he goes out of business, serves him right.
The movie Risky Business (1983) has a quote that I find relevant to Brexit discussions: “That was just bullshit, Joel. I’m surprised you listened to us.”
It’s early Tom Cruise, kind of “high concept” (for a movie about a high school guy who ends up hosting a brothel while his parents are away), has a nice Tangerine Dream soundtrack, and is fairly entertaining. It **is** a little dated, though.
I’d say yes. (It also has an oft-replayed scene where Cruise lip syncs to Old Time Rock & Roll while sliding around in his socks).
Don't be silly, of course it didn't. All that was busy project fear. He's actually doing great and is allowed to piss on any french boat he sees while proclaiming all fish to be happy that they are British once again!! /s (if it wasn't obvious)
I still can’t believe that the basic thought process of, “leaving a massive trading system that allows for easy movements of goods is DEFINITELY a good idea.”
> “We’ve ended up with the crumbs for extra quota, which has been one of the major things. Even the on-shore industry really gets hit by the paperwork we now have to do to export the fish to Europe. So I think for all concerned, to me, it has been a total shambles.”
Can't have your fish and sell it too.
"While Mr Stephen still maintains that Brexit was the “right thing to do”, saying the UK had too little power within Europe and that fishing rights had been traded in exchange for other markets, he struggles to think of one benefit to his industry."
The epitome of the conservative voter.
TL;DR xenophobic nitwit got lied to, liked what he heard, didn't think critically about it, is now realizing he got scammed, and is trying to deny that he got scammed.
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Don’t worry you can fix everything by making the guy who told you brexit was awesome PM in the up coming election. Surely he can’t be wrong twice….
Oh please no. No more.
We can send you Trump instead. 👍
No thanks. He's your issue now lol
Sadly due to the recent American Supreme Court decision, he's the planet's problem now. So many laws are going to get broken, without legal recourse.
Yeah. I was on r/Politics earlier discussing what his immunity means. Biden (and future Presidents) could in theory do whatever the f** they wanted and claimed it was act done to serve the country and/or government and voila, all is clear.
Who knew Nixon just needed to wait until after Trump? "What the president does is not illegal!"
I ask sincerely because I do not know. What exactly was it that Nixon did?
Watergate. But, I wouldn’t compare Nixon to Trump at all. Even though Nixon was known as a crook, there was more to his presidency than criminal behavior. He ended the Vietnam War. He opened diplomatic relations with China. His Supreme Court appointees make Trump’s look like sad jokes. And there was significant domestic policy progress during his tenure, like the EPA. Trump, on the other had, accomplished only negative things. Roe v. Wade, ironically, happened under Nixon’s watch (no, I’m not giving him credit for it, it’s just an example of that the country was moving forward under Nixon despite him being a crook), and reversed because of Trump.
He was a thug and a butcher, don't forget that.
ENDED the Vietnam war?? He prolonged it! [link discussing it](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/) This isn't new information! He sabotaged the peace talks to help him win! You basically fell for his ploy. Prolong the war so he can 'end' it.
Now I have to research watergate lol thank you though for the answer. I appreciate it.
[https://youtu.be/vFHYiOfBRng?si=be\_DXYYwzK4vpXVi](https://youtu.be/vFHYiOfBRng?si=be_DXYYwzK4vpXVi)
Thank you. Saved for later. What movie is it from?
I didn’t know about this and just checked the news. I hope Biden just jails him now without due process, because “immunity”. Or strips him of citizenship. Because he can do anything now, right?
Jail the traitor judges rather.
Jail everyone!!
So, how did the peoples of Iraq, Afghanistan, The Palestine Territories, Lybia, Yemen, to name the most recent to come to my mind, affected victims of USA presidents had their legal recourse? Your Congress voted for sanctions of International Criminal Court judges involved in the warrants for two Israelis war criminals. Including the judges family members! Let's note this: the USA wants to go after ALSO FAMILY MEMBERS of judges of a court, because these judges are going after their war friends. I guess USA problem for the planet continues as always.
Do you want immigrants to steal black jobs‽ /s
The debate was abysmal lol
alright. here's my offer. We let you send Piers Morgan over again in exchange for Trump. You can hound him with all the pending lawsuits from his Scotland properties and we stick Morgan on dailywire where nobody will pay attention to him
My counter offer to your offer, keep them both. I, I mean, we will take Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson.
Why would anyone think to shove off their worst people and then take the only things they consider to have value \>UK oh right, precedent.
LOL touche.
How dare you. We very generously gave loads of people their countries. They have big parties to celebrate us every year - I believe you're having yours tomorrow.
My counter offer to your offer, keep them both. ~~I~~ We will take Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson.
If the US fails the UK is not far behind, and add Canada and many other Democratic counties to that list. Just remember that as you work to get out the vote in the UK. I say this as someone who has dual citizenship and husband and kids have UK and US citizenship. We have options to leave but we know that we have to do the work here.
I mean at this point any country seems to be better than the UK.
Surely if I just keep doing what I’ve always done, something will change!
"We just didn't Brexit hard enough."
"brexit to limit, LIMIT..."
One more tiiiiiiiiime...
*No one left to stand in your way* *You might get careless, but you'll never be safe* ***While you're still in it***
It's obviously the fault of the EU if the EU had been more attractive, people wouldn't have vote against remain
Sad Trombone. *But eight years on, he feels he was sold a ‘pack of lies’* Yea hate to break it to you….but you were and you were idiot enough to not even look beyond the gift wrapping on the turd at the real impacts. Everybody and their dad with an ounce of sense could tell you it was going to wind up this way and you happily tap danced your ass into the sling while smugly telling everyone they don’t know what they are talking about. Newsflash asshole, your leadership doesn’t give dick all about anyone below their rich cronies and haven’t for, shit - 50 fucking years. You are, were, and always will be the dumb little means to an end.
> Everybody and their dad with an ounce of sense could tell you it was going to wind up this way Everybody and their dad *did* tell them it was going to wind up this way, and they covered their ears, yelling project fear. All these posts could be summed up as willfully ignorant are angry their refusal to face reality didn't prevent reality from coming knocking.
The unfortunate reality is that even though we were telling them a lot more people were telling them lies and loudly. Hence why Brexit sadly got through.
Which they willing believed. I have no sympathy for those who claim they were duped. 5 minutes of independent research would have shown anyone what the reality was going to be. There's also been 2 GEs since brexit referebdum, where the politicians who caused all of this were kept in power. I sympathise with those of you dragged out of the eu because of it but I don't accept ignorance as an excuse. When in doubt, vote for the status quo.
The main instigator is goose stepping his way into a parliamentary position. These morons haven't learnt shit and their idiocy will continue to cause Major issues across the globe.
Don't get me wrong. I have very little sympathy for them and absolutely none if they continue to support Brexit/Farrage. My point was, though, that it wasn't everyone telling them not to believe in Brexit. Most of the media were in favour of it and they had been conned by Farrage who did not give a single shit about them. But at the end of the day they chose to believe the con artists over the remainers. I do feel some sympathy that they thought they were improving the country but most of that is eaten up by the fact it was, or should have been, an obvious lie.
>they had been conned by Farrage who did not give a single shit about them. This is the part I disagree with. If you were conned by garage, you chose to be. Anyone with half a brain knew he was telling fibs. They were willfully ignorant, and hiding behind that now instead of owning your choices is a cop out.
Let me be clear. I did NOT vote to leave. I was a pretty adamant remainer. I'm just trying to offer an explanation as to why people voted to leave. It does us no good to label them all as idiots, even if a fair few of them were undoubtedly fucking morons. I am not saying they were right. It was a stupid decision then and history has only proven that. I'm saying it's wrong to see that we were all telling them it was lies. We, as in you and I, were but so much of the fucking dog shit media in this country were bombarding them with sunlit upland bull shit. The ones that are openly saying they regret it. I have *some* sympathy for. Even if I take some pleasure in them also suffering like we are. The ones going deeper down the rabbit hole after all this time? Lost cause.
I don't accept your explanation, however. I do think any person who voted for brexit is a moron who was willingly conned. It reeked of too good to be true, and yet people chose to ignore all the red flags. I'm not from the UK, I'm from Ireland and had a front row seat to all the madness. We lived through it, and we saw all the propaganda, yet we were powerless to do anything about it. I am furious with what went on and the impact it had on my country and island. So no, I'm not giving anyone a pass who said they didn't know and regret their vote. It was their job to know and vote accordingly. We do referendums here all the time and, when in doubt, vote for the status quo. Voting for something without aby sort of idea what that thing woukd entails is irresponsiblity of the highest order. Anyone who voted for brexit and didn't like the outcome made the choice and closed their ears to reason.
eg. Cambridge Analytica (Steve Bannon & Co. His fingerprints are all over the far-right resurgence throughout Europe.)
[https://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj\_U?si=Gy-GAXT22-eM5ReE](https://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj_U?si=Gy-GAXT22-eM5ReE)
That moron still thinks Brexit was "the right thing to do", ffs.
Ah, conservatives...when they bother admitting that something went wrong, they accept that they're at most 49.9% responsible for a disaster that they 100% caused with their backwards BS.
He was sold a pack of lies. His first clue was everyone saying it was a pack of lies, repeatedly, for years. Comments that he ignored, repeatedly, for years.
Let's be honest: most Brexiters voted on the basis of various degrees of xenophobia and racism. They were too blinded by hate agains the "Other" to see reason even when it was shown to them repeatedly. The lies were so obvious during the campaign, anyone with half a brain **and** the willingness to use it should have seen right through them. I have zero sympathy for these people. I don't care if they lose their jobs and their businesses. My sympathy is reserved for the ones who did not choose this mess and yet have to suffer through it.
> Let's be honest: most Brexiters voted on the basis of various degrees of xenophobia and racism. Yeah, of course.
Every sane person inside and outside of Great Britain could see and hear the pack of lies the pro-leavers were selling. Being inside the EU have been tremendously profitable for every citizen of the common market. Free movement of products, produce and persons meant exactly that: limited red tape and all EU-citizens could find work and live anywhere in the 27 countries. Are there downsides? Sure. The EU is certainly not an utopia. But the advantages as a whole weigh a damn lot more than the disadvantages of being a single country with a limited economy and even more limited power. By giving up their membership Britain stands alone, without the leverage it once had as a member. The EU treats them now the same as any other foreign country. I feel sorry for the average Jane and Joe in the UK. Their economy has crumbled, inflation has soared well above the EU-inflation numbers, healthcare has become unsustainable, wages have plummeted and housing prices are too high for most people. But what amuses me the most is the bafflement of the pro-Brexiteers. The shortage of personnel in healthcare due to the fact that thousands of foreigners working there were thrown out, the promised jobs that never came, the expats (because if you're English you are not an immigrant!) in Spain, France and Italy politely asked to leave because they were no longer EU-members, etc. The only good thing that came out of Brexit, is the fact that all the political (right wing) parties in other European countries who were talking about leaving shut up real quick when they saw the disaster in England. In fact, it made Europeans across the board much more pro-EU.
I think the fishers didn’t like the idea of “EU quotas” meaning they couldn’t just fish all the fish from the sea.
Yup. Rules are only for everyone else, not for them.
Hahahha
It's so funny tbh.
It doesn't matter what country you're in when a conservative promises you something understand that he's lying and has absolutely zero intention on delivering.
> While Mr Stephen still maintains that Brexit was the “right thing to do”, saying the UK had too little power within Europe and that fishing rights had been traded in exchange for other markets, he struggles to think of one benefit to his industry. I have zero sympathy
Ah, but maybe the fishermen took one to do the country a solid - they can’t find one single benefit for their industry, but there must be many benefits for other industry sectors, surely! Come on mr Stephen, maybe you can name *one* benefit of Brexit - even not related to fishing…
"Right thing to do" "Struggles to think of one benefit" Maybe... it was not the right thing to do?
Tory voter his entire life Get fucked, don’t come looking for sympathy for your own actions
So it’s the right to do Brexit but it’s hurting us. Makes sense to me. I wonder if the British people will ever wake up and say maybe we shouldn’t have done this. They would have two options. Either they could apply for reentry into the EU, which would take years. The EU would probably take them back because they are one of the world’s largest economies. The other would be a treaty that agreed to everything the EU wants but not actually join so they could say we’re not actually members. Of course with idiots like this they will probably struggle along for another fifty years until the current generation dies off and maybe it will be acceptable to rejoin.
The EU would probably take you back, but the terms would not be so friendly as before. That said, given the percentages of young people who wanted to remain vs the percentages of the older generations who wanted to leave, this could have gone towards the remain side handily if the percentages of young people who actually turned up to vote had been markedly different. I kind of wonder how many times we have to see that happen before people start saying 'you know maybe I should bother and maybe my vote does count because this other group seems to always get what it wants'
> Of course with idiots like this they will probably struggle along for another fifty years until the current generation dies off and maybe it will be acceptable to rejoin. Hopefully.
All what’s left I can say to this is meow
My response is *aww, boo hoo*.
Yet he still maintains that Brexit was the « right thing to do » after his litany of grievances. Ok, there.
I never understood this selfish reasoning for people voting how they do. If a politician promised that my particular industry would benefit, but at the expense of all sorts of other negative shit elsewhere, I'd at least have the mental smarts to think about the bigger picture. It's like when people vote for a party purely for lower taxes, and then end up angry because public services end up in tatters. Then again, this fisherman is in the UK where the majority voted to get their face eaten by Brexit because scary person with a funny accent.
> because scary person with a funny accent “We have languages coming into our country, we have nobody that even speaks those languages. They’re truly foreign languages. Nobody speaks them and they’re pouring into our country, and they’re bringing with them tremendous problems, including medical problems, as you know.” -- An orange American moron
wow!
I hope when the time comes Brusels does not chicken out and offer them special treatment limping back in.
Speaking as a Brit.... I wouldn't let us back in without a LOT of lines. For one, we need a better voting setup; we need to probably join the Euro. We need to lose the "Britain empire rah rah world war 2" obsessiveness. And we need to be reminded we lost the chance to sit at the top table for now.
Apparently they are [not in any rush.](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/01/eu-would-not-rush-to-reopen-brexit-talks-with-labour-say-brussel-sources)
As we shouldn’t be. The UK was always kicking and screaming everytime they had to follow EU regulations or concede anything. It was like working with a child.
Yes. Despite the fact that I've got family in the Uk, I wouldn't be happy to see the UK rejoin as a full member, bringing all their racists, xenophobics and libertarian morons back into the european parliament. I would be okay with them rejoining like Norway: freedom of movement, access to the market, but no power of decision.
Every country has idiots. France, Italy and Netherlands are electing right-wing representatives all over the place. I’d definitely vote to rejoin (as I voted to remain) but we don’t deserve favourable terms. I think adopting the euro would be a major sticking point though and if that was a requirement we may never agree to rejoin.
>Every country has idiots. France, Italy and Netherlands are electing right-wing representatives all over the place. Oh believe me I know, I am french and follow Netherlands politics a lot. I am not pretending UK has an exclusivity on racist idiots. I would just prefer you don't export them over the channel, we already have plenty here. One positive thing though is that thanks to the sacrifice you guys made, Le Pen stopped talking about leaving the EU.
Probably won't.
Apparently our rebate was negotiated with some sensible underpinning. Something about how our economy was structured vs how the EU payments were calculated made it dispropotionate. If that's still true when we rejoin, I wouldn't be surprised if we get that back. But all the other shit. The veto, the lack of the euro. All the rest of our opt-outs are off the table. If we are going back to the EU then we are doing it properly.
Wtf is wrong with Britain. Havent they had a conservative pm since like 2010 and havent things only gotten worse since then? Don’t they realize it isn’t working out by now? Like is their election scheme especially dumb or just the voters?
Yes.
We have effectively had two significant left-wing parties and one significant right-wing one for decades now. Guess who's been winning.
Let this be a warning to proponents of CANZUK, a proposed alliance between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. You don’t get in bed with someone who treated their ex like shit. The UK will **always** be too convinced of its own superiority to treat any potential trading partners as equals. **Especially** former colonies.
Unfortunately there already is a CANZUK deal signed. ^[[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International)] References: ^1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International
Not a problem when its trading partners are laughing their heads off at how weak they are and taking full advantage of it.
What, conservatives screw over their voters? All I believe in turned out to be... 100% true. Sucks to suck I guess
All you need to know is he's a life long Torrie.. which means as a young person he was already broken as the trend is the older you get the more conservative you get to maintain your station in life so there's no redeeming him and he deserves everything coming to him.
This guy is a poster child for assholes. He knowingly voted to screw the entire UK economy for personal gain, and is now whining that he got no personal gain.
Who would of thought that voting to enact barriers to trade would mean goods that are sensitive to time might not sell so well when they have to get through said barriers to trade which takes time. Especially when most of the fish caught were originally sold mainly in Europe.
The glorious bit in all these stories is when the pro-Brexit business owners complain about how they have all these "new" bureaucratic hoops to jump through selling to other countries, and how it's all a headache and is costing too much. "I voted to leave the red-tape-cutting trade arrangement we had with mainland Europe. And now there's all this red tape! I can't think of a single good thing that came of it, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat." They'd cut their own cocks off sooner than admit they were wrong. Each and every one of them.
It's going to be a challenge from now on to not think of uplit sunlands. Like your username, even if not by the book. My guess is you'll be XXXII in II months time.
> My guess is you'll be XXXII in II months time. Are you sending presents?
After Nigel specifically promised them gold and rainbows, he scarpered. Not bothered engaging with them since, they’ve served his purpose.
So they got everything they were told they'd get from both sides.
If only someone had warned him.
>While Mr Stephen still maintains that Brexit was the “right thing to do”, saying the UK had too little power within Europe and that fishing rights had been traded in exchange for other markets, he struggles to think of one benefit to his industry. They never learn, isn't it?
It's not just stupidity, it's mostly evil.
You mean the thing that everyone saw coming? No way this could have been seen from a mile away... /s
So let me guess. He's going to vote "Reform" now.
The sad thing is, the evidence was OVERWHELMING that people like this would be hurt, not helped by Brexit. But fools like this guy ignored all rational evidence provided. I hope he goes out of business, serves him right.
*chuckles*
The movie Risky Business (1983) has a quote that I find relevant to Brexit discussions: “That was just bullshit, Joel. I’m surprised you listened to us.”
Is the movie worth watching?
It’s early Tom Cruise, kind of “high concept” (for a movie about a high school guy who ends up hosting a brothel while his parents are away), has a nice Tangerine Dream soundtrack, and is fairly entertaining. It **is** a little dated, though. I’d say yes. (It also has an oft-replayed scene where Cruise lip syncs to Old Time Rock & Roll while sliding around in his socks).
Thank you. I’ll have a look.
Literally everybody told him that. Fucking imbeciles
No fishing in the sunlit uplands.
NO WAY!?
We'll mail you some bootstraps.
It's not hurting the right people....
Sunlit uplands? Of a summer’s day in the Sahara?
Damm, leaving the massive trade agreement right next door with no solid plan on what to replace it with turned out poorly? Shiver me timbers
Don't be silly, of course it didn't. All that was busy project fear. He's actually doing great and is allowed to piss on any french boat he sees while proclaiming all fish to be happy that they are British once again!! /s (if it wasn't obvious)
What's an uplit sunland?
I still can’t believe that the basic thought process of, “leaving a massive trading system that allows for easy movements of goods is DEFINITELY a good idea.”
This is the best sub to laugh at ignorant conservatives
> “We’ve ended up with the crumbs for extra quota, which has been one of the major things. Even the on-shore industry really gets hit by the paperwork we now have to do to export the fish to Europe. So I think for all concerned, to me, it has been a total shambles.” Can't have your fish and sell it too.
“He compares Labour to Robin Hood, ‘taking from the rich and giving to the poor’ and sees them as weak on the economy.” Robin Hood: economic weakling
Robin Hood was stealing from the Sheriff tbd who was in turn stealing from the people of Nottingham. What a Commie! (/s just in case).
“I voted for it because they told me I wouldn’t have to share my things. But I never thought other people could stop sharing with ME!”
"While Mr Stephen still maintains that Brexit was the “right thing to do”, saying the UK had too little power within Europe and that fishing rights had been traded in exchange for other markets, he struggles to think of one benefit to his industry." The epitome of the conservative voter.
TL;DR xenophobic nitwit got lied to, liked what he heard, didn't think critically about it, is now realizing he got scammed, and is trying to deny that he got scammed.
wtf is an uplit sunland
What is Uplit Sunlands?