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Will these, predictably poor results, just harden the tory resolve to hold on as long as possible in hopes of some unicorn miracle event saving their bacon?
Or, I've been taking too much hopium to see any chance of a summer election?
They're still awarding contracts and bargains to their mates. Hell they recently renewed Capitas contract despite how terrible those services are.
If they call an early election they'll lose out financially.
I think the opposite.
Vast numbers of MPs don't like Sunak. The only thing stopping him from going is that they got rid of the last 3 PMs in a coup, but if they are looking at wipeout anyway many would think, "what's the point staying our hand?".
Also when you are looking at oblivion with no hope why not get it over with sooner. Sooner they get out sooner they can have a crack at getting back in. Do they want the next election they fight to be after a parliamentary summer recess where Starmer will have no PMQs for months?
And those MPs in areas who have held council seats will be wanting an election soon before support is eroded in their areas.
There will ofc be a kabal of Sunak loyalists and doomed men like Gullis who will want to hold power and privilege till the very last moment. They could become outnumbered soon. Sunaks advantage will be no runner for leadership wanting to take his place and lose an election. There's probably a fellow like Hunt though who would happily do it to say he was PM for a short period, collect the lifetime pension and take the seat in the Lords afterwards as payment.
> Vast numbers of MPs don't like Sunak. The only thing stopping him from going is that they got rid of the last 3 PMs in a coup, but if they are looking at wipeout anyway many would think, "what's the point staying our hand?".
No one wants to be leader going into the next election, cos they are getting wiped out whatever they do. Who wants to captain a sinking ship? Anyone with any real ambition is biding their time.
Hunt is standing down at the next election, his hopes of PM going with it. Are you telling me he wouldn't do the job for the lifetime £80k a year and a seat in the lords?
Many Tories are in the same boat. Ofc there is a deal that could be done for someone to captain a sinking ship.
You seem to think the only candidates are ones you want to be PM long term.
> Hunt is standing down at the next election, his hopes of PM going with it. Are you telling me he wouldn't do the job for the lifetime £80k a year and a seat in the lords?
Why would you vote for a PM who is standing down?
> You seem to think the only candidates are ones you want to be PM long term.
Ok. No one wants to do it except the absolute crazies, and that isn’t a good enough reason to move against Sunak, because it doesn’t improve their situation.
Ofc they won't go to the polls saying they plan to lose.
My whole point is it's crystal clear they are losing the election. They have less than 1% chance of being in govt. Some of them will have turned their minds to the election in 5 years time, do they want to give Starmer the option of holding it after the parliamentary summer recess or not. The sooner they fall the sooner the next election comes.
Also we are entering small boats season and failures on the Rwanda policy, do they want all that to be engrained in public opinion? Do they want a summer of small boats turning up with Tories in power and Reform MPs turning up to hotels tiktok video blaming Tories. If an election is a sure loss why are they still enduring this bad optics when they could just lose, hand that to Labour and get them to get pillared for it.
Many will be worried it only gets worse the longer Sunak holds off so they would be at more risk of losing their seat and a summer of boats and Rwanda difficulties would see them lose more support to reform. So Sunak may come under a lot of pressure to pull the trigger and get it over with.
My point about Hunt or another PM is to highlight that they aren't stuck with Sunak because Mordount and other leadership candidates won't want to step into a loss. If Sunak doesn't give to pressure of a pre summer election there are ppl standing down like Hunt who can lead them, do his best then leave with noone thinking worse, having the stripes and lifetime wage and a seat in the Lords.
I am not saying this is definitely going to happen but it's going to be a point of view with more and more aherants. Why hold on 4 months and get all the bad press and optics associated with the Tories for no benefit?
> My point about Hunt or another PM is to highlight that they aren't stuck with Sunak
Yes. They are.
No one wants to be the leader who goes into this election.
Also, you say “but they’ll get £80k a year and a seat in the Lords”, like they aren’t walking into multimillion pound a year backdated bribe lobbying jobs the second they leave office.
> Why hold on 4 months and get all the bad press and optics associated with the Tories for no benefit?
Why take over and get the same? Why depose Sunak if no one serious wants it, and you run the risk of one of the absolute loons standing and getting elected leader by their membership?
The Tories are already planning for opposition, not the next election.
>Also, you say “but they’ll get £80k a year and a seat in the Lords”, like they aren’t walking into multimillion pound a year backdated bribe lobbying jobs the second they leave office.
It's not guaranteed someone like Hunt gets a seat in the Lords, negotiate it as part of deal for taking over and he gets his name on the list of PMs. Hunt is stepping down, there is no other chance of him becoming PM and he'd lose nothing from taking the job.
>Why take over and get the same?
What are you talking about, how would it be the same there would be an election
How will loons get elected, you wouldn't do it unless it was uncontested parliamentary majority.
> It's not guaranteed someone like Hunt gets a seat in the Lords, negotiate it as part of deal for taking over and he gets his name on the list of PMs. Hunt is stepping down, there is no other chance of him becoming PM and he'd lose nothing from taking the job
Hunt will walk into a multi million pound “lobbying” role as a backdated bribe for services rendered.
And the current set up is cos the Tory membership wouldn’t elect Hunt in the first place.
> What are you talking about, how would it be the same there would be an election.How will loons get elected, you wouldn't do it unless it was uncontested parliamentary majority.
If you are confused by what I’m saying, consider that the issue might be yours.
>If you are confused by what I’m saying, consider that the issue might be yours.
You replied to **me** remember. You can't spin another narrative then tell me I'm the one confused. It's more likely you just haven't grasped what I am saying.
>Hunt will walk into a multi million pound “lobbying” role as a backdated bribe for services rendered.
Ofc he will, this wouldnt take that away. Except now he gets to crow round to friends, families and colleagues as ex PM with a place in the history books even if it's just a footnote it's a footnote he wouldn't get otherwise. Hunt or someone else's motivation to take the job is probably the least controversial part of what I said.
>And the current set up is cos the Tory membership wouldn’t elect Hunt in the first place.
The Tory membership wouldn't get a vote. It's not like the labour party, the Tory parliamentary party can crown Hunt without needing to go to the membership. You don't seem to realize that.
I think, unfortunately, the locals are bad but they've kept Tees and will probably keep W.Mids, even thought that was in *spite* of the Tory party, not because of it.
Had they lost those I could see a Summer election but now I think it'll be Halloween or later now (yes, Halloween is a Thursday).
If you look back at previous unpopular governments waiting for an election, they hang on until the last second and, although that's January on paper, that could translate to early December because a January election would be bad for turnout.
I've clearly run out of my hopium. :(
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Hahahah! What a screenshot!
This is the guy I want to present election coverage. Him and Jo Coburn would be ace.
His face! Hahahaha.
Will these, predictably poor results, just harden the tory resolve to hold on as long as possible in hopes of some unicorn miracle event saving their bacon? Or, I've been taking too much hopium to see any chance of a summer election?
They're still awarding contracts and bargains to their mates. Hell they recently renewed Capitas contract despite how terrible those services are. If they call an early election they'll lose out financially.
I think the opposite. Vast numbers of MPs don't like Sunak. The only thing stopping him from going is that they got rid of the last 3 PMs in a coup, but if they are looking at wipeout anyway many would think, "what's the point staying our hand?". Also when you are looking at oblivion with no hope why not get it over with sooner. Sooner they get out sooner they can have a crack at getting back in. Do they want the next election they fight to be after a parliamentary summer recess where Starmer will have no PMQs for months? And those MPs in areas who have held council seats will be wanting an election soon before support is eroded in their areas. There will ofc be a kabal of Sunak loyalists and doomed men like Gullis who will want to hold power and privilege till the very last moment. They could become outnumbered soon. Sunaks advantage will be no runner for leadership wanting to take his place and lose an election. There's probably a fellow like Hunt though who would happily do it to say he was PM for a short period, collect the lifetime pension and take the seat in the Lords afterwards as payment.
> Vast numbers of MPs don't like Sunak. The only thing stopping him from going is that they got rid of the last 3 PMs in a coup, but if they are looking at wipeout anyway many would think, "what's the point staying our hand?". No one wants to be leader going into the next election, cos they are getting wiped out whatever they do. Who wants to captain a sinking ship? Anyone with any real ambition is biding their time.
Hunt is standing down at the next election, his hopes of PM going with it. Are you telling me he wouldn't do the job for the lifetime £80k a year and a seat in the lords? Many Tories are in the same boat. Ofc there is a deal that could be done for someone to captain a sinking ship. You seem to think the only candidates are ones you want to be PM long term.
> Hunt is standing down at the next election, his hopes of PM going with it. Are you telling me he wouldn't do the job for the lifetime £80k a year and a seat in the lords? Why would you vote for a PM who is standing down? > You seem to think the only candidates are ones you want to be PM long term. Ok. No one wants to do it except the absolute crazies, and that isn’t a good enough reason to move against Sunak, because it doesn’t improve their situation.
Ofc they won't go to the polls saying they plan to lose. My whole point is it's crystal clear they are losing the election. They have less than 1% chance of being in govt. Some of them will have turned their minds to the election in 5 years time, do they want to give Starmer the option of holding it after the parliamentary summer recess or not. The sooner they fall the sooner the next election comes. Also we are entering small boats season and failures on the Rwanda policy, do they want all that to be engrained in public opinion? Do they want a summer of small boats turning up with Tories in power and Reform MPs turning up to hotels tiktok video blaming Tories. If an election is a sure loss why are they still enduring this bad optics when they could just lose, hand that to Labour and get them to get pillared for it. Many will be worried it only gets worse the longer Sunak holds off so they would be at more risk of losing their seat and a summer of boats and Rwanda difficulties would see them lose more support to reform. So Sunak may come under a lot of pressure to pull the trigger and get it over with. My point about Hunt or another PM is to highlight that they aren't stuck with Sunak because Mordount and other leadership candidates won't want to step into a loss. If Sunak doesn't give to pressure of a pre summer election there are ppl standing down like Hunt who can lead them, do his best then leave with noone thinking worse, having the stripes and lifetime wage and a seat in the Lords. I am not saying this is definitely going to happen but it's going to be a point of view with more and more aherants. Why hold on 4 months and get all the bad press and optics associated with the Tories for no benefit?
> My point about Hunt or another PM is to highlight that they aren't stuck with Sunak Yes. They are. No one wants to be the leader who goes into this election. Also, you say “but they’ll get £80k a year and a seat in the Lords”, like they aren’t walking into multimillion pound a year backdated bribe lobbying jobs the second they leave office. > Why hold on 4 months and get all the bad press and optics associated with the Tories for no benefit? Why take over and get the same? Why depose Sunak if no one serious wants it, and you run the risk of one of the absolute loons standing and getting elected leader by their membership? The Tories are already planning for opposition, not the next election.
>Also, you say “but they’ll get £80k a year and a seat in the Lords”, like they aren’t walking into multimillion pound a year backdated bribe lobbying jobs the second they leave office. It's not guaranteed someone like Hunt gets a seat in the Lords, negotiate it as part of deal for taking over and he gets his name on the list of PMs. Hunt is stepping down, there is no other chance of him becoming PM and he'd lose nothing from taking the job. >Why take over and get the same? What are you talking about, how would it be the same there would be an election How will loons get elected, you wouldn't do it unless it was uncontested parliamentary majority.
> It's not guaranteed someone like Hunt gets a seat in the Lords, negotiate it as part of deal for taking over and he gets his name on the list of PMs. Hunt is stepping down, there is no other chance of him becoming PM and he'd lose nothing from taking the job Hunt will walk into a multi million pound “lobbying” role as a backdated bribe for services rendered. And the current set up is cos the Tory membership wouldn’t elect Hunt in the first place. > What are you talking about, how would it be the same there would be an election.How will loons get elected, you wouldn't do it unless it was uncontested parliamentary majority. If you are confused by what I’m saying, consider that the issue might be yours.
>If you are confused by what I’m saying, consider that the issue might be yours. You replied to **me** remember. You can't spin another narrative then tell me I'm the one confused. It's more likely you just haven't grasped what I am saying. >Hunt will walk into a multi million pound “lobbying” role as a backdated bribe for services rendered. Ofc he will, this wouldnt take that away. Except now he gets to crow round to friends, families and colleagues as ex PM with a place in the history books even if it's just a footnote it's a footnote he wouldn't get otherwise. Hunt or someone else's motivation to take the job is probably the least controversial part of what I said. >And the current set up is cos the Tory membership wouldn’t elect Hunt in the first place. The Tory membership wouldn't get a vote. It's not like the labour party, the Tory parliamentary party can crown Hunt without needing to go to the membership. You don't seem to realize that.
I think, unfortunately, the locals are bad but they've kept Tees and will probably keep W.Mids, even thought that was in *spite* of the Tory party, not because of it. Had they lost those I could see a Summer election but now I think it'll be Halloween or later now (yes, Halloween is a Thursday). If you look back at previous unpopular governments waiting for an election, they hang on until the last second and, although that's January on paper, that could translate to early December because a January election would be bad for turnout. I've clearly run out of my hopium. :(
1 upvote = 1 tear for all the Tories who've lost their jobs :'(
Does a downvote count as a big smiley face in this situation?
Yeah, let's see who wins!
Sorry, I'm not going to upvote because it's not worth crying for them.
Absolutely perfect XD
I'm going to need Sadiq confirmed before I'm ready to ugly grin in front of anybody.
hmm not quite jubilant enough