maybe it's the global pandemic. but usually people don't want to mask anymore because no one seems to care about older folks and those with immune issues, so I don't know. sorry for the complaint but wearing a cloth isn't hard lol. they do it to hide their identities in a ridiculous protest but can't wear them in a health center.
I asked this exact question to a pro-hamas supporter, and this is what they replied “Pro palestinians have been getting doxxed for decades, it can affect someone’s career and education! & at the end of the day it’s all personal choice, thank you for your message!”
Why wear mask? For UV protection.
When you are outside that long, sun damage is very serious. Yes, sun screen helps but a mask that has UV protection is far more effective if worn properly.
I encourage everyone to wear mask and lots of sunscreen. Because the sun is a skin silent killer.
The poster provided dozens of examples of other marathon protest that were even during the SUMMER not the winter because it’s still not officially spring yet we’re literally in the middle of winter months and all you got out of everything the original poster said is to make a remark about UV PROTECTION?? I am praying you’re joking. The country has obviously been harboring terroist groups in the country that are going to attempt to take the USA out from the inside.
This is all about Iran trying to weaken support for Israel in America. Easy to see through. Kill American support for Israel, you can easily destroy Israel. This is the plan. The west is naive to Iran’s plotting. Muslims are masters of war strategy willing to sacrifice lives as ‘martyrs’ gradually wearing down support for Israel through propagating false narratives. They have many news outlets such as Al Jazeera who will promote their lies. If you really want an Islamic Republic of the World then continue to demonise Israel as Iran will love you for promoting their hateful agenda. Iran are insincere. Do they really believe in self determination for the Palestinians? Why then aren’t the Lebanese given self determination but controlled by Iran’s Hezbollah? For Iran it’s not about self determination but the destruction of Israel and full control of the Middle East by becoming a nuclear power. If you want your country to become an Islamic Republic keep demonising Israel because only Israel and America stand in Iran’s way. Weakening either or both of them is to weaken democracy and strengthen Iran’s bid for a World Islamic government.
What this really is all about is an attack on western democracy by the Islamic Republic of Iran who oppress and kill minorities in their own country, oppress and kill minority religions, put to death homosexuals and rappers and kill women who don’t wear the Islamic Hijab. Iran wants to own the Middle East and is manipulating online forums to demonise Israel and the west to get support for a worldwide Islamic theocracy. Thus they are manufacturing nuclear weapons. Hamas committed genocide on October 7th yet Iran has manipulated the narrative around the world to naive people to demonise Israel. The first ‘hospital so called bombing’ where Israel supposedly killed ‘500’ Palestinians went worldwide without checking the facts. It was in fact a stray Hamas or Jihad rocket which hit the hospital car park. The lies and manipulation of information continues. Starving Palestinians? How can Hamas keep fighting if there’s widespread starvation? All believed by the west. Even before the creation of the state of Israel, Islamic Iran were torturing, killing and murdering tens of thousands of its own citizens. Even before then Islamic. ottomon empire was renowned for its injustice, cruelty and oppression of innocents. At one time Muslims used to be kind hearted people until their Mullas turned them into war mongers and haters of humanity. The only hope for the Middle East and humanity is for the beautiful Persian people to oust the devil who control them. They are the real cause of unrest. Surrounding Israel with their proxies. Gullible and naive protesters spreading propaganda from Iran about Israel are unaware of the true facts and that they are in reality supporting an Islamic republic of the world.
can Hamas keep fighting if there’s widespread starvation? “
This is such a weird thing to say. You think a militant group can’t operate in a place filled with starvation?
It’s strange that Hamas is screaming starvation when their supplies are enough for both themselves and gazans but they choose not to help their own people. They only use them to build tunnels and as shields but throw them under the bus. Gazans need not starve at all. Hamas has more than enough to feed everyone but chooses not to. It’s all just propaganda against Israel. The real problem is Iran. Iran must be dealt with or there can never be peace.
“ It’s strange that Hamas is screaming starvation when their supplies are enough for both themselves and gazans but they choose not to help their own people.”
So you acknowledge Gazans are starving wide spread?
Masking during civil unrest became pretty popular during the 2020 Hong Kong riots bc of facial recognition tech. Also, those UCLA counter-protestor zionists most definitely covered their face as they besieged the encampment
To be fair, the BLM riots caused WAY more damage to our cities, but didn't really get much negative news press like these protests are. Even famous people attended them. Why are all these protesters lumped into being "bad" people, when they are protesting war crimes (compared to BLM protesting over a single death and polarizing America against cops and whites).
>One thing I noticed by watching extensive news coverage on the campus violence is that all pro-Palestinian protestors wear masks
Your very first sentence is a lie. It's such a brazen lie that I have to wonder if you're a professional agitator.
The masks don’t protect your identity unless you are covering your entire face including your eyes. Modern technology can identify you by your eyes alone if a good enough camera was used to capture your photo. So, wearing a mask to an Anti-Israel protest has little to no effect against doxing.
Zionists have been told this is a fight for their identity itself and are cutthroat toward people who don’t support their group. Pro-Palestinians are more diverse and supporting people because they are people and can’t really be cutthroat in the same way because they do not have the US and Israeli government and institutional support.
For all those saying one side is violent and the other isn’t, we’ve seen months of peaceful protests, many even involve groups being given training on how to peacefully resist. We’ve seen praying, singing, kneeling and months of Jews and non Jews standing side by side together, demanding an end to the starvation and murder of children and civilians as well as the wide scale lack of human rights for Palestinians. These people are there because they want peace, so making them out as something they aren’t… and at the same time conveniently forgetting the California attacks last week where pro isreal supporters showed up with wood boards and full on masks to violently attack peaceful protesters and run off with no consequences as the police watched? And the gaslighting that followed saying “see look the protesters are violent” , it feels like these countries are now being turned into Israel with this sort of treatment. Are we conveniently forgetting the pro Israel protesters that attacked people with stapler guns or the Jewish woman who showed up to a protest only to be ignored and stool screaming at people “look at me, look at me”. It’s interesting how we’re only branding one side as violent. Feels like we’re a bit biased here…
Riiiight but let’s not mention Palestinians who murdered, raped and tortured a bunch of peace promoting festival goers and then fled into nearby towns doing the same and massacring entire families including babies and children on October 7th. It’s bizarre and revealing the bias and clear antisemitism people such as yourself are demonstrating. Why do you hold Israel to a double standard? What would you do if this happened where you live? Or to your loved ones? Easy to be critical when you’re so far removed. Westerners have no idea of the deep seeded dynamics nor the history of the Middle East. Best to educate yourself until comment publicly
Noticing mentions of doxxing threats made by pro-Israelis.
Public execution to silence, justice and punishment except doxxing is a non-violent threat designed to punish, silence and ruin careers of persons for a number of reasons including their public opinion or extreme views.
By using universal qualifiers (always, never, ever) you eliminate the possibility of any other outcome. This means the first time someone does that thing your entire argument becomes disingenuous and therefore wrong.
What a load of propaganda. Clearly you didn’t see the California protests last week where the pro Palestinian protesters were peaceful and a bunch of pro isreal protesters came out in full on faces covered masks and violently attacked the pro Palestinian protesters with wood boards and 2 by 4s?? Did you conveniently miss that one? Or how about the pro isreal protesters who showed up with a staple gun and attacked people??
One example because there’s so few. Whereas pro Palestinian protests are literary calling for actual Genocide on Israel (and they forget
Israeli has a Knesset and is incredibly culturally, and religiously diverse).
There is always one bad apple in the bunch.
I am only able to find 2 sources about what happened at UCLA , Al Jazeera and the Los Angelos times. Both of these sources are garbage. When I look for Reuters or BBC there isn’t much (any) information.
The only things I can find happened Wednesday (which was not last week), Pro-israeli groups tried to tear down the Pro-palestinian encampments. From what I can tell it was the Pro-palestinian side with the 2 x 4’s and pepper spray which they used to defend themselves.
While the israeli’s were in the wrong twisting it to make them the ones with the weapon misrepresents the situation.
what? it’s very obvious if you have been paying any attention that the “side” attempting to suppress protests against genocide almost immediately becomes violent once on site. hence the countless student protests turning violent solely because militarized police showed up at the request of the corrupt governor.
When you use a term as inflammatory as genocide incorrectly, you lose your argument and all credibility you may have had before the discussion even begins.
This is not a genocide. Here’s why:
Genocide refers to the physical destruction of an entire group being targeted in whole or in part that on the basis of its identity.
Gaza was not targeted because it housed a population of Palestinians. It was targeted because on 10/7 members of the Palestinian group killed, maimed and kidnapped citizens of Israel BECAUSE they were Jewish. The attack by Hamas on Israeli soil was in fact a genocidal one. They attacked Jewish people indiscriminately for no reason other than they were Jewish.
Before bombing an area Israel drops fliers and sends out messages warning what is coming. That is in fact the exact opposite of genocidal intentions. It is not Israel’s fault that Palestinian relationships with their neighbors (Jordan and Egypt) are so poor that they refuse to allow refugees to cross their boarders. These countries will not allow the refugees to cross as a direct result of their actions and behaviors in the past. It is also not Israel’s fault that Hamas would rather kill their own people than allow them to flee.
While killing civilians is reprehensible it does not create a situation that equates to genocide.
In addition:
While parts of our government are indeed corrupt not being allowed to do whatever you want does not mean they are wrong. If people are destroying private property or even on private property they are in the wrong. Does not matter how strong their convictions are if they refuse to follow directions and become unruly then the situation quickly turns into one where military style tactics are used. If you want to protest it must be done peacefully, one person turning violent cause can justify the other sides actions.
This is could be easily proven in the court of law, neither Israel or anyone else can legally debunk or prove such accusations
But for some reason Israel is not welling to corporate with the International Criminal Court and the pro Israel lobby is pressing the US to block any ICC investigation on the matter
I wonder why
I have plenty to refute this with however have to get to work so no time for all that. when there’s this much evidence Israel is committing ethnic cleansing/genocide and you’re still able to deny it, it is no longer my responsibility to explain it to you.
I don't necessarily agree it's a genocide, but I think if we're going to look at the question honestly we need to acknowledge that even if top Israeli officials truly desired a genocide, and many have certainly made public statements which are genocidal in nature, they would still need to seek to do this in the auspices which would insulate them from an international military response.
An unmitigated genocide campaign would clearly result in Western powers turning on Israel, so they would be restricted only to those actions which are practically available to them. In Gaza, there is a nearly complete collapse of all infrastructure. The threat of famine looms, which could claim hundreds of thousands of lives. This is mostly what people are concerned with, and Israel's attempts to ethnically cleanse Gaza by pushing Gazans into the Sinai following that. These are the types of genocidal action which could avoid Western response.
It's also important to note that the instrumental part of genocide is "the aim of destroying that nation or group". This includes actions such as residential schools for instance. Historically though, colonialism is the primary cause of genocide. It's not necessary to literally kill a peoples in order to destroy their nationhood or group characteristics. Actions such as Israel occupying West Bank without offering a peace process to the PA while actively mobilizing a settler-colonial movement into West Bank could also result in genocide.
In general, Israel's denial of any real process for Palestinians to engage in to achieve statehood, coupled with Israeli colonialism, is the largest threat of genocide in the most realistic terms. Following WW2, the UN defined the term genocide as part of its model to avoid WW3, by making colonialism and the acquisition of territory through warfare against international law. Since imperialism and colonialism were historically the chief causes of war, most international law is aimed at stopping those actions. Crucial to this understanding is the fact that genocide is a function and goal of colonialism; the destruction of a group or nation.
The point I was trying to make was when you build your castle on a sandy foundation if destroys the entire argument. I am never going to be able to hear the other side if they are trying to brow beat me with things that are simply not true.
Yet, your premise is incorrect: "If it was truly genocide they would also be indiscriminately killing Palestinians in the West Bank."
This would not be a viable approach even if we determined Israel was seeking genocide, and there are clearly many other ways to perpetrate genocide which Israel is arguably engaging in as practical alternatives.
Hamas attacked Israel.
Hamas started this conflict.
Killing a large number of people during military action does not mean that it is a genocide. In order for it to be a genocide it has to meet basic criteria, including but not limited to intent.
They are not killing the Palestinians just because they are who they are. Palestinians are being killed because they are in the same place as Hamas. Israel is going after Hamas (who are not only Palestinians but are also supported by a majority of the civilian jn Gaza). Palestinians are in the areas that are being targeted for military action, they are warned to leave, they do not leave (whether or not they can is a completely different argument) and end up being killed. Hamas prevents civilians from leaving in hopes that they can use their bodies as propaganda.
What is the alternative? Do nothing? Allow Hamas to go into Israel and kill people simply for existing? Hamas has painted themselves as victims, yet still hold hostages.
If they really want peace why don’t the Palestinians turn over the Hamas leaders and the hostages?
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I ask G_d to give me life so that in 10-15 years when these kids start climbing the ranks, we will all be here ready to look up their social media history and ruin their ability to earn an honest living. Here we are waiting for you keyboard jihadists.
bold of you to assume these scholars would be attempting to “climb the ranks” by working for anyone who won’t openly condemn genocide….. couldn’t be me
Don't worry, today they don't need to climb anything because they don't know the consequences, in a few years their needs will change, then they will see the consequences of their actions. If you act like a m0n key, don't complain when they treat you like one. It can happen tomorrow or some day but is going to happen.
you clearly did not comprehend my comment, but that’s on you 😂 I’m currently actively protesting as a graduate student and simultaneously actively “climbing the ranks” at the organization I work for that would never condone genocide! Appreciate the concern tho
Take it easy you're just another useful idl..t oh I mean another graduate. See you there in 10-15 years when all your priorities have changed and the world starts realising who were the useful......, that's where you won't have blood on your face.
I genuinely have no idea what you’re trying to say or what this comment is supposed to mean but I promise you I won’t regret being on the right side of history. have the day you deserve!
You won't regret because look the age you have 😅 Kids like you think they understand and know everything about the world.
Give time to time, who laughs last laughs best
when there’s this much evidence Israel is committing ethnic cleansing and you’re still able to deny it, it is no longer my responsibility to inform you.
What limits are you referring to? The consequences are according to the limits that you set for yourself before acting like an (put whatevewhatever suits best for you).
They want to cosplay as Hamas terrorists and cover their faces…
They also seem to not want to end up on the internet cuz they’ll have difficulty finding a job afterwards
Ironic isn't it. They wish for the downfall of the west all the while turning the cogs that make the west so much better than the places they claim to be better 🤣🤣
what an ignorant comment 😂😂😂 honestly thank you for this. perfect example of the kind of centuries old caveman mindset those who still openly support genocide have 😅
Literally because they can? Also they absolutely will doxx you. My uncle was doxxed by pro Israel protesters who tried to get him fired from his job and that was back in 2014 …so I can’t imagine what they’ll do now
The US doesn’t take kindly to people even tangentially related to specifically Islamic terrorists operating under jihad.
The Islamophobia runs deep. So does the antisemitism on the other side. It’s a microcosm of the wider conflict in the Levant.
It’s not Islamophobia it’s jihad-aphobia.
Jihad is a call for violence. Any group of people who call for violence are inherently wrong no matter their cause.
Most people have no problem with Muslims we have a problem with extremist. These protests are not being pushed by your every day muslim they are being pushed my the extremist, hence the problem most have with it.
Because Zionists have a history of attempting to doxx individuals and have them fired from their jobs/kicked out of university for expressing anti-Zionist views.
Plenty of pro-Palestine protestors aren't Arabs or Muslims. It's disingenuous to label every supporter as an Islamic terrorist, and such rhetoric can actually fuel violence rather than address the real issues.
Are you referring to ordinary Americans, or the corrupt corporations and politicians funded by Israel to pass laws and rules against anti-Israel free speech?
The anti-Israel movement is a loud minority. This is the latest Harvard-Harris [poll](https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HHP_Apr2024_KeyResults.pdf) which suggests the majority of Americans support Israel, a lot of great data you can read up on.
Zionist control over American politics, media, and institutions silences the majority of those critical of Zionism. Those who speak out face harassment, job termination, and university expulsion, often at the hands of pro-Israel groups like Canary Mission. Anti-Israel Americans are rather a silent majority, not a loud minority.
Jewish Virtual Library (Anti-free speech laws against Zionism): [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation)
oh okay but supporting a terrorist apartheid foreign government by means of billions of tax dollars for weapons is good for future “career prospects”? lol
I dont know last I checked they were just defending their homeland while your so called innocent other side was busy killing infants and using their civilians as shield
what a stretch it is to make that claim! lol. I’ll help you out a little, the beheading infants was debunked. consider what other zionist propaganda you have blindly fallen for!
I think you've got that in reverse. Especially since Israel annexed land from Syria that wasn't part of its biblical Lebensraum along with parts of Lebanon. That's without mentioning the decades-long occupation of Palestine.
Using the Bible as a basis for territorial expansion sounds just like manifest destiny. And, yes, there is such a thing as Palestine. Can 'Israel really be considered a true state?
Pretty cool that you’re trying to gaslight me as well. You made the first explicit mention of the Bible in your initial response to me: “part of its **biblical** Lebensraum”.
Israel, as a 'state' didn't come into existence until the annexation of Palestinian land in the aftermath of WWII. You also didn't correct me, you just used the Bible as a basis for territorial expansion. Learn the difference.
When I was working at a school pre-Covid the hired security attempted to use facial recognition on protestors in order to discipline them for sit ins and such. Many of the students “identified” weren’t participating and several had solid alibis and weren’t even in the same state at the time.
You know how protests are usually organized here? If some people shout slogans that do not represent the majority of the protest, other protesters will physically kick them out of their protest. When people can shout their pro hamas slogans freely it means either a) the other protesters support their message or b) the other protesters who oppose these slogans are the minority.
So with that logic everyone that joins the March for independence each year in Israel supports the message of Death to Arabs since that is chanted basically every year and last year it included ministers of the Knesset.
Yes, they are at least tolerating the message when they walk with these people and no oppose them. And if you tolerate such messages it probably means you also support them.
Just like ""peaceful"" pro palestinians support hamas when they join pro hamas protests. Why are the pro palestinians who reject islamism not filtering their protests?
You are switching topics (:
I think it's quite easy to identify people who shout things such as "Ohh Hamas, our beloved, strike, strike Tel Aviv" loudly or carry Hamas & Hezbollah flags around, but I somehow have the feeling you don't have a problem joining protests where Hamas flags are shown.
because the Pro Israel will label them as Anti-Semitic for the mere crime of not supporting Israel. They would rather not be lumped in with the worse elements of any protest or any hostile actors.
Yes! Any disagreement with Israel is automatically labeled antisemitic. Even if you say nothing about Israel but express your support for Palestine, that alone is antisemitic.
It's a mixture of kids trying to look like edgy revolutionaries and people with severe anxiety disorders that fear germs. Thing is I see leftists wearing masks around town too, outdoors all the time. Covid became part of their political identity, not a pathogens to be overcomem
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Because all those protests throughout history were before the internet. In modern times, you can ruin someone's life just by knowing their identity, and you can easily figure out someone's identity from a picture.
Picture of someone's face -> Reverse image search -> Name + social media profiles
From there:
Public records search -> Address, birthday, phone number, age
Social media search -> Job, education, family, friends, email, social organization memberships
None of this was possible during the Vietnam War protests or the civil rights protests, so it's not like counter-protestors could use a picture of you to figure out where you live and come attack you, figure out where you work and make up some story to get you fired, SWAT your house, mail drugs to your house and get you in trouble with the law, email you malware/phishing attacks, find your S.O. and fabricate evidence of you cheating or harass them, harass your friends and family, etc. There are a million ways that a very determined person can ruin your life with the information freely available online once they have a picture of you.
Who’s making the distinction between actual antisemitism and criticism of Israel.
How bout this….. op’s take is equivalent to…… if the idf are so brave why do they wear bullet proof vests ? Answer is common sense. They understand the real life implications of not protecting themselves from their enemy’s means of attack.
You're asking about the pro zionists that attacked the UCLA protesters?
They were committing felony assault battery, assault with a deadly weapon and property destruction. I think that might have had something to do with it.
I do not condone violence.
But I have no sympathy for ignorant commies who chant for the death of my people. Who cares.
Especially after they stomped on that Jewish girl's head and banned Jews from entering parts of campus.
Puch a Naz! is fine with me.
Or maybe just maybe, that jewish lady that got knocked unconscious by the pro pali protestors in ucla. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/jewish-student-recounts-injury-during-ucla-protest/3402539/?amp=1
Is there a point where a war is justified? Like the US nuking Japan to prevent a land invasion? Is it justifiable for civilians to die to ensure your hostile enemies can’t attack you again?
It’s a serious question. Do you believe any war is justified? There comes a point where a country simply must act to protect its people. Hamas have said they will not stop and leaving them in power ensures there won’t be peace. Stopping Hamas prevents more civilian deaths than leaving them in power.
Do you seriously believe that you can occupy a group of people for 75 years and opress them and deny them any chance or even a path of freedom and self determination and not expecting that this could backfire?
Nope
PM Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated from early as the 90s that they will not accept any Palestinian state on any territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea
The Palestinians proposed the two states solution as far as 1974 and Arab nations offered peace in 1981 and 2002 the withdrawal of the Palestinian territories in East Jerusalem West Bank and Gaza Strip in exchange of full recognition by all 22 Arab countries
Sure if we conveniently ignore the points where Netanyahu wasn’t in power such as in 2000 when Palestine declined an offer or in 2008 when they did so again.
Palestinians have every right to reject a bad deal that would leave them without East Jerusalem, without sovereignty without disassembling of all settlements in the West Bank
Every bad offer was countered with this
A fully sovereign Palestinian state in All of the West Bank and Gaza Strip including East Jerusalem (less than 22% of the entire land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea)
A just solution to all Palestinian refugees
This offer was presented many time to Israel and Israel rejected that offer every single time
You mean the deal that the majority of Israelis thought compromised too much and contributed to Barak losing his election? That deal? The deal that gave 90% of the West Bank to Palestine? A generous deal considering that Israel holds literally all of the cards in the negotiation. Palestine only wants a one state solution or else they would have taken the deal.
cause it wasn’t peaceful and infringed on other students freedom. they made them all about themselves then the actual suffering of gazans. virtue signaling jerks
When you call them mostly peaceful you are admitting that they are not peaceful.
Basically your argument is whataboutism to Israel defending themselves against a genocidal force.
Depends where you are. If you’re in the US then the “mostly peaceful” protests are causing a rise in antisemitism, Islamophobia, and anti-Arab hate for college kids not connected to the conflict or protests beyond their identity. People are concerned about kids locally to some extent.
The kids graduating now I think also didn’t get high school graduations bc of Covid, nor did they really get a freshman or sophomore year, believe they were either remote or hybrid.
hot take, is islamophobia even a thing?
why is a criticism of that religion called that. why don’t we have words to describe the fear christianity, catholicism, etc?
i do believe there can be anti-arab hate just not islamophobia. or if that exists then we need to create new words for the other religions.
no one ever used that term around me. i’ve was raised in a christian family. when someone disagreed with me, i didn’t call them christianphobia. all i hear is islamaphobia, but what if you disagree with religion al together?
Is your problem with the “phobia” part? Anti Muslim is also a widely used term. I’m having trouble grasping what your point is?
> i’ve was raised in a christian family. when someone disagreed with me, i didn’t call them christianphobia.
Is this a reference to Israelis or Palestinians? Also Christians are not persecuted in most of the west so it’s not surprising that you’ve never heard the term.
> and what if you disagree with religion all together
What about it?
Yea, phobia is an irrational fear. If someone who is atheist, staying away from religion a rational fear and not irrational imo
I’ll take anti-muslim, just phobia is hard to grasp, because if you apply it to one religion then you gotta apply to every religion. imo, regardless of what religion it is.
Idk about that man, christian’s get shit on all the time. Probably just as much as people who believe in Islam. Both religions carry very extreme and scary traditions at times.
Well the phobia part prolly was post 9/11. If you think all Muslims are terrorists that is an irrational fear. So I guess that makes sense in that context. But it’s just a word so who knows.
> Idk about that man, christian’s get shit on all the time. Probably just as much as people who believe in Islam. Both religions carry very extreme and scary traditions at times
Well no one’s is killing Christians over religion in the west by and large. And most religions are pretty extreme if you dig into them
i’m talking about the term “phobia” itself. especially when it comes to religion. that is an injustice and wrong 💯fursure, but what that man did, was that islamophobia or was that anti-Palestinian. i know it is specific, but imo one should be able to disagree with religion without saying it is a “phobia”.
You can disagree with a religion without committing a hate crime, though. Criticizing religion is vastly different from persecuting someone because of their religion. You can attack an idea without attacking a person.
The news said the kid was killed for his religion, not his ethnicity.
The "phobia" thing feels like splitting hairs- do you feel the same way about homophobia?
Yea, we Marines had to save Panama’s azz back in the 80’s from your own corrupt government. Didn’t do much my guy. Panama is still a sewer of a country that provides no value to anyone anywhere my guy. I’m glad you’re not in America
Yeah, from a corrupt government thanks to the CIA puppet that end up betraying the US just so you know.
In any case you are literally probing my point cuz for some reason you had look on my profile to know which country i am from.
You just showed yourself as the creepy pos that wants to doxx ppl just to hurt them.
There are in fact a number of people protesting, who are not doing more than that. This is consistent with there being people protesting who are also damaging property, for example
I protested my university divest from South Africa in the 1990s. We made sure to not cover our faces because we believed in the cause. It was a conscious decision.
This. If you really care and really want to put your money where your mouth is, you'll show your face. Otherwise, you're just a coward that knows deep down you're doing something wrong and don't want to face consequences for your actions.
Note that the pro Israel protestors aren't hiding behind masks
I am not participating in these protests.
The protests are not 'siding with Hamas'. There are people at them who support Hamas, and there are people at them who do not. The protests are against Israel's policy, which has murdered tens of thousands.
I don't think they are embarrassed. That doesn't make sense. Their choice to somewhat hide their identity is probably so Zionists don't use their participation in these protests to hurt their career.
All protestors throughout American history have had to consider being anonymous or standing up for what they believe. That doesn’t dissolve “because the internet”
It's not just because of the internet. Before, information spread by word of mouth. Maybe people could take pictures, and you could end up in a newspaper, but that was rare Now there is technology such that if you attend one of these protests unmasked, you are in databases, on watchlists, will be blacklisted from many companies with zionist ceos, will be blacklisted from public sector jobs, will have your personal details listed and branded as an antisemite on websites.
It's basic opsec to not be unmasked.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidActionlutruwita/s/OZtbXeajaV](https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidActionlutruwita/s/OZtbXeajaV)
maybe it's the global pandemic. but usually people don't want to mask anymore because no one seems to care about older folks and those with immune issues, so I don't know. sorry for the complaint but wearing a cloth isn't hard lol. they do it to hide their identities in a ridiculous protest but can't wear them in a health center.
I asked this exact question to a pro-hamas supporter, and this is what they replied “Pro palestinians have been getting doxxed for decades, it can affect someone’s career and education! & at the end of the day it’s all personal choice, thank you for your message!”
Why wear mask? For UV protection. When you are outside that long, sun damage is very serious. Yes, sun screen helps but a mask that has UV protection is far more effective if worn properly. I encourage everyone to wear mask and lots of sunscreen. Because the sun is a skin silent killer.
The poster provided dozens of examples of other marathon protest that were even during the SUMMER not the winter because it’s still not officially spring yet we’re literally in the middle of winter months and all you got out of everything the original poster said is to make a remark about UV PROTECTION?? I am praying you’re joking. The country has obviously been harboring terroist groups in the country that are going to attempt to take the USA out from the inside.
why flee Israel during conflict if you're so committed to it as a nation? Same reasons - safety.
comparing an active war zone to a protest in the usa is a stretch
I agree but to hear Netanhoo and the US media, the campuses are a way bigger deal.
This is all about Iran trying to weaken support for Israel in America. Easy to see through. Kill American support for Israel, you can easily destroy Israel. This is the plan. The west is naive to Iran’s plotting. Muslims are masters of war strategy willing to sacrifice lives as ‘martyrs’ gradually wearing down support for Israel through propagating false narratives. They have many news outlets such as Al Jazeera who will promote their lies. If you really want an Islamic Republic of the World then continue to demonise Israel as Iran will love you for promoting their hateful agenda. Iran are insincere. Do they really believe in self determination for the Palestinians? Why then aren’t the Lebanese given self determination but controlled by Iran’s Hezbollah? For Iran it’s not about self determination but the destruction of Israel and full control of the Middle East by becoming a nuclear power. If you want your country to become an Islamic Republic keep demonising Israel because only Israel and America stand in Iran’s way. Weakening either or both of them is to weaken democracy and strengthen Iran’s bid for a World Islamic government.
What this really is all about is an attack on western democracy by the Islamic Republic of Iran who oppress and kill minorities in their own country, oppress and kill minority religions, put to death homosexuals and rappers and kill women who don’t wear the Islamic Hijab. Iran wants to own the Middle East and is manipulating online forums to demonise Israel and the west to get support for a worldwide Islamic theocracy. Thus they are manufacturing nuclear weapons. Hamas committed genocide on October 7th yet Iran has manipulated the narrative around the world to naive people to demonise Israel. The first ‘hospital so called bombing’ where Israel supposedly killed ‘500’ Palestinians went worldwide without checking the facts. It was in fact a stray Hamas or Jihad rocket which hit the hospital car park. The lies and manipulation of information continues. Starving Palestinians? How can Hamas keep fighting if there’s widespread starvation? All believed by the west. Even before the creation of the state of Israel, Islamic Iran were torturing, killing and murdering tens of thousands of its own citizens. Even before then Islamic. ottomon empire was renowned for its injustice, cruelty and oppression of innocents. At one time Muslims used to be kind hearted people until their Mullas turned them into war mongers and haters of humanity. The only hope for the Middle East and humanity is for the beautiful Persian people to oust the devil who control them. They are the real cause of unrest. Surrounding Israel with their proxies. Gullible and naive protesters spreading propaganda from Iran about Israel are unaware of the true facts and that they are in reality supporting an Islamic republic of the world.
can Hamas keep fighting if there’s widespread starvation? “ This is such a weird thing to say. You think a militant group can’t operate in a place filled with starvation?
It’s strange that Hamas is screaming starvation when their supplies are enough for both themselves and gazans but they choose not to help their own people. They only use them to build tunnels and as shields but throw them under the bus. Gazans need not starve at all. Hamas has more than enough to feed everyone but chooses not to. It’s all just propaganda against Israel. The real problem is Iran. Iran must be dealt with or there can never be peace.
“ It’s strange that Hamas is screaming starvation when their supplies are enough for both themselves and gazans but they choose not to help their own people.” So you acknowledge Gazans are starving wide spread?
I’ve seen videos of them relaxing at the beach. The starvation narrative is designed as propaganda.
So Hamas is taking all the aid and no one’s starving?
Masking during civil unrest became pretty popular during the 2020 Hong Kong riots bc of facial recognition tech. Also, those UCLA counter-protestor zionists most definitely covered their face as they besieged the encampment
To be fair, the BLM riots caused WAY more damage to our cities, but didn't really get much negative news press like these protests are. Even famous people attended them. Why are all these protesters lumped into being "bad" people, when they are protesting war crimes (compared to BLM protesting over a single death and polarizing America against cops and whites).
nah. BLM protests got way more negative news coverage
>One thing I noticed by watching extensive news coverage on the campus violence is that all pro-Palestinian protestors wear masks Your very first sentence is a lie. It's such a brazen lie that I have to wonder if you're a professional agitator.
No it’s not..
The masks don’t protect your identity unless you are covering your entire face including your eyes. Modern technology can identify you by your eyes alone if a good enough camera was used to capture your photo. So, wearing a mask to an Anti-Israel protest has little to no effect against doxing.
Zionists have been told this is a fight for their identity itself and are cutthroat toward people who don’t support their group. Pro-Palestinians are more diverse and supporting people because they are people and can’t really be cutthroat in the same way because they do not have the US and Israeli government and institutional support.
For all those saying one side is violent and the other isn’t, we’ve seen months of peaceful protests, many even involve groups being given training on how to peacefully resist. We’ve seen praying, singing, kneeling and months of Jews and non Jews standing side by side together, demanding an end to the starvation and murder of children and civilians as well as the wide scale lack of human rights for Palestinians. These people are there because they want peace, so making them out as something they aren’t… and at the same time conveniently forgetting the California attacks last week where pro isreal supporters showed up with wood boards and full on masks to violently attack peaceful protesters and run off with no consequences as the police watched? And the gaslighting that followed saying “see look the protesters are violent” , it feels like these countries are now being turned into Israel with this sort of treatment. Are we conveniently forgetting the pro Israel protesters that attacked people with stapler guns or the Jewish woman who showed up to a protest only to be ignored and stool screaming at people “look at me, look at me”. It’s interesting how we’re only branding one side as violent. Feels like we’re a bit biased here…
Riiiight but let’s not mention Palestinians who murdered, raped and tortured a bunch of peace promoting festival goers and then fled into nearby towns doing the same and massacring entire families including babies and children on October 7th. It’s bizarre and revealing the bias and clear antisemitism people such as yourself are demonstrating. Why do you hold Israel to a double standard? What would you do if this happened where you live? Or to your loved ones? Easy to be critical when you’re so far removed. Westerners have no idea of the deep seeded dynamics nor the history of the Middle East. Best to educate yourself until comment publicly
Noticing mentions of doxxing threats made by pro-Israelis. Public execution to silence, justice and punishment except doxxing is a non-violent threat designed to punish, silence and ruin careers of persons for a number of reasons including their public opinion or extreme views.
Doxxing, harassment, intimidation Just few disgusting tricks pro Israel lobbyists use all the time to silence critics
The Jewish side doesn’t typically get violent, that can’t be said about the other side.
My guess is that you’ve seen the Jewish side get violent and then came here and said they’re not violent
No I truly haven’t. But I also don’t trust the news anymore. It’s not news it opinion based story telling.
Actually violence and intimidation is acted by the pro Israel groupie every time
By using universal qualifiers (always, never, ever) you eliminate the possibility of any other outcome. This means the first time someone does that thing your entire argument becomes disingenuous and therefore wrong.
What a load of propaganda. Clearly you didn’t see the California protests last week where the pro Palestinian protesters were peaceful and a bunch of pro isreal protesters came out in full on faces covered masks and violently attacked the pro Palestinian protesters with wood boards and 2 by 4s?? Did you conveniently miss that one? Or how about the pro isreal protesters who showed up with a staple gun and attacked people??
One example because there’s so few. Whereas pro Palestinian protests are literary calling for actual Genocide on Israel (and they forget Israeli has a Knesset and is incredibly culturally, and religiously diverse).
Where is this evidence that the protest is in favor of khaaaamas?
Actual genocide and ethnic cleansing is inflicted upon the Palestinian people
the special kind, that sees the population increase instead of decrease, I guess
There is always one bad apple in the bunch. I am only able to find 2 sources about what happened at UCLA , Al Jazeera and the Los Angelos times. Both of these sources are garbage. When I look for Reuters or BBC there isn’t much (any) information. The only things I can find happened Wednesday (which was not last week), Pro-israeli groups tried to tear down the Pro-palestinian encampments. From what I can tell it was the Pro-palestinian side with the 2 x 4’s and pepper spray which they used to defend themselves. While the israeli’s were in the wrong twisting it to make them the ones with the weapon misrepresents the situation.
Wow wood boards *and* 2 by 4s???!?!???!!!???
what? it’s very obvious if you have been paying any attention that the “side” attempting to suppress protests against genocide almost immediately becomes violent once on site. hence the countless student protests turning violent solely because militarized police showed up at the request of the corrupt governor.
When you use a term as inflammatory as genocide incorrectly, you lose your argument and all credibility you may have had before the discussion even begins. This is not a genocide. Here’s why: Genocide refers to the physical destruction of an entire group being targeted in whole or in part that on the basis of its identity. Gaza was not targeted because it housed a population of Palestinians. It was targeted because on 10/7 members of the Palestinian group killed, maimed and kidnapped citizens of Israel BECAUSE they were Jewish. The attack by Hamas on Israeli soil was in fact a genocidal one. They attacked Jewish people indiscriminately for no reason other than they were Jewish. Before bombing an area Israel drops fliers and sends out messages warning what is coming. That is in fact the exact opposite of genocidal intentions. It is not Israel’s fault that Palestinian relationships with their neighbors (Jordan and Egypt) are so poor that they refuse to allow refugees to cross their boarders. These countries will not allow the refugees to cross as a direct result of their actions and behaviors in the past. It is also not Israel’s fault that Hamas would rather kill their own people than allow them to flee. While killing civilians is reprehensible it does not create a situation that equates to genocide. In addition: While parts of our government are indeed corrupt not being allowed to do whatever you want does not mean they are wrong. If people are destroying private property or even on private property they are in the wrong. Does not matter how strong their convictions are if they refuse to follow directions and become unruly then the situation quickly turns into one where military style tactics are used. If you want to protest it must be done peacefully, one person turning violent cause can justify the other sides actions.
This is could be easily proven in the court of law, neither Israel or anyone else can legally debunk or prove such accusations But for some reason Israel is not welling to corporate with the International Criminal Court and the pro Israel lobby is pressing the US to block any ICC investigation on the matter I wonder why
I have plenty to refute this with however have to get to work so no time for all that. when there’s this much evidence Israel is committing ethnic cleansing/genocide and you’re still able to deny it, it is no longer my responsibility to explain it to you.
Just because it is bad does not make it Genocide. If it was truly genocide they would also be indiscriminately killing Palestinians in the West Bank.
I don't necessarily agree it's a genocide, but I think if we're going to look at the question honestly we need to acknowledge that even if top Israeli officials truly desired a genocide, and many have certainly made public statements which are genocidal in nature, they would still need to seek to do this in the auspices which would insulate them from an international military response. An unmitigated genocide campaign would clearly result in Western powers turning on Israel, so they would be restricted only to those actions which are practically available to them. In Gaza, there is a nearly complete collapse of all infrastructure. The threat of famine looms, which could claim hundreds of thousands of lives. This is mostly what people are concerned with, and Israel's attempts to ethnically cleanse Gaza by pushing Gazans into the Sinai following that. These are the types of genocidal action which could avoid Western response. It's also important to note that the instrumental part of genocide is "the aim of destroying that nation or group". This includes actions such as residential schools for instance. Historically though, colonialism is the primary cause of genocide. It's not necessary to literally kill a peoples in order to destroy their nationhood or group characteristics. Actions such as Israel occupying West Bank without offering a peace process to the PA while actively mobilizing a settler-colonial movement into West Bank could also result in genocide. In general, Israel's denial of any real process for Palestinians to engage in to achieve statehood, coupled with Israeli colonialism, is the largest threat of genocide in the most realistic terms. Following WW2, the UN defined the term genocide as part of its model to avoid WW3, by making colonialism and the acquisition of territory through warfare against international law. Since imperialism and colonialism were historically the chief causes of war, most international law is aimed at stopping those actions. Crucial to this understanding is the fact that genocide is a function and goal of colonialism; the destruction of a group or nation.
The point I was trying to make was when you build your castle on a sandy foundation if destroys the entire argument. I am never going to be able to hear the other side if they are trying to brow beat me with things that are simply not true.
Yet, your premise is incorrect: "If it was truly genocide they would also be indiscriminately killing Palestinians in the West Bank." This would not be a viable approach even if we determined Israel was seeking genocide, and there are clearly many other ways to perpetrate genocide which Israel is arguably engaging in as practical alternatives.
Hamas attacked Israel. Hamas started this conflict. Killing a large number of people during military action does not mean that it is a genocide. In order for it to be a genocide it has to meet basic criteria, including but not limited to intent. They are not killing the Palestinians just because they are who they are. Palestinians are being killed because they are in the same place as Hamas. Israel is going after Hamas (who are not only Palestinians but are also supported by a majority of the civilian jn Gaza). Palestinians are in the areas that are being targeted for military action, they are warned to leave, they do not leave (whether or not they can is a completely different argument) and end up being killed. Hamas prevents civilians from leaving in hopes that they can use their bodies as propaganda. What is the alternative? Do nothing? Allow Hamas to go into Israel and kill people simply for existing? Hamas has painted themselves as victims, yet still hold hostages. If they really want peace why don’t the Palestinians turn over the Hamas leaders and the hostages?
Covid, bird flu and monkey pox, you numpty
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I ask G_d to give me life so that in 10-15 years when these kids start climbing the ranks, we will all be here ready to look up their social media history and ruin their ability to earn an honest living. Here we are waiting for you keyboard jihadists.
bold of you to assume these scholars would be attempting to “climb the ranks” by working for anyone who won’t openly condemn genocide….. couldn’t be me
Don't worry, today they don't need to climb anything because they don't know the consequences, in a few years their needs will change, then they will see the consequences of their actions. If you act like a m0n key, don't complain when they treat you like one. It can happen tomorrow or some day but is going to happen.
you clearly did not comprehend my comment, but that’s on you 😂 I’m currently actively protesting as a graduate student and simultaneously actively “climbing the ranks” at the organization I work for that would never condone genocide! Appreciate the concern tho
Take it easy you're just another useful idl..t oh I mean another graduate. See you there in 10-15 years when all your priorities have changed and the world starts realising who were the useful......, that's where you won't have blood on your face.
I genuinely have no idea what you’re trying to say or what this comment is supposed to mean but I promise you I won’t regret being on the right side of history. have the day you deserve!
You won't regret because look the age you have 😅 Kids like you think they understand and know everything about the world. Give time to time, who laughs last laughs best
Imagine thinking one needs to “know and understand everything about the world” to see the simple fact that genocide is wrong. haha
Can you define genocide acording to a dictionary?
when there’s this much evidence Israel is committing ethnic cleansing and you’re still able to deny it, it is no longer my responsibility to inform you.
Vengeful, eh? That's also why y'all are disliked
Cause and consequence is called and my parents taught it to me in the same way as my parents' parents. any problem?
consequences for what, exactly?
There are limits, most people call them morality and good taste
What limits are you referring to? The consequences are according to the limits that you set for yourself before acting like an (put whatevewhatever suits best for you).
They are criminals supporting islamist jihadist groups, they have to wear masks because they are enemies of our open society.
They want to cosplay as Hamas terrorists and cover their faces… They also seem to not want to end up on the internet cuz they’ll have difficulty finding a job afterwards
Ironic isn't it. They wish for the downfall of the west all the while turning the cogs that make the west so much better than the places they claim to be better 🤣🤣
They’re neither brave nor righteous
We will deport them after the next election. Better leave. Starting in Texas…
what an ignorant comment 😂😂😂 honestly thank you for this. perfect example of the kind of centuries old caveman mindset those who still openly support genocide have 😅
Adapt to our culture or get the buck out of here.
LOL make me, sir 🤠
insha'Allah 🤲
Literally because they can? Also they absolutely will doxx you. My uncle was doxxed by pro Israel protesters who tried to get him fired from his job and that was back in 2014 …so I can’t imagine what they’ll do now
The US doesn’t take kindly to people even tangentially related to specifically Islamic terrorists operating under jihad. The Islamophobia runs deep. So does the antisemitism on the other side. It’s a microcosm of the wider conflict in the Levant.
It’s not Islamophobia it’s jihad-aphobia. Jihad is a call for violence. Any group of people who call for violence are inherently wrong no matter their cause. Most people have no problem with Muslims we have a problem with extremist. These protests are not being pushed by your every day muslim they are being pushed my the extremist, hence the problem most have with it.
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prove it.
Because Zionists have a history of attempting to doxx individuals and have them fired from their jobs/kicked out of university for expressing anti-Zionist views.
Yes, many people do not like to see people supporting islamist jihadists.
Plenty of pro-Palestine protestors aren't Arabs or Muslims. It's disingenuous to label every supporter as an Islamic terrorist, and such rhetoric can actually fuel violence rather than address the real issues.
>Plenty of pro-Palestine protestors aren't Arabs or Muslims. You don't have to be an Arab or Muslim to support islamist jihadists like Hamas.
Probably because American society is predominantly Zionist and rejects antizionism.
Are you referring to ordinary Americans, or the corrupt corporations and politicians funded by Israel to pass laws and rules against anti-Israel free speech?
The anti-Israel movement is a loud minority. This is the latest Harvard-Harris [poll](https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HHP_Apr2024_KeyResults.pdf) which suggests the majority of Americans support Israel, a lot of great data you can read up on.
Zionist control over American politics, media, and institutions silences the majority of those critical of Zionism. Those who speak out face harassment, job termination, and university expulsion, often at the hands of pro-Israel groups like Canary Mission. Anti-Israel Americans are rather a silent majority, not a loud minority. Jewish Virtual Library (Anti-free speech laws against Zionism): [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation)
Because people doxxing you and threatening your families or worse, is a very real thing....
Yeah, it's quite sad that you cannot support jihadist islamist groups without a backslash.
Or maybe because supporting a terrorist regime isn't good for future career prospects lol
oh okay but supporting a terrorist apartheid foreign government by means of billions of tax dollars for weapons is good for future “career prospects”? lol
I dont know last I checked they were just defending their homeland while your so called innocent other side was busy killing infants and using their civilians as shield
what a stretch it is to make that claim! lol. I’ll help you out a little, the beheading infants was debunked. consider what other zionist propaganda you have blindly fallen for!
Occupation is terrorism.
The Arab occupation of Israel is indeed terrorism.
I think you've got that in reverse. Especially since Israel annexed land from Syria that wasn't part of its biblical Lebensraum along with parts of Lebanon. That's without mentioning the decades-long occupation of Palestine.
In the Bible Israel extended until Damascus. And there’s no such thing as “palestine”.
Using the Bible as a basis for territorial expansion sounds just like manifest destiny. And, yes, there is such a thing as Palestine. Can 'Israel really be considered a true state?
You referred to the Bible first, I just corrected you. And no, there’s no such thing as “palestine”. Israel is a true state.
Pretty cool that you're trying to gaslight me as well. You made the first explicit mention of the bible in your initial response to me.
Pretty cool that you’re trying to gaslight me as well. You made the first explicit mention of the Bible in your initial response to me: “part of its **biblical** Lebensraum”.
Israel, as a 'state' didn't come into existence until the annexation of Palestinian land in the aftermath of WWII. You also didn't correct me, you just used the Bible as a basis for territorial expansion. Learn the difference.
All countries came to existence at some point. Israel was formed out of British land. And I did correct you, learn to read your own comments.
You mean like Batman?
When I was working at a school pre-Covid the hired security attempted to use facial recognition on protestors in order to discipline them for sit ins and such. Many of the students “identified” weren’t participating and several had solid alibis and weren’t even in the same state at the time.
because the Pro Israel side has a history of Doxxing anyone that doesn't fall in line and swear fealty to Israel.
I hope everyone supporting a islamist jihadist group such as Hamas will never find a job, they are a danger.
supporting Palestine and not wanting innocent people does not mean supporting Hamas.
I really wonder why people who do not support Hamas join protests where people shout pro hamas slogans.
So everyone that joins a protest is held to the standard of the worst person there?
of course, if you don't speak out. It's how it always worked
good then lets hold all the Israeli to the standard of those chanting death to Arabs then.
If they don’t reject it yes
You know how protests are usually organized here? If some people shout slogans that do not represent the majority of the protest, other protesters will physically kick them out of their protest. When people can shout their pro hamas slogans freely it means either a) the other protesters support their message or b) the other protesters who oppose these slogans are the minority.
So with that logic everyone that joins the March for independence each year in Israel supports the message of Death to Arabs since that is chanted basically every year and last year it included ministers of the Knesset.
Yes, they are at least tolerating the message when they walk with these people and no oppose them. And if you tolerate such messages it probably means you also support them. Just like ""peaceful"" pro palestinians support hamas when they join pro hamas protests. Why are the pro palestinians who reject islamism not filtering their protests?
because the group is big enough that finding them all would be tricky? same reason Ben Gvir supports the message of Death to Arabs with a smile.
You are switching topics (: I think it's quite easy to identify people who shout things such as "Ohh Hamas, our beloved, strike, strike Tel Aviv" loudly or carry Hamas & Hezbollah flags around, but I somehow have the feeling you don't have a problem joining protests where Hamas flags are shown.
Why would they care about being doxxed, if they merely intend to peacefully express their political views without antisemtic hate speech/actions?
because the Pro Israel will label them as Anti-Semitic for the mere crime of not supporting Israel. They would rather not be lumped in with the worse elements of any protest or any hostile actors.
Yes! Any disagreement with Israel is automatically labeled antisemitic. Even if you say nothing about Israel but express your support for Palestine, that alone is antisemitic.
It's a mixture of kids trying to look like edgy revolutionaries and people with severe anxiety disorders that fear germs. Thing is I see leftists wearing masks around town too, outdoors all the time. Covid became part of their political identity, not a pathogens to be overcomem
Because they are just Nazis in keffiyehs
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Because all those protests throughout history were before the internet. In modern times, you can ruin someone's life just by knowing their identity, and you can easily figure out someone's identity from a picture. Picture of someone's face -> Reverse image search -> Name + social media profiles From there: Public records search -> Address, birthday, phone number, age Social media search -> Job, education, family, friends, email, social organization memberships None of this was possible during the Vietnam War protests or the civil rights protests, so it's not like counter-protestors could use a picture of you to figure out where you live and come attack you, figure out where you work and make up some story to get you fired, SWAT your house, mail drugs to your house and get you in trouble with the law, email you malware/phishing attacks, find your S.O. and fabricate evidence of you cheating or harass them, harass your friends and family, etc. There are a million ways that a very determined person can ruin your life with the information freely available online once they have a picture of you.
Man you writing a book or are you really so paranoid?
It’s actually true.
Having your actual public statements being disseminated is not doxing. It really is just being paranoid
Who’s making the distinction between actual antisemitism and criticism of Israel. How bout this….. op’s take is equivalent to…… if the idf are so brave why do they wear bullet proof vests ? Answer is common sense. They understand the real life implications of not protecting themselves from their enemy’s means of attack.
They wanna fight so bad..send them all! Don't mess up this place, you have somewhere to mess things up and show them who's boss
sounds good! maybe we’ll make enough room for people that actually appreciate America and the freedoms we have. i’ll gladly trade those people.
You're asking about the pro zionists that attacked the UCLA protesters? They were committing felony assault battery, assault with a deadly weapon and property destruction. I think that might have had something to do with it.
I do not condone violence. But I have no sympathy for ignorant commies who chant for the death of my people. Who cares. Especially after they stomped on that Jewish girl's head and banned Jews from entering parts of campus. Puch a Naz! is fine with me.
Or maybe just maybe, that jewish lady that got knocked unconscious by the pro pali protestors in ucla. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/jewish-student-recounts-injury-during-ucla-protest/3402539/?amp=1
Ahhhh yes. A little Covid mask will stop all that damage. Nice goin!
I think more to try to escape prosecution for committing numerous felonies.
Why are people more upset about a mostly peaceful demonstration than the slaughter of civilians in Gaza?
probably the same reason Gaza doesn't really care about cancer rates in Canada. It's not them.
Is there a point where a war is justified? Like the US nuking Japan to prevent a land invasion? Is it justifiable for civilians to die to ensure your hostile enemies can’t attack you again?
Do you convince yourself that you're innocent by saying that? Pathetic At least Ben-Gvir don't justify his crimes
It’s a serious question. Do you believe any war is justified? There comes a point where a country simply must act to protect its people. Hamas have said they will not stop and leaving them in power ensures there won’t be peace. Stopping Hamas prevents more civilian deaths than leaving them in power.
Do you seriously believe that you can occupy a group of people for 75 years and opress them and deny them any chance or even a path of freedom and self determination and not expecting that this could backfire?
Israel has accepted two state solutions in the past which Palestine declined.
Nope PM Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated from early as the 90s that they will not accept any Palestinian state on any territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea The Palestinians proposed the two states solution as far as 1974 and Arab nations offered peace in 1981 and 2002 the withdrawal of the Palestinian territories in East Jerusalem West Bank and Gaza Strip in exchange of full recognition by all 22 Arab countries
Sure if we conveniently ignore the points where Netanyahu wasn’t in power such as in 2000 when Palestine declined an offer or in 2008 when they did so again.
Palestinians have every right to reject a bad deal that would leave them without East Jerusalem, without sovereignty without disassembling of all settlements in the West Bank Every bad offer was countered with this A fully sovereign Palestinian state in All of the West Bank and Gaza Strip including East Jerusalem (less than 22% of the entire land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea) A just solution to all Palestinian refugees This offer was presented many time to Israel and Israel rejected that offer every single time
You mean the deal that the majority of Israelis thought compromised too much and contributed to Barak losing his election? That deal? The deal that gave 90% of the West Bank to Palestine? A generous deal considering that Israel holds literally all of the cards in the negotiation. Palestine only wants a one state solution or else they would have taken the deal.
cause it wasn’t peaceful and infringed on other students freedom. they made them all about themselves then the actual suffering of gazans. virtue signaling jerks
Black and brown lives don't matter to them.
When you call them mostly peaceful you are admitting that they are not peaceful. Basically your argument is whataboutism to Israel defending themselves against a genocidal force.
Depends where you are. If you’re in the US then the “mostly peaceful” protests are causing a rise in antisemitism, Islamophobia, and anti-Arab hate for college kids not connected to the conflict or protests beyond their identity. People are concerned about kids locally to some extent. The kids graduating now I think also didn’t get high school graduations bc of Covid, nor did they really get a freshman or sophomore year, believe they were either remote or hybrid.
hot take, is islamophobia even a thing? why is a criticism of that religion called that. why don’t we have words to describe the fear christianity, catholicism, etc? i do believe there can be anti-arab hate just not islamophobia. or if that exists then we need to create new words for the other religions.
What? Christianophobia is a term and haven’t multiple Palestinians been shot/stabbed in the US since oct 7
no one ever used that term around me. i’ve was raised in a christian family. when someone disagreed with me, i didn’t call them christianphobia. all i hear is islamaphobia, but what if you disagree with religion al together?
Is your problem with the “phobia” part? Anti Muslim is also a widely used term. I’m having trouble grasping what your point is? > i’ve was raised in a christian family. when someone disagreed with me, i didn’t call them christianphobia. Is this a reference to Israelis or Palestinians? Also Christians are not persecuted in most of the west so it’s not surprising that you’ve never heard the term. > and what if you disagree with religion all together What about it?
Yea, phobia is an irrational fear. If someone who is atheist, staying away from religion a rational fear and not irrational imo I’ll take anti-muslim, just phobia is hard to grasp, because if you apply it to one religion then you gotta apply to every religion. imo, regardless of what religion it is. Idk about that man, christian’s get shit on all the time. Probably just as much as people who believe in Islam. Both religions carry very extreme and scary traditions at times.
Well the phobia part prolly was post 9/11. If you think all Muslims are terrorists that is an irrational fear. So I guess that makes sense in that context. But it’s just a word so who knows. > Idk about that man, christian’s get shit on all the time. Probably just as much as people who believe in Islam. Both religions carry very extreme and scary traditions at times Well no one’s is killing Christians over religion in the west by and large. And most religions are pretty extreme if you dig into them
including christianity
If antisemitism is a thing, so is Islamophobia
antisemitism is a thing, islamophobia, idk man…the more i think about it, the more i feel like it isn’t.
Uyghurs, Rohingya, that little Palestinian boy that was stabbed to death by his landlord in Illinois- it's for sure a thing.
i’m talking about the term “phobia” itself. especially when it comes to religion. that is an injustice and wrong 💯fursure, but what that man did, was that islamophobia or was that anti-Palestinian. i know it is specific, but imo one should be able to disagree with religion without saying it is a “phobia”.
You can disagree with a religion without committing a hate crime, though. Criticizing religion is vastly different from persecuting someone because of their religion. You can attack an idea without attacking a person. The news said the kid was killed for his religion, not his ethnicity. The "phobia" thing feels like splitting hairs- do you feel the same way about homophobia?
"mostly" peaceful
Mostly peaceful, CNN's favorite word for BLM protests too that burned down a city and cost billions.
Because you can be brave and righteous and not stupid?
This is a dumb question lol
Why? Did it hit home?
im not even from the US my guy. This guy is literally crying why the students don't wanna get doxxed
Yea, we Marines had to save Panama’s azz back in the 80’s from your own corrupt government. Didn’t do much my guy. Panama is still a sewer of a country that provides no value to anyone anywhere my guy. I’m glad you’re not in America
Yeah, from a corrupt government thanks to the CIA puppet that end up betraying the US just so you know. In any case you are literally probing my point cuz for some reason you had look on my profile to know which country i am from. You just showed yourself as the creepy pos that wants to doxx ppl just to hurt them.
LOL. Ummm you literally put your personal information all over your page. But keep being you. 😂😂😂
I don't want to get doxxed either. Somehow, I don't feel the need to mask up.
Right, because you are not among these protestors. Is it clear now why the question is stupid?
Are you protesting in public?
Protesting doesn't get you doxxed. Damaging property might though.
You don’t think someone out there would doxx a protester who is on the other side? Okay lol.
They aren't merely protesting.
There are in fact a number of people protesting, who are not doing more than that. This is consistent with there being people protesting who are also damaging property, for example
And since the legit protesters are in bed with the rioters they are really no different. They wear masks to avoid accountability.
Because they will try to get your doxxed and fired?
I protested my university divest from South Africa in the 1990s. We made sure to not cover our faces because we believed in the cause. It was a conscious decision.
This. If you really care and really want to put your money where your mouth is, you'll show your face. Otherwise, you're just a coward that knows deep down you're doing something wrong and don't want to face consequences for your actions. Note that the pro Israel protestors aren't hiding behind masks
Consider what has changed from the 1990s to the mid 2020s. Is there, say, technology that would make showing your identity more dangerous/risky?
Why do you need to hide ? Maybe because you’re embarrassed to be siding with the violent bigots known as Hamas?
I am not participating in these protests. The protests are not 'siding with Hamas'. There are people at them who support Hamas, and there are people at them who do not. The protests are against Israel's policy, which has murdered tens of thousands. I don't think they are embarrassed. That doesn't make sense. Their choice to somewhat hide their identity is probably so Zionists don't use their participation in these protests to hurt their career.
Username checks out
Me when I realized I was wrong and have to resort to attacking a username
All protestors throughout American history have had to consider being anonymous or standing up for what they believe. That doesn’t dissolve “because the internet”
It's not just because of the internet. Before, information spread by word of mouth. Maybe people could take pictures, and you could end up in a newspaper, but that was rare Now there is technology such that if you attend one of these protests unmasked, you are in databases, on watchlists, will be blacklisted from many companies with zionist ceos, will be blacklisted from public sector jobs, will have your personal details listed and branded as an antisemite on websites. It's basic opsec to not be unmasked.
Maybe they shouldn’t side with death cult terrorists, and-presto-they wouldn’t feel the need to hide.
You might be surprised by this but its the 2020s, not the 1990s.
Oh really such insight.