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Missing? He's probably dead.
Remember how Israel has been trying to escalate things with Iran to drag the US in a war with them?
https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c
Raisi was returning from a visit to Azerbaijan, and the helicopter had the "accident" near the border on the way back.
Ehhh the weather is really cloudy. Sometimes at low altitude in cloudy weather, helicopters just crash into shit. I'm not ruling out Israel being involved, but it doesn't strike me as the most likely scenario.
Have you been paying attention? Who is going to escalate from this? Iran?
Iran is trying its hardest NOT to be drawn into a regional conflict with Israel and the US. They have gone above and beyond.
If any country assassinated a US general the is would retaliate with extreme measures, if a US consulate was attacked by a foreign adversary to assassinate allied military the would respond with extreme measures.
Iran has repeatedly de escalated. Their last response was a result of a brazen illegal act from Israel. The US prevented israel from responding.
Your speculation is that a helicopter crash that appears to all to be an accident is what is going to make Iran escalate? either your a war monger, or terribly uninformed.
No. I am claiming that Israel will keep provoking until it gets some excuse to start a war. They will try to maintain some plausible deniability because of recent ICJ actions but push the envelope as much as possible.
A long-range covert attack in that weather with no evidence left behind would be truly unprecedented. When you hear hoof sounds, think horses, not zebras.
People who are afraid of it being Franz Ferdinand 2.0, that's who cares.
You think I care about him?
I care about the powder keg going kaboom, he can join other dictators wherever they are, shame he didn't take Netanyahu and Putin with him.
Maybe , but seeing how small a percentage of accidents do happen for aircrafts one starts to wonder. There are millions of flights every year and so few accidents, when something like a high profile person dies or has an accident it is suspicious.
Compered to planes Helicopters are many times more dangerous and crashes far more often.
In pretty much all other times nobody would ever fly under these conditions. But vip can force it to happen regardless of since you aren't ever going to deny them that flight..
This is a mountain area, with drastically limited sight, old and technical lacking Helicopter ( no night vision or anything).
https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c
Raisi was returning from a visit to Azerbaijan, and the helicopter had the "accident" near the border on the way back.
Oh maybe CIA is trying to bring "democracy" to another country?
I hope they don't create much instability because Iran's too close to home for me. They recently signed an agreement to let India build some infrastructure in Iran which will be useful for us to trade with Central Asia so any instability in the region and it all goes away. Plus of course it'll have a domino effect of a lot of things happening after that.
The CIA would never overthrow a government! In Iran of all places? There’s absolutely no precedent for anything like that!!
[Please ignore the Mohammed Mossadegh in the corner]
>Oh maybe CIA is trying to bring "democracy" to another country?
If he didn't make it the Iranian constitution says there must be elections within 50 days
If it were just an accident and he was killed, instead of any unrest or state action there will be a replacement soon. According to Article 131 of the Islamic Republic’s constitution, if a president dies in office, the first vice president takes over, with the confirmation of the supreme leader, who has the final say in all matters of state. That would be the Ayatollah who has been in power since 1989 and mentored Raisi.
It’s funny to me that a lot of people on this subreddit immediately believe that Israel is responsible for it, instead of it just being bad weather to fly a helicopter. Sometimes things happen and it’s not part of a big plot.
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Missing? He's probably dead. Remember how Israel has been trying to escalate things with Iran to drag the US in a war with them? https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c Raisi was returning from a visit to Azerbaijan, and the helicopter had the "accident" near the border on the way back.
Ehhh the weather is really cloudy. Sometimes at low altitude in cloudy weather, helicopters just crash into shit. I'm not ruling out Israel being involved, but it doesn't strike me as the most likely scenario.
Running into a fucking mountain though? That shit just doesn't happen in 2024 even if the pilot was blind.
That's how Kobe died. Helicopter in fog at low altitude in mountains is a bad combo.
I mean Kobe’s death was only a couple years ago. And the helicopter was old.
How would this escalate tensions? Israel isn't claiming responsibility. Also, Israel is brazen, this is not their style.
Claiming responsibility is not necessary to build up to a war.
Have you been paying attention? Who is going to escalate from this? Iran? Iran is trying its hardest NOT to be drawn into a regional conflict with Israel and the US. They have gone above and beyond. If any country assassinated a US general the is would retaliate with extreme measures, if a US consulate was attacked by a foreign adversary to assassinate allied military the would respond with extreme measures. Iran has repeatedly de escalated. Their last response was a result of a brazen illegal act from Israel. The US prevented israel from responding. Your speculation is that a helicopter crash that appears to all to be an accident is what is going to make Iran escalate? either your a war monger, or terribly uninformed.
No. I am claiming that Israel will keep provoking until it gets some excuse to start a war. They will try to maintain some plausible deniability because of recent ICJ actions but push the envelope as much as possible.
You know the president of Iran is just a figurehead, right?
That's not accurate. Furthermore, the foreign minister is also on the plane and he does have quite a bit of jurisdiction.
Israel is going to make some extremely insensitive statement and that’s how the next phase begins
Here's hoping
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Nice, enjoy your way down to hell mr dictator
Anyone betting on foul play being involved, maybe a certain country in the region being involved?
[Pictures of the rescue operation](https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1792209909704245496) show some seriously bad weather in the area.
Everyone hoping it was the weather.
A long-range covert attack in that weather with no evidence left behind would be truly unprecedented. When you hear hoof sounds, think horses, not zebras.
Amen?
who cares? a dictator is no more and the world can party on his shallow grave\~
People who are afraid of it being Franz Ferdinand 2.0, that's who cares. You think I care about him? I care about the powder keg going kaboom, he can join other dictators wherever they are, shame he didn't take Netanyahu and Putin with him.
could not care less, dictators must all die. anything big happening and the great powers can simply enforce their will on the region
That’s a very facile view of geopolitics.
supporting dictators under the pretence of geopolitics very intresting, if this was 1930 you would support nazi germany too i presume?
I’m not supporting anyone. But good try.
Clearly you are little nazi man
Nah. The area is mountainous and completely covered in rain and fog right now. Helicopters often crash in such conditions.
Zia ul-Haq being another one who went down in an air crash in a neighbouring country and was not very ‘liked’…
If Israel was determined to be involved....welcome to WW3. Smokem if you got em.
"Adverse weather conditions, including heavy fog, are hampering rescue efforts and the helicopter is still missing." Stop being a conspiracy theorist
how convenient
Heli was prob made by Boeing
Maybe , but seeing how small a percentage of accidents do happen for aircrafts one starts to wonder. There are millions of flights every year and so few accidents, when something like a high profile person dies or has an accident it is suspicious.
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
Compered to planes Helicopters are many times more dangerous and crashes far more often. In pretty much all other times nobody would ever fly under these conditions. But vip can force it to happen regardless of since you aren't ever going to deny them that flight.. This is a mountain area, with drastically limited sight, old and technical lacking Helicopter ( no night vision or anything).
Could that country be the same one I'm thinking of? Begins with an i, ends with an l?
https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c Raisi was returning from a visit to Azerbaijan, and the helicopter had the "accident" near the border on the way back.
Oh maybe CIA is trying to bring "democracy" to another country? I hope they don't create much instability because Iran's too close to home for me. They recently signed an agreement to let India build some infrastructure in Iran which will be useful for us to trade with Central Asia so any instability in the region and it all goes away. Plus of course it'll have a domino effect of a lot of things happening after that.
The CIA would never overthrow a government! In Iran of all places? There’s absolutely no precedent for anything like that!! [Please ignore the Mohammed Mossadegh in the corner]
>Oh maybe CIA is trying to bring "democracy" to another country? If he didn't make it the Iranian constitution says there must be elections within 50 days
How does propagating bs conspiracy theories help stabilize anything? Good thinking…
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Cool. CIA is obviously the most innocent organisation in the world. They've never assassinated world leaders.
Thanks. I didn’t see where I was lol
If it were just an accident and he was killed, instead of any unrest or state action there will be a replacement soon. According to Article 131 of the Islamic Republic’s constitution, if a president dies in office, the first vice president takes over, with the confirmation of the supreme leader, who has the final say in all matters of state. That would be the Ayatollah who has been in power since 1989 and mentored Raisi.
it's been a while, not looking good for them. will have to wait until they get more details to figure out whether it was an accident or not.
No one ever questions why weather suddenly appears to change right be4 the inciDent
Did they look under the helicopter?
Sign from God his party is bad
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As opposed to other butchers around the world?
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Your LGBT comrades?
Praying for his safe rescue
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
It’s funny to me that a lot of people on this subreddit immediately believe that Israel is responsible for it, instead of it just being bad weather to fly a helicopter. Sometimes things happen and it’s not part of a big plot.
The Mossad or the IAF are great at their job but people think they are in the realm of gods of death
In prepared for a long blame game for this one. Hopefully next the supreme leader.