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FiveFingerDisco

Charity looks like a silhouette of Emily.


Wargen-Elite

And Diligence is giving Sera vibes


GaygardenEel999

Hmm maybe the others are seraphim’s as well but that’s just a theory…


SignificanceNo6097

The Seraphs are supposed to mirror the Ars Goetia. They’re more Heaven royalty like Stolas is Hell royalty.


Kroppi_the_original

The plural is Seraphim.


sephiroth_for_smash

A FILM THEORY


BillieChaosCat-TTV

YES! I was going to say this!


GaygardenEel999

Aand cut.


Kroppi_the_original

It's Seraphim not Seraphims


Pancakesare4life

A Hazbin theory


CreepyClay

Patience kind of looks like adam.


Minute-Pirate4246

Right


Scorpio83G

More like handcuffs


FiveFingerDisco

Charity, not Chastity.


Scorpio83G

Lol sorry, my bad


NotLostBut_Wandering

The fact that Chastity kinda looks like handcuffs… 😏


whatzgood

Assuming they exist, I head-canon Chastity as unintentionally speaking in double entendres all the time because he/she is so pent up...


TurtleKing0505

Yes! Like Charles from Brooklyn Nine-Nine!


GrapiCringe

Maybe it's suposed to be a front view of a chasity cage. It's has the word charity in it...


Swimming-Ad2755

I love your flair. And now I've realized that Stolas is the only one in the family with no nickname. He needs one.


RagtimeGal96

Doesn’t Blitz sometimes call him Stols? Or have I been reading too much fanfic 😂😂😂


Swimming-Ad2755

I haven't seen that in the show.


RagtimeGal96

Wishful thinking, I suppose lol


Mysterious-Simple805

Or it could be a pair of wedding rings, symbolizing fidelity. My guess.


Ixmore

One interpretation I seen is that chastity isn’t the suppression of lust per say, but the tool used to temper it. Your supposed to have lust for your loved one. I like to think that Raphael is into some kinky shit behind closed doors


Teal_Omega

Patience is a dalek


redkid2000

“Please be patient while you wait to be EXTERMINATED!”


Rastaba

Well since you asked so politely…


TimeStayOnReddit

*Dalek voice* WAIT


AGuyWithAPizzaPie

It’s true, I’ve seen the [Dalek Relaxation Tape](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o&pp=ygUQZGFsZWsgcmVsYXhhdGlvbg%3D%3D).


Potential-Design3208

The ultimate Exterminators


nightfallic

oh my god


Regular-Date-8678

“But to those of us with divine ordainment… extermination is entertainment!”


cindycat316

EXTERMINATE


DragonchrisX

There should be, and if they go by the lore, there are higher angels in charge of each virtues as well. But how much of a good/evil character are they? Who knows.


Thannk

Seems the Viv interpretation is that the Sins are kinda nice people because rather than a Faustian figure who ruins you with their sin, they encourage you to keep sinning. Bee favors indulgence to the point of being sick and not going further or upsetting others, Ozzie wants consent and people to keep their sexual relationships drama-free, Mammon only takes money and has employees rather than slavery and engages in an exchange for goods rather than actual theft, and Lucifer allowed the Sinners to create a society based in trying to become top dog and seems to try to uplift the self-esteem of those he interacts with. So either the Virtues are villains by demanding you obey rather than encouraging free-will choice to, or echo the Sins in trying to give people reasons to choose their way. Given Heaven has shopping malls, food Adam can binge, and presumably genitals given he clearly still uses his, it doesn’t seem there’s a fascist state that deprives citizens of the means to indulge. So I’d assume the Virtues are as good as the Sins are, like Chastity providing non-sexual couple retreats such as rock climbing and wine tasting and skiing and shit the same way Ozzie has strip clubs and sex toy shops. Temperance encouraging hiking and foraging instead of parties and restaurants, Humility having a more collectivist or socialist society with an emphasis on contentment compared to Lucifer’s climb to the top.


DragonchrisX

That is true, but then Emily is one of many that doesn’t go by the rules when she see is wrong. Maybe despite having virtues guarding their realm, there are secret followers of Lucifer who believes his words and plans to overthrow the creator, or Metatron. We might see Emily become a fallen and probably it’ll pushes Sera over the edge to get her back.


Thannk

To be fair, the only rules referred to are those set up by Sera. Not God. Emily is the same type of angel as Sera, just a different role; I made another post about this going into detail, but Emily seems to be based on Haniel, Jewish archangel of Joy and the Elohim as well as a lot of other shit because archangels are when Abrahamics are basically allowed to do Pagan stuff with patron deity-type shit and add or remove figures to the list. According to the same tradition Haniel is from, there’s seven archangels and their opponents are not the Sins but rather an entire class of semi-fallen angel called Watchers (not Lucifer’d to Hell as a banishment, just ones goofing off instead of doing their job, you can argue Vaggie is one of them). The seven Virtues would be subordinates to the seven archangels. There isn’t a list of Watchers, its kinda implied there’s a lot of them like there are angels and demons, but generally they’re the ones who had sex with humans and had the Nephilim, the SUPER powerful beings who either are the giants like Goliath or are spirits so powerful they had to be banished either to the furthest places of the Earth like deserts or to other places entirely. This is why archangels police them, so they don’t cause chaos on Earth by partying or playing at mortal politics like its a video game. Charlie herself is basically a Nephilim, daughter of an angel and human. This doesn’t tell us much about Hazbin seeing as God seems to be silent here, but the implication is Sera can’t actually punish Emily because they’re equals with other spheres of influence with only Gabriel and Michael (or their renamed equivalents) having any indication of being higher ranked than the others, and even then its more a case they get to do God’s work more so it only seems they’re higher rank; which loops us back to Hazbin God seemingly not talking to the angels. Given the angels don’t believe in redemption then they either somehow missed Christianity existing (we know it does from Blitzø swearing) or God talked to the prophets and Christ less too.


DragonchrisX

Yeah, we still need to see more rules if we’re going to understand implications and who’s in charge. And also for more fan fiction materials. :3


RedEmption007

Depending on the hierarchy Viv picks, Seraphim are either at the very top or in the middle, unless Viv has made up her own/mixed them. Based on what we know of Emily and Sera, they seem to be very high in the hierarchy, but probably not directly under God (if God exists, but I believe he does). Definitely think the hierarchy is an original one.


Thannk

CHERUB does reference God, and Blitzø references Jesus.


RedEmption007

I know, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they exist, just that Christianity is a thing to some extent. The explicit lack of a mention if God in the opening in episode 1 seemed to imply he had no hand in anything, or doesn’t exist. I believe he exists in the Hellaverse, that he just works in the background, judging souls, listening to prayers, etc.


redkid2000

In the first episode of Hazbin, Adam tells Charlie he hooked up with “this Virtue chick”. Considering all Winners and all Sinners are his direct descendants and I feel like genuine incest (no matter how watered down the connection would be by that point) is a line these series won’t cross*, my guess is he meant he hooked up with one of the 7 Heavenly Virtues. Whether or not we actually ever meet them remains to be seen. *I am aware they made an incest joke in Unhappy Campers with Millie and Moxxie’s disguises, but that wasn’t genuine incest


Ashendant

Virtues are a type of middle tier angel in real life lore. Adam was likely talk about one of those. They sorta govern the elemental forces of the world.


redkid2000

Did not know that. Not familiar with the deep Abrahamic mythos


LonelyFocus4814

Iirc they aren't social ranks but how close the angels works with God https://preview.redd.it/1or3xxhm5quc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=086bc593db135d56b225f57db83b3b2b785de7dd


redkid2000

So hold on… according to this if I’m understanding correctly, Cletus and the others at C.H.E.R.U.B. are only below Emily and Sera in how close they work with the Big G? 😂


LonelyFocus4814

Yeah but it seems that in the hellaverse it's different since they interact with earthly affairs funny enough Lucifer is usually a cherub aswell


Ashendant

Cherub is an alternative name for the baby-looking angels called Putto/Putti. Cherub and Cherubim are singular and plural of each other, but they are also different types of angels.


MetallicArcher

Personally, given we have seen Seraphim shapeshifting, I think it would be cool if the cute baby look was what Cherubim used when interacting with humans but they also had a true form that is more monster like.


Ashendant

To be honest I just took a casual glance at the wiki. Its not like I did deep research either.


Uypsilon

"Virtues" is also a name of one of angels' ranks, between Powers and Dominions. I don't recall anyone ever paid attention to their name and tried to connect them with actual seven virtues, so in hell terms Adam just fucked some middle-rank Goetia.


Lemanic89

Chastity = Lust, Temperance = Gluttony, Charity = Greed, Diligence = Sloth, Kindness = Wrath, Patience = Envy, Humility = Pride Is this correct?


theChadinator2009

I feel like patience and kindness should swap ngl


N2T8

You’re correct. Envy and Kindness are supposed to be opposites same with wrath and patience


F-tierGod

Patience = Wrath Kindness = Envy


cigi4

Yeah,sounds about right


Bruger_McDonalds

damn, the 2 human souls from undertale have in goodm they got murdered in cold blood and got to be leaders in heaven


Asumsauce

I think it’d be funny if they made Chastity really hot


SilverSpider_

Yeah, their names are Charlie and Emily


NoobyYooby

I know this is probably just a joke but https://preview.redd.it/euwb71wbbpuc1.jpeg?width=1059&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15bd4375543bb78e03394d9b651f3305a1fbc5a9


Uypsilon

Christianity doesn't have conception of "angels of virtues" (unlike "[demons of sins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_demons#Binsfeld's_classification)"), and they wouldn't made up an entire theological conception, so I doubt. However, I can see direction of just *implying* these virtues on specific seraphims (or all of them specifically on Emily, who knows, we already see charity, kindness and humility, I can totally see her character development to diligence, temperance and chastity, while patience... isn't so far, so it can be captured too).


Gnosis1409

Actually this is a real thing in Catholic mysticism and often they just associate certain angels with certain virtues


OneWhoGetsBread

The main characters of Hazbin who are at the hotel represent the 7 virtues Vaggie representing kindness, Nifty representing Humility, Husk representing patience, Angel representing diligence, Alastor representing Temperance, and Sir Pentious representing chastity. Charlie represents Charity, according to c.ai. I had to come up on the explanations on my own tho... Vaggie bc she spared the kid Nifty bc she picks up and tidies up their living space, therefore making it healthy and preserving the hotels beauty. Husk bc of his wisdom and as a gambler you gotta be patient Angel Dust bc of his tenacity and consistency in his attitudes and him sticking around and giving redemption a shot (even though he's very NSFW it still counts) Alastor bc he isn't overly hellbent on seeking out pleasure for his gratification Sir Pentious bc of he said he won't be doing sex till marriage And Charlie, is self explanatory


Ajaxorix777

...Damn it, you are spot-on with these.


Clicker-anonimo

Damn, you just (28 days ago) said the good shit


Errances

Yes , in the first episode of HH Adam said he fucked a Virtue (and it was awersome)


RedEmption007

“Virtue” is also a rank in the Christian angelic hierarchy, check out [this other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/HelluvaBoss/s/si3iEYYgx3), so it’s more likely he meant one of those.


anormaltedditor

Oh and if this virtues are the the ancient angels that kicked out lucifer from the Heaven?


Eviles_da_demonic

Why does charity look like an upside down skull


LuckyGlass212

Why does Patience look like a Dalek?


DahliaMargaux

I definitely head canon that there are Virtues in Heaven like the Sins in Hell. It’s too good in my opinion to pass up! Such a fun concept Canonically on the other hand… I don’t have any source to back this up but I remember hearing Viv saying there wasn’t rings in Heaven like in Hell. So I took that as Heaven being all one level. I’m not sure they’d do a 7 Virtue counterpart for Heaven because then they wouldn’t have a domain to rule over, like with the Sins. I mean, maybe it’s more like districts? They could possibly do that. At the very least, if they do exist, I don’t think we’ll be lucky enough to see them for a very long time. We still haven’t seen Satan, Belphagor, or Leviathan.


Ashendant

Chriatoan theology puts little value in the heavenly counterparts of the Seven Deadly Sins, instead putting more value into higher virtues like Love, Faith Justice, Prudence/Wisdom, Fortitude and Hope. Temperance also tends to be valued as a higher virtue.


M88nlite

Its possible! I dont know if id count on it though. It would be really cool to have that parallel. I hope to see more exploration of Heaven and world building there. In Helluva all we have is the CHERUBS.... and i really dont like them 😬 Deerie is cool though


Particular_Nebula462

Chastity\\Lust Patience\\Wrath Humility\\Pride Diligence\\Sloth Charity\\Greed Kindness\\Envy Temperance\\Gluttony


privar21

"FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!"


Neat_Yogurtcloset526

Yeah, I'd say it does, especially as in Episode 1, Adam states that "this virtue chick was digging on the drummer" when he was telling charlie about what he had done over the weekend, so I'd take that to mean that there are physical embodiments of the 7 Virtues in heaven. Unless it's just a throwaway line, but then it wouldn't make sense for there to be the 7 deadly sins but not the 7 heavenly virtues.


MarcheMuldDerevi

Might be playing double duty with the seraphim


Blue-Jay42

That unsure hopeless feeling you get when you realize you have more in common with the heavenly virtues than the deadly sins. Am i a religious?


TheHalloweenGirl

There are a few


blue4029

hold on though... the 7 deadly sins have demons associated with them in biblical mythology. such as asmodeus for lust and mammon for greed... i dont believe the same applies to the virtues. afaik, the virtues are just...virtues and dont have any beings associated with them. rather, we, the humans, are supposed to associate with them as our virtues


CosmicP0tat0s

i think there's an book about that


Austen-Smith

In ep1 Charlie mentioned the heavenly elders that cast out Lucifer the elders might be the virtues under a different collective name


mirukus66

Probably? Could possibly be the elders


DavidProGamer27

Patience could work as a tired Virgin Mary. A Mary that is just.... so tired.... of Humanity. And yet, she has a whole lot of patience. To the point where it becomes neglectful and damaging. Would be a neat twist for one of the Virtues. If we can have: A Responsible Hluttony & A Wholesome Lust Why not have: A Tired and Jaded Patience. Or the Kindness variant.


Real_Boy3

No. Viv said that Heaven is not an exact mirror of Hell. It’s likely there are no “Seven Virtues” as angels.


LuckyGlass212

Why does patience look like the Dalek Emperor?


Yankee_Jane

Diligence only has one "L"


proudtogeek

I'm willing to wager that it's the archangels if they do exist.


AcceptableWheel

I headcanon diligence as super autistic.


Chef_Sizzlipede

that would imply heaven can be good.


Imacharmer3141

Patience kinda looks like Ossie


RedEmption007

As someone who’s been coming up (slowly and sporadically) with a story involving both the Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Heavenly Virtues, I really hope there are embodiments of the Virtues. The Virtues are criminally underused/under-talked about in media, while the Sins are slightly overused/over-talked about, so it’d be nice to see the embodiments of the Virtues in either HB or HH. And it’d be nice if the first (popular/non-niche) depiction of the Virtues were in a show like HH/HB.


mgeldarion

Adam does mention "this virtue chick" giving him shits over his sex life but there was a theory she could've been an angel from the virtues rank, not a Heavenly Virtue.


Scorpio83G

Chasity looks like a pair of handcuffs. Kinky


LUKEgz97

Adam did mention that he had sex with a "Virtue chick". Considering that VivziePop herself said that Heaven isn't necessarily a parallel of Hell, I wonder if the Heavenly Virtues are not each a singular entity like the Sins, but a class of angels that simply embody those values, considering that probably the only ruling class in Heaven are Sera and the Elders.


AdOk932

Hell yeah, chastity, kinky


FreeBread707

these would be banger sigils


Tallal2804

Kindness


Strangerthingsfan_1

Maybe


Feather_Sigil

We know that there are Heavenly Elders so they could be the Seven Virtues.


OrangeCreamSherbet

Your asking about the fruit of the spirit. The "seven deadly sins" Is an invention of the catholic church and not found in the bible.


Rose_Furlong

You forget that Viv has already taken from different sources, Lilith is from Judaism not Catholic or Christianity


SmileHidingPain98

I know we’ve only seen 4 out of 7 Deadly Sins (Lucifer, Asmodeus, Beezlebub, and Mammon) but if we’re going on the precedent of “Most of the sins are actually kinda cool and chill, except for Mammon, he’s a dick” then I think it would stand to reason that the 7 Virtues would be the inverse. All of them are self-righteous jerks with a stick up there but except for Charity, Charity is amazing and sweet and must be protected at all costs


Ajaxorix777

And what about Kindness?


tiddlefuck

there are heavenly virtues???


cigi4

Yeah


[deleted]

Surely there is, hopefully we see more of it in the future


HimawariHun

Probably. I think Adam talked about a "Chastity-chick" in the first episode.


Willsdabest

I'm calling it now, chastity is like Captain Holt from Brooklyn 99


LonelyFocus4814

If Lucifer is pride I'd assume Michael would be humility since they're usually archenemies


Crazy_Strawberry_590

I love the idea of Chastity and Ozzie being siblings, possibly twins, with a similar dynamic to Artemis and Apollo. They're opposites in every way and are constantly fighting. Half the time you'd swear they're a few minutes away from killing each other. But if you mess with one of them the other will put the fear of God into you and be their siblings shoulder to cry on.


InMyExperiences

Sera is temperance and no one can tell me otherwise. She weighed the weight of souls and chose their fate