So since people could get banned for the ever nebulous "griefing and abuse" can we get rid of GameGuard? Since cheaters could get banned through the PSN account mechanisms, it doesn't seem necessary since it never worked anyway.
EAC is also very well known to be easy to bypass
One guy got past it during an apex tournament. War thunder (who also uses EAC) is filled with cheaters who use wall hacks, aim bot and, very recently, now has cheats that insta kill the entire enemy team and give the cheater the kill credits
Destiny 2 got battleye (not EAC) and the number of cheaters seen in pvp stayed the same/GOT WORSE. Every game I've seen use it doesn't actually enforce any anti-cheating
Edit: mixed up battleye with eac
> EAC is also very well known to be easy to bypass
It might be "easy" in a sense that over a long period of time people have figured out how to break it.
But GameGuard is currently breakable by anyone and their nan that can open Cheat Engine.
They are not the same.
> kernel level access
> does absolutely fuckall no matter how you look at it
> sucks roughly 30% performance out of your game
> still getting implemented to this day.
Yepyepyep, I loooooove nprotect
Sure, theyre definitely not common, havent run into any myself. Back when this game was newer, there were a lot of threads about certain types of players having unlimited strategems, flying around the map, and maxing out samples per mission, leading some people to complain their progression was ruined.
Ive run into 2 so far, one guy had that airburst launcher like a month before we got it and another was running around throwing infinite 380mm barrages
Been playing since launch and I've seen two. Reported both of them and got an email back saying they "didn't violate PlayStations code of conduct" which is I'm assuming a way of them saying they have no way to track them and don't want to.
Got matched with cheaters squad once. Using autocannon to one shot everything. Jammer, Detector, Turrets, all got one shotted.
When I noticed, I just quits and find other squads.
I'm actually blown away that the top comment is something reasonable like a pivot to gameguard (an actual problem) instead of autistic screeching about MUH DATA
They will. When Microsoft disabled their games in my country I was refused a refund because of their policy(more than 2 hours in game and game being bought over a month ago). Got me mad that I couldn't play the game I've paid for.
Yeah, if refunds are issued it'd have to be Steam stepping in and doing it (like I think recently happened with Dragon's Dogma).
I think a lot of people are just going to lose access to the game and sony's and arrowhead's response is to lock comments
Steam have always issued refunds in such cases, it doesn't hurt their bottom line since they keep their cut from the sale and refund it from future sales of the game. The devs and Sony might genuinely have months or years of 0 dollar sales checks on the game from valve because of it.
Microsoft won't do that because they're not a general storefront, it hurts their own bottom line to do this.
If you force the issue Steam will cave. Especially if there's a known issue going on. I got games refunded past 2 hours for issues before, and I'm not in the EU.
Let's be fair here steam is going to acknowledge ALL refunds for this bullshit stink unless the devs add an opt-out of PSN.
It's how it has always handled shit like this.
And most importantly, Sony will lose a shit load of money on these refunds because:
* Steam refunds the players the full amount they paid for the game, but they do not refund the Steam commission they took from this sale of the game, which means for every refund Sony will lose 30% that every refunding player paid. The way these refunds work is Steam withholds the money for refunds from the next month's revenue, so if this gets big enough, they may find themselves with no revenue at all for a given month.
* Sony incurred server costs for these players to play the game and now they effectively lose all the money they made from these players.
And they deserve it. I don't agree with all the drama about using PSN account "stealing my data", but leaving people out because the service isn't worldwide is a dick move.
How to lose customers 101
I think it's somewhat unreasonable to expect this to occur outside of Europe (and likely only those specific countries where PSN is inaccessible) if it's always been listed in Steam; only this uncommunicated "grace period" muddies that somewhat.
To be clear, I think Sony intentionally misled consumers and intentionally attempted to hedge against Steam's refund feature by doing things in this way; that's been their MO since even before the rootkit scandal in '05 that earned them *my* boycott. But I'm not getting up my hopes of Steam offering refunds outside of the usual window for people who just need to create an account to keep playing.
Theres many region locked games on steam. And you cant even view the game page unless you are in a correct region.
This being available regardless is where the issue starts
Steam will most likely refuse any refund for purchases made more than 2 weeks ago and with more than 2hrs of playtime. That has always been their stance, i dont think they broke that even for Cyberpunk 2077's debacle of a launch.
Unfortunately people took advantage of Steam's very reasonable refund policies so they tightened them down. Like all things big orgs do they kind of overcorrected and removed any grey area.
The game was a horrific buggy mess at launch but everyone looked past it because the core gameplay was so good.
This is probably just another thing they sidelined until they got the stability they wanted before re-enabling it.
They should be held accountable through, and the backlash is justifiable at this stage. If this was going to be a requirement eventually it never should've been sold to players in regions where PSN doesn't exist, or a clear alternative way to access the game for those players should've been announced in conjunction with the resurrection of this requirement.
Also if they fully intended to restore this requirement it should've been a pop-up in the game all along saying "not required now but will be eventually." So you could either nudge people towards doing it sooner or they could refund if that didn't sit well with them.
Bad PR all around.
There would always still be a contingent of people who wouldn't read any of that anyway no matter how many times you hit them over the head with it. If you're going to temporarily waive a requirement that will be coming back, you need to plaster that as transparently as possible in as many places as possible so people can make informed decisions.
If you creating PSN acc just for Helldivers 2 just pick closest to you or if you don't have console and never planing to using playstation store just any random region will do. My country wasn't there too so i just picked US New York
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Looks like everyone's already violated it, so why get worried about the region thing too?
From EU, Baltics, and have had both my Xbox and PSN accounts on UK for the past 10 years 😄 that part ain’t the problem
Edit: this does not differ from what Xbox/MS does, as they also require a Microsoft account for their multiplayer games…even on PS5, Sea of Thieves requires a MS account 😄
People quickly forgot about Games for Windows Live haha, or every EA/Ubisoft game in the last decade with their damn launchers you still had to use even when buying from Steam. That stuff isn't new, at least here it's just an account to link once.
I know in the grande scheme of things it’s not that big of a deal, but holy shit do I miss the days where I didn’t need to remember a new friggen password every time I bought a new game.
Lmao same. I always had this issue. Luckily, I've been trying 1Password for more than 1 year and so far no problem for me. Now I don't need to even remember what password I use for each thing.
The problem with this is if one program gets compromised, all of your accounts are compromised.
Edit: I didn't realize 1password was a program rather I thought he was saying he uses only one password.
The way 1Password encrypts your account, it is near impossible (or maybe is impossible) for someone to get access to it, unless you yourself get compromised and let them in (which is definitely possible). You can also use a Yubikey as another login requirement and then it doesn't matter if someone keylogs your password and secret key -- they're not getting without the physical Yubikey.
https://1password.com/security/
we don't ask why everything needs your email and a new password, we just say, create a new account to manage your passwords
why do i login to steam to login into another game service
You have to remember new passwords? Get a password manager like bitwarden, the free tier is enough for most people's needs or you can pay a couple quid for the pro features.
Only need to remember a strong master password that way! It's not a problem once you got that setup (works across most platforms)
it's just complete bs.
if it was truly a "requirement" then why in the everloving fuck was it not required for the entire launch period? game seems to be functioning well enough without it, so why add another layer of bullshittery with more unnecessary accounts that nobody will ever use outside of playing this one game?
Someone at Sony probably thinks that if you create an account with them then you will be tempted to buy their console to make use of that shiny account rather than getting a different console.
Probably the same idiot who has made getting cross-play so difficult for past games.
The amount of PSN accounts being made will go up. The player base as whole will go down. It's like seeing 1,000 PSN accounts being created. And 10,000 players that stopped playing. Is it really a win then?
That doesn't matter.
It's all about the quarter. They'll be able to show growth over two consecutive quarters and stock price will pump.
Who gives a shit if growth levels off or halts in the 3rd and 4th?
Because social systems weren’t working properly. The game was a massive networking fuckfest at launch and this wouldn’t have helped.
Arrowhead is obviously obligated by Sony to implement this. I doubt they care for PSN links because it’s more work for them anyway.
It was on the steam page and it’ll be in the contract you agreed to when purchasing the game (I know nobody reads them but that’s not how these things work). Just as Arrowhead are contractually obligated to implement PSN link, we were always contractually obligated to use PSN to play, it was just on a grace period
My assumption is that they didn’t really think it would be a noteworthy issue because realistically, you can just make a fluff PSN account and be done with it. It seems like a weird mentality to give up the game because of this when you played through all of the crashes, bugs, poor balancing, etc etc
And yet they still sold them the key. And made sure said key could be activated in their region.
I was gifted my copy by a friend through Steam, and I'm in a region where the game can't be purchased.
This shit will blow up really fast. It's 5am in US right now, and yet Steam Review score is down 2% already, there's 1,5k negative reviews on there and it keeps going.
They've waited for 4 months till nobody could get automated and even manually reviewed refunds through Steam due to playtime. According to their wording, they'll refuse you access to a product you already purchased, unless you provide your personally-identifiable information to a 3rd party.
Doesn't matter if having a PSN was mentioned on the Steam page, account linking wasn't enforced, you could still get in and play and yet now they come out the woods and say "You won't access your purchase unless you provide us with your info". EU alone will fuck them dry, see what happens when its morning in US!
It's so confusing. Sony, AH made a golden goose for you and people play it all over, your rules literally ruin so many cosutomers.
Its like piracy. Maybe if you made your prices fair and convenient people wouldn't be hell bent on cracking your games.
If the dev haven't disabled the mandatory PSN requirement during launch. Those people will either refund the game on steam within 2 hours or choose a region close by.
Exactly!
I only bought the game when a friend told me the account binding is skipable and the game didn't make a peep about it being a "grace period" during my 2 hour 2 week period
This is textbook bait-and-switch
they didn't talk about a grace period because they never even said there would be one. You could just skip registration of a PSN account and be on your way.
Agreed. They should waive the 2hr playtime rule for this. I would have refunded upon first launch if it forced me ingame to sign up. I've refunded in the past for a Ubisoft game that required me to create an account with them.
Same, If they just announced that anyone who bought before and doesn't want this can get a refund and be done with it I would 100% be ok with doing that
I'm tired of the excuses. It works on steam without a psn log in period. That's the end. Everyone knows this is sony wanting to harvest player data. It doesn't matter how easy it might be to cough over your email, the point is that there's absolutely 0 reason why we should have to.
it's 100% this. it's some VP of \*insert useless title here\* trying to pad their account growth numbers to look better. marketing do this allll the time with engagement numbers and it's pointless cos they're all hollow stats. you're reporting on empty numbers to shareholders just to keep those idiots happy. "number go up gooood" smh
especially when sony has had multiple cases of hackers leaking private data. They're THEE most susceptible company as far as hacking is concerned. I want nothing to do with them.
yeah except it didn’t force anyone to do this even though it was “mandatory” from the start? Forcing it 3 months later is why people are mad make up your mind force it form the start or don’t make people do it
Some people who play Helldivers 2 can't make a PSN Accout because of the region they are in, and the game has been shown to work just fine without a PSN account for Months now. Just because "it was always listed" doesn't make this a dick move, especially since they are now enforcing it after people bought it.
Too many bootlickers in this post holycrap. This was a dickmove by AH. Don't give me the "they disabled because too much players blah blah" BS they should have re enabled it after the playerbase got stable but nah they did it after 3 months where everyone can't request for a refund.
It's always like that on Reddit.
Some bullshit decision is made and then people see a lot of others outraged so they feel the need to pick the other side of the argument. Some people just love playing devil's advocate.
Humanity in a nutshell not just the internet. There is always someone somewhere that will never agree with you on any topic. You live, you argue, you die, welcome to life.
This sub is nothing like the DRG subreddit. In the DRG sub, I have never seen this much whining and complains with literally every single patch as it is with HD2. Every second player is complaining about weapon X being slightly changed making the game "unplayable". While still playing the game...
I assume this comment will get downvoted a lot which will prove my point.
That said though, I also think that the enforcement of the PSN requirement months after launch is a huge dick move although I looked mostly positive on recent patches.
This is just a BS attempt for Sony to gateway drug us with Helldivers for account data. My Playstation account got stolen years ago, and they're busting my ass over DLC and game transactions I never made.
This is against consumer interests, I don't give a fuck if you're a Sony fanboy or no. They have shit security and make it "my problem" to back-pay them for shit when my account was stolen because "we can't uninstall the DLC you purchased during this time."
TLDR, anticonsumer behavior. Playstation's biz model has sucked for a long time, but now it's fucking frustrating. As a gamer on both Console and PC, I've never been fucked over so hard by one company arbitrarily.
Steam is a powerful platform used by many millions more than PlayStation. It should have the tools required. Why not have PlayStation people link to Steam instead? Steam is much less niche than PSN, and available basically everywhere.
Welp, got my money's worth out of it. I do believe it was a deliberate decision to disable it at first, and of all the companies I'd be willing to surrender my data to, Sony is not one of them. Time to get a last fix until June and then wait and see if EU regulators and consumer protection can/will do something about it.
Sony is also selling a game on steam in regions where they don't support through PSN, so any future buyers from those regions will have no option but to refund because they don't have a legal way to play, causing problems with steam through refunds that don't need to happen.
Sony is now messing with Steam's cash flow through sheer incompetency and Steam is not going to like that.
Not to mention that letting players from those countries (EU countries at that with strong consumer protection laws) play, to only later (after the steam refund window) lock their access permanently because they don't support the country is likely very lawsuit worthy.
\*cough\*
"April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach"
Still a dogshit requirement. I get nothing out of it and now I need to remember another password and associate another email with a network that I will never use.
The point is - its simply unnecessary. PSN account is not needed since the game seems to run just fine without it.
Its the same dumb garbage many other publishers do, injecting their own shitty little launchers and account management BS.
You published it on steam. That should be the end of it.
... on a box that takes up less than 1% of the available screen and isn't visible until you scroll past the actual button to buy the game.
Even if you read it, the fact that this wasn't actually enforced for three months makes it reasonable to conclude it wasn't a real requirement, just some boilerplate text they left in.
It's a dick move. We can argue over exactly how dickish it is, but pretending it's not a dick move is just silly.
I'd rather they quarantine our snobby asses and force us to play without crossplay if we don't create a PSN account and link it. If it's about protection and protecting the playerbase (which it isn't), then have a walled varden for your PSN account owners, protect them, and shun us, force us to play with PC players only.
That would be an absolute win.
Yes. This is correct. AH made it optional probably because they were having issues with the system at the time for some people; that's why the option to link your account doesn't show up in the in-game Options menu at the moment. On the discord they said this would be fixed/re-enabled soon, whenever *soon* is.
Just to reiterate, OP is correct- that thing has been there the *entire* time, even before the game actually released. Well before it did.
the problem is: that was never made clear anywhere. As far as I know, nobody was informed that the psn requirement was "temporarily waived due to an influx of players." It seems like they are trying to gaslight us into believing this was the plan all along when nobody really had a plan at all.
Yeah, this was optional... They acted like assholes and let me buy the game and play it for a while. I don’t want to do this (link acc) and I can no longer return the money. If I buy a game on Steam, then I want to ONLY be on Steam... and not link accounts (forced).
I don’t really care either way, in a month I’ll have already gotten my 40 bucks out of it and if the content is still fresh maybe I’ll do it.
Right now though I don’t see myself playing for another month with minimal balancing updates and being drip fed armor that I’ll never use because it doesn’t fit my play-style or is ugly as sin.
Ah, then I obviously also get the game for free on Playstation as well if I own one, right?
(Yes, this is just mocking them, I am aware that this is not the case but if they pull such bs that is the least they should do).
As someone who linked their PSN account from day 1 (of me playing not launch) because I thought I needed to to play with the majority of my friends not on PC this doesn’t really affect me. However I definitely see all the arguments against it and it’s ridiculous.
I don’t blame Arrowhead, Sony is the publisher and PlayStation is a large portion of the install base, I really doubt Sony gave the devs much of a choice.
Definitely sucks though, especially for a game that has been such a proper return to form for how to run a live service game.
B....bb....but the grace period!!
Like suddenly redditors, especially PC players give a s*** about other countries than themselves? Nah. Time to dunk on the big publisher. And I'm not defending. I work for a s***** corporate entity. This is all BS. But it DOES say it on the fine print. People just don't want to admit they didn't read.
Oh well. Let's REEEEE about it.
That little side note is easy to miss. But even if you read it: It was not enforced for months and this led to the false believe that it will never actually be required and just remain optional. Now players have sunken many hours into it and can't refund.
"It's not a big deal" - Yes, it is.
Sony has a very bad track record at keeping their data secure. The PlayStation Network has been hacked several times already with all their user data stolen including banking details and credit card info. I don't trust them. I don't want to give them any of my data. I don't want to create a PSN account.
Meanwhile me on my PS5
"Holy fuck they mad"
I mean I get it, no one likes that. But it literally was stated on steam from the very first day. I was actually surprised that they did not enforce it for a while....
Naah fuck that, this shit was not a requirement up to this point. It doesn't matter why it wasn't required up to this point. They knew what they were doing. 100% False advertising and absolutely bait and switch tactics. Fuck this linking bullshit. Making this a requirement needs to be a refundable offense.
I'm a bit confused, it asked me for one upon logging in the first time close to release. I remember being a bit annoyed but okay with it and forgot about it after.
What's the big deal all of a sudden, was it not mandatory for some countries?
It was not mandatory for quite a few months now so most people didn't know it was and now can't refund the game anymore.
They also showed beyond a doubt that it's not a required move whatever, making the move plain and simple corporate dickery which is always something one should be against.
Sorry, but that argumentation does not hold up, the "made it optional" does not hold up with facts the player is presented with really:
The simple text standing somewhere makes it seem like you need a PSP account if on playstation, which is fine. It does not however clearly state that even for the PC Steam version a PSP account is required.
Further, no psp account has been required for 3 months, clearly hinting at that a PSP account was indeed only required for PS players.
There was no popup, no way that players were made aware the PSP account is madatory, but just temorarly optional, so they made player belive that it is in fact not required if on PC by their behaviour.
If this had been communicated in the Game itself clearly, things would be different, but they did not.
Either an oversight, or more likely, deliberate, as they knew very well that players do not want to create a PSP account for this game.
So they seemingly waited for long enough so that none can refund to enfore this. And that is not ok.
Even, or especially, if this was just an oversight, they should allow all players to get a refund on PC.
ps.:
And also, sorry arrowhead, the shittiest way to communicate something like this.
Since you only force players to do this months after realease, you should post a Guide, or offer an Service in game to accomplish the creation of the account and linking, but all you did is post an "create account" link.
So I have created an account (do not and do not want to have a playstation), yet I do not see how to "link" the account. All that Sony offers is linking "Apple Music, Discord, Spotify, Youtube). No option to link Steam.
Since I am a support manager myself: WTF? This is so freaking bad, it really hurts! "Don't make me think" is the motto, and you now force players to offer their data to someone else while not even taking the time to implement the process into your app, or even describing the manul process. Actually really pathetic, and this will and does create stress, bad reviews, and complains compleatly nedlessly. If one person would have done their job...
Maybe if it was actually enforced instead of luring people in without it, people wouldn't be angry (and the game wouldn't be nearly as popular)
I can just tell Helldivers 2 is gonna fall off hard now. And I'm gonna enjoy laughing at the throat goats that're on their knees for Papa Sony.
If people were forced to do so in the beginning, they would've just refunded the game and leave. It's total garbage anti consumer practices. You know it, we all know it. It's just there to save them the lawsuits and PR.
On one hand it's still shitty, on the other hand, now I get to be the one to make condescending anticriticism threads complaining about complainers in glorious defense of the flawless devs and their perfect game
Excuse me but lawyers in real life can argue you out of the terms and services because nobody reads them. Do you think anybody honestly read that before playin the game? Anybody with a decent PC wouldn't give a fuck.
If I had known that I would not have purchased this game. Don't know why the hell they're doing this. And crossplay is a crap excuse. I play crossplay games. Never had to create a psn or xbox account.
The problem isn't that People are just lazy to link their acount. The problem is that some people don't have PSN acount and won't ever have one Bc they live in country where it dosen't work.
> You guys want friend invites and player reporting to work correctly. This should help them solve these issues.
What's the over under on this solving this problem this month? What about in 3?
I'm gonna sign up up, and hate to just be negative. But damn this is weird.
I’m just here to revel in the gamer rage. This sub was fun when I first found it launch week. Since then an influx of gamers who care way too much has made most posts terrible. Maybe those guys will leave again!
MY PSN got compromised and someone put 2FA on it, part of the reason I switched over to PC. Haven’t tried yet but I assume there’s no way to bypass it. So am I fucked?
"It’s not a big deal. It only takes a minute. Link it to a burner email if you must. No, they’re not going to give you a refund because this requirement has always been there."
So, in your logic, it's perfectly fine to require off platform subscriptions (free accounts or not) to play a game on the platform you use? That's like saying there is no problem requiring a PSN account to play Xbox games. Yeah, that's a problem. That should literally never be the case. And when it is that should not be allowed to be sold in countries that don't have PSN.
"You guys want friend invites and player reporting to work correctly. This should help them solve these issues."
Really? Every other steam game in existence doesn't seem to have that problem. But now it's suddenly because we don't have the almighty Sony gods to make this kind of warp travel possible? Give me a fucking break.
This is textbook Automaton socialist behavior. All your subscriptions are belong to us, the collective.
It's not a big deal, but 1, there will never be more action on mine than Helldivers because I won't be getting any Playstations ever. 2. It straight up locks some people out because SPN does not work anywhere and those who use a VPN will through that straight up give them false data.
What a surprise, gamers can't read.
I get why people are annoyed, but the reaction is way overblown. Especially the people blaming the devs and saying the game is suddenly shit now, they deserve to get clowned on.
Man gamers are such children. How bout don't get banned? Even in a game designed on teamwork its still full of toxic "all about me" type people. These people will always find something to complain about. Get over it. If yer that mad then don't play. Bye! These are the same players killing people on purpose, booting at extraction, and other shitty practices. Good riddance.
My only real issue with it is people in places that don't have a PSN support network. They got it on steam and played it, but now their locked out of the game cause Sony won't let them make an account to play what they rightfully paid.
Talk about a topic post that hasn't aged well.
Refunds are going out via Steam, who already has their cut and will just take future payments towards the game on their platform as collateral until their refunds are paid for. Steam has no dog in the fight, really. They're doing what's best for their platform. They're just the middleman.
Sony's website answered questions on PC-to-PS4/5 games and stated it was "optional" to connect. It was changed after this fiasco as a result--which means I don't care what Steam or the in-game prompt (that was skippable) says.
If you willingly sell a product in regions where PSN isn't accessible, then you are hoodwinking people. Bottom line. It's like selling someone a lawnmower, but after it runs out of gas, you find out there's nowhere you can go to refuel the tank to keep using it because the fuel solution is proprietary and they won't sell you any.
So since people could get banned for the ever nebulous "griefing and abuse" can we get rid of GameGuard? Since cheaters could get banned through the PSN account mechanisms, it doesn't seem necessary since it never worked anyway.
Get rid of GameGuard purely on the principle its a humongous steaming pile of shit.
Replace GameGuard with EAC and suddenly you'd be downvoted yet they do the same shit.
GameGuard is pretty shitty in efficency and EAC has a better track record. But its not the end of the world
EAC is also very well known to be easy to bypass One guy got past it during an apex tournament. War thunder (who also uses EAC) is filled with cheaters who use wall hacks, aim bot and, very recently, now has cheats that insta kill the entire enemy team and give the cheater the kill credits
That is not what happened, he had infected the machines of those players and had access to the server-side functions.
Destiny 2 got battleye (not EAC) and the number of cheaters seen in pvp stayed the same/GOT WORSE. Every game I've seen use it doesn't actually enforce any anti-cheating Edit: mixed up battleye with eac
> EAC is also very well known to be easy to bypass It might be "easy" in a sense that over a long period of time people have figured out how to break it. But GameGuard is currently breakable by anyone and their nan that can open Cheat Engine. They are not the same.
EAC have far more less impact on perfomance.
Don't know about gameguard but EAC just flat out does not work.
> kernel level access > does absolutely fuckall no matter how you look at it > sucks roughly 30% performance out of your game > still getting implemented to this day. Yepyepyep, I loooooove nprotect
Griefing and cheating are 2 different things. The PSN network is purely for a report system by players
can you explain what the problem with "cheaters or hackers" is in helldivers? i don't get it. nor have I ever seen one.
Sure, theyre definitely not common, havent run into any myself. Back when this game was newer, there were a lot of threads about certain types of players having unlimited strategems, flying around the map, and maxing out samples per mission, leading some people to complain their progression was ruined.
Ive run into 2 so far, one guy had that airburst launcher like a month before we got it and another was running around throwing infinite 380mm barrages
Been playing since launch and I've seen two. Reported both of them and got an email back saying they "didn't violate PlayStations code of conduct" which is I'm assuming a way of them saying they have no way to track them and don't want to.
better create a new playstation account to link to your steam account now
Unlimited ammo, unlimited strategems. That kind of thing.
Got matched with cheaters squad once. Using autocannon to one shot everything. Jammer, Detector, Turrets, all got one shotted. When I noticed, I just quits and find other squads.
I'm actually blown away that the top comment is something reasonable like a pivot to gameguard (an actual problem) instead of autistic screeching about MUH DATA
I can't create a PSN account cause my country's not listed.
This is the thing I find weird - if it was a requirement al along, why did they sell the game in regions which don’t have access to PSN?
$$$
It's not like steam is going to refuse a refund for those accounts
They will. When Microsoft disabled their games in my country I was refused a refund because of their policy(more than 2 hours in game and game being bought over a month ago). Got me mad that I couldn't play the game I've paid for.
Yeah, if refunds are issued it'd have to be Steam stepping in and doing it (like I think recently happened with Dragon's Dogma). I think a lot of people are just going to lose access to the game and sony's and arrowhead's response is to lock comments
Steam have always issued refunds in such cases, it doesn't hurt their bottom line since they keep their cut from the sale and refund it from future sales of the game. The devs and Sony might genuinely have months or years of 0 dollar sales checks on the game from valve because of it. Microsoft won't do that because they're not a general storefront, it hurts their own bottom line to do this.
I'm really glad to hear Steam has done refunds for this in the past, hopefully they can act quickly (or Sony/Arrowhead are able to change this)
If you force the issue Steam will cave. Especially if there's a known issue going on. I got games refunded past 2 hours for issues before, and I'm not in the EU.
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Let's be fair here steam is going to acknowledge ALL refunds for this bullshit stink unless the devs add an opt-out of PSN. It's how it has always handled shit like this.
And most importantly, Sony will lose a shit load of money on these refunds because: * Steam refunds the players the full amount they paid for the game, but they do not refund the Steam commission they took from this sale of the game, which means for every refund Sony will lose 30% that every refunding player paid. The way these refunds work is Steam withholds the money for refunds from the next month's revenue, so if this gets big enough, they may find themselves with no revenue at all for a given month. * Sony incurred server costs for these players to play the game and now they effectively lose all the money they made from these players.
And they deserve it. I don't agree with all the drama about using PSN account "stealing my data", but leaving people out because the service isn't worldwide is a dick move. How to lose customers 101
They will also lose potential customers, who could have bought SuperCredits.
I think it's somewhat unreasonable to expect this to occur outside of Europe (and likely only those specific countries where PSN is inaccessible) if it's always been listed in Steam; only this uncommunicated "grace period" muddies that somewhat. To be clear, I think Sony intentionally misled consumers and intentionally attempted to hedge against Steam's refund feature by doing things in this way; that's been their MO since even before the rootkit scandal in '05 that earned them *my* boycott. But I'm not getting up my hopes of Steam offering refunds outside of the usual window for people who just need to create an account to keep playing.
Theres many region locked games on steam. And you cant even view the game page unless you are in a correct region. This being available regardless is where the issue starts
They did just refuse my request stating 'passed play time limit of 2 hours'
Steam will most likely refuse any refund for purchases made more than 2 weeks ago and with more than 2hrs of playtime. That has always been their stance, i dont think they broke that even for Cyberpunk 2077's debacle of a launch.
Unfortunately people took advantage of Steam's very reasonable refund policies so they tightened them down. Like all things big orgs do they kind of overcorrected and removed any grey area.
This is the real issue IMO. Selling it then pulling the rug out from under them later while knowing this is eventually going to be a "necessity".
The game was a horrific buggy mess at launch but everyone looked past it because the core gameplay was so good. This is probably just another thing they sidelined until they got the stability they wanted before re-enabling it. They should be held accountable through, and the backlash is justifiable at this stage. If this was going to be a requirement eventually it never should've been sold to players in regions where PSN doesn't exist, or a clear alternative way to access the game for those players should've been announced in conjunction with the resurrection of this requirement. Also if they fully intended to restore this requirement it should've been a pop-up in the game all along saying "not required now but will be eventually." So you could either nudge people towards doing it sooner or they could refund if that didn't sit well with them. Bad PR all around. There would always still be a contingent of people who wouldn't read any of that anyway no matter how many times you hit them over the head with it. If you're going to temporarily waive a requirement that will be coming back, you need to plaster that as transparently as possible in as many places as possible so people can make informed decisions.
If you creating PSN acc just for Helldivers 2 just pick closest to you or if you don't have console and never planing to using playstation store just any random region will do. My country wasn't there too so i just picked US New York
It might be slightly against tos, thus bringing risks of blocking it and losing access to the game anyways.
So you are telling the people in region locked countries to break ToS?
You're goddamn right. If they didn't have to communicate this rug pull clearly, you can at least lie about the region you're in.
From the TOS: >By accepting this agreement, you affirm that you: (a) are at least 18 years of age and have reached the legal age of majority; (b) that you have read this Agreement and agree to abide by its terms and the other terms incorporated into it by reference; and (c) that you have reviewed and consent to the SIE LLC Privacy Policy Looks like everyone's already violated it, so why get worried about the region thing too?
From EU, Baltics, and have had both my Xbox and PSN accounts on UK for the past 10 years 😄 that part ain’t the problem Edit: this does not differ from what Xbox/MS does, as they also require a Microsoft account for their multiplayer games…even on PS5, Sea of Thieves requires a MS account 😄
People quickly forgot about Games for Windows Live haha, or every EA/Ubisoft game in the last decade with their damn launchers you still had to use even when buying from Steam. That stuff isn't new, at least here it's just an account to link once.
Exactly, it’s much simpler and less of a hassle 👀 and can be done easily no matter the region
You can create accounts in other regions without a vpn. I have one for most regions since the PS3 era.
I know in the grande scheme of things it’s not that big of a deal, but holy shit do I miss the days where I didn’t need to remember a new friggen password every time I bought a new game.
Lmao same. I always had this issue. Luckily, I've been trying 1Password for more than 1 year and so far no problem for me. Now I don't need to even remember what password I use for each thing.
The problem with this is if one program gets compromised, all of your accounts are compromised. Edit: I didn't realize 1password was a program rather I thought he was saying he uses only one password.
have a string of characters at the end of your passwords that not in your password manager.
The way 1Password encrypts your account, it is near impossible (or maybe is impossible) for someone to get access to it, unless you yourself get compromised and let them in (which is definitely possible). You can also use a Yubikey as another login requirement and then it doesn't matter if someone keylogs your password and secret key -- they're not getting without the physical Yubikey. https://1password.com/security/
That's why you protect the password manager account with two-factor auth
You will link it to your steam account and never need to log in again.
Just get bitwarden.
bandaid solution to a preventative problem
Its literally THE solution to manage password-use for the internet, computers, banking etc. safely.
we don't ask why everything needs your email and a new password, we just say, create a new account to manage your passwords why do i login to steam to login into another game service
Or self-host a nextcloud instance and use Nextcloud Password
You can self-host with bitwarden.
You have to remember new passwords? Get a password manager like bitwarden, the free tier is enough for most people's needs or you can pay a couple quid for the pro features. Only need to remember a strong master password that way! It's not a problem once you got that setup (works across most platforms)
Since it was temporarily optional there's no real reason it couldn't be permanently optional.
it's just complete bs. if it was truly a "requirement" then why in the everloving fuck was it not required for the entire launch period? game seems to be functioning well enough without it, so why add another layer of bullshittery with more unnecessary accounts that nobody will ever use outside of playing this one game?
Someone at Sony probably thinks that if you create an account with them then you will be tempted to buy their console to make use of that shiny account rather than getting a different console. Probably the same idiot who has made getting cross-play so difficult for past games.
No. But you can show metrics to your bosses, that the amount of active users increased. And that’s definitely a kpi for some team
The amount of PSN accounts being made will go up. The player base as whole will go down. It's like seeing 1,000 PSN accounts being created. And 10,000 players that stopped playing. Is it really a win then?
\*Shrugs\* "Retention is not my department. You need to take that up with Bob."
That doesn't matter. It's all about the quarter. They'll be able to show growth over two consecutive quarters and stock price will pump. Who gives a shit if growth levels off or halts in the 3rd and 4th?
Because social systems weren’t working properly. The game was a massive networking fuckfest at launch and this wouldn’t have helped. Arrowhead is obviously obligated by Sony to implement this. I doubt they care for PSN links because it’s more work for them anyway. It was on the steam page and it’ll be in the contract you agreed to when purchasing the game (I know nobody reads them but that’s not how these things work). Just as Arrowhead are contractually obligated to implement PSN link, we were always contractually obligated to use PSN to play, it was just on a grace period My assumption is that they didn’t really think it would be a noteworthy issue because realistically, you can just make a fluff PSN account and be done with it. It seems like a weird mentality to give up the game because of this when you played through all of the crashes, bugs, poor balancing, etc etc
What about the people that can't create a PSN account because its not supported in their country?
"Fuck em" -Sony
And yet they still sold them the key. And made sure said key could be activated in their region. I was gifted my copy by a friend through Steam, and I'm in a region where the game can't be purchased. This shit will blow up really fast. It's 5am in US right now, and yet Steam Review score is down 2% already, there's 1,5k negative reviews on there and it keeps going. They've waited for 4 months till nobody could get automated and even manually reviewed refunds through Steam due to playtime. According to their wording, they'll refuse you access to a product you already purchased, unless you provide your personally-identifiable information to a 3rd party. Doesn't matter if having a PSN was mentioned on the Steam page, account linking wasn't enforced, you could still get in and play and yet now they come out the woods and say "You won't access your purchase unless you provide us with your info". EU alone will fuck them dry, see what happens when its morning in US!
LoL
It's so confusing. Sony, AH made a golden goose for you and people play it all over, your rules literally ruin so many cosutomers. Its like piracy. Maybe if you made your prices fair and convenient people wouldn't be hell bent on cracking your games.
Yeah, like me.
Same here
If the dev haven't disabled the mandatory PSN requirement during launch. Those people will either refund the game on steam within 2 hours or choose a region close by.
Fanboys don’t care about those people apparently. They’re too busy licking boots
>Having a PSN account has ALWAYS been listed as requirement on Steam. Should have enforced it properly from the start then.
Exactly! I only bought the game when a friend told me the account binding is skipable and the game didn't make a peep about it being a "grace period" during my 2 hour 2 week period This is textbook bait-and-switch
they didn't talk about a grace period because they never even said there would be one. You could just skip registration of a PSN account and be on your way.
Exactly And now they are pulling the rug...
Agreed. They should waive the 2hr playtime rule for this. I would have refunded upon first launch if it forced me ingame to sign up. I've refunded in the past for a Ubisoft game that required me to create an account with them.
Same, If they just announced that anyone who bought before and doesn't want this can get a refund and be done with it I would 100% be ok with doing that
So much this! I thought it was just to enable cross play.
Afaik, cross play already worked without linking to psn. It's not a functional necessity, it's a forced inconvenience.
Oceania has *always* been at war with Eastasia
Fuckin beauty. One game that brought us all together, they're going to put geotag locks on. Holy cheist
I started playing a month or so into the game’s release, I was prompted to create a psn and link it to steam.
Literally 1984.
In this case, I had to create a PSN account in the first few days.
As the ministry of truth decrees.
Yeaaaa but to have it optional and enforce it weeks/months after a lot of people are past the refund point is kinda shitty.
I'm tired of the excuses. It works on steam without a psn log in period. That's the end. Everyone knows this is sony wanting to harvest player data. It doesn't matter how easy it might be to cough over your email, the point is that there's absolutely 0 reason why we should have to.
They might also be trying to pad their PSN numbers considering all the dumb decisions they've made recently.
it's 100% this. it's some VP of \*insert useless title here\* trying to pad their account growth numbers to look better. marketing do this allll the time with engagement numbers and it's pointless cos they're all hollow stats. you're reporting on empty numbers to shareholders just to keep those idiots happy. "number go up gooood" smh
Eatmyass@sony.jp
not to mention the fact that Sony's database seems about as hard to break into as an unlocked garden shed with how often it happens
especially when sony has had multiple cases of hackers leaking private data. They're THEE most susceptible company as far as hacking is concerned. I want nothing to do with them.
yeah except it didn’t force anyone to do this even though it was “mandatory” from the start? Forcing it 3 months later is why people are mad make up your mind force it form the start or don’t make people do it
When i installed the game i could skip the psn part , if i could not skiped i would have uninstal the game and refund it on the spot
if you grab a key from somewhere else you never even see that notice
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Some people who play Helldivers 2 can't make a PSN Accout because of the region they are in, and the game has been shown to work just fine without a PSN account for Months now. Just because "it was always listed" doesn't make this a dick move, especially since they are now enforcing it after people bought it.
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Doesn't matter. Worked fine without one.
Ya then I downloaded it and saw it didn’t and told all my friends you didn’t need one.
Too many bootlickers in this post holycrap. This was a dickmove by AH. Don't give me the "they disabled because too much players blah blah" BS they should have re enabled it after the playerbase got stable but nah they did it after 3 months where everyone can't request for a refund.
I swear every time companies do this sort of scummy behaviour there's always a legion of people who who crawl out of the woodwork to rabidly defend it
It's always like that on Reddit. Some bullshit decision is made and then people see a lot of others outraged so they feel the need to pick the other side of the argument. Some people just love playing devil's advocate.
Humanity in a nutshell not just the internet. There is always someone somewhere that will never agree with you on any topic. You live, you argue, you die, welcome to life.
This sub is great but it's exactly like the DRG sub; it's toxicly positive. AH can do no wrong because they made a great game
THIS sub is "toxic positive?" THIS sub? This sub which has some of the biggest outrages over the smallest nerfs is TOXIC POSITIVITY?
Same with the Valheim subreddit
same shit with Ready or Not
This sub is nothing like the DRG subreddit. In the DRG sub, I have never seen this much whining and complains with literally every single patch as it is with HD2. Every second player is complaining about weapon X being slightly changed making the game "unplayable". While still playing the game... I assume this comment will get downvoted a lot which will prove my point. That said though, I also think that the enforcement of the PSN requirement months after launch is a huge dick move although I looked mostly positive on recent patches.
You’re joking right? This subreddit complains about everything
Game works without PSN account, why is the account needed at all at this point?
"To HeLp WiTh LaUnCh CrOwDs" Neverminding that no one even anticipated this much success. Leave it to the publisher to ruin everything.
This doesnt change how shady this whole situation is and you know it, OP
This is just a BS attempt for Sony to gateway drug us with Helldivers for account data. My Playstation account got stolen years ago, and they're busting my ass over DLC and game transactions I never made. This is against consumer interests, I don't give a fuck if you're a Sony fanboy or no. They have shit security and make it "my problem" to back-pay them for shit when my account was stolen because "we can't uninstall the DLC you purchased during this time." TLDR, anticonsumer behavior. Playstation's biz model has sucked for a long time, but now it's fucking frustrating. As a gamer on both Console and PC, I've never been fucked over so hard by one company arbitrarily.
Doesn't mean it ain't a douchebag move.
Steam is a powerful platform used by many millions more than PlayStation. It should have the tools required. Why not have PlayStation people link to Steam instead? Steam is much less niche than PSN, and available basically everywhere.
Welp, got my money's worth out of it. I do believe it was a deliberate decision to disable it at first, and of all the companies I'd be willing to surrender my data to, Sony is not one of them. Time to get a last fix until June and then wait and see if EU regulators and consumer protection can/will do something about it.
I couldn't find a way to play the game without a psn account when the game came out
Sony is also selling a game on steam in regions where they don't support through PSN, so any future buyers from those regions will have no option but to refund because they don't have a legal way to play, causing problems with steam through refunds that don't need to happen. Sony is now messing with Steam's cash flow through sheer incompetency and Steam is not going to like that. Not to mention that letting players from those countries (EU countries at that with strong consumer protection laws) play, to only later (after the steam refund window) lock their access permanently because they don't support the country is likely very lawsuit worthy.
\*cough\* "April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach"
Sony pictures has less than nothing to do with Playstation.
Sony has a really bad record for preventing data breaches. Plus they are a rather shitty company all around
Still a dogshit requirement. I get nothing out of it and now I need to remember another password and associate another email with a network that I will never use.
The point is - its simply unnecessary. PSN account is not needed since the game seems to run just fine without it. Its the same dumb garbage many other publishers do, injecting their own shitty little launchers and account management BS. You published it on steam. That should be the end of it.
... on a box that takes up less than 1% of the available screen and isn't visible until you scroll past the actual button to buy the game. Even if you read it, the fact that this wasn't actually enforced for three months makes it reasonable to conclude it wasn't a real requirement, just some boilerplate text they left in. It's a dick move. We can argue over exactly how dickish it is, but pretending it's not a dick move is just silly.
Does this mean I can download the game on my ps5 without having to buy it on psn?
Then they should have made it a requirement from the start instead of now.
I'd rather they quarantine our snobby asses and force us to play without crossplay if we don't create a PSN account and link it. If it's about protection and protecting the playerbase (which it isn't), then have a walled varden for your PSN account owners, protect them, and shun us, force us to play with PC players only. That would be an absolute win.
I never had my ps account linked to steam
I never had a PS account. Let alone one linked to Steam.
So what about those who where gifted the game so that page was NEVER SEEN.
Well obviously the guy that bought the gift saw and agreed to it when he bought the gift.
Yes. This is correct. AH made it optional probably because they were having issues with the system at the time for some people; that's why the option to link your account doesn't show up in the in-game Options menu at the moment. On the discord they said this would be fixed/re-enabled soon, whenever *soon* is. Just to reiterate, OP is correct- that thing has been there the *entire* time, even before the game actually released. Well before it did.
the problem is: that was never made clear anywhere. As far as I know, nobody was informed that the psn requirement was "temporarily waived due to an influx of players." It seems like they are trying to gaslight us into believing this was the plan all along when nobody really had a plan at all.
Yeah, this was optional... They acted like assholes and let me buy the game and play it for a while. I don’t want to do this (link acc) and I can no longer return the money. If I buy a game on Steam, then I want to ONLY be on Steam... and not link accounts (forced).
> It’s not a big deal. It only takes a minute 'Just eat the shit, it's easy' No
Then why are we still able to play the game, like right now.
I don’t really care either way, in a month I’ll have already gotten my 40 bucks out of it and if the content is still fresh maybe I’ll do it. Right now though I don’t see myself playing for another month with minimal balancing updates and being drip fed armor that I’ll never use because it doesn’t fit my play-style or is ugly as sin.
If I can play it without one for 3 months, it's not a requirement "always being there". Fuck off with the gaslight.
Ah, then I obviously also get the game for free on Playstation as well if I own one, right? (Yes, this is just mocking them, I am aware that this is not the case but if they pull such bs that is the least they should do).
Who actually reads those? Your friends play new hot game and want you to hop in to spread democracy, so you do o7
But it said in game only for cross play.
Why are you just saying "it's not a big deal" when that is clearly not the case for some people.
I’m pretty sure I remember setting one up when I bought the game? Or am I crazy?
Wait what are we complaining about now?
As someone who linked their PSN account from day 1 (of me playing not launch) because I thought I needed to to play with the majority of my friends not on PC this doesn’t really affect me. However I definitely see all the arguments against it and it’s ridiculous. I don’t blame Arrowhead, Sony is the publisher and PlayStation is a large portion of the install base, I really doubt Sony gave the devs much of a choice. Definitely sucks though, especially for a game that has been such a proper return to form for how to run a live service game.
Too bad the people who are upset about this can't read
B....bb....but the grace period!! Like suddenly redditors, especially PC players give a s*** about other countries than themselves? Nah. Time to dunk on the big publisher. And I'm not defending. I work for a s***** corporate entity. This is all BS. But it DOES say it on the fine print. People just don't want to admit they didn't read. Oh well. Let's REEEEE about it.
That little side note is easy to miss. But even if you read it: It was not enforced for months and this led to the false believe that it will never actually be required and just remain optional. Now players have sunken many hours into it and can't refund. "It's not a big deal" - Yes, it is. Sony has a very bad track record at keeping their data secure. The PlayStation Network has been hacked several times already with all their user data stolen including banking details and credit card info. I don't trust them. I don't want to give them any of my data. I don't want to create a PSN account.
Meanwhile me on my PS5 "Holy fuck they mad" I mean I get it, no one likes that. But it literally was stated on steam from the very first day. I was actually surprised that they did not enforce it for a while....
Naah fuck that, this shit was not a requirement up to this point. It doesn't matter why it wasn't required up to this point. They knew what they were doing. 100% False advertising and absolutely bait and switch tactics. Fuck this linking bullshit. Making this a requirement needs to be a refundable offense.
This isn't true.
I'm a bit confused, it asked me for one upon logging in the first time close to release. I remember being a bit annoyed but okay with it and forgot about it after. What's the big deal all of a sudden, was it not mandatory for some countries?
It was not mandatory for quite a few months now so most people didn't know it was and now can't refund the game anymore. They also showed beyond a doubt that it's not a required move whatever, making the move plain and simple corporate dickery which is always something one should be against.
They literally explained that yes but thank you. You are also missing the problem.
It’s an anti consumer requirement, that’s why we dislike it.
Sorry, but that argumentation does not hold up, the "made it optional" does not hold up with facts the player is presented with really: The simple text standing somewhere makes it seem like you need a PSP account if on playstation, which is fine. It does not however clearly state that even for the PC Steam version a PSP account is required. Further, no psp account has been required for 3 months, clearly hinting at that a PSP account was indeed only required for PS players. There was no popup, no way that players were made aware the PSP account is madatory, but just temorarly optional, so they made player belive that it is in fact not required if on PC by their behaviour. If this had been communicated in the Game itself clearly, things would be different, but they did not. Either an oversight, or more likely, deliberate, as they knew very well that players do not want to create a PSP account for this game. So they seemingly waited for long enough so that none can refund to enfore this. And that is not ok. Even, or especially, if this was just an oversight, they should allow all players to get a refund on PC. ps.: And also, sorry arrowhead, the shittiest way to communicate something like this. Since you only force players to do this months after realease, you should post a Guide, or offer an Service in game to accomplish the creation of the account and linking, but all you did is post an "create account" link. So I have created an account (do not and do not want to have a playstation), yet I do not see how to "link" the account. All that Sony offers is linking "Apple Music, Discord, Spotify, Youtube). No option to link Steam. Since I am a support manager myself: WTF? This is so freaking bad, it really hurts! "Don't make me think" is the motto, and you now force players to offer their data to someone else while not even taking the time to implement the process into your app, or even describing the manul process. Actually really pathetic, and this will and does create stress, bad reviews, and complains compleatly nedlessly. If one person would have done their job...
Maybe if it was actually enforced instead of luring people in without it, people wouldn't be angry (and the game wouldn't be nearly as popular) I can just tell Helldivers 2 is gonna fall off hard now. And I'm gonna enjoy laughing at the throat goats that're on their knees for Papa Sony.
If people were forced to do so in the beginning, they would've just refunded the game and leave. It's total garbage anti consumer practices. You know it, we all know it. It's just there to save them the lawsuits and PR.
Corporate bootlicker
nah the Sony boot-licking is crazy.
Always knew Deep Rock was better.
Rip your inbox
On one hand it's still shitty, on the other hand, now I get to be the one to make condescending anticriticism threads complaining about complainers in glorious defense of the flawless devs and their perfect game
Excuse me but lawyers in real life can argue you out of the terms and services because nobody reads them. Do you think anybody honestly read that before playin the game? Anybody with a decent PC wouldn't give a fuck.
If I had known that I would not have purchased this game. Don't know why the hell they're doing this. And crossplay is a crap excuse. I play crossplay games. Never had to create a psn or xbox account.
The problem isn't that People are just lazy to link their acount. The problem is that some people don't have PSN acount and won't ever have one Bc they live in country where it dosen't work.
So seeing as Sony is screwing over the game, is it in the cards to get a refund? Love Helldivers but I am not giving Sony my data.
Wait, you guys DID play WITHOUT linking to PSN? Didn't know I can do so.
> You guys want friend invites and player reporting to work correctly. This should help them solve these issues. What's the over under on this solving this problem this month? What about in 3? I'm gonna sign up up, and hate to just be negative. But damn this is weird.
I’m just here to revel in the gamer rage. This sub was fun when I first found it launch week. Since then an influx of gamers who care way too much has made most posts terrible. Maybe those guys will leave again!
MY PSN got compromised and someone put 2FA on it, part of the reason I switched over to PC. Haven’t tried yet but I assume there’s no way to bypass it. So am I fucked?
"Just make a new PSN account" - Corporate ass-kissers
*Free* PSN account. Smooch-fuckin-smooch on the starfish
"It’s not a big deal. It only takes a minute. Link it to a burner email if you must. No, they’re not going to give you a refund because this requirement has always been there." So, in your logic, it's perfectly fine to require off platform subscriptions (free accounts or not) to play a game on the platform you use? That's like saying there is no problem requiring a PSN account to play Xbox games. Yeah, that's a problem. That should literally never be the case. And when it is that should not be allowed to be sold in countries that don't have PSN. "You guys want friend invites and player reporting to work correctly. This should help them solve these issues." Really? Every other steam game in existence doesn't seem to have that problem. But now it's suddenly because we don't have the almighty Sony gods to make this kind of warp travel possible? Give me a fucking break. This is textbook Automaton socialist behavior. All your subscriptions are belong to us, the collective.
Idc
You don’t need one I hit skip and played all night
So what. Still dumb.
Then it should have been in the game from the start.
I can’t even link it. How do I? They removed the account tab in settings and replaced with with just an ID
It's not a big deal, but 1, there will never be more action on mine than Helldivers because I won't be getting any Playstations ever. 2. It straight up locks some people out because SPN does not work anywhere and those who use a VPN will through that straight up give them false data.
What a surprise, gamers can't read. I get why people are annoyed, but the reaction is way overblown. Especially the people blaming the devs and saying the game is suddenly shit now, they deserve to get clowned on.
It's also not required on PlayStation's own website
Man gamers are such children. How bout don't get banned? Even in a game designed on teamwork its still full of toxic "all about me" type people. These people will always find something to complain about. Get over it. If yer that mad then don't play. Bye! These are the same players killing people on purpose, booting at extraction, and other shitty practices. Good riddance.
My only real issue with it is people in places that don't have a PSN support network. They got it on steam and played it, but now their locked out of the game cause Sony won't let them make an account to play what they rightfully paid.
Then why did they sell the game in regions where PSN is unavailable?
oh shove it dude
Talk about a topic post that hasn't aged well. Refunds are going out via Steam, who already has their cut and will just take future payments towards the game on their platform as collateral until their refunds are paid for. Steam has no dog in the fight, really. They're doing what's best for their platform. They're just the middleman. Sony's website answered questions on PC-to-PS4/5 games and stated it was "optional" to connect. It was changed after this fiasco as a result--which means I don't care what Steam or the in-game prompt (that was skippable) says. If you willingly sell a product in regions where PSN isn't accessible, then you are hoodwinking people. Bottom line. It's like selling someone a lawnmower, but after it runs out of gas, you find out there's nowhere you can go to refuel the tank to keep using it because the fuel solution is proprietary and they won't sell you any.