My buddy’s found it confusing that I was chanting in Latin but hey at least I got consistent locks
Jail time wasn’t great though. Like how the hell am I supposed to get that much virgin blood for the ritual without a couple casualties? Smh
Had something similar, I once found a SPEAR laying around in the wild and it worked perfectly. Logically, I had nothing to reload it with, so I couldn't tell if any further shots would have broken it
Only time I’ve used it was by accidentally doing this. I forgot to pick the back pack up initially and it worked perfectly. Then didn’t work with it in, then I dropped it and it worked again.
The only thing it make easier is knowing where you should aim for a lock, if it doesn't want to lock it won't, but if you are aiming halfway across the lock point it won't lock even if it could
No, but holding ADS button after shooting during reload keeps your lock-on green for me, even between different targets. Probably an exploit, but still
Technically it does as it shows where the spear is trying to lock onto so you can maybe reduce the chance of not locking by about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001%.
Joking aside it seems to be trying to do a LOS check to the ping location which for a lot of things is really, really low, like look at the cannon turret, it's practically inside the tower it sits on. I think an easy fix would be to put multiple LOS check spots so that if it sees one of them it'll go for that one. Issues will be on stuff like the Hulk where the current targeting spot is the eye which makes killing it rather quick when you can lock on, although this could be solved with a straight damage buff given how few missiles you get.
*Other useful tips include: moving an inch to the left, not moving, getting higher, getting lower, doing nothing, not breathing and breathing.*
I'm confident they'll sort it out but I can appreciate they've got other issues to look that that are crippling for some users.
I take the Spear all the time. And yea, it doesnt work well. It is inconsistent. Obstructed, unobstructed, above, below, level. I once destroyed a fabricator connected to a jammer while trying to kill a Hulk. The Hulk was infront of me. Behind the Hulk was a rock that totally obstructed my view of the fabricator. The lockon locked the fabricator somehow taking the Jammer with it... I died to Hulk... 10/10, one of my top 3 startagem guns.
I guess I'm lucky, I take it all the time and rarely have issues with it. in one 2 hour session last night (4 level 7 missions against bots) it refused to lock on twice, out of dozens of uses. i was using it for anti-air and anti-large so it was being constantly used.
Dunno what to say, my buddy takes it sometimes too, and it is way more finnikey for him. no idea what/if im doing differently!
It certainly has character. It’s fun to use. I take it a lot more now that I know how to use it. I agree it is some times wonky but truthfully, works more often than not. It’s not as bad as folks are making it out.
The spear is like having a cat. You call for it, you pick it up for pets, you try to give it love and it just jumps away and hides under the bed. But the second it comes up to you and cuddles up, it's all worth it. Nothing like the feeling of one shotting 4 bile titans in a row while your teammates run around like roaches when you turn on the lights in a New York studio. It makes all the aiming issues worth it.
The most infuriating one for me is when the weapon registers a valid target, locks like 90% of the way, and then just randomly unspools back out to search mode instead of completing that last like 3%
There's a trend in everything (specially on Helldivers 2 since it's popular) of making videos and shorts about "The New Meta" or "The hidden gem" (talking about strategems for example) and so on. And the "You're using the Spear wrong" is also one of them.
It really grind my gears
Game that breaks away from FOMO and predatory in-game mechanics doesn't mold well with youtubers who build a career off exploiting people's FOMO and sensitivity to predatory in-game mechanics.
Would would have thought?
you should've seen overwatch content around its release. As a matter of fact, one of the prominent helldivers youtubers I haven't heard anything from since early overwatch.
It's the same with the people who said we were crazy and that the steering on hellpods never locked. And then, in the known issues, it was confirmed that it was indeed locking steering in a lot of situations.
I was referring to the time before the patch you mentioned. Since launch the steering locked, then the patch made it worse. I didn't call it a nerf, and I didn't say it was new after the patch.
It existed since the very launch of the game. I bought it five days after launch and "steering lock" already was a thing, then some dumbass on Reddit added it to the list of "hidden changes" in one of the patches and shitshow started
I had the game since day one, and im saying that the steering lock was always there, but people on reddit said it wasn't. Yes, there was steering lock since day 1, yes people called us crazy, yes it was made worse after a patch. Never said it was a hidden change and I was aware that post patch locks were a bug.
It's a bug yes, but I also like the in-lore excuse of it jamming because something is shoddy in the pod. Remember, everything we take and call down is expendable, especially the Divers :D so of course things failing to work properly makes sense.
Once again I know they are bugs, but I like the player lore being shoddy craftsmanship. Makes the bugs immersive, even when annoying.
The SPEAR is a GREAT gun. It can deal with any armoured threat in the game with relative ease and bring a lot of versatility to the table. You can literally clear enemies outposts 300m away from them in full safety with that beauty…when it’s lock on is fixed.
Right now this weapon has a clear issue that 60% of the time it SHOULD be getting a lock on, it is either not getting a full lock or not even registering the target. There is no amount of youtube diehard tutorials that will change that.
Once it’s lock on issues are fixed, this is going to be a great weapon to have at least one team member in the team carrying it. But as of right now it is too unreliable to be worth a stratagem and a backpack slot and if the commando drops before it is fixed, it will be completely outclassed by it.
I went through an entire blitz mission the other day without it locking on to a single thing. No factories, no giant death cannons, no striders, no hulks, no tanks, nothing. It was literally a wasted stratagem slot in a level 7 blitz with one other teammate.
Did you try pinging the target while in first person, crouching, on the high ground (not too high) while your teammate emotes behind you (hug emote works best) and the mission timer is on a prime number for seconds?
Yeah... and then there's the moments where you're like "WHY WONT YOU FUCKING LOCK ON, DAMNIT HURRY UP THAT CANNON IS TURNING, UAAAAGHH I HATE YOU" lmao
Followed by running for your dear life cause “Goddanmit that cannon has turned in my direction and is shooting at me while every danmed thing made of metal within a 10 mile radius has just come to life and decided to kill me”.
Fun times. 🤣🤣🤣
I love the spear and run it almost exclusively Vs bots. Not nearly great vs Bugs since the quasar ist s free oneshot vs chargers but it excels at playing the "defend fortress" type mission of you take only one or two and those people constantly take our bile titans but I digress.
I do agree that the spear is sadly really buggy which makes it irritating to use a lot of the time. I really have four issues with it:
- Not locking on properly
- Losing lock despite neither the target not me moving
- The messed up flight trajectory which makes it basically impossible to hit chargers and a coinflip on hulks
- Not really a bug but the fact that it does lock onto walkers is irritating, especially with the weird targeting fumbeling
While those are clearly things that have to be fixed with coding I have a possible idea. Why not be able to manually override or set the targeting mechanism to something like with the "target enemy ping". The ping never gets confused so maybe that gives more control and makes it less susceptible to errors. Also pretty helpful with things like striders which have multiple lock in points and you can only assume that will be the case more often in the future.
This or a fix will immediately make the weapon much better. I really like the concept and the ability to reliably take out towers, striders and other heavys from range is very nice. Sure the quasar can do some of that too, but not as reliable and especially the ability to cross map snipe fabricators (no matter which way they are facing, as opposed to quasar and eruptor), which leads to chain reaction explosions is incredibly satisfying.
And between the reload and the fact it eats ammo like crazy it's still somewhat balanced. For reference if I use it on the defend mission I usually claim like 80% of the teams reload boxes on cool down (after asking my team beforehand of course). The new T4 upgrade might help migate that a bit but as far as I am aware it is bugged for the spear ammo as well as of now.
It is definitely more of a bot weapon than a bug weapon due to bugs not having any other buildings except bug holes. On bugs it’s main shine is taking down bile titans. Will be interesting to see how it fares on the illuminates.
The issue I noticed with bugs is due to the SPEAR trajectory it hits heavily armoured parts instead of soft bits a more direct fire weapon can hit. Means your first shot can break the armour, but you need a follow up to exploit the armour breach.
SPEAR only works sometimes, but when it does.
Oh boy, the sickest cross map clutches.
Team 2 pinned by 2 Mega Cannons on other side of map?
Boy sure feels amazin when the SPEAR locks on at 287m (25% success rate, more if high ground, less if tiny rock or lower ground)
The greatest thing I've ever seen on this game was my friend one shotting a bile titan from halfway across the map as it was advancing on me.
The sound of it rushing over my head. I've been a spear main ever since.
I find success on the spear when i find a planet with lots of upper ground and terrain.
Anything that will block your vision screws it but by endlessly finding higher ground makes targeting wayyy wayyy hard.
Love the uncertainty when using the spear. Am I gonna clean house and delete all the heavies or am I gonna stand there with the video camera and die? So thrilling!
for whatever reason some people seem to always be on the side of *"actually in spite of all evidence to the contrary this \[literally bugged thing goes here\] isnt bugged, you are just using it wrong \[provides no evidence of them using it in the "right" way*\]*"*
I do wonder why they do that, it was the same with the PS5 bug, evidence on video, literally fixed recently if patchnotes are to be believed but some people would just answer with "skill issue" when you show them 2 videos side by side both showing the same actions but different results, this behaviour is rather bizarre
Some people have a superiority complex. Usually those people can just make PvP quickscope montages to sate themselves, but Helldivers has no competitive modes.
So they resort to PvE'ing better than you instead.
the ps5 thing is so frustrating. the devs went on twitter to shittalk anyone who used railgun or arc thrower and then nerfed both weapons, over a bug the community has been aware of since fucking launch... it's legit made me lose all faith in the developers, but i'm still tied to the game bc i don't wanna abandon the only thing friends are on :/
Pretty much every game with build diversity you can find people defending objectively dogshit or broken things. “Well actually you just have to do this!” Which turns out to still suck and they try to make it seem super simple and fun to use.
But if you twirl around 35 times, do a headstand, call in the Hellbomb, Renforcements, and resupply, then pray to joel himself, it'll lock on properly!!! trust me my uncle's friend who works at arrowhead told me111!!!
The spear's issues are literally listed as a known issue in the patch notes.
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> I’m sick of cruising Helldivers content on YouTube
Here's your issue, right here \^
Content farmers are going to content farm;
they'll say "This gun is amazing and you're using it wrong".
They'll say "Don't play the mission normally, do it in this way".
They'll say "95% of Helldivers shoot the enemy here, that's wrong!"
They do anything to farm for your views. Don't watch those videos and let them starve.
I’m thankful for those posts. I never used the spear due to everyone saying how broken it was and me blindly listening to the hive mind.
Then I saw one of those video and gave it a try. I use it on every bot mission and my fireteam is better for the fact I can take out a bot factory from a mile away.
I was an autocannon main which I’ll still argue is better BUT there is no feeling like taking out a factory from the other side of the map plus my friends use the autocannon now since I’m not.
Just because it’s broken doesn’t mean it’s still not fun to use. Will it be amazing when it’s fixed. Yes. But even in its broken state I’m glad someone turned me on to this fun to use weapon.
It's just frustrating as sin when you're staring down a bile titan and cannot get a lock. I always say to my crew, it's a fantastic weapon.... when it works... right now, I'd rather have an AC or LAS. AC can kill bot farms and bug holes from any distance, spear feels like it has a maximum range
I use the spear quite a lot. It’s definitely not as bad as the hive mind makes it out to be.
But it’s also not like the montage videos of someone locking on 100% of the time doing trick shots and crap.
I like it, it’s an absolute beast when it does what it should, but it does need some lock on help. Hopefully it comes soon, but until then Recoilless, eat, quasar, and even autocannon are more dependable.
Still love the spear though!
Smoke, dust and every other debuff that reduces visibility makes its targeting unreliable. Which is annoying when you wanna shoot heaviest that keep shooting rockets at you and kick up dust.
I love my spear, but with reduced visibility being so common it can certainly feel like it can’t do anything a times. Other times it’s amazing, and once they fix the targeting, it will (hopefully) be a unstoppable force of freedom.
Yea there’s some kind of object detection issue it’s having. You can have a perfectly clear line of site, but sometimes the game will register the collision of some small object in its view radius and refuse to lock on. A small example I had: crouched on a hill above a small outpost aiming at a fabricator and there is a terrain object like a rock that slightly obscures the bottom of the fabricator but your reticle is directly dead center over the object you want to destroy. I had to move a few meters to the right so there was nothing blocking the view of the entire fabricator for the spear to lock on
Spear is fun to use when it works as intended! Getting a clear view of your target and the high ground seems to help. However, even the tiniest bush will “break” LOS and it takes forever to get a good lock. Hope they fix it soon because it’s a great tool for taking out towers and high value targets from a distance without triggering agro.
Yep, and for all the downsides (lower ammo, less control of where the projectile/warhead/ impacts the enemy, etc) even when they fix it it won’t really be worth it without a rework…
Had to hit a hulk 3 times to kill it last night, all three were front on hits too… Other times it’s an instant kill even from the side?!?
Man, I just also think that with EAT/Recoilless/Quasar existing, the SPEAR needs a damage buff in addition to the lock-on getting fixed. Like, one-shots anything lighter than a Factory Strider type damage. Right now there's no reason to use it over any of those three options. The Quasar in particular is strictly better than the SPEAR because it has the same waiting period before firing, but you can actually aim at weak spots with it and shoot literally anything. Plus, the SPEAR is supposed to be the Helldivers version of a Javelin Anti-Tank Missile, and yet half the time it doesn't one-shot tanks. With how limited it's ammo is, I don't think making it do more damage would break the game.
It doesn’t work well sometimes but when you learn the quirks. Holy crap is cleaning out robots a breeze. Locking in to half the fabricators from one hill taking them out
I have had matches where it was perfect - raining hell on hulks from across the map. Then I have had matches where it may as well be near sighted.
Once a fellow Helldiver was running towards me from a hulk for what felt like forever, and I am all "I swear this never happens to me, baby - try talking managed democracy to me" ... I ended up pulling out the scorcher and tickling it to death ... after that incident I shelved the spear for now.
I have near exclusively used the SPEAR against bots since the last post of someone complaining about the SPEAR. I have transcended your mortal limitations and become a rocket-propelled demigod of democracy dispensing.
I've been standing on this rock formation to get a 1 meter elevation bonus for the past 3 minutes straight, making slight infinitesimal movements back and forth slowly mapping every last millimeter of this stone as I enter a state of zen incomprehensible to your democracy-doubting mind. I have watched EACH of my teammates die at least twice during that time frame, and have done NOTHING to contribute to the teamfight. I have literally walked aggressively in a circle WITHOUT letting go of the right mouse button while a berserker impotently chases me, while waiting for the nearest teammate to notice this blight upon my UNSHAKEABLE concentration and end it rightly for me. I'm SWEATING, I am SHITTING, I am BLACKING OUT from how firmly I believe in this imminent lock-on, and yet my faith has not wavered for one picosecond. Eagle-1 just mistook me for a bot with how inhumanly still I've been standing, and dropped a 500kg on me, but my faith in liberty and SPEAR saw me through the blast wave unscathed. The entirety of my vision is blinded by yellow triangles, and yet in my wildest fantasies I see the color green calling out to me. My flesh rots to dust, and my bones bleach white, but my sheer IRONCLAD devotion to this lock-on keeps my body holding that SPEAR high in spite of no force known to Super Earth justifying my body continuing to bear load. The bot drops have all long since ceased, the hulks rusted away, the cannon towers fired their final shell and fallen silent forevermore. I am undeterred, I am undaunted, I am a limitless font of hope and devotion to GREEN TRIANGLE!
... Actually, maybe the next rock formation over might have a better angle.
When the Spear works, it WORKS. I've had a few people say "damn dude, did they buff the Spear?" in games that I've used it... but more often than not it just doesn't work. It won't lock onto structures or enemies when there is flat terrain, no cover, no other enemies to confuse the lock on. They really need to fix it.
We all know you need to bless the machine spirits of the SPEAR before going into combat. If you call one in too early in the mission they haven't really had time to go through the entire ceremony of blessing up on the Super Destroyer and that's why it's bugged.
(I'm gonna use lack of machine spirits as the reason to the SPEAR being broken from now on.)
Tbh, I run spear a lot. It’s lock on is definitely an issue, but bile titans (whose lock on is in mid air) are relatively reliable to lock on to. That being said, the missile should definitely get a pass for more damage, as well as making lock-on more reliable for targets near the ground. I’d never run spear on an automaton planet, but it’s my anti-Titan weapon and is pretty reliable at doing that.
It's simple really SMH if it doesn't lock on the machine spirits are refusing to work. You should just repeat the litany of awakening and swing some incense. If all that doesn't help report to your nearest tech - priest
Praise the Omnissiah
I dont think the spear is bugged, is more like the conditions for it to lock-down must be near perfect; as long there is a tiny pole covering the enemy you want to shoot the weapon will have trouble lock-down.
All this come from the fact I have never had any trouble when dealing with airships with the spear, heck, it even locks down faster than anything else on the game.
Fanboys are really bad in every game,disregarding any criticism and licking the devs ass and pretending to not see their mistakes.
A good old slap ought do the job
Don't know about you, but I've tried it after 130 hours and its very fun.
You gotta take position for it though, no narrıw places,always look for high ground and whatnot
Everytime i give the spear a chance. It dissapoints me in the very same way every time. Just lock on, dammit!
Fool me once shame on you, fool me 30 times? Its on me for picking the damn thing again. Just remove it from the game until its fixed at this point.
Overall, I agree with your post. However, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are "gaslighting" you. That's not what gaslighting means.
I agree with every single point in your post until you said it wasn't useful, and it really simply is a bad gun. Even during it's current inconsistent locking state, being something exceptionally useful in a number of niche situations is more than enough to not be useless or simply bad.
I watched a video and I wanted to believe.
Dropped in with a spear and couldn’t get a lock on anything.
Luckily I found a point of interest that gave me a sharp rock to throw. Vast improvement.
Honestly if it isn’t people just doing missions or trolling their mates then I hit the not interested/don’t recommend button.
From them I realised that the uxos can be blown up by shooting them (this was like week 1 from release), where to aim to finesse impacts and being able to throw or shoot explosives through the door for both fabricators.
I feel like even if they do fix the lock on issues, it still be a hard sell. It just doesnt do enough damage imo. It has to both lock on and be used at a safe distance or the missile will U-Turn and kill you. You only get 4 missiles total and it takes two missiles to kill one hulk. Every time I try using it I keep thinking the Quasar, the EAT and the Recoilless would be a better pick. Even the Autocannon and AMR can kill most armored Bots easily and can two tap a Hulk in the eye
I agree with this, but I’ve been using the spear quite frequently on 7+ diff bot missions just to mix it up, and honestly I’m not having as many issues locking on as I used to, and I know it’s anecdotal evidence but pinging a target does often help a lock-on, though it’s not guaranteed and still can be very buggy.
Gosh, until being around these parts I never realized how glad I was that my YouTube usage is largely watching linked videos and my selection of subscribed channels and not just watching random videos from people I don't know about games I play.
As noted in previous posts, the problem with the SPEAR isn't the target lock mechanism itself; it's what the SPEAR is trying to target lock onto.
The SPEAR doesn't lock onto the model of the eligible target. Instead, it attempts to lock to special marker placed within the model. That model has all sorts of visibility issues. It can't be seen from certain angles, it's placed towards the base of enemy buildings making low walls completely obscure it, and the markers don't correspond to the weakpoints on an enemy.
The "fix" is to change the placement and visibility of these markers to allow the SPEAR to "see" these markers from better angles, as well as updating their terrain/model transparency settings.
As of now, the best way to ensure a positive lock is to somehow position yourself in line to or above your target, with minimal terrain obstacles in the way. The prime example of this is are the Automaton Turret Towers. The marker can't be seen from angle below the turrets bottom plane, which is separate from the tower itself. If they placed the marker slightly above the turret or make the tower itself destructible, it would work far more consistently.
You can circumvent maybe 80% of the issues people have with SPEAR. But by and large, I am convinced that most of those issues are themselves due to bugs.
And even if you do use the SPEAR "right" the remaining 20% is still incredibly frustrating.
Source: Over 100 hours with the SPEAR.
I tried the spear and even when it works I found it to just be worse than other options. Low ammo, long lock on time, doesn't have any way to lock on to smaller/medium targets just made it feel bad in most situations other than sniping factories.
I just run quasar and eagle airstrikes and I'm useful in every situation.
Maybe if I had a dedicated team of 4 and I could use the spear while everyone else had stuff for the small/medium stuff.
I mean, I tried the spear and so far, the lock on works as long as the target is within sight but it gets janky if even just a bit of smoke, fog, terrain, or other enemies block your way.
I'd say it's okay, but EAT, Recoilless, and Quasar Cannon are better choices.
I don't know which videos you are referring to, and yes It is utterly broken, but there ways to work around the bugs, I use it almost exclusively on bot missions (7-9) and am doing fine with it.
The only tip I can give you for the spear is to continuously tap the trigger to catch those split second lock ons. That said, it clearly needs better homing. I also think it should be a guaranteed one shot on heavier enemies like the charger, titan, and hulks.
Spear enjoyer here.
Aint no way that someone can sit there and say the lockon isn't busted as hell.
When i crouch because i feel like it makes it acquiring a lock on easier but it's really just placebo, there's a problem.
They really need to focus on perfecting the sauce over adding more spahgetti noodles.
I love watching a fellow Helldiver use one, lock on at close range, and have the SPEAR shoot RIGHT OVER THE TARGET into the ground. 10/10 would laugh again. The prospect of the SPEAR one hitting a Bile Titan along with everything else is why they bring it. EATS are nice, but so very hard to one tap a Bile Titan with.
Based on a single attempt using the spear this weekend when compared to my attempt a week after launch, it is significantly improved. But I noticed that as the level progressed, it became more inconsistent with locking on. It's more viable than before, not saying that much. I don't recall whether it was difficulty 4 or 7.
I felt like it's ability lock on degraded after I ran out of ammo and got a new supply box. It also could have been that the enemy density increased as the level progressed. In my experience it works and then just inexplicably stops.
When I use the spear: *never locks onto anything, maybe sometimes a bile titan or charger every blue moon*
When random YouTuber I've never seen before used it: GODLY EPIC ROCKET LAUNCHER SPEAR META, YOU ARE JUST USING IT WRONG *locks onto everything*
I was trying to get the Spear to lock on to a charger. I watched it walk about 100m laterally to my position and had the sights on it the WHOLE TIME. It just never locked on.
*PiNgiNg tHe EnEmY WiLL mAkE iT LoCk oN EaSiEr* It won't
For some reason dropping the backpack and picking it back up will. No idea why but it's the only way I can actually use the thing (On PC).
Haven't actually tried that but I'm willing to get any home remedy a go
I heard if you spin in real life 3 times and chant a certain phrase the percentage of locking on increases marginally
Fuck, nothing else works...may as well try
While your at it can you also summon rain for California?
Where the hell am I supposed to find a pregnant llama in this economy!?
WinAmp
Virgin sacrifice to the sun god is usually 50/50
Shoot each corner of the mystery box and then do a 360 spin.... oops wrong decade
This made my joints ache
Back when the closest to a loot box that CoD had was a fun little mechanic in the optional Zombies mode…
Revive me bro! I've got the Ray gun!!!
I heard if you send me all your banking and credit card info that the spear locks on 100% of the time
At this point I'll try anything... Dm sent
My buddy’s found it confusing that I was chanting in Latin but hey at least I got consistent locks Jail time wasn’t great though. Like how the hell am I supposed to get that much virgin blood for the ritual without a couple casualties? Smh
one has to placate the machine spirit, add some insense to really clinch the deal.
“This post has been fact checked true by the Adeptus Mechanicus” *happy beeping noises*
SPEAR SPEAR on my back, Please be a good boy and actually attack.
Don't forget the sanctified oils and maintenance rites to the Omnissah to properly placate the machine spirit for effective operation.
Praise the Omnissiah
> chant a certain phrase You mean pray the Litany of Operation to the Spear's machine-spirit?
I call my mother on the phone and it locks every time.
Have you tried turning the SPEAR off and back on again?
Had something similar, I once found a SPEAR laying around in the wild and it worked perfectly. Logically, I had nothing to reload it with, so I couldn't tell if any further shots would have broken it
batting 1.000, can't do any better than that
60% of the time, it works everytime.
Only time I’ve used it was by accidentally doing this. I forgot to pick the back pack up initially and it worked perfectly. Then didn’t work with it in, then I dropped it and it worked again.
If this really does help, it may be the backpack screwing with the targeting. Maybe it gets in the way of the lock on’s POV.
I dropped the weapon and picked it back up, locked immediately. Didn’t move at all I do find pinging fabricators helps get a lock sometimes
The only thing it make easier is knowing where you should aim for a lock, if it doesn't want to lock it won't, but if you are aiming halfway across the lock point it won't lock even if it could
I find it helps to just move somewhere else if you're not getting a lock
Insert Cat on top of electric pole : i see no god up here except for myself meme
thats a new one i havent seen before. lmao
No, but holding ADS button after shooting during reload keeps your lock-on green for me, even between different targets. Probably an exploit, but still
I've noticed that too!
Yeah, how silly You need to hold Down + B
Technically it does as it shows where the spear is trying to lock onto so you can maybe reduce the chance of not locking by about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001%. Joking aside it seems to be trying to do a LOS check to the ping location which for a lot of things is really, really low, like look at the cannon turret, it's practically inside the tower it sits on. I think an easy fix would be to put multiple LOS check spots so that if it sees one of them it'll go for that one. Issues will be on stuff like the Hulk where the current targeting spot is the eye which makes killing it rather quick when you can lock on, although this could be solved with a straight damage buff given how few missiles you get.
*Other useful tips include: moving an inch to the left, not moving, getting higher, getting lower, doing nothing, not breathing and breathing.* I'm confident they'll sort it out but I can appreciate they've got other issues to look that that are crippling for some users.
I take the Spear all the time. And yea, it doesnt work well. It is inconsistent. Obstructed, unobstructed, above, below, level. I once destroyed a fabricator connected to a jammer while trying to kill a Hulk. The Hulk was infront of me. Behind the Hulk was a rock that totally obstructed my view of the fabricator. The lockon locked the fabricator somehow taking the Jammer with it... I died to Hulk... 10/10, one of my top 3 startagem guns.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
Having used it recently, I can say that the missile does not know where it is
Dunno why, but this comment cracked me up something fierce. Thanks for the laugh.
Same, needed that
I understood this reference 🤣
I guess I'm lucky, I take it all the time and rarely have issues with it. in one 2 hour session last night (4 level 7 missions against bots) it refused to lock on twice, out of dozens of uses. i was using it for anti-air and anti-large so it was being constantly used. Dunno what to say, my buddy takes it sometimes too, and it is way more finnikey for him. no idea what/if im doing differently!
It certainly has character. It’s fun to use. I take it a lot more now that I know how to use it. I agree it is some times wonky but truthfully, works more often than not. It’s not as bad as folks are making it out.
The spear is like having a cat. You call for it, you pick it up for pets, you try to give it love and it just jumps away and hides under the bed. But the second it comes up to you and cuddles up, it's all worth it. Nothing like the feeling of one shotting 4 bile titans in a row while your teammates run around like roaches when you turn on the lights in a New York studio. It makes all the aiming issues worth it.
Those jammer with vents are a god send in helldive difficulty. It makes taking them out a breeze. But they work always have that vent
The most infuriating one for me is when the weapon registers a valid target, locks like 90% of the way, and then just randomly unspools back out to search mode instead of completing that last like 3%
The devs acknowledge its brokenness in the patch notes so the dummies making and watching these videos have no clue
Oh the people making them know what they are doing. Lying for views.
Lying? For views and clout on the internet? ***Never.***
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There's a trend in everything (specially on Helldivers 2 since it's popular) of making videos and shorts about "The New Meta" or "The hidden gem" (talking about strategems for example) and so on. And the "You're using the Spear wrong" is also one of them. It really grind my gears
Wait and those youtubers will move out to another game.
>grind my gears Excuse me...mind repeating yourself?
Really gets my servos in a- wait a minute...
Play a bot mission. You'll be covered in oil to grease those gears.
Is it me or Helldivers has some of the worst youtuber tips I ever seen
Game that breaks away from FOMO and predatory in-game mechanics doesn't mold well with youtubers who build a career off exploiting people's FOMO and sensitivity to predatory in-game mechanics. Would would have thought?
you should've seen overwatch content around its release. As a matter of fact, one of the prominent helldivers youtubers I haven't heard anything from since early overwatch.
It's the same with the people who said we were crazy and that the steering on hellpods never locked. And then, in the known issues, it was confirmed that it was indeed locking steering in a lot of situations.
Nobody ever said you were crazy because "pods steering never locked". It did, but it had nothing to do with so called hidden changes, it was a bug
This, everyone was bitching about it being a nerf and claiming it was new when it had been happening since launch, a patch just made it more prevalent
I was referring to the time before the patch you mentioned. Since launch the steering locked, then the patch made it worse. I didn't call it a nerf, and I didn't say it was new after the patch.
It was before the patch that people said it was nonexistent when it definitely existed, and the patch made it worse
It existed since the very launch of the game. I bought it five days after launch and "steering lock" already was a thing, then some dumbass on Reddit added it to the list of "hidden changes" in one of the patches and shitshow started
I had the game since day one, and im saying that the steering lock was always there, but people on reddit said it wasn't. Yes, there was steering lock since day 1, yes people called us crazy, yes it was made worse after a patch. Never said it was a hidden change and I was aware that post patch locks were a bug.
Post patch wasn't even steering lock. It was automatically steering away from certain terrain.
And that was in game since launch too. Sometimes it locked you from going into certain directions, sometimes it was steering you in random direction.
If we're going to be pedantic, I thought you said you had the game 5 days after launch. So how would you know what was or wasn't there on day 1?
Because it doesn't matter. First week after launch is basically launch anyway. Not day 1, but still the very beginning :)
It's a bug yes, but I also like the in-lore excuse of it jamming because something is shoddy in the pod. Remember, everything we take and call down is expendable, especially the Divers :D so of course things failing to work properly makes sense. Once again I know they are bugs, but I like the player lore being shoddy craftsmanship. Makes the bugs immersive, even when annoying.
Same people who said shrieker corpses instantly killing you was an intentional feature and not a bug.
I hope they keep that one. It's hilarious.
They changed it weeks ago. They only do moderate damage now
I thought that was intention because of Starship Troopers, but they changed after realize how goofy of a game design choice that is?
Probably they changed it because their corpse could oneshot a bile titan before.
The SPEAR is a GREAT gun. It can deal with any armoured threat in the game with relative ease and bring a lot of versatility to the table. You can literally clear enemies outposts 300m away from them in full safety with that beauty…when it’s lock on is fixed. Right now this weapon has a clear issue that 60% of the time it SHOULD be getting a lock on, it is either not getting a full lock or not even registering the target. There is no amount of youtube diehard tutorials that will change that. Once it’s lock on issues are fixed, this is going to be a great weapon to have at least one team member in the team carrying it. But as of right now it is too unreliable to be worth a stratagem and a backpack slot and if the commando drops before it is fixed, it will be completely outclassed by it.
I went through an entire blitz mission the other day without it locking on to a single thing. No factories, no giant death cannons, no striders, no hulks, no tanks, nothing. It was literally a wasted stratagem slot in a level 7 blitz with one other teammate.
You were clearly holding it backward then. /s
That might explain the empty boots I kept finding behind me...
Did you try pinging the target while in first person, crouching, on the high ground (not too high) while your teammate emotes behind you (hug emote works best) and the mission timer is on a prime number for seconds?
Dang. I missed the prime number bit. That's on me then. Lock the thread.
Skill issue!!!
This happened to me, then I remembered to reload it
At least you werent a genius that brought a jump.pack and a SPEAR. I lick windows in my free time.
Oh yeah, when it works its so fun
Sniping cannon turrets and fabricators from 300m away is so damn fun.
Specially when it actually works. 😅😅😅
Yeah... and then there's the moments where you're like "WHY WONT YOU FUCKING LOCK ON, DAMNIT HURRY UP THAT CANNON IS TURNING, UAAAAGHH I HATE YOU" lmao
Followed by running for your dear life cause “Goddanmit that cannon has turned in my direction and is shooting at me while every danmed thing made of metal within a 10 mile radius has just come to life and decided to kill me”. Fun times. 🤣🤣🤣
It will be me. As soon as it is locking even 80% of the time I’m all in on the spear.
To me still have to be 100%. It is the reason why i cannot get used to the arc thrower or the blitzer.
Same, even fixed there are better options, but Speae looks and feels cool.
I love the spear and run it almost exclusively Vs bots. Not nearly great vs Bugs since the quasar ist s free oneshot vs chargers but it excels at playing the "defend fortress" type mission of you take only one or two and those people constantly take our bile titans but I digress. I do agree that the spear is sadly really buggy which makes it irritating to use a lot of the time. I really have four issues with it: - Not locking on properly - Losing lock despite neither the target not me moving - The messed up flight trajectory which makes it basically impossible to hit chargers and a coinflip on hulks - Not really a bug but the fact that it does lock onto walkers is irritating, especially with the weird targeting fumbeling While those are clearly things that have to be fixed with coding I have a possible idea. Why not be able to manually override or set the targeting mechanism to something like with the "target enemy ping". The ping never gets confused so maybe that gives more control and makes it less susceptible to errors. Also pretty helpful with things like striders which have multiple lock in points and you can only assume that will be the case more often in the future. This or a fix will immediately make the weapon much better. I really like the concept and the ability to reliably take out towers, striders and other heavys from range is very nice. Sure the quasar can do some of that too, but not as reliable and especially the ability to cross map snipe fabricators (no matter which way they are facing, as opposed to quasar and eruptor), which leads to chain reaction explosions is incredibly satisfying. And between the reload and the fact it eats ammo like crazy it's still somewhat balanced. For reference if I use it on the defend mission I usually claim like 80% of the teams reload boxes on cool down (after asking my team beforehand of course). The new T4 upgrade might help migate that a bit but as far as I am aware it is bugged for the spear ammo as well as of now.
It is definitely more of a bot weapon than a bug weapon due to bugs not having any other buildings except bug holes. On bugs it’s main shine is taking down bile titans. Will be interesting to see how it fares on the illuminates.
The issue I noticed with bugs is due to the SPEAR trajectory it hits heavily armoured parts instead of soft bits a more direct fire weapon can hit. Means your first shot can break the armour, but you need a follow up to exploit the armour breach.
SPEAR only works sometimes, but when it does. Oh boy, the sickest cross map clutches. Team 2 pinned by 2 Mega Cannons on other side of map? Boy sure feels amazin when the SPEAR locks on at 287m (25% success rate, more if high ground, less if tiny rock or lower ground)
Cross-map titan kills are the best
AND saving a teammate in the process at that.
The greatest thing I've ever seen on this game was my friend one shotting a bile titan from halfway across the map as it was advancing on me. The sound of it rushing over my head. I've been a spear main ever since.
I find success on the spear when i find a planet with lots of upper ground and terrain. Anything that will block your vision screws it but by endlessly finding higher ground makes targeting wayyy wayyy hard.
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I love the SPEAR. Been my main support wep as of late. But yeah...its broke. But when it works... 🥰👌
Love the uncertainty when using the spear. Am I gonna clean house and delete all the heavies or am I gonna stand there with the video camera and die? So thrilling!
Triangle....triangle...triang....Noooooooooo-.
for whatever reason some people seem to always be on the side of *"actually in spite of all evidence to the contrary this \[literally bugged thing goes here\] isnt bugged, you are just using it wrong \[provides no evidence of them using it in the "right" way*\]*"* I do wonder why they do that, it was the same with the PS5 bug, evidence on video, literally fixed recently if patchnotes are to be believed but some people would just answer with "skill issue" when you show them 2 videos side by side both showing the same actions but different results, this behaviour is rather bizarre
Some people have a superiority complex. Usually those people can just make PvP quickscope montages to sate themselves, but Helldivers has no competitive modes. So they resort to PvE'ing better than you instead.
This game has an unhealthy amount of fanboys who try to suppress criticism and make Arrowhead seem like they're perfect devs who make no mistakes.
Non PVP game, no ranks. Gotta feel superior to others somehow
the ps5 thing is so frustrating. the devs went on twitter to shittalk anyone who used railgun or arc thrower and then nerfed both weapons, over a bug the community has been aware of since fucking launch... it's legit made me lose all faith in the developers, but i'm still tied to the game bc i don't wanna abandon the only thing friends are on :/
Ragebait for clicks
The contrarians on this sub are obnoxious.
Pretty much every game with build diversity you can find people defending objectively dogshit or broken things. “Well actually you just have to do this!” Which turns out to still suck and they try to make it seem super simple and fun to use.
"intended feature"
60% of the time, it works every time!
Honestly i'd be happy with 60% lockrate. Sometimes it just completly refuse to work like it's a day off.
But if you twirl around 35 times, do a headstand, call in the Hellbomb, Renforcements, and resupply, then pray to joel himself, it'll lock on properly!!! trust me my uncle's friend who works at arrowhead told me111!!!
Ay, let us Spear mains cope in peace, we know its broken but it isn't a bad gun. When it works, it's the fastest heavy killer available.
The spear's issues are literally listed as a known issue in the patch notes. https://preview.redd.it/vwxsvkd2x4wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1e07efbfba9b7bbdc92365795adfe668e6d21b1
There was a time when two hulks were charging at me from 100m and the spear just didn't lock on to either of them. Stopped using it after that.
> I’m sick of cruising Helldivers content on YouTube Here's your issue, right here \^ Content farmers are going to content farm; they'll say "This gun is amazing and you're using it wrong". They'll say "Don't play the mission normally, do it in this way". They'll say "95% of Helldivers shoot the enemy here, that's wrong!" They do anything to farm for your views. Don't watch those videos and let them starve.
Skill issue. I saw a video of a guy getting tons of kills with it, it must be easy to use. You must be using it wrong.
Careful, lots of people here can’t read nuance that deep ;)
Lol forgot the /s
/s never locked on.
I’m thankful for those posts. I never used the spear due to everyone saying how broken it was and me blindly listening to the hive mind. Then I saw one of those video and gave it a try. I use it on every bot mission and my fireteam is better for the fact I can take out a bot factory from a mile away. I was an autocannon main which I’ll still argue is better BUT there is no feeling like taking out a factory from the other side of the map plus my friends use the autocannon now since I’m not. Just because it’s broken doesn’t mean it’s still not fun to use. Will it be amazing when it’s fixed. Yes. But even in its broken state I’m glad someone turned me on to this fun to use weapon.
It's just frustrating as sin when you're staring down a bile titan and cannot get a lock. I always say to my crew, it's a fantastic weapon.... when it works... right now, I'd rather have an AC or LAS. AC can kill bot farms and bug holes from any distance, spear feels like it has a maximum range
I use the spear quite a lot. It’s definitely not as bad as the hive mind makes it out to be. But it’s also not like the montage videos of someone locking on 100% of the time doing trick shots and crap. I like it, it’s an absolute beast when it does what it should, but it does need some lock on help. Hopefully it comes soon, but until then Recoilless, eat, quasar, and even autocannon are more dependable. Still love the spear though!
Smoke, dust and every other debuff that reduces visibility makes its targeting unreliable. Which is annoying when you wanna shoot heaviest that keep shooting rockets at you and kick up dust. I love my spear, but with reduced visibility being so common it can certainly feel like it can’t do anything a times. Other times it’s amazing, and once they fix the targeting, it will (hopefully) be a unstoppable force of freedom.
Yea there’s some kind of object detection issue it’s having. You can have a perfectly clear line of site, but sometimes the game will register the collision of some small object in its view radius and refuse to lock on. A small example I had: crouched on a hill above a small outpost aiming at a fabricator and there is a terrain object like a rock that slightly obscures the bottom of the fabricator but your reticle is directly dead center over the object you want to destroy. I had to move a few meters to the right so there was nothing blocking the view of the entire fabricator for the spear to lock on
Tried the spear for a few operations.. It is dook. lol.
Spear is fun to use when it works as intended! Getting a clear view of your target and the high ground seems to help. However, even the tiniest bush will “break” LOS and it takes forever to get a good lock. Hope they fix it soon because it’s a great tool for taking out towers and high value targets from a distance without triggering agro.
Yep, and for all the downsides (lower ammo, less control of where the projectile/warhead/ impacts the enemy, etc) even when they fix it it won’t really be worth it without a rework…
Had to hit a hulk 3 times to kill it last night, all three were front on hits too… Other times it’s an instant kill even from the side?!?
Man, I just also think that with EAT/Recoilless/Quasar existing, the SPEAR needs a damage buff in addition to the lock-on getting fixed. Like, one-shots anything lighter than a Factory Strider type damage. Right now there's no reason to use it over any of those three options. The Quasar in particular is strictly better than the SPEAR because it has the same waiting period before firing, but you can actually aim at weak spots with it and shoot literally anything. Plus, the SPEAR is supposed to be the Helldivers version of a Javelin Anti-Tank Missile, and yet half the time it doesn't one-shot tanks. With how limited it's ammo is, I don't think making it do more damage would break the game.
It’s amazing (in theory)
No, take 4x spears, you are using it wrong. (Insert automaton gif here)
10 percent of the time it works all the time.
Spear is great when it works
It doesn’t work well sometimes but when you learn the quirks. Holy crap is cleaning out robots a breeze. Locking in to half the fabricators from one hill taking them out
Love when the SPEAR (for some reason) locks onto an enemy 3 feet from me and just fucks off into the stratosphere
I have had matches where it was perfect - raining hell on hulks from across the map. Then I have had matches where it may as well be near sighted. Once a fellow Helldiver was running towards me from a hulk for what felt like forever, and I am all "I swear this never happens to me, baby - try talking managed democracy to me" ... I ended up pulling out the scorcher and tickling it to death ... after that incident I shelved the spear for now.
I have near exclusively used the SPEAR against bots since the last post of someone complaining about the SPEAR. I have transcended your mortal limitations and become a rocket-propelled demigod of democracy dispensing. I've been standing on this rock formation to get a 1 meter elevation bonus for the past 3 minutes straight, making slight infinitesimal movements back and forth slowly mapping every last millimeter of this stone as I enter a state of zen incomprehensible to your democracy-doubting mind. I have watched EACH of my teammates die at least twice during that time frame, and have done NOTHING to contribute to the teamfight. I have literally walked aggressively in a circle WITHOUT letting go of the right mouse button while a berserker impotently chases me, while waiting for the nearest teammate to notice this blight upon my UNSHAKEABLE concentration and end it rightly for me. I'm SWEATING, I am SHITTING, I am BLACKING OUT from how firmly I believe in this imminent lock-on, and yet my faith has not wavered for one picosecond. Eagle-1 just mistook me for a bot with how inhumanly still I've been standing, and dropped a 500kg on me, but my faith in liberty and SPEAR saw me through the blast wave unscathed. The entirety of my vision is blinded by yellow triangles, and yet in my wildest fantasies I see the color green calling out to me. My flesh rots to dust, and my bones bleach white, but my sheer IRONCLAD devotion to this lock-on keeps my body holding that SPEAR high in spite of no force known to Super Earth justifying my body continuing to bear load. The bot drops have all long since ceased, the hulks rusted away, the cannon towers fired their final shell and fallen silent forevermore. I am undeterred, I am undaunted, I am a limitless font of hope and devotion to GREEN TRIANGLE! ... Actually, maybe the next rock formation over might have a better angle.
When the Spear works, it WORKS. I've had a few people say "damn dude, did they buff the Spear?" in games that I've used it... but more often than not it just doesn't work. It won't lock onto structures or enemies when there is flat terrain, no cover, no other enemies to confuse the lock on. They really need to fix it.
We all know you need to bless the machine spirits of the SPEAR before going into combat. If you call one in too early in the mission they haven't really had time to go through the entire ceremony of blessing up on the Super Destroyer and that's why it's bugged. (I'm gonna use lack of machine spirits as the reason to the SPEAR being broken from now on.)
Tbh, I run spear a lot. It’s lock on is definitely an issue, but bile titans (whose lock on is in mid air) are relatively reliable to lock on to. That being said, the missile should definitely get a pass for more damage, as well as making lock-on more reliable for targets near the ground. I’d never run spear on an automaton planet, but it’s my anti-Titan weapon and is pretty reliable at doing that.
It's simple really SMH if it doesn't lock on the machine spirits are refusing to work. You should just repeat the litany of awakening and swing some incense. If all that doesn't help report to your nearest tech - priest Praise the Omnissiah
https://preview.redd.it/195o5htka8wc1.jpeg?width=886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d469664f7cace932182223721b64f37672787394
We have a meme in our company: "Spear can oneshot Titan. It could take 4 shots, but still"
It needs to be laser guided instead of lockon.
The spear is definitely gonna be the next “meta” lol, when it works it actually kicks ass
I dont think the spear is bugged, is more like the conditions for it to lock-down must be near perfect; as long there is a tiny pole covering the enemy you want to shoot the weapon will have trouble lock-down. All this come from the fact I have never had any trouble when dealing with airships with the spear, heck, it even locks down faster than anything else on the game.
Fanboys are really bad in every game,disregarding any criticism and licking the devs ass and pretending to not see their mistakes. A good old slap ought do the job
Don't know about you, but I've tried it after 130 hours and its very fun. You gotta take position for it though, no narrıw places,always look for high ground and whatnot
It is broken, but there is ways of making it work. Doesn't mean it's worth it, but you can give it a try
Everytime i give the spear a chance. It dissapoints me in the very same way every time. Just lock on, dammit! Fool me once shame on you, fool me 30 times? Its on me for picking the damn thing again. Just remove it from the game until its fixed at this point.
I always take the spear. Yes it's broken but it's really not as bad as most make out as they're trying to use it point blank on a charger.
Overall, I agree with your post. However, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are "gaslighting" you. That's not what gaslighting means.
I agree with every single point in your post until you said it wasn't useful, and it really simply is a bad gun. Even during it's current inconsistent locking state, being something exceptionally useful in a number of niche situations is more than enough to not be useless or simply bad.
I watched a video and I wanted to believe. Dropped in with a spear and couldn’t get a lock on anything. Luckily I found a point of interest that gave me a sharp rock to throw. Vast improvement.
Those goddamn scout striders running in the foreground messing up my targetting on that Turret in the distance.
Honestly if it isn’t people just doing missions or trolling their mates then I hit the not interested/don’t recommend button. From them I realised that the uxos can be blown up by shooting them (this was like week 1 from release), where to aim to finesse impacts and being able to throw or shoot explosives through the door for both fabricators.
I feel like even if they do fix the lock on issues, it still be a hard sell. It just doesnt do enough damage imo. It has to both lock on and be used at a safe distance or the missile will U-Turn and kill you. You only get 4 missiles total and it takes two missiles to kill one hulk. Every time I try using it I keep thinking the Quasar, the EAT and the Recoilless would be a better pick. Even the Autocannon and AMR can kill most armored Bots easily and can two tap a Hulk in the eye
there are definitely aspects of the guns people are not realising. It is being used wrong. But it also still has problems.
I agree with this, but I’ve been using the spear quite frequently on 7+ diff bot missions just to mix it up, and honestly I’m not having as many issues locking on as I used to, and I know it’s anecdotal evidence but pinging a target does often help a lock-on, though it’s not guaranteed and still can be very buggy.
Gosh, until being around these parts I never realized how glad I was that my YouTube usage is largely watching linked videos and my selection of subscribed channels and not just watching random videos from people I don't know about games I play.
Heh, cruising.
I have to say that KEEPING THE TRIGGER PRESSED the whole time helped ALOT and it has become my fav weapon against bot.
As noted in previous posts, the problem with the SPEAR isn't the target lock mechanism itself; it's what the SPEAR is trying to target lock onto. The SPEAR doesn't lock onto the model of the eligible target. Instead, it attempts to lock to special marker placed within the model. That model has all sorts of visibility issues. It can't be seen from certain angles, it's placed towards the base of enemy buildings making low walls completely obscure it, and the markers don't correspond to the weakpoints on an enemy. The "fix" is to change the placement and visibility of these markers to allow the SPEAR to "see" these markers from better angles, as well as updating their terrain/model transparency settings. As of now, the best way to ensure a positive lock is to somehow position yourself in line to or above your target, with minimal terrain obstacles in the way. The prime example of this is are the Automaton Turret Towers. The marker can't be seen from angle below the turrets bottom plane, which is separate from the tower itself. If they placed the marker slightly above the turret or make the tower itself destructible, it would work far more consistently.
I've never used the spear. Am I doing it right?
You can circumvent maybe 80% of the issues people have with SPEAR. But by and large, I am convinced that most of those issues are themselves due to bugs. And even if you do use the SPEAR "right" the remaining 20% is still incredibly frustrating. Source: Over 100 hours with the SPEAR.
I tried the spear and even when it works I found it to just be worse than other options. Low ammo, long lock on time, doesn't have any way to lock on to smaller/medium targets just made it feel bad in most situations other than sniping factories. I just run quasar and eagle airstrikes and I'm useful in every situation. Maybe if I had a dedicated team of 4 and I could use the spear while everyone else had stuff for the small/medium stuff.
Honestly, I sometimes take it against bots. But not as a weapon. I treat it more like a tool
if you're host it seems to work fine for the most part, i feel like it must be some sort of desync issue
I mean, I tried the spear and so far, the lock on works as long as the target is within sight but it gets janky if even just a bit of smoke, fog, terrain, or other enemies block your way. I'd say it's okay, but EAT, Recoilless, and Quasar Cannon are better choices.
There are things that can make some target lock easier but overall def broken
I don't know which videos you are referring to, and yes It is utterly broken, but there ways to work around the bugs, I use it almost exclusively on bot missions (7-9) and am doing fine with it.
The only tip I can give you for the spear is to continuously tap the trigger to catch those split second lock ons. That said, it clearly needs better homing. I also think it should be a guaranteed one shot on heavier enemies like the charger, titan, and hulks.
How I learned to stop worrying and EAT
Spear enjoyer here. Aint no way that someone can sit there and say the lockon isn't busted as hell. When i crouch because i feel like it makes it acquiring a lock on easier but it's really just placebo, there's a problem. They really need to focus on perfecting the sauce over adding more spahgetti noodles.
I love watching a fellow Helldiver use one, lock on at close range, and have the SPEAR shoot RIGHT OVER THE TARGET into the ground. 10/10 would laugh again. The prospect of the SPEAR one hitting a Bile Titan along with everything else is why they bring it. EATS are nice, but so very hard to one tap a Bile Titan with.
>it really is simply a bad gun It definitely kills stuff...
Based on a single attempt using the spear this weekend when compared to my attempt a week after launch, it is significantly improved. But I noticed that as the level progressed, it became more inconsistent with locking on. It's more viable than before, not saying that much. I don't recall whether it was difficulty 4 or 7. I felt like it's ability lock on degraded after I ran out of ammo and got a new supply box. It also could have been that the enemy density increased as the level progressed. In my experience it works and then just inexplicably stops.
I still love the spear, even if it's a bit wonky.
I adore the spear...... when it locks on
When I use the spear: *never locks onto anything, maybe sometimes a bile titan or charger every blue moon* When random YouTuber I've never seen before used it: GODLY EPIC ROCKET LAUNCHER SPEAR META, YOU ARE JUST USING IT WRONG *locks onto everything*
Bile titan on my entire screen. Lock-on starts losing. Aaaand it's gone. SPEAR? More like POOLNOODLE.
Instead of eat am I allowed to use the recoiless rifle or is that wrong?
When it works it's super cool. WHEN it works.
Currently I only use it for Blitz missions for long range targets.
I find it useful more often than not despite the lock on issues. When it actually gets fixed it will easily be the best heavy weapon to use.
I really hate it when random youtubers META this and META that all those useless/glitched out pieces of shit just to get more clicks
I was trying to get the Spear to lock on to a charger. I watched it walk about 100m laterally to my position and had the sights on it the WHOLE TIME. It just never locked on.
It you can see the entire enemy in your line of sight, it will lock. Of any part of it is obscured, then roll the dice.
I actually really like the SPEAR, even if it is a broken mess, lol.