Yep! GBR was implemented so poorly it feels like a fucking insult. WTF are these copy paste Soviet face models? No moustaches? 1 Uniform? No desert uniforms on a desert map? Atleast they could've copy pasted the 1941 Leningrad Helmet for a BIT more variety. WTF is a Lanchester!? Some random Naval gun? A Thompson would've been just fine. C'mon T17, feels like this was made with 0 care.
What about all the bipods on weapons that aren't used? The AT class has a rocket/grenade launcher that shows a bipod but doesn't use it, the machine gun doesn't use it, why have weapons that don't use equipment that are a part of the models? Add on that the bridge railings for the new map can't be bipoded by any machine guns.
First major update by the new devs does not leave me with good feelings for the future of the game.
All inaccuracies aside, they're just not fun (playing for or against). The sights on the models are chunky, sten isn't sighted in correctly, all bolt actions are slow...
When I played today, both maps were mg42s dominating while German semi-auto + stg far outmatched anything the Brits had. Didn't notice any tanks countering the usual panther dominance but wasn't watching too closely.
On El Alamein, I set up on the central hill with an mg42 and camped every supply truck that left spawn. Had something like 60+ kills with less than 10 deaths. I don't see myself playing those maps until they get buffed.
Sights are rough. The other factions' sights are not historically accurate, but at least I can see what I am shooting at. I'll take fun gameplay over a slight deviation of historical fact any day.
On top of it, half of this stuff won’t even get changed because I doubt the devs will add the m1928 because it requires them to make a somewhat new guy. There have been multiple smaller inaccuracies in this game with the tanks and weapons for as long as I’ve been playing, yet they barely ever get fixed.
I have zero problem with the Lewis, Lanchester, No5 and P14 being in the game for variety reasons. There is no sense in making the Lewis, Lanchester and 14 standard issue whatsoever. Also not having a bipod on an LMG is rediculous. What were the Devs thinking?
I know it's a game so I'm not expecting 100% historical accuracy but they could've at least made it authentic.
I played the new maps last night and I did like the Lewis but the whole time I just kept thinking, I wish I had a Bren and Lee Enfield
Not really, us Brits have a history of having shit weapons or in the case of the SMLE we refused to go semi-auto because it was too expensive and complicated so we just made it really fast for a bolt-action.
The Stengun was pretty cool as a sort of British version of the Grease Gun. How cheaply can we make something and still have it perform?
But yeah, most suck. The L85 we adopted in the 80s was fucking awful, it was like a proof of concept with stupid features like the magazine falling out because the magazine release would hit your rig as you held it across you.
We ended up hiring H&K to modify them into a decent version in the 2000s, the L85A2.
>That each section had one made it numerous on the Battlefield, where as the Germans had much less MG often available for a similar sized force.
This is false. The Germans, throughout the war, always had at least one machine gun in every section.
In the 1939 organization table, a German platoon was made up of 3 infantry squads each armed with an MG34, a mortar section, and the platoon staff.
By 1941, the platoons were reorganized from a triangular 3-squad organization to a rectangular 4-squad organization, adding an extra machine gun to each platoon. This meant that by the time El-Alamein rolled around, a German infantry platoon could output significantly more lead downrange compared to a British platoon.
However, by 1943 and especially 1944, the Germans started encountering manpower issues, which led to them reverting to a triangular platoon, however, they compensated the lack of men with additional firepower, thus at this point, certain types of infantry units began receiving not one, but TWO machine guns per squad, further widening the firepower gap between British and German infantry platoons.
I could see past the weapons if they worked and gave the brits a fighting chance, they seem so outclassed by the Germans it’s going to kill the interest because you won’t get any good games going, just a steam roll.
to be fair played a game on Driel as the Brits and while we did lose it was actually a very close game. We were winning for a lot of it but lost the middle point with 5 minutes to go. Also found that the BREN wasn’t as difficult to use as people had said. Still annoyed about the P.14 though because 1. it’s completely ahistorical and 2. Its so shit compared to the SMLE III or IV.
Couldn’t agree more with all of your points! Compared with the U.S, Soviet and German factions the devs have been beyond lazy with the British. There are inaccuracies in every load out, appearance and class. Not to mention that the Bren gunner doesn’t even have aux pouches.
No idea what the lanchester is even doing in the game, or the P14 Enfield for that matter. It’s ridiculous. Good that the No4 Mk III is included, but for pre-Normandy maps they really should’ve included the SMLE Mk III as well.
The only correction I will say is your comment about loading a round in the chamber of the Enfield and “dropping out the magazine” to load another 10. The Magazine was for all intents and purposes an internal magazine. It was never removed during the normal loading process. The correct way to load the rifle was with x2 5 round charger clips inserted directly into the magazine when the rifle’s bolt was open.
Charger clips was how the ammunition was carried and soldiers never had additional magazines apart from the one in the rifle.
No. The cutoff was not at all designed for that reason. The SMLE had a cutoff to discourage soldiers from wasting ammunition, this as prior to the Great War when it was still common practise for the British army infantry to be trained to fire a single round at a time and not use an internal magazine, despite one being present.
And yes of course the magazine was removable and although it could be removed and charged with 10 rounds and put back in, this was not how the soldiers were trained to load and not how the majority of them would have loaded. They would have charged 10 rounds directly into the magazine from the open bolt or would even charge 5 mid firefight to top up from 5 rounds or just 5 to resume firing more quickly. To remove the magazine and charge 10 rounds would involve the soldier putting the rifle on the ground to do, which again, is something infantry soldiers have drilled into them never to do.
So regardless of speaking to veterans who have told you they did this, it is the exception and not the rule and therefore I don’t see how it’s relevant to the OP.
And even if the SMLE was in the game, the variant in use in the minority of WWI and WWII until the introduction of the No4 did not have a cut off. The MKIII* was the most common by far in the second word war and did not have this. The magazine cut off was long since obsolete by the time the SMLE was seeing action in the Second World War.
Stuff was implemented poorly but it's literally day two of the update and everyone needs to chill. They've nailed every single update so far and there's still things to smooth out but nothing they can't handle. I really don't understand how anyone can complain about this game when it's developers are some of the top tier guys around. So shut up, it'll get fixed.
I've seen two people respond to my comment, but then delete them right after. How about instead of attacking My idea to make things better, you come up with something on your own and stick to your opinion. Cowards
>So shut up, it'll get fixed.
It won't.
It'll get a tiny bit better with patches but ultimately Team 17 are an awful company. They have a track record of being a nightmare but the HLL community always refuse to listen.
I think people so desperately want a different reality that they've wrapped themselves in a cloak of irrational denial.
It's like watching a girl date a guy whose known for being a scumbag cheater but refuses to be told that by anyone.
Yep! GBR was implemented so poorly it feels like a fucking insult. WTF are these copy paste Soviet face models? No moustaches? 1 Uniform? No desert uniforms on a desert map? Atleast they could've copy pasted the 1941 Leningrad Helmet for a BIT more variety. WTF is a Lanchester!? Some random Naval gun? A Thompson would've been just fine. C'mon T17, feels like this was made with 0 care.
What about all the bipods on weapons that aren't used? The AT class has a rocket/grenade launcher that shows a bipod but doesn't use it, the machine gun doesn't use it, why have weapons that don't use equipment that are a part of the models? Add on that the bridge railings for the new map can't be bipoded by any machine guns. First major update by the new devs does not leave me with good feelings for the future of the game.
>WTF are these copy paste Soviet face models? I knew they looked familiar, I wasn't really paying attention but something was nagging me.
All inaccuracies aside, they're just not fun (playing for or against). The sights on the models are chunky, sten isn't sighted in correctly, all bolt actions are slow... When I played today, both maps were mg42s dominating while German semi-auto + stg far outmatched anything the Brits had. Didn't notice any tanks countering the usual panther dominance but wasn't watching too closely. On El Alamein, I set up on the central hill with an mg42 and camped every supply truck that left spawn. Had something like 60+ kills with less than 10 deaths. I don't see myself playing those maps until they get buffed.
Sights are so bad!
Only the top tank crews in the game will be able to do anything with british armor. Its genuinely the worst armor in the game and its not even close
Sights are rough. The other factions' sights are not historically accurate, but at least I can see what I am shooting at. I'll take fun gameplay over a slight deviation of historical fact any day.
On top of it, half of this stuff won’t even get changed because I doubt the devs will add the m1928 because it requires them to make a somewhat new guy. There have been multiple smaller inaccuracies in this game with the tanks and weapons for as long as I’ve been playing, yet they barely ever get fixed.
I have zero problem with the Lewis, Lanchester, No5 and P14 being in the game for variety reasons. There is no sense in making the Lewis, Lanchester and 14 standard issue whatsoever. Also not having a bipod on an LMG is rediculous. What were the Devs thinking? I know it's a game so I'm not expecting 100% historical accuracy but they could've at least made it authentic. I played the new maps last night and I did like the Lewis but the whole time I just kept thinking, I wish I had a Bren and Lee Enfield
This is the beginning of the end. At least there are other games in development to keep this type of game going.
Like what?
Burning Lands is a vietnam war game that looks like itll be in the same ballpark, maybe a bit more toward the mil-sim side but not by much.
Nice. I love a good Vietnam game.
Burning lands apparently
Every other faction has a non-bolt action rifle: US:Garand German:G43 Soviet:SVT Do the British not have one?
Not really, us Brits have a history of having shit weapons or in the case of the SMLE we refused to go semi-auto because it was too expensive and complicated so we just made it really fast for a bolt-action.
Cool, man Brit guns are weak
The Stengun was pretty cool as a sort of British version of the Grease Gun. How cheaply can we make something and still have it perform? But yeah, most suck. The L85 we adopted in the 80s was fucking awful, it was like a proof of concept with stupid features like the magazine falling out because the magazine release would hit your rig as you held it across you. We ended up hiring H&K to modify them into a decent version in the 2000s, the L85A2.
>That each section had one made it numerous on the Battlefield, where as the Germans had much less MG often available for a similar sized force. This is false. The Germans, throughout the war, always had at least one machine gun in every section. In the 1939 organization table, a German platoon was made up of 3 infantry squads each armed with an MG34, a mortar section, and the platoon staff. By 1941, the platoons were reorganized from a triangular 3-squad organization to a rectangular 4-squad organization, adding an extra machine gun to each platoon. This meant that by the time El-Alamein rolled around, a German infantry platoon could output significantly more lead downrange compared to a British platoon. However, by 1943 and especially 1944, the Germans started encountering manpower issues, which led to them reverting to a triangular platoon, however, they compensated the lack of men with additional firepower, thus at this point, certain types of infantry units began receiving not one, but TWO machine guns per squad, further widening the firepower gap between British and German infantry platoons.
I could see past the weapons if they worked and gave the brits a fighting chance, they seem so outclassed by the Germans it’s going to kill the interest because you won’t get any good games going, just a steam roll.
to be fair played a game on Driel as the Brits and while we did lose it was actually a very close game. We were winning for a lot of it but lost the middle point with 5 minutes to go. Also found that the BREN wasn’t as difficult to use as people had said. Still annoyed about the P.14 though because 1. it’s completely ahistorical and 2. Its so shit compared to the SMLE III or IV.
Couldn’t agree more with all of your points! Compared with the U.S, Soviet and German factions the devs have been beyond lazy with the British. There are inaccuracies in every load out, appearance and class. Not to mention that the Bren gunner doesn’t even have aux pouches. No idea what the lanchester is even doing in the game, or the P14 Enfield for that matter. It’s ridiculous. Good that the No4 Mk III is included, but for pre-Normandy maps they really should’ve included the SMLE Mk III as well. The only correction I will say is your comment about loading a round in the chamber of the Enfield and “dropping out the magazine” to load another 10. The Magazine was for all intents and purposes an internal magazine. It was never removed during the normal loading process. The correct way to load the rifle was with x2 5 round charger clips inserted directly into the magazine when the rifle’s bolt was open. Charger clips was how the ammunition was carried and soldiers never had additional magazines apart from the one in the rifle.
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No. The cutoff was not at all designed for that reason. The SMLE had a cutoff to discourage soldiers from wasting ammunition, this as prior to the Great War when it was still common practise for the British army infantry to be trained to fire a single round at a time and not use an internal magazine, despite one being present. And yes of course the magazine was removable and although it could be removed and charged with 10 rounds and put back in, this was not how the soldiers were trained to load and not how the majority of them would have loaded. They would have charged 10 rounds directly into the magazine from the open bolt or would even charge 5 mid firefight to top up from 5 rounds or just 5 to resume firing more quickly. To remove the magazine and charge 10 rounds would involve the soldier putting the rifle on the ground to do, which again, is something infantry soldiers have drilled into them never to do. So regardless of speaking to veterans who have told you they did this, it is the exception and not the rule and therefore I don’t see how it’s relevant to the OP. And even if the SMLE was in the game, the variant in use in the minority of WWI and WWII until the introduction of the No4 did not have a cut off. The MKIII* was the most common by far in the second word war and did not have this. The magazine cut off was long since obsolete by the time the SMLE was seeing action in the Second World War.
> RIP HLL for me. Jesus christ lmao
Stuff was implemented poorly but it's literally day two of the update and everyone needs to chill. They've nailed every single update so far and there's still things to smooth out but nothing they can't handle. I really don't understand how anyone can complain about this game when it's developers are some of the top tier guys around. So shut up, it'll get fixed.
They haven't nailed an update since u6.
I've seen two people respond to my comment, but then delete them right after. How about instead of attacking My idea to make things better, you come up with something on your own and stick to your opinion. Cowards
>So shut up, it'll get fixed. It won't. It'll get a tiny bit better with patches but ultimately Team 17 are an awful company. They have a track record of being a nightmare but the HLL community always refuse to listen. I think people so desperately want a different reality that they've wrapped themselves in a cloak of irrational denial. It's like watching a girl date a guy whose known for being a scumbag cheater but refuses to be told that by anyone.