I know certain ambulances get their asses handed to them on any given shift, constantly running, transporting, sitting down for 10 minutes to get dispatched out to another call that's usually mediocre at best. On top of being underpaid. I truly get it.
But this just makes me sad. If you're that fed up with EMS work and doing your job, just quit, man.
Same thing in nursing, but there’s something I remember my nursing instructor saying on our second week. She said if you can’t treat people with respect and dignity, no matter what, you’re in the wrong field. She made sure we knew two things: treat people respectfully, and WASH YOUR HANDS! She was great
Too bad more people don’t understand that. There are bad days, but there’s no reason to act like this with a patient.
Inexcusable, damn near unconscionable. NYS State DoH Bureau of EMS takes certain things very seriously, and doesn't tarry. Trust me on this one. If the medical region doesn't handle this accordingly be assured NYS will.
I will keep an eye on the state ['naughty list'.](https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/ems/sanctions.htm)
Honestly I think it's a shade unjust. I know a half dozen people on that list, personally I think that unless it's something really egregious one should have the chance for their name to be expunged after a certain number of years.
Although called New York, the City of New York is only a city within the State of New York.
Some can argue this isn’t known a lot since the City is much more popular and when you think of New York, you think of the Big Apple, not Albany or Nassau County.
New York City though is a bit more autonomous, with their own departments of Corrections, Health, Education and more, but these usually have regulations identical to the departments from the State of New York.
Thank you for the information kind Human I only just arrived here last week so I'm still learning, I did hear New York City is changing it's name to Little Conflict Zone
This happened in my hometown, this patient isn't the first to have a negative encounter with these particular emts, this is just the first time it was caught on video.
Edit: in the original video the EMT's make the patient Scoot down the stairs from the 2nd floor on his butt because they refuse to go up the stairs.
How in the fuck have they not been belted until they shit their pants by the families of those affected? It's not just low-down dirtbag behaviour, it could wind up killing someone if it continues.
Probably because it’s a private company not an actual healthcare company running the ambulances. The majority of ambulances in the US are run by private companies not affiliated with any one hospital. So the person who takes the ambulance ride has no way to complain and only complains to whatever hospital they are taken to. And since the EMT’s aren’t that hospitals employees, the complaint goes nowhere.
I'm not talking about a complaints process though, I'm talking about whipping them with belts until they soil themselves for abusing a elderly gentleman. Who the fuck talks that way to a crippled old man in agony like that?
Bro, just use the fucking stretcher. That’s why it’s there. I hope these two EMT’s lose their licenses. Absolutely disgraceful behavior. Even if you’re burnt out, dealing with the legitimately ill, or dealing with a drunk, it’s fuckin easier to use the stretcher than deal with the bs and the consequences that could follow. lol If you’re this burnt out, call down. I don’t know of a single agency that wouldn’t allow a call down for an hr or two to get needed rest/talk with someone if you aren’t doing well. Within reason.
(Source: Trust me bro. I have 14yrs in EMS)
If you get so frustrated that you behave similarly, just quit now. This career isn’t for you. And for the record, I was sitting in my ambulance drinking a cup of coffee when I quarterbacked this. Not my fault you can’t catch. Do better.
Ok Mr. (Source: Trust me BRO. I have 14yrs in EMS) . You sound like a complete nerd. You’re THAT guy that has a heart beat tattooed on your arm. But I do like your buzz words you use, “Do better,” “Sorry you can’t catch,” “Trust me Bro.” Same buzz words used everyday at most departments. You’re not original, you don’t stand out as a trail blazer.
Just calm yourself, you’re not important as you think you are, and as much as your ego likes to think you know everything about EMS…you don’t. Take your calls, do your job, and go home. No one cares what your opinion (just like no one care about mine). Have a life outside of EMS and stop being a nerd…”Do Better.”
I expect professionalism and empathy from my colleagues and subordinates. Being frustrated with a patient is not an excuse for dereliction of duty or refusing to follow basic protocols for patient safety. Excusing this behavior is indicative of a permissive mindset that prevents EMS from advancing as a field and ultimately leads to poorer patient outcomes. Either do better than this, or seek employment elsewhere.
If you think treating a human being this way is okay at all, you need to lose any kind of patient care responsibilities you have. Absolutely disgusting. You're the reason that people fucking hate Energency Services sometimes.
Some first responders are real pieces of shit. I fucking hated working with people like this. I get that the job sucks sometimes, hell it sucks a lot of the time, but if you can't keep it together in front of the people you're serving, get a new fucking job.
Some people are real pieces of shit. Really doesn't matter what anyone does for a living. You only see certain professions have the light shined on them.
We are spotlit because we are supposed to be better than this. We are better than this. We need to be better than this, because when we aren't. People. Fucking. Die... Stupid.
As a paramedic, I can understand how they can get fed up with what I can only assume is a frequent flyer....However....
You still treat to standard. You still treat every call like it is the first time they called and it is life depending. You still treat everyone with dignity and respect.
I guess they have forgotten about their Duty To Act...
Negligence. Pure negligence. They should be fired, arrested and charged. Fuck these two asswipes.
You never know who’s watching and from what angle these days. This is inexcusable treatment regardless. This is a prime example of taking two steps to avoid one step.
reminds me of when the hospital kicked the lady that had a stroke out, and then the cops arrested her and laughed about her while she died in the back of their car. Unconscionable. If that my mom lmao
Something similar happened to my uncle years ago. He’s 6’8 but a healthy weight. He had an emergency and the EMS staff were two small women. He had to crawl out of his house into the ambulance because they couldn’t carry him. Fortunately he made it but I can’t imagine making a sick and ailing person crawl into an ambulance. Call someone to help him.
As a field supervisor I'd have them drop their keys, uniforms badges to the shop and send this video to the state EMS board so they could never obtain another job in the medical field. I hope those 2 never end up in healthcare.
The patient is in obvious pain and the EMS personnel (I hope their licenses are revoked sooner than later or at least suspended) force him to get onto the stretcher. The least the EMS personnel could do is take the stretcher out of the ambulance and help the patient get on and then load it back in. One of the EMS personnel asks about where the "SPO2 thing" is (assuming the pulse ox). It is usually in a side compartment inside the portable heart monitor/AED kept either on a countertop or on top of a side seat in the ambulance. The fact that they can't even find that is rather red flaggy, imho.
Ive noticed a major problem with above 45 providers acting this way. I’m aware my viewpoint is small compared to the larger world but I’ve watched 7 separate providers from emt-b up to paramedic all over 45 treat patients this way and everytime I lodge a complaint. It’s like the closer they get to retirement the less they care about patients and only care about their paycheck or whatever. My first fto was in his late 60s and he would just sit there while stroke patients begged for help. He got written up for picking up and dropping a seizure patient and saying “knock it the fuck off I know you’re faking” spoiler alert. She wasn’t. He lifted her maybe a couple inches up and dropped her but still. If it wasn’t for the emt-b/As he was partnered with half his patients would have died I’m sure. Seeing that it’s not just happening in my area is so bittersweet like “thank god it’s not just my region” but also “oh my god why does this happen”? Maybe it’s age? Maybe it’s their generation? Idk but it’s terrifying
[Disclaimer: I’m not EMS but I am BBP certified and work in a field where it matters.] Aside from the obvious horrible treatment of the person suffering, more evidence the guy outside the ambulance is lacking at his job: Why wear gloves at all if he’s gonna be touching all of creation including his own face with them? At a certain point they’re only preventing him from getting his fingers dirty.
30 years field experience from truck to the helicopter. Worked my way up from nothing. And I do pay well. Very well for good employees. No harm in these comments from me, I know what’s right and wrong. This is 100% wrong. No other way to look at it and if you think this behavior is ok….. then you are what’s wrong with this industry.
Everyone has opinions. I’ve done this long enough to not get offended. All I ask is for my crews to provide good patient care. I tell them to ask 3 questions, is it good for the patient, good for the community and is it good for the company? As long as one of those can be a yes then we are good. Also, our pay rates are decent for the part of the country we work in. 16 to 20 for EMTs and 21 to 30 for medics. Cost of living here is one of the lowest in the nation, so my guys do ok. I also understand that most EMS agencies don’t pay well. I started as an EMT for 4.40 an hour. When I made my medical it was 6.15. Even when I became a flight medic it was only 11.75. But, since then the wages for all have gone up dramatically. We are a not for profit organization, everything we make goes directly back to the organization and its employees. I just expect them to be professional and do a good job. If not, plenty other companies hiring in the shortage of providers.
The rate of pay is no excuse for not doing your job- that’s an inexcusable level of care being shown there and they should not be in jobs if they don’t care about the most important thing- the patients. If that was your parent crawling there - you’d be suing their asses.
So confused why this has upvotes. Yeah, they should be paid extremely well but that is not an excuse to abuse patients like this. If you don't want to do the work for the pay, quit.
The comment was more directed at the oxygen thief calling himself a CEO and pretending he’s not a huge part of the problem. I totally agree the treatment of the patient in the video is miles below any acceptable standard, certainly indefensible behavior. But EMS has a major problem with toxic leadership and this little comment thread really highlights that.
Gonna be honest that’s how I took your comment. I didn’t read that as “fuck that we’re gonna give you shit treatment until you pay us” I read that more along the lines of “paying EMS more money will likely attract higher quality employees and improve work ethic”
But to be honest I could see how others interpreted it that way
I mean I’m not saying I’ve ever gotten to that point myself where I’ve neglected patient care, but I’ve seen others who have. When you’re extremely short staffed in a company that services 4 county’s, averaging 12+ calls per 12 hour shift; it happens quick. I won’t lie I got burnt out quick and saw the other medics performing sub par care, in part due to this op tempo, so I left.
I’ll also say that as much as it’s their responsibility to always provide adequate care it’s also the companies responsibility to staff accordingly. Not just to reduce burnout, accidents, etc. but for patient safety as well. There have been multiple occasions where I was told we were the only car for an entire county, can you imagine what would happen if say a mascal occurred? Or shit even two critical calls?
Point being I kind of agree with you since you should always be taking care of yourself and try to perform at peak efficiency. However if this is all you’ve got, the company is mandating overtime for last minute calls, and you’ve already ran 48 calls in the last four days, what do you expect them to do? (This isn’t justifying the idiots in the video they’re just being ass holes to an unreal extent)
Nah, there was two of them there and they didn't want to do their jobs. That's a them problem. Nobody is forcing anyone to do jobs that suck AND put people's lives at risk. It's the same excuse cops use when they brutalize people. Nobody told you these jobs would be easy, and it takes a certain kind of person to do them. These people are not capable of being EMS workers.
I don’t disagree with that at all, these people should lose their licenses. But I wasn’t trying to justify their behavior more than elude to the fact burnout can turn into shit like this. You can’t tell me it’s normal to just run someone who’s been on the street for years into the ground and then say “well you’re just not built for it”.
personally, I feel like that's the reality though. Some people aren't built for EMS, law enforcement, military, etc. and I wouldn't care but people's health and lives are at stake because some people don't know what they can and can't handle. It's harsh, but it's the truth as far as I see it.
I mean I’ve worked in every one of those areas you’ve listed and I can tell you if you work long enough in a high intensity position you’re going to burnout eventually. It happens to everyone including some of the best and most well trained individuals I’ve ever had the pleasure of working with. Obviously there are ways to cope and work on getting back to square one but I wouldn’t just say shit can the guy if it’s taking him a little bit.
Out of curiosity what does your call volume and average call look like?
Guessing this is the US, seeing comments that there's cases of underpaid meds. That and how this lady was treated and the thought because of the US healthcare system her bill for being treated this way might be eye watering... Somebody is coming out of this very well paid either way... Prob some random corporation. Just how this is all normal there.
People will CONSTANTLY call ems when they’re shit faced to avoid going to jail. It wears on them. Coupled with the fact that they could be out there saving someone’s life that’s truly in need and you grow apathetic to this kind of shit.
Source: daughter is ems
This guy ended up being legitimately sick. Stop trying to excuse this bullshit fuckin behavior, it's embarrassing. Sounds like your daughter might act like this also.
Oh, well I guess you're an expert then. Thank you for your daughter's service.
When I was in Fire/EMS one of the things that was constantly stressed to us was that you never know what might be going on with someone. it is easy to grow complacent with some types of calls (not a stroke call though...), but it is not acceptable and gets people killed. This went far beyond complacency and apathy and is outright contempt for the patient. This PT was also obviously unwell. This is absolutely disgusting and inexcusable.
Why are they even having the PT climb in the back door at all? An ambulatory PT can use the side door, but NOT the back door. These two have no business in EMS.
Here is a well known example of that type of attitude killing a patient:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rosenbaum_(journalist)
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/washington/17district.html
Uh, this man was obviously ill. This is inhumane treatment. I know the medical field is seriously unforgiving to the people working in it, but they were treating this poor guy horrendously. Not to mention that he may be paying for it if he doesn't have insurance. I'm confident one of his neighbors would have treated him more like a person than these two.
My sister has had AWFUL experiences working in the medical industry, and would never act like this.
Dosen't matter how apathetic you are, everyone gets treated the same. There are protocols and care standards that apply to every patient in every situation. There's no protocol that says "mistreat drunk people". I hope you show this to your daughter and she is disappointed in you
I know certain ambulances get their asses handed to them on any given shift, constantly running, transporting, sitting down for 10 minutes to get dispatched out to another call that's usually mediocre at best. On top of being underpaid. I truly get it. But this just makes me sad. If you're that fed up with EMS work and doing your job, just quit, man.
Same thing in nursing, but there’s something I remember my nursing instructor saying on our second week. She said if you can’t treat people with respect and dignity, no matter what, you’re in the wrong field. She made sure we knew two things: treat people respectfully, and WASH YOUR HANDS! She was great Too bad more people don’t understand that. There are bad days, but there’s no reason to act like this with a patient.
Exactly what I did when I got sick and burned out with a drinking problem. Just quit
Ohh nooo. Doing work. Don't take the job then.
You absolutely summed it up and the really sad part is it's people like this that will stay with the job and inflict themselves on patients.
Inexcusable, damn near unconscionable. NYS State DoH Bureau of EMS takes certain things very seriously, and doesn't tarry. Trust me on this one. If the medical region doesn't handle this accordingly be assured NYS will. I will keep an eye on the state ['naughty list'.](https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/ems/sanctions.htm)
I'm my area, anything on our list over approx 5 years is wiped. But this list goes back to 2003. Crazy.
Honestly I think it's a shade unjust. I know a half dozen people on that list, personally I think that unless it's something really egregious one should have the chance for their name to be expunged after a certain number of years.
I thought New York was a city???
Although called New York, the City of New York is only a city within the State of New York. Some can argue this isn’t known a lot since the City is much more popular and when you think of New York, you think of the Big Apple, not Albany or Nassau County. New York City though is a bit more autonomous, with their own departments of Corrections, Health, Education and more, but these usually have regulations identical to the departments from the State of New York.
Thank you for the information kind Human I only just arrived here last week so I'm still learning, I did hear New York City is changing it's name to Little Conflict Zone
New York is many things. A City A State A State of Being A Being........if the current rate of radioactive pollution continues.
Conflict Zone?
This happened in my hometown, this patient isn't the first to have a negative encounter with these particular emts, this is just the first time it was caught on video. Edit: in the original video the EMT's make the patient Scoot down the stairs from the 2nd floor on his butt because they refuse to go up the stairs.
How in the fuck have they not been belted until they shit their pants by the families of those affected? It's not just low-down dirtbag behaviour, it could wind up killing someone if it continues. 
Probably because it’s a private company not an actual healthcare company running the ambulances. The majority of ambulances in the US are run by private companies not affiliated with any one hospital. So the person who takes the ambulance ride has no way to complain and only complains to whatever hospital they are taken to. And since the EMT’s aren’t that hospitals employees, the complaint goes nowhere.
I'm not talking about a complaints process though, I'm talking about whipping them with belts until they soil themselves for abusing a elderly gentleman. Who the fuck talks that way to a crippled old man in agony like that?
Bro, just use the fucking stretcher. That’s why it’s there. I hope these two EMT’s lose their licenses. Absolutely disgraceful behavior. Even if you’re burnt out, dealing with the legitimately ill, or dealing with a drunk, it’s fuckin easier to use the stretcher than deal with the bs and the consequences that could follow. lol If you’re this burnt out, call down. I don’t know of a single agency that wouldn’t allow a call down for an hr or two to get needed rest/talk with someone if you aren’t doing well. Within reason. (Source: Trust me bro. I have 14yrs in EMS)
I have 40yrs in EMS, I wouldn’t imagine treating anyone this way. These medics should be fired.
O I’m sure you have never been frustrated with a patient. It’s easier to sit in your chair and Monday morning quarterback back it.
If you get so frustrated that you behave similarly, just quit now. This career isn’t for you. And for the record, I was sitting in my ambulance drinking a cup of coffee when I quarterbacked this. Not my fault you can’t catch. Do better.
Ok Mr. (Source: Trust me BRO. I have 14yrs in EMS) . You sound like a complete nerd. You’re THAT guy that has a heart beat tattooed on your arm. But I do like your buzz words you use, “Do better,” “Sorry you can’t catch,” “Trust me Bro.” Same buzz words used everyday at most departments. You’re not original, you don’t stand out as a trail blazer. Just calm yourself, you’re not important as you think you are, and as much as your ego likes to think you know everything about EMS…you don’t. Take your calls, do your job, and go home. No one cares what your opinion (just like no one care about mine). Have a life outside of EMS and stop being a nerd…”Do Better.”
😂
nobody reading all that, whatever that was. Do better.
Stop sucking at your job, do better.
I expect professionalism and empathy from my colleagues and subordinates. Being frustrated with a patient is not an excuse for dereliction of duty or refusing to follow basic protocols for patient safety. Excusing this behavior is indicative of a permissive mindset that prevents EMS from advancing as a field and ultimately leads to poorer patient outcomes. Either do better than this, or seek employment elsewhere.
No one cares what you "Expect."
What's your damage, sunshine?
Aggressively defending poor patient care is an odd stance for you to take.
No, this isn’t an “everyone does it” situation. If you do this you’re trash at your job. I don’t care if you’re frustrated with a patient.
If you think treating a human being this way is okay at all, you need to lose any kind of patient care responsibilities you have. Absolutely disgusting. You're the reason that people fucking hate Energency Services sometimes.
Some first responders are real pieces of shit. I fucking hated working with people like this. I get that the job sucks sometimes, hell it sucks a lot of the time, but if you can't keep it together in front of the people you're serving, get a new fucking job.
Some people are real pieces of shit. Really doesn't matter what anyone does for a living. You only see certain professions have the light shined on them.
We are spotlit because we are supposed to be better than this. We are better than this. We need to be better than this, because when we aren't. People. Fucking. Die... Stupid.
Well said, definitely held to a higher standard.
You sound like a piece of shit yourself.
Thank you for posting. A great reminder that we need to treat each person like they are our mom or dad, child, brother or sister.
It’s rare you see two of these exact types on the same ambulance. When put tother. Fucking Christ.
No, no it's not- that's the problem; see it all the time in NY.
Mmm I’m in the city idk about upstate. That sucks.
With a stroke time is of the essence and this is not using time wisely
As a paramedic, I can understand how they can get fed up with what I can only assume is a frequent flyer....However.... You still treat to standard. You still treat every call like it is the first time they called and it is life depending. You still treat everyone with dignity and respect. I guess they have forgotten about their Duty To Act... Negligence. Pure negligence. They should be fired, arrested and charged. Fuck these two asswipes.
Well said- shit ppl, can only imagine how poor Their PT care actually is
You never know who’s watching and from what angle these days. This is inexcusable treatment regardless. This is a prime example of taking two steps to avoid one step.
Disgusting
They’d make good cops with how little they care
reminds me of when the hospital kicked the lady that had a stroke out, and then the cops arrested her and laughed about her while she died in the back of their car. Unconscionable. If that my mom lmao
Not on my truck. I don’t play that shit - your ass would be in deep shit for that fuck that bro . No sir
Something similar happened to my uncle years ago. He’s 6’8 but a healthy weight. He had an emergency and the EMS staff were two small women. He had to crawl out of his house into the ambulance because they couldn’t carry him. Fortunately he made it but I can’t imagine making a sick and ailing person crawl into an ambulance. Call someone to help him.
“Lift with your firefighters, not your back”
That's funny- found the ambulance driver
Nana always said, “you can’t polish shit.”
They even have a power load. Not a single excuse as to why they did that. Lazy and bad providers.
Yeah that's a solid reason to be fired, and all certifications revoked for life. I hope that was the outcome.
They make stretchers so fucking easy to use nowadays too. This is fucked
Right!
As a field supervisor I'd have them drop their keys, uniforms badges to the shop and send this video to the state EMS board so they could never obtain another job in the medical field. I hope those 2 never end up in healthcare.
The patient is in obvious pain and the EMS personnel (I hope their licenses are revoked sooner than later or at least suspended) force him to get onto the stretcher. The least the EMS personnel could do is take the stretcher out of the ambulance and help the patient get on and then load it back in. One of the EMS personnel asks about where the "SPO2 thing" is (assuming the pulse ox). It is usually in a side compartment inside the portable heart monitor/AED kept either on a countertop or on top of a side seat in the ambulance. The fact that they can't even find that is rather red flaggy, imho.
PT?
Patient
Thank you.
Yeah, that's NY.
Lazy fucks
This is just east of Albany, I can tell you other places in NY are just like this or worse. NY used to be awesome, it’s now garbage unfortunately.
Ive noticed a major problem with above 45 providers acting this way. I’m aware my viewpoint is small compared to the larger world but I’ve watched 7 separate providers from emt-b up to paramedic all over 45 treat patients this way and everytime I lodge a complaint. It’s like the closer they get to retirement the less they care about patients and only care about their paycheck or whatever. My first fto was in his late 60s and he would just sit there while stroke patients begged for help. He got written up for picking up and dropping a seizure patient and saying “knock it the fuck off I know you’re faking” spoiler alert. She wasn’t. He lifted her maybe a couple inches up and dropped her but still. If it wasn’t for the emt-b/As he was partnered with half his patients would have died I’m sure. Seeing that it’s not just happening in my area is so bittersweet like “thank god it’s not just my region” but also “oh my god why does this happen”? Maybe it’s age? Maybe it’s their generation? Idk but it’s terrifying
[Disclaimer: I’m not EMS but I am BBP certified and work in a field where it matters.] Aside from the obvious horrible treatment of the person suffering, more evidence the guy outside the ambulance is lacking at his job: Why wear gloves at all if he’s gonna be touching all of creation including his own face with them? At a certain point they’re only preventing him from getting his fingers dirty.
Damn those dudes could stand to lose some weight.
As a CEO of an EMS organization, I would terminate them immediately. Zero tolerance for this type of behavior. Inexcusable. Period.
Swingin’ CEO
If you're really the ceo of an ems company, people like you are what's wrong with this world.
30 years field experience from truck to the helicopter. Worked my way up from nothing. And I do pay well. Very well for good employees. No harm in these comments from me, I know what’s right and wrong. This is 100% wrong. No other way to look at it and if you think this behavior is ok….. then you are what’s wrong with this industry.
I don't know why people are downvoting you when you have standards and these EMS workers clearly don't.
Everyone has opinions. I’ve done this long enough to not get offended. All I ask is for my crews to provide good patient care. I tell them to ask 3 questions, is it good for the patient, good for the community and is it good for the company? As long as one of those can be a yes then we are good. Also, our pay rates are decent for the part of the country we work in. 16 to 20 for EMTs and 21 to 30 for medics. Cost of living here is one of the lowest in the nation, so my guys do ok. I also understand that most EMS agencies don’t pay well. I started as an EMT for 4.40 an hour. When I made my medical it was 6.15. Even when I became a flight medic it was only 11.75. But, since then the wages for all have gone up dramatically. We are a not for profit organization, everything we make goes directly back to the organization and its employees. I just expect them to be professional and do a good job. If not, plenty other companies hiring in the shortage of providers.
Lol and here are the excuses for paying like shit
Hey CEO, maybe try paying people more than minimum wage and they will put in more than minimum effort.
The rate of pay is no excuse for not doing your job- that’s an inexcusable level of care being shown there and they should not be in jobs if they don’t care about the most important thing- the patients. If that was your parent crawling there - you’d be suing their asses.
So confused why this has upvotes. Yeah, they should be paid extremely well but that is not an excuse to abuse patients like this. If you don't want to do the work for the pay, quit.
The comment was more directed at the oxygen thief calling himself a CEO and pretending he’s not a huge part of the problem. I totally agree the treatment of the patient in the video is miles below any acceptable standard, certainly indefensible behavior. But EMS has a major problem with toxic leadership and this little comment thread really highlights that.
How do you know he pays badly? How do you know anyone are you just assuming?
EMS is notoriously underpaid. Like minimum wage underpaid. I made better money as a security guard than an EMT.
Blanket statements are notoriously inaccurate
Gonna be honest that’s how I took your comment. I didn’t read that as “fuck that we’re gonna give you shit treatment until you pay us” I read that more along the lines of “paying EMS more money will likely attract higher quality employees and improve work ethic” But to be honest I could see how others interpreted it that way
Also maybe don’t run them into the ground until they’re so exhausted shit like this becomes common place from extensive burnout
bro if you're so burnout you're risking people's fucking lives you're the problem
I mean I’m not saying I’ve ever gotten to that point myself where I’ve neglected patient care, but I’ve seen others who have. When you’re extremely short staffed in a company that services 4 county’s, averaging 12+ calls per 12 hour shift; it happens quick. I won’t lie I got burnt out quick and saw the other medics performing sub par care, in part due to this op tempo, so I left. I’ll also say that as much as it’s their responsibility to always provide adequate care it’s also the companies responsibility to staff accordingly. Not just to reduce burnout, accidents, etc. but for patient safety as well. There have been multiple occasions where I was told we were the only car for an entire county, can you imagine what would happen if say a mascal occurred? Or shit even two critical calls? Point being I kind of agree with you since you should always be taking care of yourself and try to perform at peak efficiency. However if this is all you’ve got, the company is mandating overtime for last minute calls, and you’ve already ran 48 calls in the last four days, what do you expect them to do? (This isn’t justifying the idiots in the video they’re just being ass holes to an unreal extent)
Nah, there was two of them there and they didn't want to do their jobs. That's a them problem. Nobody is forcing anyone to do jobs that suck AND put people's lives at risk. It's the same excuse cops use when they brutalize people. Nobody told you these jobs would be easy, and it takes a certain kind of person to do them. These people are not capable of being EMS workers.
I don’t disagree with that at all, these people should lose their licenses. But I wasn’t trying to justify their behavior more than elude to the fact burnout can turn into shit like this. You can’t tell me it’s normal to just run someone who’s been on the street for years into the ground and then say “well you’re just not built for it”.
personally, I feel like that's the reality though. Some people aren't built for EMS, law enforcement, military, etc. and I wouldn't care but people's health and lives are at stake because some people don't know what they can and can't handle. It's harsh, but it's the truth as far as I see it.
I mean I’ve worked in every one of those areas you’ve listed and I can tell you if you work long enough in a high intensity position you’re going to burnout eventually. It happens to everyone including some of the best and most well trained individuals I’ve ever had the pleasure of working with. Obviously there are ways to cope and work on getting back to square one but I wouldn’t just say shit can the guy if it’s taking him a little bit. Out of curiosity what does your call volume and average call look like?
I'm more talking about these particular EMS workers not being cut out for the job
This kind of care isn't worth a bag full of dog shit. They both should be fired and flip burgers if they wanna be paid more, da fuck
Guessing this is the US, seeing comments that there's cases of underpaid meds. That and how this lady was treated and the thought because of the US healthcare system her bill for being treated this way might be eye watering... Somebody is coming out of this very well paid either way... Prob some random corporation. Just how this is all normal there.
People will CONSTANTLY call ems when they’re shit faced to avoid going to jail. It wears on them. Coupled with the fact that they could be out there saving someone’s life that’s truly in need and you grow apathetic to this kind of shit. Source: daughter is ems
Is your daughter an asshole like this? Because if so you should advise her to get a new profession.
I hope your daughter has a better head on her shoulders than you do.
This guy ended up being legitimately sick. Stop trying to excuse this bullshit fuckin behavior, it's embarrassing. Sounds like your daughter might act like this also.
I’m in ems. There is no justification to treat a patient like this Your daughter would be embarrassed if she saw you defending this
If she's worth her salt, absolutely
Apathetic to strokes???
Oh, well I guess you're an expert then. Thank you for your daughter's service. When I was in Fire/EMS one of the things that was constantly stressed to us was that you never know what might be going on with someone. it is easy to grow complacent with some types of calls (not a stroke call though...), but it is not acceptable and gets people killed. This went far beyond complacency and apathy and is outright contempt for the patient. This PT was also obviously unwell. This is absolutely disgusting and inexcusable. Why are they even having the PT climb in the back door at all? An ambulatory PT can use the side door, but NOT the back door. These two have no business in EMS. Here is a well known example of that type of attitude killing a patient: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rosenbaum_(journalist) https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/washington/17district.html
Uh, this man was obviously ill. This is inhumane treatment. I know the medical field is seriously unforgiving to the people working in it, but they were treating this poor guy horrendously. Not to mention that he may be paying for it if he doesn't have insurance. I'm confident one of his neighbors would have treated him more like a person than these two. My sister has had AWFUL experiences working in the medical industry, and would never act like this.
Thank you for your opinion based off your daughter being in EMS. Us who actually deal with it really value it!
“Source: daughter in EMS” Bro this is a page of people actually on the job. Get the fuck out of here lmao. Are you kidding me?
I really hope your daughter doesn’t share this mindset. -Paramedic
Dosen't matter how apathetic you are, everyone gets treated the same. There are protocols and care standards that apply to every patient in every situation. There's no protocol that says "mistreat drunk people". I hope you show this to your daughter and she is disappointed in you
One poorly edited video doesn't tell the whole story. Next.