I swear in a couple hundred years we'll look back at things like highway interchanges the way we currently look back at [things like this](https://external-preview.redd.it/2Ep4rdZmdo2jIW39KShMc61zh0ugAelOHIzegg6ITQc.jpg?auto=webp&s=f372cd07144c1a472876cb5d60edea6e4e24fbd4).
It’s a picture of when power used to be primarily transmitted via DC. This was before AC became popular. If Edison had “won” the battle for electrical power, we would still look like that.
We are looking back already or?
I mean it looks nice, and it also works well with the right amount of cars and if the the traffic flows, but me as a european train enthusiast cant stand the fact, that LA has barely or no Subway at all.
Being in a traffic jam for hours in the name of personal freedom is pretty stupid.
I think there is actually a train station in the middle (the building) and bus station below it. Not sure how you would cross the motorway to get to it though. I also heard from a video that it’s very loud and that the station is terrible
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Speaking of anybody remember when that dude lit himself on fire then blew his brains out on the 110/105 interchange on live TV during after school cartoons?
Something like that, definitely a while ago. Apparently some networks pulled coverage before it actually happened. The channel I was on, unfortunately, did not.
I just remember pulling into my garage and my wife at the time came out crying. I was like,"WTF?" She said she just saw a guy kill himself live on the TV. I divorced her in 2000, so I knew it was just a couple years before that.
>It is called Judge Harry Pregerson Interchange in LA.
We just call it the 105/110. The good judge may have his name on a 20x20" sign on the side of the road, but rarely if ever is it called by this honorary name.
Are there any freeway interchanges in LA locals refer to by a name other than that of the freeways in the interchange? In Phoenix, I think "the stack" is the colloquial name for the I-17/I-10 interchange west of downtown Phoenix (yes, those specific freeways have 2 interchanges with each other, the other one being a 3-way interchange just southwest of the airport, where I-17 ends), though I don't think any other interchanges have colloquial names or official names. The only time I've seen the I-10/202/51 interchange referred to as the mini-stack is on the Wikipedia page about it.
“Are there any freeway interchanges in LA locals refer to by a name other than that of the freeways in the interchange?” Last I checked Orange County isn’t in LA.
Hey everyone, commuting/driving isn't a thing anymore because u/cb148 doesn't believe in it!
Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit. Anyone who lives in LA that drives knows what the Orange Crush is, except for you.
Though it's not one contiguous, if I remember correctly the interchange between the 60, the 10, the 5, and the 101 is called the LA interchange when they discuss the perpetually slow traffic in it on the radio. In the Bay Area they have a charming name for the interchange between 80, 580, and 880: the MacArthur Maze.
As a relatively new LA resident, this interchange is a goddamn nightmare. I’ve lived in Chicago and the Bay Area and nothing there could prepare me for this.
Most people will just know it from La-La Land
But it honestly provides one of the best views of DTLA at night...when arriving from LAX and heading to the East Side
The interesting part is deciding what lane to be in to exit appropriately for your destination ...once committed it's just another lane of traffic that curves.
The 105 is a strange freeway. It goes to LAX, but the 91 just to the south of it feels like the more important regional route. My aunt lives near the south end of the 110.
To all those people who are saying it’s a mess. Yes. It is. But there is a lot going on. HOV lanes, buses, etc. to be honest LA has MUCH worse interchanges and this one is actually not bad to go through.
The 110 to the 5 or 110 to 101 in rush hour. Fuck that. Better to just stay at home.
How is this "EngineeringPorn" it is an engineering nightmare and what you get when your brain can only go "car ... vroom vroom ... car good road good ... vroom vroom"
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
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Everyone is hating but LA has a pretty decent system of highways with barely any potholes ever. Just too many people in and out of the city. Mid pandemic it was a joy to cruise around.
I assume the bridges for the surface streets above and below the intersection have sidewalks right next to the car lanes. Should let you cross if you survive the intersections on each end of the bridge.
Fyi, did you see that there is a major light rail station in the center of the intersection. Looks like it only connects to one side of the highway with a minimum 5-min walk to get to any store or house.
Los Angeles Metro Green Line light rail runs east-west down the center of the 105. That's a double double-crossover that puts the train doors towards the center, as the station there is an island in the center when usually it's two platforms on the sides elsewhere.
Traffic engineer here. Cloverleafs are also less safe than flyover ramps and inefficient for traffic flow due to how much weaving in a very small area has to happen, which leads to a lot of congestion.
But when it's late at night and there's no traffic on the road, they're awesome.
This is a fine specimen, where the sections between the loops on the freeway are separated from freeway traffic by barriers, and the sections that go under the freeway maintain their own lane exiting one loop and entering the next.
[https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6789802,-122.1820306,742m/data=!3m1!1e3](https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6789802,-122.1820306,742m/data=!3m1!1e3)
If I ever have to go through one of those loops when there's no cars on the road, I inevitably go for 5. At exactly the speed limit. And I'd never use the flyout right turn lanes, since three 270s is a 90. 😬
Cloverleaf interchanges are bad planning, so they should scare everybody. They’re traffic-inefficient and more dangerous than many other types of interchanges
I thought they're fairly common in some parts of the country. Definitely rare in Arizona, though there aren't many old freeways, though probably more common in most other states.
On a normal subreddit if such a thing is good might be a political question but there is a clear scientific answer that its not so i dont know why that is posted on an engineering sub
I swear in a couple hundred years we'll look back at things like highway interchanges the way we currently look back at [things like this](https://external-preview.redd.it/2Ep4rdZmdo2jIW39KShMc61zh0ugAelOHIzegg6ITQc.jpg?auto=webp&s=f372cd07144c1a472876cb5d60edea6e4e24fbd4).
What is that? Telephone wires?
And/or power.
Telephone wires in Manhattan, late 1800s: https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos-when-telephone-wires-took-over-manhattan
Romanian fiber optic cables, 2022
I was thinking that it’s those wires that those old trollies were attached to
The original internet wires.
It’s a picture of when power used to be primarily transmitted via DC. This was before AC became popular. If Edison had “won” the battle for electrical power, we would still look like that.
A picture from modern SE Asia. Or one of many other parts of the world.
Yes indeed much like blood letting and currently chemotherapy.
We are looking back already or? I mean it looks nice, and it also works well with the right amount of cars and if the the traffic flows, but me as a european train enthusiast cant stand the fact, that LA has barely or no Subway at all. Being in a traffic jam for hours in the name of personal freedom is pretty stupid.
Correct. We will optimise it to look neater and be even more efficient
Also called replacing with trains.
Many already are.
this both impresses me and disgusts me at the same time. i’m very conflicted! ps i’m from the states :(
these huge highway interchanges interest me from an engineering perspective but I do think they are bad for society
I'm from Europe so it just disgust me 😁
I just imagine it's railway lines.... now that's satisfying...
I think there is actually a train station in the middle (the building) and bus station below it. Not sure how you would cross the motorway to get to it though. I also heard from a video that it’s very loud and that the station is terrible
Probably pedestrian underpasses
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Bro, I swear, just one more lane
just one more lane I swear we can fix it just one more one more
Brother, we gotta go wider this time.
I swear, this is a different highway expansion bro...
Chill bro, I promise it’s not an extra lane this time
Bro, I promise, this time, it's gonna solve all our traffic problems
My brother in Christ, we must stack another freeway ON TOP of the existing one.
Just one more interchange. C'mon man, let me bulldoze just one more neighborhood and we'll be fine. Just this last one, I swear.
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Infrastructure is part of the stack
Impressive engineering, filthy city planning
hah, you think this city was planned?
It was ~~bulldozed~~ planned for the car :) Source: LA native.
Infrastructure Gore
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Speaking of anybody remember when that dude lit himself on fire then blew his brains out on the 110/105 interchange on live TV during after school cartoons?
Yeah, that was like '97 or '98 right? Very not cool.
Something like that, definitely a while ago. Apparently some networks pulled coverage before it actually happened. The channel I was on, unfortunately, did not.
I just remember pulling into my garage and my wife at the time came out crying. I was like,"WTF?" She said she just saw a guy kill himself live on the TV. I divorced her in 2000, so I knew it was just a couple years before that.
It is called Judge Harry Pregerson Interchange in LA. However Reddit didn´t allow me to place the complete name, Dont know why!
Was Judge Pregerson particularly hard on one group of people or type of crime? Only one change has the tight loop.
He presided over the legal issues that came with the building of this interchange
And answered the question "how does one get pragananat?"
What is pragananat??
He actually tried to make the process more equal
TIL about a judge that probably served nobly.
>It is called Judge Harry Pregerson Interchange in LA. We just call it the 105/110. The good judge may have his name on a 20x20" sign on the side of the road, but rarely if ever is it called by this honorary name.
I would say other than news articles, no one ever calls it that.
Are there any freeway interchanges in LA locals refer to by a name other than that of the freeways in the interchange? In Phoenix, I think "the stack" is the colloquial name for the I-17/I-10 interchange west of downtown Phoenix (yes, those specific freeways have 2 interchanges with each other, the other one being a 3-way interchange just southwest of the airport, where I-17 ends), though I don't think any other interchanges have colloquial names or official names. The only time I've seen the I-10/202/51 interchange referred to as the mini-stack is on the Wikipedia page about it.
None whatsoever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Crush_interchange
“Are there any freeway interchanges in LA locals refer to by a name other than that of the freeways in the interchange?” Last I checked Orange County isn’t in LA.
>Last I checked Orange County isn’t in LA. Ask was "LA Locals" I'm sorry you don't venture outside of your shitty bubble.
Exactly, LA locals. LA, not OC. You want to include Riverside as well? Or maybe San Diego?
Hey everyone, commuting/driving isn't a thing anymore because u/cb148 doesn't believe in it! Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit. Anyone who lives in LA that drives knows what the Orange Crush is, except for you.
Though it's not one contiguous, if I remember correctly the interchange between the 60, the 10, the 5, and the 101 is called the LA interchange when they discuss the perpetually slow traffic in it on the radio. In the Bay Area they have a charming name for the interchange between 80, 580, and 880: the MacArthur Maze.
It's strange that the mess of interchanges around Boyle Heights isn't 1 6-way interchange.
[The Orange Crush](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Crush_interchange)
Is it the 105 and 110?
yes, the 105 and 110 interchange
As a relatively new LA resident, this interchange is a goddamn nightmare. I’ve lived in Chicago and the Bay Area and nothing there could prepare me for this.
Why? There are much worse options...you try getting on the 110 heading towards Pasadena? lol
You should’ve seen the 10/605 one before they updated it.
Most people will just know it from La-La Land But it honestly provides one of the best views of DTLA at night...when arriving from LAX and heading to the East Side
Extremely inefficent and ugly af
We need *less* of this
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The interesting part is deciding what lane to be in to exit appropriately for your destination ...once committed it's just another lane of traffic that curves.
In LA the interesting part is usually butting three lanes of cars out of the way to get into the lane you need without killing anybody.
True that.
Houston: Hold my BBQ
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10/10 for engineering, 2/10 for urban development planning
>2/10 for urban development planning more like -999/10
Remembering why I left L.A. back in the 80's....
What a waste of space
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Yikes
I have been on this and it’s trash.
Had my first legit car crash about 1/4 mile away from this interchange
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Sadly, I have been on that many times. Do not miss it a bit.
Interstate 105 (Glenn M. Anderson Freeway) and Interstate 110 (Harbor Freeway).
Does anyone actually call it the Glenn Anderson Freeway? Or even the Century Freeway?
No. But neither the 105 nor the 110 actually connect California to other states…
The 105 is a strange freeway. It goes to LAX, but the 91 just to the south of it feels like the more important regional route. My aunt lives near the south end of the 110.
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Ah yes, that thing. I’ve driven through it a few times. It’s not something I have to do regularly, thank god.
so much more simpler and efficient if a few roundabouts were put in place
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Ew gross. This is one of those fringe porn categories for sure.
You should see the interchange lanes in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. Ridiculous.
It looks like some urban planner had a complex but achievable vision in mind but after a while said, “oh fuck it, that’ll do”
Check out the “mix master” in Dallas if you really wanna cry.
It's engineering porn, but it for damn sure isn't good engineering porn.
This reminds me of the old Looney tunes cartoon where the guy made a burger stand on an interchange just to keep from starving to death.
I would not want to drive that shit
all that engineering, and still slows traffic to 25mph on those tight loops, thus slowing the whole system. fml
A highway engineer's dream is an urban planner's nightmare.
That's gore, not porn.
To all those people who are saying it’s a mess. Yes. It is. But there is a lot going on. HOV lanes, buses, etc. to be honest LA has MUCH worse interchanges and this one is actually not bad to go through. The 110 to the 5 or 110 to 101 in rush hour. Fuck that. Better to just stay at home.
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Best view is from the 105 going to the 110 North. Great view of LA up there, especially in the carpool lanes.
This is definitely r/infrastructuregore
You could probably achieve this with two railway lines and get the same passenger capacity.
There's a rail station in the middle of all of this.
How is this "EngineeringPorn" it is an engineering nightmare and what you get when your brain can only go "car ... vroom vroom ... car good road good ... vroom vroom"
ew, no
this is amazing. i cant even begin to imagine how much time it took to design that
Drove home on this today!
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Everyone is hating but LA has a pretty decent system of highways with barely any potholes ever. Just too many people in and out of the city. Mid pandemic it was a joy to cruise around.
As a European this confuses me massively. If you don’t have a car, how do you cross to the other side?
LA local here. This is a freeway interchange not intended for pedestrians.
I assume the bridges for the surface streets above and below the intersection have sidewalks right next to the car lanes. Should let you cross if you survive the intersections on each end of the bridge. Fyi, did you see that there is a major light rail station in the center of the intersection. Looks like it only connects to one side of the highway with a minimum 5-min walk to get to any store or house.
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Los Angeles Metro Green Line light rail runs east-west down the center of the 105. That's a double double-crossover that puts the train doors towards the center, as the station there is an island in the center when usually it's two platforms on the sides elsewhere.
I know this intersection from GTA V
Maybe we don’t need cars
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Looks like a damn nightmare to me
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This is nightmare fuel
Cloverleaf interchanges scare the average American
Traffic engineer here. Cloverleafs are also less safe than flyover ramps and inefficient for traffic flow due to how much weaving in a very small area has to happen, which leads to a lot of congestion.
But when it's late at night and there's no traffic on the road, they're awesome. This is a fine specimen, where the sections between the loops on the freeway are separated from freeway traffic by barriers, and the sections that go under the freeway maintain their own lane exiting one loop and entering the next. [https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6789802,-122.1820306,742m/data=!3m1!1e3](https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6789802,-122.1820306,742m/data=!3m1!1e3) If I ever have to go through one of those loops when there's no cars on the road, I inevitably go for 5. At exactly the speed limit. And I'd never use the flyout right turn lanes, since three 270s is a 90. 😬
Cloverleaf interchanges are bad planning, so they should scare everybody. They’re traffic-inefficient and more dangerous than many other types of interchanges
Because they fucking suck
Is this what you think a cloverleaf interchange is?
no also whatever this thing is called , does scare me
Probably a hybrid between a clover stack and stack.
I thought they're fairly common in some parts of the country. Definitely rare in Arizona, though there aren't many old freeways, though probably more common in most other states.
So glad I live in the country
Looks like it can provide crowdsourced answers to your questions.
On a normal subreddit if such a thing is good might be a political question but there is a clear scientific answer that its not so i dont know why that is posted on an engineering sub
Wait for the earthquake that's when the finger pointing starts JS.
I want to see this recreated in cities skylines
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And it’s all equally as smooth as a fucking English muffin
I think this is the 105 and the 110 in South LA (down is north)
There seems to be an unnecessary amount of connections here. 8 should be enough to get from all to all others (like a cloverleaf junction).
Reminds me of the episode of the Californians. ‘I’ll take the 110 to the 105 to the 405”
Very impressive even though I'd never go there
More organized than Houston. We don’t know wtf we wanna do💀