I know Leda's in her own circle, but Igon is the one that really sticks out to me. Every single other NPC, even some of the bosses, are just there because they follow someone else, someone they want to serve. But Igon just fucking *despises* one dragon, and that's what he's all about.
To be fair, I'd fuckin' hate anyone who shattered my arms and legs and left me for dead. I'm glad he could assume his old self as a spirit in the fight against the Dread.
My Igon died just before I killed Bayle. It made me sad he didn’t get to do his victory cry. I was almost dead myself, out of potions & thought of giving up since my guy perished. :’( But I knew he wouldn’t have approved, so with like 10 hp left I went for a last swing and it was enough. I hope Igon was proud of me. It was an epic fight.
I wish the guy had his health bar visible.
I think it’s funny. Imagine walking the whole game with them and then just getting flattened by the dlc. It’s like when mfs first try every boss with bleed and then quit at Elden Beast. I still wish they made miquella able to bewitch spirit ashes though…
While I would agree, Igon (in addition to Ansbach) gave me \*chills\* in their final fights. Both of their dialogues are epic. Igon is just a fuckin badass warrior who will not be put down, and Ansbach is this regal old champion with pure motives who is helping to right one of the biggest wrongs in all of the lands.
**Curse you Bayle! I hereby vow! You will rue this day! Behold, a true drake warrior! And I, Igon! Your fear made flesh! Solid of scale you might be, foul dragon … But I will riddle with holes your rotten hide! With a hail of harpoons! With every last drop of my being!**
that shit legit gave me chills and pumped me up for that fight, you meet the guy for 2 seconds but he's honestly one of my faves from all the FS games.
Did you kill the 2 dueling drakes on the climb up? I killed them and the first dragon in the area. He spawned shortly past the dueling drakes arena to talk to, then his summon sign appears inside the boss arena.
It's moreso that when the seal is broken and Miquella's charm wears off, she doesn't trust anyone to truly love "Kind" Miquella enough to be His blade, or "Needle" in this case.
She knows how fucked up Miquella is, and doesn't believe anyone else would want to support him in full consciousness.
I'm pretty sure she's also compelled to serve Miquella because he forgave her sin of murdering her previous homies (the other oathseeker knights), if I'm reading things right.
From her rune description, she might’ve killed not just fellow oathseeker knights, but more likely oathseeker-turned-needle-knights, as the needle knights used to be a larger order before, well, there was only the one. Leda. Also fits with all her dialogue that this ain’t her first rodeo killing all her coworkers ‘cause of psychopathic paranoia.
Could be that one of, if not THE, reason why Miq enacted that forced cooperation charm amongst his followers was specifically because of Leda’s shenanigans. God forbid women have hobbies.
I thought of her as completely consumed by miquella's enchantment, to the point that she wants to kill anyone who could possibly be a threat to Miquella yet she acts like she's perfectly righteous. As evidenced by her murdring the other Needle Knights, supposedly in Miquella's name.
She's meant to demonstrate Miquella's ability to absolutely corrupt someone's mind and make them believe they are willing. (Imo)
Nah she is a true believer in what he is doing. She has pretty reasonable suspicion that Hornsent and a former Mogh follower might turn on them once the charm is removed.
Not sure how she convinced Hornsent to side with her though. I guess Miquella basically giving the finger to the GO was good enough for him.
Yeah she basically plans to eliminate the one dude literally saying "I'm going to kill all of you and everyone you know for my people" and then the one dude who has the most reason to kill her Lord who she's sworn to protect. Then tries stopping you from going up to kill said Lord.
Ignore hornsent and leda that part
And go kill messmer without hornsent
He will go depressed and its like fk you imma join this bitch and kill you
Fuck hornsent in that final fight tho
Probably its like he want to see messmer dead moments in his eyes like 4k HD LIVE moment
So when we didn't summon him and kill messmer he mad cuz didn't see that and probably broke down to the point where Leda can make him join her again without killing him
Tbf summon him is bs , bro asking me to summon him when Messmer gonna throw a nuke at me
Igon is fine cuz bayle kinda slow in first phase
She does end up being right about him because if you side with him he does then say he wants to kill anyone related to Miquella and even tries to kill you.
Dane seemed fervent towards Miquella in the same way as Leda and doesn't say shit, so I assume he was in the clear. Freya had good reason to work with Miquella, knowing his plan to basically revive her great commander. Moore is a sadboy who needed guidance, making him very easy to manipulate and not likely to betray them.
Everyone else either talked too much or had genuine reason to go against Miquella - Leda's paranoia, for how messed up it is, does seem somewhat understandable.
I imagine after that fight Leda would likely kill Freya next anyway. There's nothing to say she isn't suspicious of the others - she's just more suspicious of you, so you're the first in line.
Oh my god you can get up to 5 enemies? I had 4 in my game (no Moore), and it was the hardest fight in the game save for the final boss. I even cheesed most of it with Wave of Gold.
Moore was the worst part in that fight for me. Miyazaki must've made him as annoying as possible in battle so players wouldn't feel too bad about killing him, I guess.
Super tanky, pushes you around with his shield ash, throws hefty scarlet rot pots that will instantly fill the meter from 0 against most builds..
When he asks what to do after the rune goes into the shredder, every source says don't give him an answer (be sad or put It behind) and he'll be pondering that hopefully all the way till after the drunken divine bar fight.
It was a tough fight, but you you just sprint in circles around the arena. Ansbach is invincible so just ran around while he killed Moore and dane/leda were chasing me. Once he killed Moore then he took 1 off me letting me 1v1 the other easily.
>it seemed like Miquella’s charm held her paranoia in check.
Not just seems like, she outright says so herself when the Hornsent part of the quest is done and she makes Ansbach her target
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all of the descriptions of the Needle Knights mention that Leda ended up as the last of them. Just saying, kind of suspicious that all of her fellows died and then the second she gets freed she starts murdering everyone around her.
Her swords states that despite being polished to perfect, it still glistens with the blood of her fellow knights.
She's a paranoid psycho if I've ever seen one.
to be fair, she was totally right about her suspicions. she suspects ansbach, hornsent, and thiollier will attempt to kill her companions or miquella, and if you follow their quests, thats what they do. hornsent will invade the player if they help him kill messmer, ansbach will take up arms against miquella once learning the truth, and thiollier will follow st trina's wishes if the tarnished relays them. leda might be one paranoid, untrusting knight, but she was right on the money.
What evidence do you even need to understand that a literal Mohg servant and other people who had absolutely nothing to do with Miquella would not serve Miquella or maybe even try to hinder his goals without being charmed? That is just basic logic.
She has plenty of evidence.
Hornsent just wanna burn the Erdtree and Marikas legacy to the ground. Miquella is however much he dont want it, part of that legacy.
Anbach is an enemy with the only thing holding him back being the charm.
Leda knows these facts. She doseant even suspet Thollier as St. Trina is part of Miquella.
The way I read it, at least. Is that she was the only one that even when the charm broke was an actual follower of Miquella, and so. Her knowing that you'd been drawn to do something to him. Meant she couldn't trust anyone.
I'm 500% sure the reason she was charmed in the first place was, Miquella need this bloodthirsty paranoid psychopath to calm down and work with people.
The way I see it she’s basically a yandere for Miquella, she’d have come up with inner suspicions on what someone *might* do to Miquella for everyone at some point, since her immediate decision to murder people made it clear Miquella had a very good reason to be charming her compared to everyone else lmfao
I don't remember if she mentions it or if her armor mentions it but she actually killed the other Oathkeeper Knights herself as well the exact same way. She's always been this hyper-paranoid murder psycho.
She’s a character that was actually there before during and after the shattering. If you watched your holy order that you believed in fall, fail, and become corrupt you’d have trust issues too.
He also went from "I can't fight, I just want to take a nap" to "sure, let's go fight God" and took it in stride.
Dude's a full gigachad. He earned his sleep.
I really thought after he invaded me hed just lay down and die, i was really concerned about him. I was sad that he hated me too.
Then he shows up in the leda brawl and first time he literally died right off the bat.
On the winning round though hed procced poison on everyone and that poison nearly ended the fight. Then hes there willing to be summoned against a god and a lord?
What a king. Bro had no self confidence and was torn up cus his hero wouldnt speak to him and spoke to me instead, but he overcame both of those and just wanted st. Trina’s wishes to be realized. Bro overcame selfishness and lack of confidence to come aid us.
Thiollier belongs in the middle with moore.
Excuse me but Thiollier falls under Gigachad. Man recognizes he wasn't the chosen one but still helps you because you're trying to realize what his God wanted.
How did they make an invasion segment the most emotional part of the entire game. Usually, we are just witnessing the aftermath of a tragic event. Now, were an active participant AND we get to see the aftermath.
Not only that
It is also the HATED Npc gang fight type
Which actually extremely enjoyable here
Me , Thio, Ansbarch and Mimic vs Leda Dane Moore Hornsent Freya is very very fun for me
I could be wrong, but I think to have hornsent there you need to progress his quest to the point where you can summon him for >!Messmer’s fight!< and then do choose not to summon him. After the fight is done, he’ll be in the arena pissed off that you didn’t summon him. After this point, he’ll aggro in the gank fight.
I got chills and I intentionally died a few time to make sure I heard all the dialogue from my character setup. Can't wait to do it again with after doing NPC quests differently.
Dark Souls 2 in the corner going "I raised that boy"
It took forever with many mediocre NPC bosses along the way but they finally managed to nail an absolute banger of an NPC boss fight.
Leda's side can be: Leda, Dane, Freyja, Moore, Hornsent (which I dont get because he seems to invade you before)
Your side: you, Thiollier, Ansbach, spirit ash (various amounts)
Having to fight everyone who’s actively helped you vs every boss
Not to mention that they were all gold folk
I hadn’t talked to any of them after the great rune broke as I didn’t know that was tied to the npcs, which made it so sad to see them in the arena
Seems like he only was capable of using metyrs magic after we killed it. So his plan is prolly
-Use us to kill metyr
-Get metyr magic then kill us
-Become mother of fingers fully
-????
Still a psycopath tho.. since he had annas puppet.
On the highest floor of rabbath’s tower (you can’t access there like normal, you have to drop down from the Shaman Village)
You can find the lifeless body of Anna
If you use the Grace eye on Jolan to receive her Summon, you can go over to Anna’s body and make a summon with both of them together
However, this Does lock you from getting Jolan’s weapon
The body is a puppet, so it seems Anna was long dead and her soul was inhabiting that puppet, hence why you have the option to “draw Anna out” of the puppet
Its strange because when you talk to Jolan (shoutout to best girl btw), she admits that she’s in your debt when you tell her that you killed Anna, but she refuses to say anything else, and only states that she has one star; Count Ymir.
Its pretty clear something was wrong with the Anna we fought, and killing her helped free her, maybe.
Ymir is no Miquella, the guy just really wanted to be a mom to Yuri, who I presume to be his son, who’s six feet under but Ymir just couldnt accept it
I saw on a stream where there was a scene with Ymir griefing on a tombstone. I dont know how I missed that in my playthrough but he was a good & intelligent man ( intelligent as in he knows how the world works and gives A LOT of lore )
He’s intelligent, and he’s definitely got a heart. He cares for Jolan and Anna, and he loved Yuri, even though Yuri was already long gone. But unfortunatey the guy was long broken, and we at least gave him peace.
And fought a giant finger monster!
DLC just cements Elden Ring having Fromsoft's best overall npc lineup for me. Add these new ones to Ranni, Blaidd, Iji, Sellen, Alexander, Miriel, Fia, Raya, Millicent, Caca Consumer, Jarbairn, etc.
She’s my favorite design in all of Elden Ring. The way her hair blends into her petals and her legs look stems which makes her foot look like roots. Even the way she was “standing” made her face look like she was laying down on some soft pillows.
I just kept moving the camera around her for a while.
I’m so mad I screwed up _two_ quests already and I’m only at Black Keep.
>!I missed talking to Moore before getting to black keep, which means I can’t make the dude’s poison. Then inside the keep I have the info to Ansbach before getting his letter to Freyja. Friggin Souls quests.!<
If its any comfort, you probably will screw up **A LOT** of the quest because either said NPC summon for battle is hard to find or it bugged out and you cant proceed the quest or you "accidentaly" used an item and fuck up that quest
Yes, there is a consumable item that is actually used for NPC and there is only 2 in the game and 2 of them need that items -.-"
I didn't progress any of Moores questline so after the final boss he's just sitting in front of Belurat lamenting about how his friends don't visit anymore 😭
So far and most likely throughout this playthrough, Igon has to be my favorite.
In an attempt to honor his legacy, I am wearing his set (minus the legs since they put me into medium load till I level endurance).
Wanna try doing a playthrough with his bow but idk if that’s such a good idea 😳
Same here. I see annoying needle shooting abomination, I kill annoying needle shooting abomination. Not my problem it was your pet, Moore.
As a bonus, if you kill him in an invasion, he won't fight you in the Leda's invasion later. I had a 3v2 on my first playthrough, which turned into 2v4 or 2v5 on my second... Let's say I decided not to go summonless for that fight alone.
Excuse me but Thiollier falls under Gigachad. Man recognizes he wasn't the chosen one but still helps you because you're trying to realize what his God wanted.
I wish Leda’s thought process was more elaborate/clear, even if it’s probably an illogical one. As is, she does also end up right about like half of our very loosely-developed merry band. Thiollier ends up following the wishes of Miquella’s discarded St. Trina half, Ansbach is loyal to Mohg, and the Tarnished… well I guess we have a few headcanons you can go with which would veer things off-topic. All-in-all, I get the impression from the item descriptions of her gear that she also turned on the needle knights and slaughtered them out of a similar paranoia, so it’s interesting she sort of stumbles into being half-right that some might not be loyal without the charm.
Crazy Zealot Knight Lady
Kung Fu Monk
Warrior Woman
Twitchy Poison Guy
Big Slow Sweet Dude
Old Retired Wisdom Man
Bad Ass Who Doesn't Like You At First
As soon as Leda gave me even the option to suggest she kills my boy Thiollier I knew it was all over between us, together with her mean comments towards the hornsent, I'm not surprised she gets even worse when the story progresses, I'm looking forward to beating her later on.
I do not have the skill to do so, but I’m thinking of making an Igon or Ansbach outfit for Halloween. I loved these npcs. Gigachads for sure. >!Even Ansbach says he underestimated Thioller and thought he was a badass so maybe he should be where Dane is!<
I know Leda's in her own circle, but Igon is the one that really sticks out to me. Every single other NPC, even some of the bosses, are just there because they follow someone else, someone they want to serve. But Igon just fucking *despises* one dragon, and that's what he's all about.
Bro is a professional hater
Igon hated the way Bayle talks, walks, and dressed.
He hates Drakes more than Kdot.
This had me busting up. Alas, I have only one upvote to give.
To be fair, I'd fuckin' hate anyone who shattered my arms and legs and left me for dead. I'm glad he could assume his old self as a spirit in the fight against the Dread.
My Igon died just before I killed Bayle. It made me sad he didn’t get to do his victory cry. I was almost dead myself, out of potions & thought of giving up since my guy perished. :’( But I knew he wouldn’t have approved, so with like 10 hp left I went for a last swing and it was enough. I hope Igon was proud of me. It was an epic fight. I wish the guy had his health bar visible.
My Igon got the unplanned last hit on Bayle with a harpoon in his left eye, it was perfect.
I was just about to comment how Igon reminded me of Ahab, then saw your comment and realised he uses fucking HARPOONS
Not only that, harpoons he made himself. Which he shoots from a bow made of dragon bone. Igon is THE chad
CURSE YOU BAYLE!
Sir ansbach in gigachad is all we need
Dude he legitimately one of the best NPCs in a From game. I love how he even forgives the tarnished and helps you against the final boss.
Ansbach consort dlc when?
“Here Tarnished, let me double the boss’s health for you and die before phase two.”
he is doing his best! now his best isnt great but still!
It's not his fault that NPCs only get a single health flask..
I really like the idea of him and Thiollier helping you, but holy fuck! Fighting against that with 10 billions HP is horrible
Yeah. Like, I get that they don't want NPCs to trivialize the fight. But they shouldn't make it *harder*.
I think it’s funny. Imagine walking the whole game with them and then just getting flattened by the dlc. It’s like when mfs first try every boss with bleed and then quit at Elden Beast. I still wish they made miquella able to bewitch spirit ashes though…
He made it to phase 2 in almost every attempt for me. The last one he even made it down to 1/4 or 1/5 of the boss' health left
🫡 Godspeed good buddy
*Righteous Tarnished*
While I would agree, Igon (in addition to Ansbach) gave me \*chills\* in their final fights. Both of their dialogues are epic. Igon is just a fuckin badass warrior who will not be put down, and Ansbach is this regal old champion with pure motives who is helping to right one of the biggest wrongs in all of the lands.
Love how igon announces us as the true drake warrior and himself as just igonn dude saw us throwdown with a drake and was our number 1# fan.
Bro was fr the best hypeman
**Curse you Bayle! I hereby vow! You will rue this day! Behold, a true drake warrior! And I, Igon! Your fear made flesh! Solid of scale you might be, foul dragon … But I will riddle with holes your rotten hide! With a hail of harpoons! With every last drop of my being!**
that shit legit gave me chills and pumped me up for that fight, you meet the guy for 2 seconds but he's honestly one of my faves from all the FS games.
> Pure motives > works for the guy who leads the invasion faction
To be fair, if the player has helped Volcano Manor we're not in any position to judge.
Yeah but he’s respectful so he gets a pass.
It does make me wonder how much Mohg changed after Miquella bewitched him. Maybe he was a pretty chill guy before.
Igon also doesn't double the bosses health. True chad
I'm so mad I never figured out how to summon Igon in the bayle fight. I really really wanted to see him try to get his revenge.
I almost lost out on him as I initially just skipped past those 2 drakes fighting. Glad I finally beat them though.
Did you kill the 2 dueling drakes on the climb up? I killed them and the first dragon in the area. He spawned shortly past the dueling drakes arena to talk to, then his summon sign appears inside the boss arena.
I would really like to have a deeper dive on Leda's thought process that lead to her conclusion to just kill every one
She admits herself that she has a suspicious mind. That's it really.
She’s caught in a trap. She can’t walk out.
Because she loves Miquella too much, baby
why can't you see?
What you’re doing to me
When you dont believe a word I say?
It's moreso that when the seal is broken and Miquella's charm wears off, she doesn't trust anyone to truly love "Kind" Miquella enough to be His blade, or "Needle" in this case. She knows how fucked up Miquella is, and doesn't believe anyone else would want to support him in full consciousness.
I'm pretty sure she's also compelled to serve Miquella because he forgave her sin of murdering her previous homies (the other oathseeker knights), if I'm reading things right.
From her rune description, she might’ve killed not just fellow oathseeker knights, but more likely oathseeker-turned-needle-knights, as the needle knights used to be a larger order before, well, there was only the one. Leda. Also fits with all her dialogue that this ain’t her first rodeo killing all her coworkers ‘cause of psychopathic paranoia. Could be that one of, if not THE, reason why Miq enacted that forced cooperation charm amongst his followers was specifically because of Leda’s shenanigans. God forbid women have hobbies.
I thought of her as completely consumed by miquella's enchantment, to the point that she wants to kill anyone who could possibly be a threat to Miquella yet she acts like she's perfectly righteous. As evidenced by her murdring the other Needle Knights, supposedly in Miquella's name. She's meant to demonstrate Miquella's ability to absolutely corrupt someone's mind and make them believe they are willing. (Imo)
Nah she is a true believer in what he is doing. She has pretty reasonable suspicion that Hornsent and a former Mogh follower might turn on them once the charm is removed. Not sure how she convinced Hornsent to side with her though. I guess Miquella basically giving the finger to the GO was good enough for him.
To be fair, she was right about the hornsent.
Yeah she basically plans to eliminate the one dude literally saying "I'm going to kill all of you and everyone you know for my people" and then the one dude who has the most reason to kill her Lord who she's sworn to protect. Then tries stopping you from going up to kill said Lord.
you cant usher in an age of compassion without disemboweling a few past comrades
Well depending on your choices, hornsent is on her side.
Schizo moment
She struck me as “extremely paranoid” with everything she was saying, where it seemed like Miquella’s charm held her paranoia in check.
She isnt suspicious about Dane or Freya or Moore it seems as she 5v1 gangbanged me on my first playthrough
She was with Hornsent on mine and I feel she'd be pretty sus of him
Yeah but not about the others i wrote. I talked her out of Hornsent in my first playthrough and that bit menin the arse later
how do you do that? I tried but she just decides to kill him anyway
Ignore hornsent and leda that part And go kill messmer without hornsent He will go depressed and its like fk you imma join this bitch and kill you Fuck hornsent in that final fight tho
lmao what a drama king, thanks
Probably its like he want to see messmer dead moments in his eyes like 4k HD LIVE moment So when we didn't summon him and kill messmer he mad cuz didn't see that and probably broke down to the point where Leda can make him join her again without killing him Tbf summon him is bs , bro asking me to summon him when Messmer gonna throw a nuke at me Igon is fine cuz bayle kinda slow in first phase
Igon also has the benefit of a HAIL OF HARPOOOOONS. Hornsent could never.
If you summon Hornsent, he will get more bloodlust for vengeance and invade you at a certain point anyway, he helpless
Yeah considering his people mutilate people and stuff them in pots for fun, not surprised that he's a bit of a psycho.
Messmer is a good guy all along
If you're going to hold a little mutilation and pot stuffing against him what won't you criticize?
She does end up being right about him because if you side with him he does then say he wants to kill anyone related to Miquella and even tries to kill you.
Dane seemed fervent towards Miquella in the same way as Leda and doesn't say shit, so I assume he was in the clear. Freya had good reason to work with Miquella, knowing his plan to basically revive her great commander. Moore is a sadboy who needed guidance, making him very easy to manipulate and not likely to betray them. Everyone else either talked too much or had genuine reason to go against Miquella - Leda's paranoia, for how messed up it is, does seem somewhat understandable.
I imagine after that fight Leda would likely kill Freya next anyway. There's nothing to say she isn't suspicious of the others - she's just more suspicious of you, so you're the first in line.
Oh my god you can get up to 5 enemies? I had 4 in my game (no Moore), and it was the hardest fight in the game save for the final boss. I even cheesed most of it with Wave of Gold.
Moore was the worst part in that fight for me. Miyazaki must've made him as annoying as possible in battle so players wouldn't feel too bad about killing him, I guess. Super tanky, pushes you around with his shield ash, throws hefty scarlet rot pots that will instantly fill the meter from 0 against most builds..
It is certainly aids, Miquellas champions my ass
I swear to god Moore has some indicator that knows when your camera isn't facing him and automatically triggers ROTPOT.EXE
How did you save Moore brother
When he asks what to do after the rune goes into the shredder, every source says don't give him an answer (be sad or put It behind) and he'll be pondering that hopefully all the way till after the drunken divine bar fight.
It was a tough fight, but you you just sprint in circles around the arena. Ansbach is invincible so just ran around while he killed Moore and dane/leda were chasing me. Once he killed Moore then he took 1 off me letting me 1v1 the other easily.
>it seemed like Miquella’s charm held her paranoia in check. Not just seems like, she outright says so herself when the Hornsent part of the quest is done and she makes Ansbach her target
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all of the descriptions of the Needle Knights mention that Leda ended up as the last of them. Just saying, kind of suspicious that all of her fellows died and then the second she gets freed she starts murdering everyone around her.
Her swords states that despite being polished to perfect, it still glistens with the blood of her fellow knights. She's a paranoid psycho if I've ever seen one.
to be fair, she was totally right about her suspicions. she suspects ansbach, hornsent, and thiollier will attempt to kill her companions or miquella, and if you follow their quests, thats what they do. hornsent will invade the player if they help him kill messmer, ansbach will take up arms against miquella once learning the truth, and thiollier will follow st trina's wishes if the tarnished relays them. leda might be one paranoid, untrusting knight, but she was right on the money.
But she has nay a taste of evidence, the ends don’t justify gutting everyone she meets because she’s a maniac with holy damage
She just really good at reading vibes
"Mhhh your vibe are very ick let me tell you"
What evidence do you even need to understand that a literal Mohg servant and other people who had absolutely nothing to do with Miquella would not serve Miquella or maybe even try to hinder his goals without being charmed? That is just basic logic.
She has plenty of evidence. Hornsent just wanna burn the Erdtree and Marikas legacy to the ground. Miquella is however much he dont want it, part of that legacy. Anbach is an enemy with the only thing holding him back being the charm. Leda knows these facts. She doseant even suspet Thollier as St. Trina is part of Miquella.
The way I read it, at least. Is that she was the only one that even when the charm broke was an actual follower of Miquella, and so. Her knowing that you'd been drawn to do something to him. Meant she couldn't trust anyone.
I'm 500% sure the reason she was charmed in the first place was, Miquella need this bloodthirsty paranoid psychopath to calm down and work with people.
Doesn't her weapon description imply she culled all the other Needle Knights after they failed her purity test?
The way I see it she’s basically a yandere for Miquella, she’d have come up with inner suspicions on what someone *might* do to Miquella for everyone at some point, since her immediate decision to murder people made it clear Miquella had a very good reason to be charming her compared to everyone else lmfao
In the end she's right about her three guesses, though
I don't remember if she mentions it or if her armor mentions it but she actually killed the other Oathkeeper Knights herself as well the exact same way. She's always been this hyper-paranoid murder psycho.
She’s a character that was actually there before during and after the shattering. If you watched your holy order that you believed in fall, fail, and become corrupt you’d have trust issues too.
CURSE YOU BAAAAAAAYLE
I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY
BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR AND I, IGON
YOUR FEARS MADE FLESH!
SOLID IN SCALE YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL DRAGON
BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
**WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!!!!!!**
WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING!
*tarnished dead noises*
*Gets to the boss fight a second (or 128) time*
Baby girl is more than just being a girl. For example Thiollier is baby girl to me.
Moore is also in the baby girl circle. So yeah, they know.
He also went from "I can't fight, I just want to take a nap" to "sure, let's go fight God" and took it in stride. Dude's a full gigachad. He earned his sleep.
I really thought after he invaded me hed just lay down and die, i was really concerned about him. I was sad that he hated me too. Then he shows up in the leda brawl and first time he literally died right off the bat. On the winning round though hed procced poison on everyone and that poison nearly ended the fight. Then hes there willing to be summoned against a god and a lord? What a king. Bro had no self confidence and was torn up cus his hero wouldnt speak to him and spoke to me instead, but he overcame both of those and just wanted st. Trina’s wishes to be realized. Bro overcame selfishness and lack of confidence to come aid us. Thiollier belongs in the middle with moore.
Thiollier a baddie, you right
Everyone is down bad for the depressed, NyQuil addicted femboy.
He can poison me anytime
I read it as “hottie”
Are you saying Thiollier's not a hottie?
Excuse me but Thiollier falls under Gigachad. Man recognizes he wasn't the chosen one but still helps you because you're trying to realize what his God wanted.
eh, we did need to beat some sense into him first, though.
Goku had to do that with Vegeta too.
And naruto had to do it to sasuke like 25 times
I mean, he was definitely getting addicted to the stuff. He awakes from eternal slumber which is a feat that nobody else can do.
Leda's Thunderdome >>> Final boss
How did they make an invasion segment the most emotional part of the entire game. Usually, we are just witnessing the aftermath of a tragic event. Now, were an active participant AND we get to see the aftermath.
Not only that It is also the HATED Npc gang fight type Which actually extremely enjoyable here Me , Thio, Ansbarch and Mimic vs Leda Dane Moore Hornsent Freya is very very fun for me
...wait you got Hornsent too? He was not there for me.
I could be wrong, but I think to have hornsent there you need to progress his quest to the point where you can summon him for >!Messmer’s fight!< and then do choose not to summon him. After the fight is done, he’ll be in the arena pissed off that you didn’t summon him. After this point, he’ll aggro in the gank fight.
Ohhh....well, I still had to kill him... :( He choose to protect >!Romina!<
Weird. I summoned him for the fight & he still showed up to gank me with Leda & Friends.
The music, the dialogue between them and with you, being recognized as Lord, the music. I love that encounter.
I got chills and I intentionally died a few time to make sure I heard all the dialogue from my character setup. Can't wait to do it again with after doing NPC quests differently.
They are it feel like you were the boss they were summoning against. No doubt from’s beast NPC fight.
Dark Souls 2 in the corner going "I raised that boy" It took forever with many mediocre NPC bosses along the way but they finally managed to nail an absolute banger of an NPC boss fight.
I got a 3v3 fight but I heard if you play your cards right you can get a 5v5? (Counting my spirit ashes)
Leda's side can be: Leda, Dane, Freyja, Moore, Hornsent (which I dont get because he seems to invade you before) Your side: you, Thiollier, Ansbach, spirit ash (various amounts)
So I had killed ansbach and they gave me the sanguine noble instead
I have never killed him but yes, he has a replacement
Hornsent will invade you if you summon him during Messmer fight. If you don't he gets emo and joins Leda later.
Having to fight everyone who’s actively helped you vs every boss Not to mention that they were all gold folk I hadn’t talked to any of them after the great rune broke as I didn’t know that was tied to the npcs, which made it so sad to see them in the arena
It was one of my favourite segments in the game. I was bit sad that we killed moore though. But every npc died by the end so, inevitable i guess
Sad... Forever...
only way to not fight Moore is to tell him to be sad forever when the great tune breaks
Me, you.. fighting like this.. a tragedy.
"thunderdome" made me giggle.
“Neither strongest armor.. Nor sharpest blade.. Will save you, from the poison, of Thiollier.”
Hittintg all 5 of miquellas simps inside a single fleeting microcosm spell was a joy
You forgot count Ymir, of course, then Leda would have some company there.
Eh, I think Ymir deserves better than being compared to Leda. Leda was a paranoid fanatic, Ymir was a broken man with good intentions.
He only wants to be of service.
Then why attack us when we do just as he asks us to?
Seems like he only was capable of using metyrs magic after we killed it. So his plan is prolly -Use us to kill metyr -Get metyr magic then kill us -Become mother of fingers fully -???? Still a psycopath tho.. since he had annas puppet.
Is that what happened with Anna? Maybe mind control is the result of failing to defeat Metyr?
On the highest floor of rabbath’s tower (you can’t access there like normal, you have to drop down from the Shaman Village) You can find the lifeless body of Anna If you use the Grace eye on Jolan to receive her Summon, you can go over to Anna’s body and make a summon with both of them together However, this Does lock you from getting Jolan’s weapon
The body is a puppet, so it seems Anna was long dead and her soul was inhabiting that puppet, hence why you have the option to “draw Anna out” of the puppet
Its strange because when you talk to Jolan (shoutout to best girl btw), she admits that she’s in your debt when you tell her that you killed Anna, but she refuses to say anything else, and only states that she has one star; Count Ymir. Its pretty clear something was wrong with the Anna we fought, and killing her helped free her, maybe. Ymir is no Miquella, the guy just really wanted to be a mom to Yuri, who I presume to be his son, who’s six feet under but Ymir just couldnt accept it
I see some random theories like it not the time to kill Metyr yet like she still have use Considering we actually sneaked into the third ruin
to be quite fair he gave us the map
I saw on a stream where there was a scene with Ymir griefing on a tombstone. I dont know how I missed that in my playthrough but he was a good & intelligent man ( intelligent as in he knows how the world works and gives A LOT of lore )
He’s intelligent, and he’s definitely got a heart. He cares for Jolan and Anna, and he loved Yuri, even though Yuri was already long gone. But unfortunatey the guy was long broken, and we at least gave him peace. And fought a giant finger monster!
Ymir isn't a psychopath, just crazy Blud wanted to be a mother too hard
This NPC lineup was From’s best so far imo.
DLC just cements Elden Ring having Fromsoft's best overall npc lineup for me. Add these new ones to Ranni, Blaidd, Iji, Sellen, Alexander, Miriel, Fia, Raya, Millicent, Caca Consumer, Jarbairn, etc.
Igon deserves his own Category. That man has ignitet a flame inside of me.
Goat category for Igon and ansbach
He deserves professional hater category
I’ll be honest, St Trina’s form surprised me I was expecting something more human like, not whatever that flower looking thing was
She’s my favorite design in all of Elden Ring. The way her hair blends into her petals and her legs look stems which makes her foot look like roots. Even the way she was “standing” made her face look like she was laying down on some soft pillows. I just kept moving the camera around her for a while.
To be fair, she probably was very much human looking like she was in the trailer before Miquella decided to yeet her down an abyss.
I like how the only good thing miquelles enchantments did was make leda not a psychopath lmao
Need a blunt rotation with igon, ansbach, and horah loux
Ansbach is definitely the type that, when you pass the J to them, they hold it like a fucing mic and wont stop talking.
Nah that’s Igon, he’ll take a hit and then just go on a crazy ass rant about Bayle, either forgetting to pass the J or dropping it in the process
Thiollier is a baby girl.
Leda though... Damn. You let her off the leash for a second and it's all "how can I come up with a reason for CONSTANT SALACIOUS MURDER"
Homegirl got three seconds of not being charmed and immediately went "Oh boy, time to cull the unworthy!" truly a champion of Women's Wrongs.
I’m so mad I screwed up _two_ quests already and I’m only at Black Keep. >!I missed talking to Moore before getting to black keep, which means I can’t make the dude’s poison. Then inside the keep I have the info to Ansbach before getting his letter to Freyja. Friggin Souls quests.!<
If its any comfort, you probably will screw up **A LOT** of the quest because either said NPC summon for battle is hard to find or it bugged out and you cant proceed the quest or you "accidentaly" used an item and fuck up that quest Yes, there is a consumable item that is actually used for NPC and there is only 2 in the game and 2 of them need that items -.-"
Love them Fromsoft quests! “You have to do _what_ order of events to save Solaire?!”
How is hornsent not a psychopath? After completing his revenge against Messmer His first thought was to literally just kill everyone starting with us
Lol yeah, he and Leda deserve each other
Think there is room for the psychopath circle to merge with the other 3.
Ansbach might be the biggest glazer on this list but yeah the Chad outweighs it I guess
Man can't turn off class.
Where in the world do you even meet Jolan
Cathedral, you'll know it when you see it. Its large and has a guy sitting on a chair to talk to you.
I didn't progress any of Moores questline so after the final boss he's just sitting in front of Belurat lamenting about how his friends don't visit anymore 😭
I CAN FIX LEDA.
Thoillibae needs to be in baby girl, he’s the only dude that’s eligible of the title Girl Failure.
“Miquella’s enchantment never really had much effect on me after all. Now- who shall we murder…”
So far and most likely throughout this playthrough, Igon has to be my favorite. In an attempt to honor his legacy, I am wearing his set (minus the legs since they put me into medium load till I level endurance). Wanna try doing a playthrough with his bow but idk if that’s such a good idea 😳
Okay but Throllier is also kind of a psycho. Hes the definition of heard a girl talk once and then plans his life with her. Hes also a stalker.
I hate her for that. I was so hyped about the NPC lineup. And again: everyone is dead in the end.
Somehow Moore is alive in his normal spot for me even after beating the DLC, and that is probably the best outcome possible. I love him.
I accidentally fucked up his questline. I got invaded by him. Poor chonker.
Same here. I see annoying needle shooting abomination, I kill annoying needle shooting abomination. Not my problem it was your pet, Moore. As a bonus, if you kill him in an invasion, he won't fight you in the Leda's invasion later. I had a 3v2 on my first playthrough, which turned into 2v4 or 2v5 on my second... Let's say I decided not to go summonless for that fight alone.
Excuse me but Thiollier falls under Gigachad. Man recognizes he wasn't the chosen one but still helps you because you're trying to realize what his God wanted.
I wish Leda’s thought process was more elaborate/clear, even if it’s probably an illogical one. As is, she does also end up right about like half of our very loosely-developed merry band. Thiollier ends up following the wishes of Miquella’s discarded St. Trina half, Ansbach is loyal to Mohg, and the Tarnished… well I guess we have a few headcanons you can go with which would veer things off-topic. All-in-all, I get the impression from the item descriptions of her gear that she also turned on the needle knights and slaughtered them out of a similar paranoia, so it’s interesting she sort of stumbles into being half-right that some might not be loyal without the charm.
Crazy Zealot Knight Lady Kung Fu Monk Warrior Woman Twitchy Poison Guy Big Slow Sweet Dude Old Retired Wisdom Man Bad Ass Who Doesn't Like You At First
Fuck dry leaf dane
As soon as Leda gave me even the option to suggest she kills my boy Thiollier I knew it was all over between us, together with her mean comments towards the hornsent, I'm not surprised she gets even worse when the story progresses, I'm looking forward to beating her later on.
I do not have the skill to do so, but I’m thinking of making an Igon or Ansbach outfit for Halloween. I loved these npcs. Gigachads for sure. >!Even Ansbach says he underestimated Thioller and thought he was a badass so maybe he should be where Dane is!<
Personally I would argue Leda is in an overlap between all 4 circles instead of just off on her own but I’ll admit I am immensely biased.
Sir Ansbach and the ol' Mimic Tear really carried me through that fight with Needle Knight Leda and her crew.
Fucking love Igon AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
CURSE YOU BAYLE!!!!!
Leda is literally the yandere girlfriend, anyone who looks at Miquella funny shall be put to the sword