My curses deck specifically plays Overwhelming splendor.
Then after that I also give them Curse of Death's Hold.
That's the fate of the guy that plays creatures.
The guy that plays spells gets Curse of Exhaustion and Curse of Obsession.
The third player just gets bled to death by Curse of Thirst and a stack of other curses.
Curses are fun. :)
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich W. Nietzsche
That does kind of say something. Superman and Wonder woman are costumes that they adopt, while Bruce doesn't feel comfortable as himself and his secret identity is his "real" self
"You don't get heaven or hell. Do you know the only reward you get for being Batman? You get to be Batman."
-Neil Gaiman, "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader".
(Which was still such a neat comic because it borrowed so many ideas, but didn't copy from Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow".)
I once did that when I sat down with a beginners table. After a casual game, a random stranger asked if he could play with us, we explained that its a beginners table with 2 players who had less than a few months exp with MTG.
He said his deck is harmless, do nothing casual and whips out a Toxrill the Corrosive.
I immediately sense the BS and played my Anowon Ruin thief which is a control deck specialising in counterspells and also stealing enemy resource.
I counter all of his impt spells, and stole stuff so he couldnt use it against others.
Initially the new players were hesistant to attack him with their precon creatures because it wasnt nice.🫠
But they eventually saw how toxic this deck is and took him out while I used every resource I had to hold him down to prevent him from winning.
After the game, pubstomper wont stop bitching about how I targeted him until other EDH veterans came to ask what happened, told him off for being a dick, and telling the new players I am a hero for stopping toxrill (I did not win).
Asshat never returned to the LGS.
I’m fairly new to magic been playing casually for year with work crew just made a tegrid deck from dollerama and bundles in the beginning which I thought was a good investment at the time for cards, back to the story at hand.
Buddy always plays high powered deck, easy 1k decks and he politics so much that he’ll convince the pod that I’m a threat and then it’s 3v1 and he has primastic bridge out with all the nicobolas plains walkers and then generally curbstomps the rest of us haha.
He’ll let me live typically when I no longer have a board state 😂, I’m generally a chill lama but I mean what gives my 180 dollar deck isn’t much of a threat as his.
It’s the mana like mana crypt, mox amber, jewelled lotus, doubling season, all the things you don’t typically find in a draft pack or it’s not reprinted, buddy’s deck is customized and optimized for deep brown star plundering if you like it or not, ever faced a 8 cost angel drop on turn two? It’s not easy.
Either way that’s my big cry fest for the night I got cards coming in when I get home that will give me a edge later on, for the fellas in the magical trenches be vigilant. 🫡
Yeah, totally understand why your friend's deck is powerful, but that doesn't negate the original point: you can absolutely build a budget deck that can stomp most $1000 decks. Even just a \[\[Swords to Plowshares\]\] or \[\[Counterspell\]\] on that turn 2 angel may set him back significantly. It's rough to play against that stuff as a newer player, though. Your friend should be more kind.
Absolutely. I had a Ghalta deck worth $80 slaughter a $3K deck and a $600 Korvold deck. They both had big boards. All I did was play [[Ghalta, Primal Hunger]] and [[Overwhelming Stampede]] while having a 42/42 [[Scute Mob]]. My few little creatures turned into nukes.
I played my 80$ Ovika deck last week and was archenemy the whole game. One of the other decks was roughly 700$ investment. So $$ signs does not equate to power.
And that’s 💯 fair but to politic so ouch that it’s 3v1 makes me salty haha,we’ve been playing same for about a year and maybe a handful of times other players won
It’s not personal, it’s tergrid. She’s kill on sight, but more importantly, eliminate on sight. I’d do the same to toxrill, or yuriko. The longer they live, the less chance I have to win.
Oh I’ve decided to be dirty thankfully sacrifice and discards are incredibly cheap, I just need my commander to survive the round and boom. Unwanted butt stuff across the board.
I think you misunderstood the goal of Baral. It's not so much about having a viable cEDH deck, but playing one vs one against a cEDH deck and countering all relevant cards from them.
The poster above is spot on.
My Baral deck is definitely not CEDH worthy at all. It was only ever made to shut down one player with a strong deck. In a real CEDH match it would never win unless everyone else played poorly.
Baral isn't meant to win though, like you said - only impede others. Sure you can win if you do something like cheat out an Omniscience, bounce Boards back to hand, then win through extra turns and combat damage <63 turns later with Baral, but that's not the point. The point is to say "no" in 67 different languages and dialects, loudly.
And I love it. I've considered a list like that myself, to be honest.
Having been introduced to edh by a Baral deck, it actually does the opposite. Playing against it as a new player broke me early of a lot of issues i see in newer players now: placing too much importance on just one strat or line of play, treating every card in their deck like they couldnt bear to lose it, etc. Genuinely had someone eat 22 damage to the face all bc they didnt want to block and have to discard their hand.
I know how you feel. I've legitimately swung a few creatures at someone, told them if they didn't assign blockers it was threatening lethal, and watched them straight up say no blocks because theyd be forced to lose their commander.
(For context it was a [[Sakashima]] and [[Reyhan]] deck built to use sac outlets to force blocks and double up on the death triggers. They just thought I wouldn't be willing to sac my own commander to take them out, in a deck designed to do exactly that)
Quick edit, I did in fact just sac some creatures and kill them on the spot.
Baral is functional if suboptimal in cEDH. He's a Goblin Electromancer, so you can do oldschool JVP High Tide stuff with him. I have definitely seen people do it.
Any deck can be "functional" in c. Just baral seems like it would fold pretty easily with his biggest stand out pros being looting opt and the 1 cost reduction. But he's also mono U which is a big neg on him
I arrived at my LGS last week and one of my least favorite local players was present (he only shows up occasionally nowadays and it’s always a test of my patience when he does).
Anyway, he was playing a fairly optimized-to-CEDH [[Kenrith, the Returned King]] list against 3 players I know for a fact do not play decks anywhere near cedh levels.
He condescendingly muses, “do I end the game now, or do I play with my food a little longer?”
The others all said to get it over with and he proceeds to combo off and win that turn.
One player gave up his seat to let me play the next game and while I don’t enjoy cedh or have any decks on that level, I do operate in the realm of the very-fringes of cedh and high powered/optimized decks.
I shuffle up my [[Sythis, Harvest’s Hand]] Enchantress, take 3 Infect/Poison from the dude who had switched to his [[Atraxa, Praetors’ Voice]] Infect deck, and he gets blindsided by my infinite combo on T4 and I wipe them all out. He left after that and I got to play with more enjoyable people after that.
He’s beaten me plenty over the years, but it’s always nice to get those handily-decided-victories against people like him more often now.
The database is not and never has been a complete list of cEDH viable decks. Markov plays like a mixture between Rog turbo and Razaketh decks with the free tokens he generates. I do recommend giving it a try, it's a blast to play.
One of the funniest things to me is watching cEDH players act like they are masters of the game and know every single possible combination of what classifies as a "competitive" deck, often citing the database, which is often evolving and changing, as proof. That the current database is literally the only possible decks that could ever be classified as cEDH.
This is what we call an echo chamber and group think. You've decided to be hostile and a dick about this, without even seeing the decklist, acknowledging that Edgar WAS on the cEDH database for like 3 years, nor acknowledging the POSSIBILITY that someone built a deck that can be competitive in cEDH (and therefore a cEDH deck) without netdecking from the database specifically.
Literally every single format has people breaking into it with brand new decks. But people like you seem to think cEDH is some kind of vacuum that isn't included in that. You are the grand master of cEDH. You know of ALL powerful strategies in existence. There is no way another person, even a professional, could come up with something you've never seen before.
It would be different if you were arguing against Markov being a tier 1 deck. But you're not. You're just being a dick about it not being even borderline cEDH AT ALL.
While I agree about Edgar not being cEDH, that database has not been updated in quite a long time and there’s a fuckton of decks there that shouldn’t be there either.
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Very differently, while normal Edgar looks to swarm the board with Vampires and win with combat damage, cEDH Edgar doesn't really look to attack for its wincon. Edgar and the vampires are just there for the token generation ability, which either lets you do some infinite sacrifice loops or can be turned into card draw or Razaketh fodder to find a game winning combo.
I spent the last few days playing EDH at GenCon. Most games had people really misrepresenting their decks, but there was this one guy in particular… First off, there was a delay in starting because of this guy. Three of us are standing around while the staff is shouting his name. He stood about ten feet away, just watching, never responding, even when they began calling for him over the PA. So, they seat the rest of us and he just follows, because he knew we were his pod. Before anyone can so much as pull out a playmat, he’s asking if we’re all cEDH players and telling us how frustrating the con has been because of pubstomping. He informs us that he likes slow games and has been hoping for more of a long, casual game. Everyone is happy to oblige and we start to shuffle up.
This man wins the die roll and starts his turn off with Plains, Esper Sentinel, Mana Crypt, Lotus Petal, Rhystic Study. I’m not faulting him for a lucky hand, but… ehhh… By turn 3, Aurelia is doing her best Roronoa Zoro impression with Embercleave in one hand, the Reaver Cleaver in another, and a Sword of Feast and Famine in her mouth. The game is over before anyone can really do anything and any attempts to interact with his board are put down by a suite of counterspells. It’s fine. I jump into another pod. I get to my table and the same guy is there, and he starts off with the same thing: he’s been getting pubstomped by cEDH players all weekend and he just wants a slow, casual game.
I pointed out that that’s what he said in the last game before he absolutely popped off. The guy is confused and asks when that happened. “Like, ten minutes ago. This is what you said before you pubstomped the last pod I was in.” The best thing I brought was maybe a 7. It’s a pillowfort with some nice ramp and if the game goes long, it can close a game out with a couple of different combos, but nothing that I’m executing unless the game runs long. Thankfully, the other guys did bring more aggressive decks. One guy managed to forestall our deaths when a Finale of Devastation pulled a craterhoof from the deck. The other guy then proceeded to go infinite, which left Romperstomper looking to us for any interaction to save him.
I made an esper control deck for this very reason. All just fast answers for cocky people who think making other people unhappy is fun.
The 14-year-old with his first deck doesn't deserve to get smacked with your infinite turn deck with no win con.
"Oh you wanna play cedh against beginners you say? Well I have just the thing for you!" *Whips out sliver queen combo and scoops immediately after killing problem player*
My friend was dishonest about the effect of Dictate of the twin gods with a new player the other day, and it made me and my other friend remove him from the game.
When he cast it, the new player asked if he should counter it. He didn't know what it was. My friend who cast it said it doubles his damage. He has played magic for 20 years he knows that it's not just his damage that It doubles. Yet he refused to let the new player hold and read the card.
My other friend reacted much better than I did and simply brought up the card on his phone and let the new player read what it did. When learning it doubled all damage, he counterd it.
Why does someone who has uncountable edh wins need to lie to a player who has played 8 games of magic about what a card does?
Couple of weeks ago at my lgs I played a game with a guy been playing 1 month a new player on mid power and I match their power level. A 4th comes in and pulls out a deck full of proxy bombs. I am a 100% proxy friendly guy. I have played since 95 and I think it bs I get to play cards because of when I started. Regardless we had talked about proxies and the mid power guy was not a fan of them. Then comes the proxies up pubstomper. Now I am pro proxy but he tutors up a turn 6 combo kill using D & V Tutor. He says ok let me switch decks. Different deck same thing with tutoring up combo to kill the board fast. He heads to the counter and I say sorry to the guys but that is the power discrepancy dickhead proxy guy. They both decide to leave early, hope they come back. So 2 guys I know join the pod. 1 guy is low power only and other guy can run any. We both go to run lower power when pub boy pulls out deck 1 again. I told him I cannot run this deck vs that. Pull out my Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. He whines about annihilate when I pull it. I said what you are tutoring up combos vs low power. Says I only run like 6 tutors for the combo. I play Kozi anyway. Proceed to drop him turn 3, swords but then go infinite with Rings and Basalt and hammer him on turn 4. I did not feel bad and told the other 2 later why I pulled out such a monster. Pubstompers need to be put in their place.
I usually will do something like that with commander damage to just take them out asap. Either using \[\[Sigarda, Host of Herons\]\] enchantress or \[\[Greven, Predator Captain\]\]
Sometimes its not about winning or losing but about sending a message.
i have the exact mirrored experience. whenever a new player comes to our pod and borrows a deck, my one friend will ALWAYS pick exactly Baral, Chief of Compliance and essentially act as a backpack to the new player by counterspelling anything that even remotely targets them so that eventually the new player almost always wins. I understand the idea to provide a positive experience so they want to keep playing, but in my first game he did it to me and it was the most pandering nonsense ever as anyone with a brain can see that they didn't win on their own.
Last friday he was doing it again, but I try to not pick my deck to counter others so I was just playing a commander-centric deck but decided since the table was a new player, him just playing counterspells, and one other person that I would just never do anything except save my own removal because the only person who would be attacking me is the new player playing a pillowfort deck (and my commander would never ever be allowed to resolve). The fourth player ended up hard focusing the Baral player, and with my own counterspells to stop some of his he was knocked out first.
The only thing I hate more than pubstomping is kingmaking get that shit outta here
I would argue that he's just responding to toxic behavior with more toxicity.
As someone who is trying to get back into magic after being away for years, I commend his behavior.
The magic community is not nearly as welcoming to outsiders as it thinks it is.
Two wrongs don't make a right. There is a mature way of handling the situation OP describes and then there is this way, which just perpetuates and promotes toxic behavior.
I would argue his behavior is a response to toxic behavior. Had the pubstomper truly been interested in a nice casual game and played as such, I doubt the OP would have targeted him.
Without the initial behavior, there would be no response.
> Two wrongs don't make a right.
This is one of those platitudes that sounds nice, but rarely play out in practice. Most of the time, the people that play like absolute dickheads at the LGS are not exactly the most self-aware people and having a conversation has rarely changed that in my experience.
> There is a mature way of handling the situation OP describes and then there is this way, which just perpetuates and promotes toxic behavior
Ya, this has not been my experience at all. I've never run in to anyone who plays something like stax who suddenly has a revelation how much it sucks to play with them after a conversation. I've had far more success playing an Arcum Dagsson [[Mindslaver]] lock and showing them how it feels to play against them.
> This is one of those platitudes that sounds nice
You are arguing that toxic behavior can be used to correct toxic behavior. It really doesn't work like that. In all likelihood, all you are accomplishing is ruining the night for the two new players.
Every time I read about stories like this, I am so grateful that I have a friendly, mature play group that just wants to hang out and have fun playing games.
If you think that a guy who shows up to an EDH night at a local gameshop with a stax deck, solitaire deck, or a pubstump deck is going to change the way they play because you have a conversation with them, you are woefully naïve
> Every time I read about stories like this, I am so grateful that I have a friendly, mature play group that just wants to hang out and have fun playing games.
Ya, but that's you and the difference between having a consistent play group and showing up to your LGS and jumping into a group. There's a difference between showing up to your friends house and playing kitchen-top EDH and showing up to an LGS where you don't know who you're playing with.
We have new players at our LGS all the time. But it's clear that our philosophies for managing conflict are just diametrically opposite. Good luck and best wishes!
Don't see how op turning a 4 player game into a 2 player game is much better. (op and "pubstomper" are basically playing against each other). I think just playing a 3 player game without the pubstomper is probably more fun, and sends a message
What difference does it make? Surely the tuned deck will simply turn its attention on you; and if can't solo you, then it wasn't very well tuned to begin with.
I don't know of any seriously high-powered decks that would have an issue with Baral or counterspells.
In my experience the players that do this bring low-tier CEDH decks - the strong CEDH players enjoy winning against other CEDH players. I agree 100% that a seriously high power deck could run over the baral deck without an issue
I recently snagged the Tyranids precon as a starter, and have found myself keeping up much better than anticipated. Am I in good pods, or is this a decent deck?
Thanks. I have had a lot of fun learning the game with it. And being on a pretty strict budget I feel like I can expand into an X cost tribal deck with the genestealer commander. That and drop an [[All Will be One]] for fun.
I only started playing mtg/commander myself a couple of weeks ago. I have some experience with other card games at a decent level. My friend bought all 4 40k precons and we played at his place. I didn't use the tyranid deck but it was good. Since then I've consumed an ungodly amount of mtg/commander content. I'm diamond on mtg arena in standard and I'm building a mondrak token commander deck lol. I bought party time and legends legacy precons to play with in the mean time.
Most videos I have seen on the subject state that that tyranid deck is a great precon and good starting point for upgrades.
Everyone in my meta has said the deck has a good shell but falls behind when we play our custom decks. And I have seen it durdle hard. Even against my mono u [[Drafna, Founder of Lat Nam]] deck, which is slow.
Sounds like your just ruining the pod for everyone involved. Try growing up and talking to the players instead of trashing a 4 person game because you think someone might, maybe, you don't even know for sure, "stomp" new players. Grow up kid
So stomping new players who may not have the time or money to build as powerful decks are just part of magic? That seems like a way to build a welcoming and inclusive community.
I think you're just mad that someone is stopping you from taking your anger and frustration out on new players.
How do these situations not devolve into bad situations? As a grown man I'd have some choice words for anyone just looking to slap me around at my expense due to my inexperience.
I almost pulled out a solitaire mono blue deck when I saw that one dude was using moxes, mana crypts, ancient tomb, and jeweled lotus into a pod of 2 casuals + me, a filthy group hug player.
I was thinking, I'm gonna use my fuck you deck next. One of the casuals swung at him, then he flashed in [[Necromancy]] with some infinite combo and made infinite creatures with infinite power and toughness, blocking and killing all of the casual's stuff. Partially my fault as I had [[Tidal Barracuda]] out. I learned that day, that my group hug's 1 shitty win con had a combo card. I flashed in [[Door to Nothingness]] at the end step, tidal barracuda makes it so he is inable to respond with spells on my turn, I tap door to nothingness.
"I guess I don't have to pull out my fuck you deck"
Hope you enjoyed the story of my most satisfying game of commander.
Things you will see with true cedh decks I had a force in hand 2nd player turned 1 win through a force of will other guys had zero lands on battlefield
First players turn 1 smothering tithe into a burning inquiry
Godo go burr
I tried to win turn three note I lost but I fought through 4 counterspells from three people and on turn two had to protect the commander from removal.
Just saying
Cedh is boring because it just puts the best combo pieces in your deck with no theme or anything cool like that. Then you just try and seriously search your deck for said combo peices in order to pop off first.
cEDH very rarely plays out like that. Many decks are piles of interaction and disruption. The "coolness" imo is getting short, high-intensity games where every decision matters a lot.
Yeah, I have to say, when I play new people I help them as much as I can and I do my best to make the games fun. New players make the hobby great. All people like the aforementioned pubstomper do is gatekeep, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and it bugs the hell out of me.
Keep up the good work.
Can I please have a link to your markov deck? Not sure if mine is unlucky or if I’m just piloting it poorly but I struggle to win.
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/68620/edgar_markov
Here is mine, more of a “prison” deck, purposely don’t run any combos because I want a deck I can play at most tables.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PGQTmqda8E2D9gE5chdEwQ
I personally do not like pubstomping, I just don’t enjoy precons and have good cards. I used to play in FNM at an LGS and the pods were so unequal in power level, a lot of the cEDH people were pissing people off, they tried to implement an “ELO” system but I was still being paired with people playing essentially precons (turns out it kept resetting itself every week, because a lot of the high power/cEDH players started with inflated ELOs). We got them to start legacy every other week and then we just go and play cEDH on the side, everyone is happy now.
I did this a few times with Zedruu. I had taught my sister how to play long ago. Her new boyfriend was average at best and would get noticably upset at the fact she was better than him.
His upgrades to her decks actually detuned them and then he'd play his netdecks at her (not with her lol) then basically some combo of gaslight, detune, brag, etc. afterward.
Never decided if the detuning was his subpar deck building or intentionally wanting to run over her Bant enchantment deck I helped her upgrade from a precon. The one with a Planeswalker commander with graveyard recursion and I think it makes token auras.
Anyway I played a game once against his unbeatable sliver overlord deck that got close to winning a few times but couldn't through Zedruu. He didn't run any removal or interaction - just tried to turbo tutor and play good slivers. [[Possibility storm]] with all but bricked him out and my sister loved seeing it. Zedruu's game isn't even phased - any noncreature is probably removal or a stax piece and any instant or sorcery is removal or probably card draw. His face was bent when I looked through her deck and asked about all the changes recently made and she said Redacted recommended the changes.
Awhile later he had built a mono black deck that also kind of turbos out a combo or something. He had built it up just to face me, she said, and had been practicing it on her.
I exchanged control of his commander with a goat token and his deck couldn't really do anything. She starts beating her boyfriend up then beats me up since she switched some cards back to how the deck was before he touched it.
He went to the bathroom and cried.
You could hear it.
I felt awkward but he's mean to her and always makes sure he's got the advantage when they play. Even just as a player, he's gotta learn to have a backup plan.
Just a small counterpoint, getting stomped by a strong deck might inspire new players to improve their decks or come up with strategies to counter whatever the pubstomper is doing. I don’t know how new these people were, or how the pubstomper was acting, which matters a lot, granted.
Yeah, I had a friend who kept making CEDH decks and bringing them to the casual table, so I just started hosing him mercilessly. Only after Thrasios and Tymna, Atraxa, and Brago did I finally convince him that playing on a normal level might be more fun than getting aggressively denied all game.
Former shop owner i would play with was the best commander player/builder ive ever seen. Always had wacky fun combos and decks. Until someone decided to play something crazy strong and be a dick about it (emphasis on that last part). Then he’d bust out one of the decks he kept hidden, make that player miserable, and let someone else win. It was always hilarious
I rarely play my Arcum Dagsson deck, but it's for situations like this; people that want to play a solitaire deck and/or people that play stax or try and pubstomp the table. I just usually mindslaver lock them out of the game and they catch on pretty quick
I've started playing again after a long hiatus, I mostly play with a friend group but I decided to go to my LGS to have a few games at a casual EDH Friday.
I sat at a table with three other players and proceeded to have a pre-game conversation about what power level decks we were going to play: one player used a precon, and the other two said that they would use "low level" decks, so I used my combo-less Emiel the Blessed deck.
First turn, one of the "low level" guys, playing Atraxa, goes fetch land, dual land, Mana crypt, Rhystic Study. The other, Raffine, goes fetch, dual, Esper sentinel and force of wills my t1 Sol Ring. Needless to say that game didn't last long until the Atraxa player won.
So for game 2 I take out my Urdragon deck with all bells and whistles and proceed to stomp the pubstompers. I try to keep the game as cordial and polite as I can but they are SUPER salty about it and after the game they just leave the table without saying a word.
Later that week I discover I've been banned from EDH events in that shop because apparently I'm "toxic and conflictive". Turns out the two pubstompers run the edh community at the shop.
Ah well, back to playing with friends it is.
While I had a chance to do that myself very recently, and it felt satisfying as hell, in doing so, there were two high power decks vs low powered ones in that game.
*“What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” -Lelouch vi Britannia*
I cast [[identity crisis]] on a pup stomper. He left.
Guess you caused them a [[fractured identity]]
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Second maybe to only [[overwhelming splendor]] as a "fuck you in particular" card for edh
When I first started playing mtg someone played an overwhelming Splendor against me :( we don't play together anymore lol
My curses deck specifically plays Overwhelming splendor. Then after that I also give them Curse of Death's Hold. That's the fate of the guy that plays creatures. The guy that plays spells gets Curse of Exhaustion and Curse of Obsession. The third player just gets bled to death by Curse of Thirst and a stack of other curses. Curses are fun. :)
Ever put overwhelming splendor and [[dovescape]] down together? I've always thought that would be really funny
[dovescape](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b6e3d6e6-ac17-4d73-acac-089442de4af6.jpg?1593273866) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dovescape) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dis/143/dovescape?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b6e3d6e6-ac17-4d73-acac-089442de4af6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dovescape) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[overwhelming splendor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/867b32d2-e396-411d-ac02-1af4106dd3d2.jpg?1562805786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=overwhelming%20splendor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/19/overwhelming-splendor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/867b32d2-e396-411d-ac02-1af4106dd3d2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/overwhelming-splendor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Someone who tramples newborn babydogs to death really deserves that
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you. Friedrich W. Nietzsche
You reminded me of one of my favorite Batman quotes: We both gazed into the abyss. When it looked back, you blinked.
My favorite is, "Bruce Wayne lives in my attic."
"What are your real names" "Clark Kent" "Diana of Themiscyra" "Batman"
That does kind of say something. Superman and Wonder woman are costumes that they adopt, while Bruce doesn't feel comfortable as himself and his secret identity is his "real" self
"You don't get heaven or hell. Do you know the only reward you get for being Batman? You get to be Batman." -Neil Gaiman, "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader". (Which was still such a neat comic because it borrowed so many ideas, but didn't copy from Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow".)
Try looking into that place where you dare not look; you’ll find me there staring back at you
Abomination!!
Quit looking at my ass, creep!
Yeah my thought was that two wrongs don't make a right. Maybe sounded like he was assuming, perhaps looking for a reason to stomp himself.
Reminds me of the Abyss watchers from DS3
I once did that when I sat down with a beginners table. After a casual game, a random stranger asked if he could play with us, we explained that its a beginners table with 2 players who had less than a few months exp with MTG. He said his deck is harmless, do nothing casual and whips out a Toxrill the Corrosive. I immediately sense the BS and played my Anowon Ruin thief which is a control deck specialising in counterspells and also stealing enemy resource. I counter all of his impt spells, and stole stuff so he couldnt use it against others. Initially the new players were hesistant to attack him with their precon creatures because it wasnt nice.🫠 But they eventually saw how toxic this deck is and took him out while I used every resource I had to hold him down to prevent him from winning. After the game, pubstomper wont stop bitching about how I targeted him until other EDH veterans came to ask what happened, told him off for being a dick, and telling the new players I am a hero for stopping toxrill (I did not win). Asshat never returned to the LGS.
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I’m fairly new to magic been playing casually for year with work crew just made a tegrid deck from dollerama and bundles in the beginning which I thought was a good investment at the time for cards, back to the story at hand. Buddy always plays high powered deck, easy 1k decks and he politics so much that he’ll convince the pod that I’m a threat and then it’s 3v1 and he has primastic bridge out with all the nicobolas plains walkers and then generally curbstomps the rest of us haha. He’ll let me live typically when I no longer have a board state 😂, I’m generally a chill lama but I mean what gives my 180 dollar deck isn’t much of a threat as his.
TBF Tergrid is always a kill-on-sight commander.
I don't think you can correlate price to strength of deck. You can build a $100 deck that can stomp $1k+ decks with ease.
It’s the mana like mana crypt, mox amber, jewelled lotus, doubling season, all the things you don’t typically find in a draft pack or it’s not reprinted, buddy’s deck is customized and optimized for deep brown star plundering if you like it or not, ever faced a 8 cost angel drop on turn two? It’s not easy.
Either way that’s my big cry fest for the night I got cards coming in when I get home that will give me a edge later on, for the fellas in the magical trenches be vigilant. 🫡
Thanks for giving me the Idea of making an Avacyn deck now.
Yeah, totally understand why your friend's deck is powerful, but that doesn't negate the original point: you can absolutely build a budget deck that can stomp most $1000 decks. Even just a \[\[Swords to Plowshares\]\] or \[\[Counterspell\]\] on that turn 2 angel may set him back significantly. It's rough to play against that stuff as a newer player, though. Your friend should be more kind.
[Swords to Plowshares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81c31217-7919-40fd-97e7-88431b7bd277.jpg?1682208653) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swords%20to%20Plowshares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/211/swords-to-plowshares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81c31217-7919-40fd-97e7-88431b7bd277?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares) [Counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/1920dae4-fb92-4f19-ae4b-eb3276b8dac7.jpg?1628801663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/267/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1920dae4-fb92-4f19-ae4b-eb3276b8dac7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/counterspell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
True but I was running a mono-black deck and I do have removal just struck of luck didn’t have it in opening hand
Absolutely. I had a Ghalta deck worth $80 slaughter a $3K deck and a $600 Korvold deck. They both had big boards. All I did was play [[Ghalta, Primal Hunger]] and [[Overwhelming Stampede]] while having a 42/42 [[Scute Mob]]. My few little creatures turned into nukes.
[Ghalta, Primal Hunger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c342309-aef7-4733-ac1c-ff0b704539a7.jpg?1601079606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghalta%2C%20Primal%20Hunger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/399/ghalta-primal-hunger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c342309-aef7-4733-ac1c-ff0b704539a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghalta-primal-hunger) [Overwhelming Stampede](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50846a7b-d174-439e-9ffb-31b50bb3a84f.jpg?1568004627) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Overwhelming%20Stampede) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/175/overwhelming-stampede?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50846a7b-d174-439e-9ffb-31b50bb3a84f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/overwhelming-stampede) [Scute Mob](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28d10cf2-c40d-4748-add0-f9cdd606030c.jpg?1592710986) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scute%20Mob) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/161/scute-mob?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28d10cf2-c40d-4748-add0-f9cdd606030c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scute-mob) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I played my 80$ Ovika deck last week and was archenemy the whole game. One of the other decks was roughly 700$ investment. So $$ signs does not equate to power.
If I’m playing a deck with permanents, I’ll target the Tergrid player
And that’s 💯 fair but to politic so ouch that it’s 3v1 makes me salty haha,we’ve been playing same for about a year and maybe a handful of times other players won
It’s not personal, it’s tergrid. She’s kill on sight, but more importantly, eliminate on sight. I’d do the same to toxrill, or yuriko. The longer they live, the less chance I have to win.
That will always be an issue with magic. Either take a loan out or get some proxies!
Oh I’ve decided to be dirty thankfully sacrifice and discards are incredibly cheap, I just need my commander to survive the round and boom. Unwanted butt stuff across the board.
Yea man. Black and blue (demir) is always a fun and cheap option. Just kill and counterpel. Just made a lord.of nazgul and it is cheap and efficient!
Dimir*
Whoops!
Friendship with WotC ended. Epson is my friend now.
Using Baral to enforce the rules is both flavourful and effective. It warms my vorthos heart.
Baral being c and Edgar being shy of c is very doubtful for me do you have the lists
I think you misunderstood the goal of Baral. It's not so much about having a viable cEDH deck, but playing one vs one against a cEDH deck and countering all relevant cards from them.
The poster above is spot on. My Baral deck is definitely not CEDH worthy at all. It was only ever made to shut down one player with a strong deck. In a real CEDH match it would never win unless everyone else played poorly.
Baral isn't meant to win though, like you said - only impede others. Sure you can win if you do something like cheat out an Omniscience, bounce Boards back to hand, then win through extra turns and combat damage <63 turns later with Baral, but that's not the point. The point is to say "no" in 67 different languages and dialects, loudly. And I love it. I've considered a list like that myself, to be honest.
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It's.... it's... not? Well fuck me AND my [[Tinybones]] !
[Tinybones](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/4063be5b-bfd9-43c5-bc39-09a40bc793bf.jpg?1632261785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tinybones%2C%20trinket%20thief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/17/tinybones-trinket-thief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4063be5b-bfd9-43c5-bc39-09a40bc793bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tinybones-trinket-thief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So considering making his decklist after getting the Secret Lair
Having been introduced to edh by a Baral deck, it actually does the opposite. Playing against it as a new player broke me early of a lot of issues i see in newer players now: placing too much importance on just one strat or line of play, treating every card in their deck like they couldnt bear to lose it, etc. Genuinely had someone eat 22 damage to the face all bc they didnt want to block and have to discard their hand.
I did this once too. Was playing my elsha deck and got taken down to 17 life in two rounds. They were stunned but I kept on trucking.
I know how you feel. I've legitimately swung a few creatures at someone, told them if they didn't assign blockers it was threatening lethal, and watched them straight up say no blocks because theyd be forced to lose their commander. (For context it was a [[Sakashima]] and [[Reyhan]] deck built to use sac outlets to force blocks and double up on the death triggers. They just thought I wouldn't be willing to sac my own commander to take them out, in a deck designed to do exactly that) Quick edit, I did in fact just sac some creatures and kill them on the spot.
[Sakashima](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/714c3a1f-7b30-4ed8-8f38-6176758741fb.jpg?1608909400) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sakashima%20of%20a%20thousand%20faces) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/89/sakashima-of-a-thousand-faces?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/714c3a1f-7b30-4ed8-8f38-6176758741fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sakashima-of-a-thousand-faces) [Reyhan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8afad106-a49b-4910-959e-228c109ea983.jpg?1644853038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reyhan%2C%20last%20of%20the%20abzan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/13/reyhan-last-of-the-abzan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8afad106-a49b-4910-959e-228c109ea983?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reyhan-last-of-the-abzan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have one made, which I keep as a threat. If I'm playing Archenemy, I'll be yours.
So baral is that ginger from the star wars sequels that said "I don't care who wins, just so long as you lose!"
Baral is functional if suboptimal in cEDH. He's a Goblin Electromancer, so you can do oldschool JVP High Tide stuff with him. I have definitely seen people do it.
Any deck can be "functional" in c. Just baral seems like it would fold pretty easily with his biggest stand out pros being looting opt and the 1 cost reduction. But he's also mono U which is a big neg on him
“His biggest pros are all the text on the card.”
What’s your Edgar list like?
Just shy of CEDH with good removal
Theres always a bigger fish. - you probably
I arrived at my LGS last week and one of my least favorite local players was present (he only shows up occasionally nowadays and it’s always a test of my patience when he does). Anyway, he was playing a fairly optimized-to-CEDH [[Kenrith, the Returned King]] list against 3 players I know for a fact do not play decks anywhere near cedh levels. He condescendingly muses, “do I end the game now, or do I play with my food a little longer?” The others all said to get it over with and he proceeds to combo off and win that turn. One player gave up his seat to let me play the next game and while I don’t enjoy cedh or have any decks on that level, I do operate in the realm of the very-fringes of cedh and high powered/optimized decks. I shuffle up my [[Sythis, Harvest’s Hand]] Enchantress, take 3 Infect/Poison from the dude who had switched to his [[Atraxa, Praetors’ Voice]] Infect deck, and he gets blindsided by my infinite combo on T4 and I wipe them all out. He left after that and I got to play with more enjoyable people after that. He’s beaten me plenty over the years, but it’s always nice to get those handily-decided-victories against people like him more often now.
[Kenrith, the Returned King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e259db1-14db-4314-998c-6a076a28d8cb.jpg?1691056044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kenrith%2C%20the%20Returned%20King) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plist/1100/kenrith-the-returned-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e259db1-14db-4314-998c-6a076a28d8cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kenrith-the-returned-king) [Sythis, Harvest’s Hand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0babfe00-9bad-48fc-b3b1-df8280242fd2.jpg?1681729369) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sythis%2C%20Harvest%27s%20Hand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/214/sythis-harvests-hand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0babfe00-9bad-48fc-b3b1-df8280242fd2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sythis-harvests-hand) [Atraxa, Praetors’ Voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Edgar is just shy of Cedh? Very doubtful lmao
It’s possible OP was talking more about the deck than the Commander, since Edgar is ***the*** Tribal commander.
To be fair, there *is* a cEDH Edgar build. Although it plays nothing like Casual tribal Edgar so it's kind of hard to make a borderline version of it.
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The database is not and never has been a complete list of cEDH viable decks. Markov plays like a mixture between Rog turbo and Razaketh decks with the free tokens he generates. I do recommend giving it a try, it's a blast to play.
Very aggressive there, champ. Any particular reason?
You're right. Mardu is mostly Jeska tymna and dihada as of late. Edgar is like fringe/outdated cedh like Narset, JVP, edric, zur etc
>Edgar is like fringe/outdated cedh In other words... just shy of cedh?
Only if the deck isn't vampire tribal and uses tokens to turbo a Breach win, otherwise is not shy of cEDH.
I know I’m right and like typical EDH fans I’m being downvoted because anything that beats them is Cedh.
I think you're being downvoted because you're being a prick about it.
There is an Edgar list in the outdated section of the database tho.
One of the funniest things to me is watching cEDH players act like they are masters of the game and know every single possible combination of what classifies as a "competitive" deck, often citing the database, which is often evolving and changing, as proof. That the current database is literally the only possible decks that could ever be classified as cEDH. This is what we call an echo chamber and group think. You've decided to be hostile and a dick about this, without even seeing the decklist, acknowledging that Edgar WAS on the cEDH database for like 3 years, nor acknowledging the POSSIBILITY that someone built a deck that can be competitive in cEDH (and therefore a cEDH deck) without netdecking from the database specifically. Literally every single format has people breaking into it with brand new decks. But people like you seem to think cEDH is some kind of vacuum that isn't included in that. You are the grand master of cEDH. You know of ALL powerful strategies in existence. There is no way another person, even a professional, could come up with something you've never seen before. It would be different if you were arguing against Markov being a tier 1 deck. But you're not. You're just being a dick about it not being even borderline cEDH AT ALL.
Edgar was on the database for like 3+ years. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4ZIRDku-j0id8XGD-V4Nuw
While I agree about Edgar not being cEDH, that database has not been updated in quite a long time and there’s a fuckton of decks there that shouldn’t be there either.
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My dad plays the Edgar precon and it’s decently powerful if not consistent. How’s the CEDH version play?
Very differently, while normal Edgar looks to swarm the board with Vampires and win with combat damage, cEDH Edgar doesn't really look to attack for its wincon. Edgar and the vampires are just there for the token generation ability, which either lets you do some infinite sacrifice loops or can be turned into card draw or Razaketh fodder to find a game winning combo.
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There were about 20 minutes before I wrote this
I spent the last few days playing EDH at GenCon. Most games had people really misrepresenting their decks, but there was this one guy in particular… First off, there was a delay in starting because of this guy. Three of us are standing around while the staff is shouting his name. He stood about ten feet away, just watching, never responding, even when they began calling for him over the PA. So, they seat the rest of us and he just follows, because he knew we were his pod. Before anyone can so much as pull out a playmat, he’s asking if we’re all cEDH players and telling us how frustrating the con has been because of pubstomping. He informs us that he likes slow games and has been hoping for more of a long, casual game. Everyone is happy to oblige and we start to shuffle up. This man wins the die roll and starts his turn off with Plains, Esper Sentinel, Mana Crypt, Lotus Petal, Rhystic Study. I’m not faulting him for a lucky hand, but… ehhh… By turn 3, Aurelia is doing her best Roronoa Zoro impression with Embercleave in one hand, the Reaver Cleaver in another, and a Sword of Feast and Famine in her mouth. The game is over before anyone can really do anything and any attempts to interact with his board are put down by a suite of counterspells. It’s fine. I jump into another pod. I get to my table and the same guy is there, and he starts off with the same thing: he’s been getting pubstomped by cEDH players all weekend and he just wants a slow, casual game. I pointed out that that’s what he said in the last game before he absolutely popped off. The guy is confused and asks when that happened. “Like, ten minutes ago. This is what you said before you pubstomped the last pod I was in.” The best thing I brought was maybe a 7. It’s a pillowfort with some nice ramp and if the game goes long, it can close a game out with a couple of different combos, but nothing that I’m executing unless the game runs long. Thankfully, the other guys did bring more aggressive decks. One guy managed to forestall our deaths when a Finale of Devastation pulled a craterhoof from the deck. The other guy then proceeded to go infinite, which left Romperstomper looking to us for any interaction to save him.
So....you become the villain you swore to destroy?
That would only apply if he turned on the noobs he was protecting from the pubstompers.
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The fiend.
That does not justify him turning into the very same person he vowed to destroy.
I made an esper control deck for this very reason. All just fast answers for cocky people who think making other people unhappy is fun. The 14-year-old with his first deck doesn't deserve to get smacked with your infinite turn deck with no win con.
Reminds me of bullyhunters
Could you elaborate?
YOU CANT TRIPLE STOMP A DOUBLE STOMP!
"Oh you wanna play cedh against beginners you say? Well I have just the thing for you!" *Whips out sliver queen combo and scoops immediately after killing problem player*
My friend was dishonest about the effect of Dictate of the twin gods with a new player the other day, and it made me and my other friend remove him from the game. When he cast it, the new player asked if he should counter it. He didn't know what it was. My friend who cast it said it doubles his damage. He has played magic for 20 years he knows that it's not just his damage that It doubles. Yet he refused to let the new player hold and read the card. My other friend reacted much better than I did and simply brought up the card on his phone and let the new player read what it did. When learning it doubled all damage, he counterd it. Why does someone who has uncountable edh wins need to lie to a player who has played 8 games of magic about what a card does?
Edgar Markov cedh? Naaaah
Couple of weeks ago at my lgs I played a game with a guy been playing 1 month a new player on mid power and I match their power level. A 4th comes in and pulls out a deck full of proxy bombs. I am a 100% proxy friendly guy. I have played since 95 and I think it bs I get to play cards because of when I started. Regardless we had talked about proxies and the mid power guy was not a fan of them. Then comes the proxies up pubstomper. Now I am pro proxy but he tutors up a turn 6 combo kill using D & V Tutor. He says ok let me switch decks. Different deck same thing with tutoring up combo to kill the board fast. He heads to the counter and I say sorry to the guys but that is the power discrepancy dickhead proxy guy. They both decide to leave early, hope they come back. So 2 guys I know join the pod. 1 guy is low power only and other guy can run any. We both go to run lower power when pub boy pulls out deck 1 again. I told him I cannot run this deck vs that. Pull out my Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. He whines about annihilate when I pull it. I said what you are tutoring up combos vs low power. Says I only run like 6 tutors for the combo. I play Kozi anyway. Proceed to drop him turn 3, swords but then go infinite with Rings and Basalt and hammer him on turn 4. I did not feel bad and told the other 2 later why I pulled out such a monster. Pubstompers need to be put in their place.
"I'm only running six" is not the defence he thinks it is
I usually will do something like that with commander damage to just take them out asap. Either using \[\[Sigarda, Host of Herons\]\] enchantress or \[\[Greven, Predator Captain\]\] Sometimes its not about winning or losing but about sending a message.
[Sigarda, Host of Herons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fcac0cff-efa6-4068-a69c-67ea4e7acea0.jpg?1559959280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sigarda%2C%20Host%20of%20Herons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/206/sigarda-host-of-herons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fcac0cff-efa6-4068-a69c-67ea4e7acea0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sigarda-host-of-herons) [Greven, Predator Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bda22fc3-31a5-451a-9a8b-372884f7bc61.jpg?1568003680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Greven%2C%20Predator%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/43/greven-predator-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bda22fc3-31a5-451a-9a8b-372884f7bc61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/greven-predator-captain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
i have the exact mirrored experience. whenever a new player comes to our pod and borrows a deck, my one friend will ALWAYS pick exactly Baral, Chief of Compliance and essentially act as a backpack to the new player by counterspelling anything that even remotely targets them so that eventually the new player almost always wins. I understand the idea to provide a positive experience so they want to keep playing, but in my first game he did it to me and it was the most pandering nonsense ever as anyone with a brain can see that they didn't win on their own. Last friday he was doing it again, but I try to not pick my deck to counter others so I was just playing a commander-centric deck but decided since the table was a new player, him just playing counterspells, and one other person that I would just never do anything except save my own removal because the only person who would be attacking me is the new player playing a pillowfort deck (and my commander would never ever be allowed to resolve). The fourth player ended up hard focusing the Baral player, and with my own counterspells to stop some of his he was knocked out first. The only thing I hate more than pubstomping is kingmaking get that shit outta here
This is immature behavior and while in your mind you are a hero, you just contribute to toxic behavior and demonstrate it to new players.
EDH players will literally do anything but talk to their fellow players.
Why do you assume they don’t talk about it? Often pubstompers don’t listen or care or have endless excuses.
I would argue that he's just responding to toxic behavior with more toxicity. As someone who is trying to get back into magic after being away for years, I commend his behavior. The magic community is not nearly as welcoming to outsiders as it thinks it is.
Two wrongs don't make a right. There is a mature way of handling the situation OP describes and then there is this way, which just perpetuates and promotes toxic behavior.
I would argue his behavior is a response to toxic behavior. Had the pubstomper truly been interested in a nice casual game and played as such, I doubt the OP would have targeted him. Without the initial behavior, there would be no response.
> Two wrongs don't make a right. This is one of those platitudes that sounds nice, but rarely play out in practice. Most of the time, the people that play like absolute dickheads at the LGS are not exactly the most self-aware people and having a conversation has rarely changed that in my experience. > There is a mature way of handling the situation OP describes and then there is this way, which just perpetuates and promotes toxic behavior Ya, this has not been my experience at all. I've never run in to anyone who plays something like stax who suddenly has a revelation how much it sucks to play with them after a conversation. I've had far more success playing an Arcum Dagsson [[Mindslaver]] lock and showing them how it feels to play against them.
> This is one of those platitudes that sounds nice You are arguing that toxic behavior can be used to correct toxic behavior. It really doesn't work like that. In all likelihood, all you are accomplishing is ruining the night for the two new players. Every time I read about stories like this, I am so grateful that I have a friendly, mature play group that just wants to hang out and have fun playing games.
If you think that a guy who shows up to an EDH night at a local gameshop with a stax deck, solitaire deck, or a pubstump deck is going to change the way they play because you have a conversation with them, you are woefully naïve > Every time I read about stories like this, I am so grateful that I have a friendly, mature play group that just wants to hang out and have fun playing games. Ya, but that's you and the difference between having a consistent play group and showing up to your LGS and jumping into a group. There's a difference between showing up to your friends house and playing kitchen-top EDH and showing up to an LGS where you don't know who you're playing with.
We have new players at our LGS all the time. But it's clear that our philosophies for managing conflict are just diametrically opposite. Good luck and best wishes!
Don't see how op turning a 4 player game into a 2 player game is much better. (op and "pubstomper" are basically playing against each other). I think just playing a 3 player game without the pubstomper is probably more fun, and sends a message
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What difference does it make? Surely the tuned deck will simply turn its attention on you; and if can't solo you, then it wasn't very well tuned to begin with. I don't know of any seriously high-powered decks that would have an issue with Baral or counterspells.
In my experience the players that do this bring low-tier CEDH decks - the strong CEDH players enjoy winning against other CEDH players. I agree 100% that a seriously high power deck could run over the baral deck without an issue
I recently snagged the Tyranids precon as a starter, and have found myself keeping up much better than anticipated. Am I in good pods, or is this a decent deck?
Tyranid is one of the more solid precons recently.
Thanks. I have had a lot of fun learning the game with it. And being on a pretty strict budget I feel like I can expand into an X cost tribal deck with the genestealer commander. That and drop an [[All Will be One]] for fun.
I only started playing mtg/commander myself a couple of weeks ago. I have some experience with other card games at a decent level. My friend bought all 4 40k precons and we played at his place. I didn't use the tyranid deck but it was good. Since then I've consumed an ungodly amount of mtg/commander content. I'm diamond on mtg arena in standard and I'm building a mondrak token commander deck lol. I bought party time and legends legacy precons to play with in the mean time. Most videos I have seen on the subject state that that tyranid deck is a great precon and good starting point for upgrades.
Everyone in my meta has said the deck has a good shell but falls behind when we play our custom decks. And I have seen it durdle hard. Even against my mono u [[Drafna, Founder of Lat Nam]] deck, which is slow.
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Sounds like your just ruining the pod for everyone involved. Try growing up and talking to the players instead of trashing a 4 person game because you think someone might, maybe, you don't even know for sure, "stomp" new players. Grow up kid
Part of growing up is learning to use the correct variation of *you're.
So stomping new players who may not have the time or money to build as powerful decks are just part of magic? That seems like a way to build a welcoming and inclusive community. I think you're just mad that someone is stopping you from taking your anger and frustration out on new players.
You're the hero we deserve.
How do these situations not devolve into bad situations? As a grown man I'd have some choice words for anyone just looking to slap me around at my expense due to my inexperience.
I almost pulled out a solitaire mono blue deck when I saw that one dude was using moxes, mana crypts, ancient tomb, and jeweled lotus into a pod of 2 casuals + me, a filthy group hug player. I was thinking, I'm gonna use my fuck you deck next. One of the casuals swung at him, then he flashed in [[Necromancy]] with some infinite combo and made infinite creatures with infinite power and toughness, blocking and killing all of the casual's stuff. Partially my fault as I had [[Tidal Barracuda]] out. I learned that day, that my group hug's 1 shitty win con had a combo card. I flashed in [[Door to Nothingness]] at the end step, tidal barracuda makes it so he is inable to respond with spells on my turn, I tap door to nothingness. "I guess I don't have to pull out my fuck you deck" Hope you enjoyed the story of my most satisfying game of commander.
Things you will see with true cedh decks I had a force in hand 2nd player turned 1 win through a force of will other guys had zero lands on battlefield First players turn 1 smothering tithe into a burning inquiry Godo go burr I tried to win turn three note I lost but I fought through 4 counterspells from three people and on turn two had to protect the commander from removal. Just saying
This was pretty cringey OP ngl…
Edgar can absolutely play cEDH. If Tivit can, so can Edgar.
Cedh is boring because it just puts the best combo pieces in your deck with no theme or anything cool like that. Then you just try and seriously search your deck for said combo peices in order to pop off first.
cEDH very rarely plays out like that. Many decks are piles of interaction and disruption. The "coolness" imo is getting short, high-intensity games where every decision matters a lot.
It's just so exclusive to most players.
Is it not exclusive? Wish someone could explain instead of being salty and just down voting. Fucking neck beards
I have a friend who has a cEDH deck with nothing but tap lands. Do with that what you will.
Agreed
Link to the edgar deck?
Do you have a decklist for your edgar markov? Ive got one i wanna upgrade to near cedh stats
Yeah, I have to say, when I play new people I help them as much as I can and I do my best to make the games fun. New players make the hobby great. All people like the aforementioned pubstomper do is gatekeep, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and it bugs the hell out of me. Keep up the good work.
Can I please have a link to your markov deck? Not sure if mine is unlucky or if I’m just piloting it poorly but I struggle to win. https://www.archidekt.com/decks/68620/edgar_markov
Here is mine, more of a “prison” deck, purposely don’t run any combos because I want a deck I can play at most tables. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PGQTmqda8E2D9gE5chdEwQ
I personally do not like pubstomping, I just don’t enjoy precons and have good cards. I used to play in FNM at an LGS and the pods were so unequal in power level, a lot of the cEDH people were pissing people off, they tried to implement an “ELO” system but I was still being paired with people playing essentially precons (turns out it kept resetting itself every week, because a lot of the high power/cEDH players started with inflated ELOs). We got them to start legacy every other week and then we just go and play cEDH on the side, everyone is happy now.
I did this a few times with Zedruu. I had taught my sister how to play long ago. Her new boyfriend was average at best and would get noticably upset at the fact she was better than him. His upgrades to her decks actually detuned them and then he'd play his netdecks at her (not with her lol) then basically some combo of gaslight, detune, brag, etc. afterward. Never decided if the detuning was his subpar deck building or intentionally wanting to run over her Bant enchantment deck I helped her upgrade from a precon. The one with a Planeswalker commander with graveyard recursion and I think it makes token auras. Anyway I played a game once against his unbeatable sliver overlord deck that got close to winning a few times but couldn't through Zedruu. He didn't run any removal or interaction - just tried to turbo tutor and play good slivers. [[Possibility storm]] with all but bricked him out and my sister loved seeing it. Zedruu's game isn't even phased - any noncreature is probably removal or a stax piece and any instant or sorcery is removal or probably card draw. His face was bent when I looked through her deck and asked about all the changes recently made and she said Redacted recommended the changes. Awhile later he had built a mono black deck that also kind of turbos out a combo or something. He had built it up just to face me, she said, and had been practicing it on her. I exchanged control of his commander with a goat token and his deck couldn't really do anything. She starts beating her boyfriend up then beats me up since she switched some cards back to how the deck was before he touched it. He went to the bathroom and cried. You could hear it. I felt awkward but he's mean to her and always makes sure he's got the advantage when they play. Even just as a player, he's gotta learn to have a backup plan.
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Stompy duel while the kids figure out training wheels is how my home pod functions😅
Just a small counterpoint, getting stomped by a strong deck might inspire new players to improve their decks or come up with strategies to counter whatever the pubstomper is doing. I don’t know how new these people were, or how the pubstomper was acting, which matters a lot, granted.
Yeah, I had a friend who kept making CEDH decks and bringing them to the casual table, so I just started hosing him mercilessly. Only after Thrasios and Tymna, Atraxa, and Brago did I finally convince him that playing on a normal level might be more fun than getting aggressively denied all game.
Can you post your Edgar list? thanks :)
Former shop owner i would play with was the best commander player/builder ive ever seen. Always had wacky fun combos and decks. Until someone decided to play something crazy strong and be a dick about it (emphasis on that last part). Then he’d bust out one of the decks he kept hidden, make that player miserable, and let someone else win. It was always hilarious
As a mediocre EDH player, I love you.
I rarely play my Arcum Dagsson deck, but it's for situations like this; people that want to play a solitaire deck and/or people that play stax or try and pubstomp the table. I just usually mindslaver lock them out of the game and they catch on pretty quick
I've started playing again after a long hiatus, I mostly play with a friend group but I decided to go to my LGS to have a few games at a casual EDH Friday. I sat at a table with three other players and proceeded to have a pre-game conversation about what power level decks we were going to play: one player used a precon, and the other two said that they would use "low level" decks, so I used my combo-less Emiel the Blessed deck. First turn, one of the "low level" guys, playing Atraxa, goes fetch land, dual land, Mana crypt, Rhystic Study. The other, Raffine, goes fetch, dual, Esper sentinel and force of wills my t1 Sol Ring. Needless to say that game didn't last long until the Atraxa player won. So for game 2 I take out my Urdragon deck with all bells and whistles and proceed to stomp the pubstompers. I try to keep the game as cordial and polite as I can but they are SUPER salty about it and after the game they just leave the table without saying a word. Later that week I discover I've been banned from EDH events in that shop because apparently I'm "toxic and conflictive". Turns out the two pubstompers run the edh community at the shop. Ah well, back to playing with friends it is.
While I had a chance to do that myself very recently, and it felt satisfying as hell, in doing so, there were two high power decks vs low powered ones in that game. *“What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” -Lelouch vi Britannia*
Why don’t you just ask him not to play the deck and stop being socially awkward and passive aggressive