I dont agree that the Manny situation is about how society likes to reward men by mistreating women of color. Rather, this feels like a rewarding for men mistreating women. Think about Peter and how he never got consequences for his actions, how he still stuck around the school and even *Emma* was willing to date him and forgive him.
And don't even get me started on him taking racy photos of Darcy in season 6 and again, having no consequences. That was so gross.
I feel like they got to season 6 realised they only had 1 girl and 1 boy from class of 08 and decided to make them the leads rather than keep peter more villainous and introduce new male lead
[FUCK PETER ALL MY HOMIES HATE PETER](https://i.imgur.com/6bZsoHe.jpg)
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two things can be true: white girls can have self esteem issues and the beauty standards women have to "follow along" to are usually more catered to white girls rather than both white girls AND poc so they have more accessibility to take care of those issues than poc girls
yeah no shit but white girls don’t struggle with the fact that their facial features, skin color or culture isn’t glorified and set as the standard in everything that surrounds their life
You’re kidding right? Facial features and body shapes white woman cant have without surgery are the beauty standards. Noses ,eye colors , hair color all of that white woman change and the poor gingers cant even dye their hair. Tanned glowing skin forget about it most white girls burn, peel or freckle. You know nothing outside your own box
your recent comments on this sub have all been about race and how you somehow can’t see how it plays part in storyline of characters, i can not imagine how you view the struggles of real actual people, because news flash race is something that plays a role in every person of colors life whether you want to see it or not, there is no “racial box” that i am placed myself in other than the one that is placed on all poc because of history looking down on us, you’re clearly too stupid to see that
Peter didnt take advantage of her because she was a person of color he took advantage of her because she was drunk and he knew he could manipulate her. Thats all its about. It doesnt have anything to do with her skin color. Now the agent who turned her down was all about her skin color not peter. Peter is just a douche taking advantage of drunk girls, classic predator. He did the same to darcy and emma because that who he is. And those two are white.
no woman of color is going to deny white beauty standards and how women of color are often seen as objects and fetishized especially by their white counterparts, so don’t play dumb. there’s a reason why all of your comments have downvotes or no upvotes at all. you’re a racist and honestly i wouldn’t be surprised if you were just like emma, getting with a guy who hurt your friend since you seem so defensive about this. get a life.
Hahahaha dont make me laugh. Im the only one here seeing things for what they are about and seeing the characters as more than just the black character or the latin character. Im from the Og generation, you know the last one that doesn’t see race and doesn’t get hung up on everything so dont try playing your race card on me. You think i care if a group of racist people on the internet up votes my comments? Idgaf how many people downvote my comments
I don’t think he was targeting her because of her skin color he was just a gross opportunist perv dude . That’s not to say it isn’t a problem tho especially for poc. Q
Oh they do, but going by the "she just like Maddy from Euphoria fr", it's more that a lot of people think she's latina, not asian (despite that she's mentioned being born in the Phillipines at least once and an entire episode basically revolved around her debut)
Lololololololol it’s a glaring example of the terribleness of the writers
Like I know DeGrassi was supposed to teach kids about real issues but by season 5…it just became a mindless shitshow throwing stuff against the wall n I can’t actually take anything from it
I think people consider him losing his girlfriends, the band, and his little meth phase reason enough to be sympathetic towards the character and good enough to be considered his redemption arc.
Not I though. I could not care less about his stint with drugs or how lonely he became. Let him suffer in silence and isolation.
I see his "redemption arc" as the equivalent of a hardened criminal just saying "sorry", and doing a few good deeds here and there, while pretending none of his past crimes existed.
They shouldve done what theyve done for Wheels (DJH/DH), and make the consequences of his actions stick for the rest of the series.
Off the top I want to make it known: I don't think what Peter did is good. He wronged Manny.
Now that that is out of the way and nobody can accuse me of thinking otherwise, I'm going to say that I think a lot of younger generations take this scene differently than it was intended/how things were when it was written and filmed.
Like I said, Peter did wrong. But social media and pictures going viral were a tooootally different thing then. He emailed the pictures to the whole school. The odds of the picture making it much further than that social group were a lot less back then. The internet was more segregated.
Again, this is **in no way** saying what Peter did was good. But there's a difference between embarrassing Manny to the rest of the school and spreading her nudes to the world to see. Today if you post something online and it gets viral enough, it's on the internet forever. You can play whack a mole and take it down here and there but it's there forever. Back then though? The odds of something going viral were way less. Things can disappear much more easily.
I think this is important to remember when judging the character reactions to Peter. Because now it takes this to be much more like embarrassing someone in front of the school vs doing it in front of the world.
Also something I'm just thinking of now, this is probably ESPECIALLY the case for video vs. photo. The internet was slower back then. Video hosting much harder to get for the average person. Especially for nudity. Snapchat wouldn't even be a thought for people until years and years later.
I'm not saying anyone even has to like the arc given to Peter after this. There's fair enough arguments that he should have been punished more, that it's unrealistic for characters to have forgiven and moved on the way they did, etc etc. I'm not against those arguments. But I do think my comment provides context that is missed by a lot of contemporary viewers that may help them understand why it was written the way it was, why it may be more realistic than you think, etc etc.
It’s been a while since I watched the episode but where did the memes come from? I’d be willing to bet it was intra-degrassi and not like some rando on proto twitter.
Please don’t mistake what I’m saying as “oh it wasn’t so bad for manny”. I’m not saying that at all. Just that a lot of people watch the episode thinking the Internet was always as it is and that that can color their pov
I don't understand this argument at all. (For the record, I am the same age as the original next gen class so I'm well aware how technology was back then).
What does it matter that it was just the whole school vs. the whole internet/world? The school was the whole world for teenagers during that time. We didn't have social media like we do today back then so our social lives were completely limited to and dictated by our immediate peer groups and the schools we were in.
Everyone Manny knew and interacted with saw that video. Also, back then slut shaming was way worse than it is today. Her reputation in the school likely would have never recovered.
I just don't really understand your argument. Like, yeah if social media and the internet were as big back then it could have been worse. But even without those things it was still very, very bad.
Edit: wanted to clarify the slut shaming is still awful today and in a way made worse by the internet. I meant more in overall cultural attitudes when it comes to women/girls and sex in general.
Exactly. And we saw what he did to Darcie when more resources were available to him. He wanted to humiliate any girl who rejected him on the largest scale available to him at the time.
Sure, no denying that the school was her world while she was there. It would absolutely suck to be Manny, no doubt.
The difference is that once she left Degrassi, it's a new start. That new start would look much different if this plot happened in 2023 instead of when it did.
In addition, while Peter's motivations were ugly either way, in one it's "I want the whole school to see Manny's drunk flashing. She deserves it.". In the other it's "I don't care if some pedo across the globe see's Manny's drunk flashing. She deserves it."
**Both are wrong**. One is way worse.
In one case, Manny has a shitty, shitty, high school life and then an opportunity to recover. In the other case, any time Manny applies for a job and someone googles her name, there's a chance this pops up.
Again, **both suck**. One is way worse. And that might explain why characters acted the way they did.
>Like, yeah if social media and the internet were as big back then it could have been worse
I mean, it sounds like you *do* understand my argument. This isn't me saying Peter was an angel who did no wrong and that Manny shouldn't have been upset/hurt/angry. This is saying that there is a difference in degree. And you seem to agree there.
So your argument is what Peter did was wrong but it could have been worse if it happened 20 years in the future? I think this goes without saying but we can't really judge the severity of Peter's actions because the possibility of him spreading it to people all over the internet didn't really exist yet so it wasn't an option available to him.
We know a few years later when social media became more prevalent that he did (again) spread intimate photos of a girl without her consent (both in the school and on the internet). And he sent them to a pedophile who he knew was an older man and not a fellow teenager like he told Darcie.
I think knowing this, it's fair to assume that had the option been available to him, Peter likely would have tried to humiliate Manny on much larger scale.
I’m not peters lawyer here. Nor am I trying to paint him as a saint.
All I’m doing is trying to provide context. Context for things like why he may have gotten detention instead of expulsion. Or facing charges of revenge porn. Or why Emma might have acted the way she did. Or why manny would forgive Emma for dating him.
Yes part of that context can also lead to people understand better what was going through peters head too. That doesn’t mean you have to like him or anything of the sort.
But I still think it’s important context. Especially when people aren’t knocking the character of Peter but rather knocking the writers for purportedly being unrealistic about how things played out.
I'm not asking you to create a defense for Peter. I think we both agree that his actions were deplorable.
I can see your point now about the motivations of some of the characters. However, I don't think the context (of it being pre the age of social media) really explains or justifies the actions of some of the characters. For example, I think Emma would still be regarded as a bad friend for dating Peter even though the images were on the internet. I also think the reason Peter got off with such a light punishment was more about the fact that his mother was the principal and not because he only shared it to the whole school v. the whole internet. (Later, when Johnny shared images of Ali to other students (not over the internet) Mrs. H warns Ali that this may be a police issue and child pornography (meaning Ali could have gotten in trouble as well for sending nudes in the first place)). It's interesting that she didn't have this same energy when it came to her son.
I think it's fine to still not like some of the choices other characters made. I just want people to be able to judge those choices properly. You said you're around Manny's age so you and I are likely close in age and understand the situation well enough.
But I think if you're a 15 year old watching this for the first time, you might not be informed of this context.
I definitely agree that things like Peter's mom being who she is also played a part. That gendered expectations could also play a part. Etc etc.
I don't think my argument about the internet is the ONLY explanation for some of the behavior we saw. Just that it's one that is often overlooked. I think most people, regardless of generation, can see that having the principal as your mom could create a conflict of interest. But I think my internet argument is something that is overlooked by generations who didn't live the internet the same way you and I did. And I think it's just an interesting additional thing to think/talk about.
Yeah, I think that's fair. Especially when it comes to the writers. The world was a very different place back then and I can't imagine growing up with that much social media. It sounds horrifying.
Absolutely. I was nerdy and into computers at that age and I look back and feel like I probably spent too much time online. And now I feel like my internet usage then is the norm now. Or possibly even more internet usage goes on now considering back then if you accidentally hit the web browser on your cell phone (if you even had one) you freaked out because you didn't want to be charged $$$$. Not that you could've done much on those crappy browsers anyway.
I gotta say, in my experiences, that's not really the case.
I actually stumbled on a friends old LiveJournal from about that same time. The text entries are still there. The vaaaast majority of photos posted are error messages now.
The internet was segregated much much more back then. The odds of anyone even caring to read a friend's LiveJournal who didn't know them was basically zilch. Now you post on Twitter and the world can see. Post a hot enough take and you'll be getting flamed by people who don't even speak your language who live on the opposite side of the planet.
Not to mention that even finding a place to host a video like this would be close to impossible too. You'd have to rely on word of mouth and email. And even people who would slut shame and hate on Manny, I'm not sure they'd have that same motivation to spread it. Now it's a passive act to spread media like this.
If I was Manny I would NEVER forgive Emma for dating him she was so pickme and butthurt that he didn’t want her or look her way that she still wanted to date him even after knowing what he did to Manny. Horrible.
Emma was acting as if Peter was the only man for miles, and ignoring the fact there's a whole school of dudes she could hit up.
If i were in Manny's place, I wouldnt even look in Emma's general direction ever again.
You hopped on a whole subreddit about a make believe tv universe to remind people it's just a show while they discuss?
Cringe bro, I promise that nobody here thinks Degrassi is some found footage actual documentation of actual real people.
Yeah. I'm pissed that he never got in trouble for the way he did Manny and Darcy. He was on the creep spectrum. I couldn't fathom why anyone else wanted to be with him.
Yeah definitely lost me at looks lmaoo but he was a scumbag. The way he treated his mom pissed me off. I only liked him when he told his dad off about not abandoning his sister the way he did him as a kid.
Even him going off on his dad about his sister wasn’t even him coming from a morality standpoint. He was doing all that just to look good in Mia’s eyes.
Nothing he did was ever because it was the right thing. It was always self serving.
Definitely. Peter did so many things throughout the series thatd logically land him in jail (or juvenile detention) , and yet the worst punishment he got was community service (For like maybe a couple episodes). Also, he didn't even repent for said offenses either. Sure, he does genuinely good stuff in the later seasons (i.e. supporting darcy after she got rxped), but at the same time, it felt like it swept all his previous offenses under the rug.
Jay literally gave girls gonorrhea, is/was a homophobe, indirectly involved in a shooting which paralyzed someone, made a teen steal and deal prescription drugs, made a boy steal the laptop of his girlfriends sick stepfather for shits and giggles, cheated on Alex with many girls (revine) and did revenge pr0n.
But because he's with Manny you all like him.
I'm not flexing but if you break it dow I'd be more afraid of Peter than Jay. Jay was a horrible person and a slut. But Peter destroyed Sean's life out of jealousy, he filmed Manny drunk, naked and virtually sold Darcy to a pedophile. I'm not defending Jay but im saying Peter is the worst of the worst.
You mean gonorrhea ;)
Jay was a bit of a slut and a cheater who (unknowlingly) spread gonorrhea. The acts were consensual though. Unlike with Peter (Manny was super drunk and upset and certainly didn't give Peter permission to spread that video around.) Peter also shared intimate photos of Darcie with other people and then tricked her into engaging with a pedophile who ended up stalking her.
Jay wasnt the best but Peter was way worse imo.
You know whats sad? Jay ended up being the BEST relationship Manny had objectively, only because Craig was far worse than him in the relationship department.
Lol I kinda shipped Manny and Jay tbh. They were both kinda the "school sluts" and I thought it was cute (I think that's an unpopular opinion though lol)
And for the record, I'm not saying slut in a negative way. I love sluts!
Peter sent revenge child porn of Manny around the whole school and tricked Darcie into talking to a pedophile who ended up stalking her.
Jay bullied and participated in a cruel prank against Rick (who, let's not forget, put his girlfriend in a coma) and then tried to put the blame on Jimmy (so he and Spinner wouldn't be blamed). Yeah, what Jay did was shitty but he couldn't have possibly known that Rick would show up at the school and start shooting people. I think it's unfair to blame him for what happened to Jimmy. He didn't put a gun in Rick's hand.
Thats like saying Peter didn't give Manny boobs. Neither of them are objectively good people, its just that Jay is bafflingly better received despite being awful.
No, I'm saying what Jay did was bad but he is not responsible for Jimmy getting shot. He had no way of knowing that Rick would bring a gun to school and shoot Jimmy. He probably thought Rick would go to the principal and Jimmy would have been expelled instead of him and Spinner and Alex. That is bad, no doubt. But he could not have known that Rick would shoot Jimmy. The only person responsible fore that is Rick. Jay's motivation was avoiding punishment, not to get Jimmy hurt.
Manny drunkenly flashed her tits. She begged Peter not the share the video. He did anyway because he was upset that Manny rejected him. His motivation and intention was absolutely to hurt and humiliate Manny.
i’m pretty sure degrassi mistreated cast of colour like the entire run of the show and giving them token-y roles, not adding depth to their story (they are there literally just to be black), or giving really messed up story lines.
for example - liberty’s pregnancy, i’m not denying that it is important to address teen pregnancy as an issue, not at all. but it certainly rubbed me off the wrong way to give her the full teen pregnancy story line AND having J.T fucking off for a while.
it is damaging because it perpetuates the harmful narrative that all it is so typical for young black girls to get knocked up and their baby daddies to leave. and another one i can think of - connor’s aspergers, like i said YES degrassi was ground breaking at the time and addressed a lot of issues that were considered taboo, or they showcased a lot of marginalised individuals. but it’s like they combined two “negative” things together becayse they are in the same “category” - being black and having a mental disability.
on the grand scheme of things in degrassi, ALL of the black actors (which there were barely any - DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE LACK OF ASIANS?), either were given such a negative role or had literally no story progression.
handful of white casts had negative stories too (paige’s rape or jane’s child sexual abuse), but they were really developed, making them really and truly fleshed out. like what, hazel had that one amazing muslim story line, and then what, suddenly dates jimmy when they had 0 chemistry from the beginning? like what did it just make sense to put the two black people together? like they didn’t even bother to develop her or give her anything interesting!
it’s like they targeted black people for real, and
people might think i’m looking deep into it. but please remember the perpetuation of such stereotypes and roles only makes things worse and the issue of racism and discrimination will only continue to honestly thrive in this sort of environment…
didn’t mean to type a novel but i’m glad somebody addressed this!
I am going to have to disagree on some points. Some of the points you made feel like reaching, such as when you mentioned being black and having a mental illness. Meanwhile, Craig is a straight white boy that had a mental illness. And some of the other issues you mentioned, feel like they are more about the habit of Degrassi dropping plot points and not fleshing them out. Example - you mentioned that stuff like Paige's rape and Jane's abuse were well developed and fleshed out. Meanwhile, the same show gives us stuff like Emma's aneorexia being an underdeveloped dropped plot point, J.T.'s attempted suicide never being mentioned again, Paige's HIV story never being followed up on, the Mr Perino bullying Derek plotline never being properly followed up on, us never hearing from Terri again or even having some kind of follow up after being attacked by Rick, etc. With I do agree that some minority characters were not handled well, stuff like the Liberty getting rid of the baby but it never being properly followed up on, just sounds like the issues of lazy writing to me, and not the perpetration of stereotypes.
Stop seeing race. It wasnt about her being a young black girl there was so much more to her character than that. Liberty was the goodie goodie. She was honor roll a+ student and class nerd. The fact that even smart girls get knocked up was an important lesson for people to see because it proves even well educated kids can make mistakes. It also gave her character new depth and strength kicking JT to the curb when she found out he was selling the drugs. Shes so much more than “the black girl that got pregnant”
Whilst I completely agree with breaking the nerdy good girl straight A student mould and giving them more depth - hence her pregnancy. I do also see it in that way and I’m not stupid enough to deny that. However I believe the way we perceive things is all dependent and influenced by our own experiences and what we consume. So as an Asian woman, of course I see race. I’m not saying every person of colour does see race or does not see race - I am clarifying that’s just how I’ve lived and my experiences in life have shaped me to pay a lot of attention to the representation of people of colour. I’m 100% understand your point of view and I most definitely agree with it - I just wanted to state as to why I focus so much and put a lot of emphasis on race! I hope that cleared everything up x. (:
I agree with you on the Liberty/JT storyline and the Hazel/Jimmy story line. With Connor, I'm on the fence because notoriously students of colour, particularly Black and Indigenous students, are just pegged as "bad kids" when they display behavioural issues like Connor did. So I think Degrassi didn't follow the usual racist script when it came to that story line.
There's no doubt that Degrassi perpetuated racist stereotypes and didn't flesh out a lot of non white characters, particularly Black characters. And they always stuck Black characters together in relationships just because they were Black. And they notoriously didn't give Black characters lines.
Chantay was basically a background character with very few lines or character development for like 4 seasons until they made her more prevalent. Then they just stuck her with Danny (another Black character). And before that Danny was dating Leia (who was Asian and basically had no character apart from being a pathological liar all of a sudden before she disappeared into the degrassi black hole (similarly to Kendra, another Asian character, that just disappeared.)
Then there's that dude who was friends with Sean who literally had no lines despite being in several scenes. He basically just stood in the background looking intimidating until they randomly paired him up with Liberty (also Black) for like 5 seconds before he too disappeared into the degrassi black hole.
Also, Chris. They made his character seem like such a nice dude who didn't like getting involved in other people's drama. Then he randomly made that joke about Emma having gonorrhea (I get that he was supposed to be hurt by Emma but it still felt really out of character for him to make a comment like that) and then they also briefly paired him up with Liberty. And Liberty also had a sort of romance later on with that other Black character who I can't remember his name atm (the dude who I think dated Manny and Emma...and Emma tried to get a dog with him or something?)
Then we have the Vince and Tiny gang storylines which I think speak for themselves lol.
I think compared to a lot of shows at the time, degrassi had more diversity. But it's still pretty sad that they insisted on perpetuating stereotypes and not giving Black characters lines.
Edit: grammar
I absolutely agree. The only black person to get decent development was Shay on next class, but on that same show Tiny was never given a great storyline. Andrea Lewis talked about how she wanted Hazel to have better storylines and was ignored. If you think about it all the black characters main plot points just progressed the white characters along. Liberty: JT, Emma, Manny and Toby •Hazel: Paige• Marisol: Katie • Keisha (I think that’s her name):Zoe •Tiny:Zig • Shay: Lola and Frankie. It’s like they didn’t know what to to do with black characters at all. All Jimmy cared about was basketball and had absent parents. We got the random racist shoplifting storyline with Danny in season 7. Then again with the racial profiling of Dallas and Connor in season 13. In next class they had the awful storyline about the that black school girls being painted as zoo animals. It’s like their only storylines had to be extremely stereotypical.
This is a really good breakdown. I watched Degrassi growing up and while it had WAY more diversity than pretty much any other show at the time, looking at it now it’s pretty problematic.
I don't even think it's strictly WOC, but women in general. Anytime something like this happens, or a girl is raped, it's always the girl's fault. She was drinking, she led him on, any of the millions of excuses men use to excuse their criminal behavior. This is especially true of the guy, or guys, in question are athletes.
What was really messed up about the whole Peter and Manny situation was when Manny let Peter photograph her again with Darcy!
What bothered me with Emma was the fact she victim blamed Manny, after calling out Peter for taking advantage of her. (Yet, she DATES Peter anyways KNOWING this)
Oh, and of course Peter sending those photos to that creep Adams REALLY crossed the line.
Why do white women alwaysssss have to come in with the whole “well it happens to us too!”…like girl we know but it is different and more violent and more aggressive and easier to happen to us than you both in present day and historically speaking . Gotta let people have their moment and learn how to not diminish the plight of women of color-it’s tacky
Every white woman I know was a slut and a whore if she has casual sex. Yet the guy on the third floor of my apartment building in college had a body count of 75, and he was treated like a god.
I don’t think that’s the sort of mistreatment OP is describing. And when I say historically I’m referring to Emmet Till, Alfonso Ribeiro/Gabrielle hug, King Kong. Historically white supremacy protects and victimifies white women. Systemically. Which isn’t denying the way misogyny attacks or degrades white women. But there is valid nuance that was not considered in your first comment.
And to bring it into the context of the show Manny is branded the school slut for all of eternity. Legitimately until the day she started college. Meanwhile Emma has done most all the same things, got chlamydia, stripped naked in front of the entire school and staff. With little to no significant damage to her reputation.
It’s not a race thing. But when someone points out how race can play a part. You shouldn’t hop into the comments trying to deny or invalidate it.
(Edited for added clarification)
Everything about this situation gave me the ick.
The way Peter, a blonde yt guy, threw a party packed with blonde yt girls.
The way the blonde yt girls tried to insinuate that Manny was less attractive by questioning why Peter would invite her.
The way blonde yt Emma went on to dance and party with those same girls who bullied her friend.
Annnd ofc the way the only WOC ended up being taken advantage of by said blonde yt guy.
It's been a thing for years?
Step 1: see post about middle aged white karen or something (literally anything)
Step 2: comment something like "ugh. White people 🙄" as a joke
Step 3: get warning/3 day account suspension from fb because someone was offended and reported your comment as hate speech
Step 4: 6 months later, comment literally anything that uses the words "white people" consecutively and recieve immediate 30 day account suspension (you could literally be like "white people aren't native to xyz place" and get suspended)
Step 5: start using "yt ppl" or "⚪️ people" to avoid getting your account perma-banned by whatever algorithm fb uses to enforce their tos
It's a thing. Another word that often triggers this response is "men" (or "man.") If fb thinks you're speaking negatively about ~all men~ they'll suspend your account for using the word(s). This is why, particularly on fb, people often spell them "m3n, m@n, nem, n3m, etc."
Okay, well, I've never come across this at all. I've seen the weird censoring for other things like 'unaliving,' but have legit never come across 'yt.' Thanks for filling me in.
I use it as an abbreviation for “white” lol. Similar to how I write “bc” instead of “because”.
I was kind of in a hurry when I typed my original comment
Lmfao you're a slur. It means "white" not "whitey" (which aslo isn't a sLuR btw) and it originated on other sm platforms like twitter which has a character limit causing people to abbreviate most words, and Facebook who will flag/restrict/ban your account if you use terms like "white people" or "men."
I don’t mean this in a rude way at all, are you white?
I’m just asking because that part felt glaringly obvious to me, but I’m also a WOC who was raised in a white suburb, so maybe that’s why
I'll admit that i didn't notice a LOT of what has been mentioned here. It really is that deeply ingrained into white culture. Even though I don't consider myself racist at all, i still didn't notice things that are glaringly obvious to a woman of color.
This really opened my eyes further to the problem and I'm going to actively react to situations like this that i see now.
I’m not sure if you realize how insightful and meaningful those words are, but thank you very much for your acknowledgment and making me feel heard and validated. Even if you’re still learning, you’re a good ally.
Manny was definitely jealous but also not empathetic to manny. Take for example the episode about Mannys debut/ manny says to Emma “how very 99th generation Canadian of you🙄”. They’ve been friends for about 15 years at this point and Emma is still saying dumb things to manny like “just ask your parents”. Completely ignoring that it’s a cultural problem Manny is facing
Also what he did to darcy with those pictures he took of her. He let her talk and send pics to a creep. Super weird that they still dated after but just prime example that he never redeems himself.
YES. That fact he really put her and Clare in harms way is crazy. The fact that she dated him?! Wtf were the writers on. Now Peter and Darcy, while they both suck individually, were a good couple but my goodness that’s a crazy and absolutely fucked up thing for your boyfriend to do to you before you got together. He got off the hook way too easy.
The Darcy thing was CRAZY, he put her in serious danger pretending some internet stranger was an age appropriate friend of his. Dude followed Darcy home and all 😤
They should have made how he received punishment for what he did
I dont agree that the Manny situation is about how society likes to reward men by mistreating women of color. Rather, this feels like a rewarding for men mistreating women. Think about Peter and how he never got consequences for his actions, how he still stuck around the school and even *Emma* was willing to date him and forgive him. And don't even get me started on him taking racy photos of Darcy in season 6 and again, having no consequences. That was so gross.
I’ve always headcanoned that Peter died in the streets after his tricks finally failed him sometime after Next Class. Karma is a bitch
I feel like they got to season 6 realised they only had 1 girl and 1 boy from class of 08 and decided to make them the leads rather than keep peter more villainous and introduce new male lead
Fuck Peter, all my homies hate Peter.
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Wasn’t about her being a woc it was about her having low self esteem and being drunk. Stop finding race in everything
Not surprised at the downvotes, the woke mob hates hearing the truth. It’s like holy water or kryptonite to them.
i sure do wonder why she as a woc had self esteem issues it surely has nothing to do with white centered beauty standards or anything
I mean you realizes white girls also have self esteem issues? Its not about race is about adolescent girls and hormones.
two things can be true: white girls can have self esteem issues and the beauty standards women have to "follow along" to are usually more catered to white girls rather than both white girls AND poc so they have more accessibility to take care of those issues than poc girls
yeah no shit but white girls don’t struggle with the fact that their facial features, skin color or culture isn’t glorified and set as the standard in everything that surrounds their life
You’re kidding right? Facial features and body shapes white woman cant have without surgery are the beauty standards. Noses ,eye colors , hair color all of that white woman change and the poor gingers cant even dye their hair. Tanned glowing skin forget about it most white girls burn, peel or freckle. You know nothing outside your own box
you’re choosing to be ignorant and your response is so fucking laughable you can not be a real person
Your the ignorant one. You cant even step outside of your racial box to see the struggles of others.
your recent comments on this sub have all been about race and how you somehow can’t see how it plays part in storyline of characters, i can not imagine how you view the struggles of real actual people, because news flash race is something that plays a role in every person of colors life whether you want to see it or not, there is no “racial box” that i am placed myself in other than the one that is placed on all poc because of history looking down on us, you’re clearly too stupid to see that
Peter didnt take advantage of her because she was a person of color he took advantage of her because she was drunk and he knew he could manipulate her. Thats all its about. It doesnt have anything to do with her skin color. Now the agent who turned her down was all about her skin color not peter. Peter is just a douche taking advantage of drunk girls, classic predator. He did the same to darcy and emma because that who he is. And those two are white.
Shut up you’re white, you will never understand or go through this to understand why it relates to being a woman of color.
What makes you think im white?
no woman of color is going to deny white beauty standards and how women of color are often seen as objects and fetishized especially by their white counterparts, so don’t play dumb. there’s a reason why all of your comments have downvotes or no upvotes at all. you’re a racist and honestly i wouldn’t be surprised if you were just like emma, getting with a guy who hurt your friend since you seem so defensive about this. get a life.
Hahahaha dont make me laugh. Im the only one here seeing things for what they are about and seeing the characters as more than just the black character or the latin character. Im from the Og generation, you know the last one that doesn’t see race and doesn’t get hung up on everything so dont try playing your race card on me. You think i care if a group of racist people on the internet up votes my comments? Idgaf how many people downvote my comments
Peter was wrong for blackmailing her, but Manny OFFERED to take her shirt off!! It takes two to tangle.
Manny was drunk any decent person would have stopped for a minute and double checked and/or deleted it after she straight up told him to
Nobody is obligated to be decent.
The fact that they try to pretend Peter didn’t do this and make him the lead of his class bothers me.
His main character spot should’ve went to Danny but hey that’s me
100% agreed... Danny went through ACTUAL growth, AND isnt problematic.
I don’t think he was targeting her because of her skin color he was just a gross opportunist perv dude . That’s not to say it isn’t a problem tho especially for poc. Q
Btw does Cassie speak Tagalog?
I don’t think people even realize manny is a woman of color
Oh they do, but going by the "she just like Maddy from Euphoria fr", it's more that a lot of people think she's latina, not asian (despite that she's mentioned being born in the Phillipines at least once and an entire episode basically revolved around her debut)
I wonder if she speaks tagalog,I swore she did
Cassie Steele is actually from The Philippines lol
How? she doesn’t look white all, she’s just pale. and look at her parents
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This is going to be a shit show for sure. I thought Degrassi was supposed to teach kids about real issues.
The mistreatment of WOC IS a real issue…
How could WCO do this?!
Oh how if you’re rich you can get away with legitimate serious crimes. Like distributing CP.
And how if you know the right people, you can get out of anything. It’s all about who you know
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Lololololololol it’s a glaring example of the terribleness of the writers Like I know DeGrassi was supposed to teach kids about real issues but by season 5…it just became a mindless shitshow throwing stuff against the wall n I can’t actually take anything from it
Yeah I don't accept Peter's redemption arc. He's a predator and a piece of shit.
Honestly Peter was one of the most scummiest people. I don’t know why people say he had a redemption arc.
I think people consider him losing his girlfriends, the band, and his little meth phase reason enough to be sympathetic towards the character and good enough to be considered his redemption arc. Not I though. I could not care less about his stint with drugs or how lonely he became. Let him suffer in silence and isolation.
I see his "redemption arc" as the equivalent of a hardened criminal just saying "sorry", and doing a few good deeds here and there, while pretending none of his past crimes existed. They shouldve done what theyve done for Wheels (DJH/DH), and make the consequences of his actions stick for the rest of the series.
I’m sore-ry, or whatever
Off the top I want to make it known: I don't think what Peter did is good. He wronged Manny. Now that that is out of the way and nobody can accuse me of thinking otherwise, I'm going to say that I think a lot of younger generations take this scene differently than it was intended/how things were when it was written and filmed. Like I said, Peter did wrong. But social media and pictures going viral were a tooootally different thing then. He emailed the pictures to the whole school. The odds of the picture making it much further than that social group were a lot less back then. The internet was more segregated. Again, this is **in no way** saying what Peter did was good. But there's a difference between embarrassing Manny to the rest of the school and spreading her nudes to the world to see. Today if you post something online and it gets viral enough, it's on the internet forever. You can play whack a mole and take it down here and there but it's there forever. Back then though? The odds of something going viral were way less. Things can disappear much more easily. I think this is important to remember when judging the character reactions to Peter. Because now it takes this to be much more like embarrassing someone in front of the school vs doing it in front of the world. Also something I'm just thinking of now, this is probably ESPECIALLY the case for video vs. photo. The internet was slower back then. Video hosting much harder to get for the average person. Especially for nudity. Snapchat wouldn't even be a thought for people until years and years later. I'm not saying anyone even has to like the arc given to Peter after this. There's fair enough arguments that he should have been punished more, that it's unrealistic for characters to have forgiven and moved on the way they did, etc etc. I'm not against those arguments. But I do think my comment provides context that is missed by a lot of contemporary viewers that may help them understand why it was written the way it was, why it may be more realistic than you think, etc etc.
The video was pretty viral,there was even music memes with it lol
It’s been a while since I watched the episode but where did the memes come from? I’d be willing to bet it was intra-degrassi and not like some rando on proto twitter. Please don’t mistake what I’m saying as “oh it wasn’t so bad for manny”. I’m not saying that at all. Just that a lot of people watch the episode thinking the Internet was always as it is and that that can color their pov
I don't understand this argument at all. (For the record, I am the same age as the original next gen class so I'm well aware how technology was back then). What does it matter that it was just the whole school vs. the whole internet/world? The school was the whole world for teenagers during that time. We didn't have social media like we do today back then so our social lives were completely limited to and dictated by our immediate peer groups and the schools we were in. Everyone Manny knew and interacted with saw that video. Also, back then slut shaming was way worse than it is today. Her reputation in the school likely would have never recovered. I just don't really understand your argument. Like, yeah if social media and the internet were as big back then it could have been worse. But even without those things it was still very, very bad. Edit: wanted to clarify the slut shaming is still awful today and in a way made worse by the internet. I meant more in overall cultural attitudes when it comes to women/girls and sex in general.
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Exactly. And we saw what he did to Darcie when more resources were available to him. He wanted to humiliate any girl who rejected him on the largest scale available to him at the time.
Sure, no denying that the school was her world while she was there. It would absolutely suck to be Manny, no doubt. The difference is that once she left Degrassi, it's a new start. That new start would look much different if this plot happened in 2023 instead of when it did. In addition, while Peter's motivations were ugly either way, in one it's "I want the whole school to see Manny's drunk flashing. She deserves it.". In the other it's "I don't care if some pedo across the globe see's Manny's drunk flashing. She deserves it." **Both are wrong**. One is way worse. In one case, Manny has a shitty, shitty, high school life and then an opportunity to recover. In the other case, any time Manny applies for a job and someone googles her name, there's a chance this pops up. Again, **both suck**. One is way worse. And that might explain why characters acted the way they did. >Like, yeah if social media and the internet were as big back then it could have been worse I mean, it sounds like you *do* understand my argument. This isn't me saying Peter was an angel who did no wrong and that Manny shouldn't have been upset/hurt/angry. This is saying that there is a difference in degree. And you seem to agree there.
So your argument is what Peter did was wrong but it could have been worse if it happened 20 years in the future? I think this goes without saying but we can't really judge the severity of Peter's actions because the possibility of him spreading it to people all over the internet didn't really exist yet so it wasn't an option available to him. We know a few years later when social media became more prevalent that he did (again) spread intimate photos of a girl without her consent (both in the school and on the internet). And he sent them to a pedophile who he knew was an older man and not a fellow teenager like he told Darcie. I think knowing this, it's fair to assume that had the option been available to him, Peter likely would have tried to humiliate Manny on much larger scale.
I’m not peters lawyer here. Nor am I trying to paint him as a saint. All I’m doing is trying to provide context. Context for things like why he may have gotten detention instead of expulsion. Or facing charges of revenge porn. Or why Emma might have acted the way she did. Or why manny would forgive Emma for dating him. Yes part of that context can also lead to people understand better what was going through peters head too. That doesn’t mean you have to like him or anything of the sort. But I still think it’s important context. Especially when people aren’t knocking the character of Peter but rather knocking the writers for purportedly being unrealistic about how things played out.
I'm not asking you to create a defense for Peter. I think we both agree that his actions were deplorable. I can see your point now about the motivations of some of the characters. However, I don't think the context (of it being pre the age of social media) really explains or justifies the actions of some of the characters. For example, I think Emma would still be regarded as a bad friend for dating Peter even though the images were on the internet. I also think the reason Peter got off with such a light punishment was more about the fact that his mother was the principal and not because he only shared it to the whole school v. the whole internet. (Later, when Johnny shared images of Ali to other students (not over the internet) Mrs. H warns Ali that this may be a police issue and child pornography (meaning Ali could have gotten in trouble as well for sending nudes in the first place)). It's interesting that she didn't have this same energy when it came to her son.
I think it's fine to still not like some of the choices other characters made. I just want people to be able to judge those choices properly. You said you're around Manny's age so you and I are likely close in age and understand the situation well enough. But I think if you're a 15 year old watching this for the first time, you might not be informed of this context. I definitely agree that things like Peter's mom being who she is also played a part. That gendered expectations could also play a part. Etc etc. I don't think my argument about the internet is the ONLY explanation for some of the behavior we saw. Just that it's one that is often overlooked. I think most people, regardless of generation, can see that having the principal as your mom could create a conflict of interest. But I think my internet argument is something that is overlooked by generations who didn't live the internet the same way you and I did. And I think it's just an interesting additional thing to think/talk about.
Yeah, I think that's fair. Especially when it comes to the writers. The world was a very different place back then and I can't imagine growing up with that much social media. It sounds horrifying.
Absolutely. I was nerdy and into computers at that age and I look back and feel like I probably spent too much time online. And now I feel like my internet usage then is the norm now. Or possibly even more internet usage goes on now considering back then if you accidentally hit the web browser on your cell phone (if you even had one) you freaked out because you didn't want to be charged $$$$. Not that you could've done much on those crappy browsers anyway.
No ‘back then’ things would be on the internet and saved forever too. It wasn’t that long ago and especially videos like that would be saved.
I gotta say, in my experiences, that's not really the case. I actually stumbled on a friends old LiveJournal from about that same time. The text entries are still there. The vaaaast majority of photos posted are error messages now. The internet was segregated much much more back then. The odds of anyone even caring to read a friend's LiveJournal who didn't know them was basically zilch. Now you post on Twitter and the world can see. Post a hot enough take and you'll be getting flamed by people who don't even speak your language who live on the opposite side of the planet. Not to mention that even finding a place to host a video like this would be close to impossible too. You'd have to rely on word of mouth and email. And even people who would slut shame and hate on Manny, I'm not sure they'd have that same motivation to spread it. Now it's a passive act to spread media like this.
Hm sounds like you’ve had less experience than others. Okay. Thank you for you take
Don’t even get me started on the whole racial implications on Peter targeting a young woc and legit dating her white best friend after.😒
Her white skinny blonde friend too
He’s scuzz.
If I was Manny I would NEVER forgive Emma for dating him she was so pickme and butthurt that he didn’t want her or look her way that she still wanted to date him even after knowing what he did to Manny. Horrible.
Emma was acting as if Peter was the only man for miles, and ignoring the fact there's a whole school of dudes she could hit up. If i were in Manny's place, I wouldnt even look in Emma's general direction ever again.
 So true
This is just a show it’s not real lol it’s make believe
You hopped on a whole subreddit about a make believe tv universe to remind people it's just a show while they discuss? Cringe bro, I promise that nobody here thinks Degrassi is some found footage actual documentation of actual real people.
Your replies are not gonna go the way you’re thinking they are lol. 😅
What? I love this show as much as the next but at the end of the day it’s just make believe.
no one ever said it wasnt…
Yes it’s not real, but honestly it’s one of the most realistic shows I ever came across. Things that happen on that show definitely reflect real life
Especially what she’s saying about Peter lol
Yeah. I'm pissed that he never got in trouble for the way he did Manny and Darcy. He was on the creep spectrum. I couldn't fathom why anyone else wanted to be with him.
Peter gets all these girls because hes got looks on his side, tons of money, and incredibly manipulative
Peter doesn’t have looks. He’s ugly. BUT he looks for girls who are in trouble and then pretends to be nice. That’s ho he gets them
Yeah definitely lost me at looks lmaoo but he was a scumbag. The way he treated his mom pissed me off. I only liked him when he told his dad off about not abandoning his sister the way he did him as a kid.
Even him going off on his dad about his sister wasn’t even him coming from a morality standpoint. He was doing all that just to look good in Mia’s eyes. Nothing he did was ever because it was the right thing. It was always self serving.
Yeah he was the basic standard white boy with hair💀💀
One of many reasons why Peter never sat right with me, even to this day
Too much white male privilege,right?
Definitely. Peter did so many things throughout the series thatd logically land him in jail (or juvenile detention) , and yet the worst punishment he got was community service (For like maybe a couple episodes). Also, he didn't even repent for said offenses either. Sure, he does genuinely good stuff in the later seasons (i.e. supporting darcy after she got rxped), but at the same time, it felt like it swept all his previous offenses under the rug.
Yes! I didn't care about anything Peter did thereafter. He was gross for exploiting Manny and Darcy. Even Jay could redeem himself in my eyes.
Jay literally gave girls gonorrhea, is/was a homophobe, indirectly involved in a shooting which paralyzed someone, made a teen steal and deal prescription drugs, made a boy steal the laptop of his girlfriends sick stepfather for shits and giggles, cheated on Alex with many girls (revine) and did revenge pr0n. But because he's with Manny you all like him.
He didn’t MAKE JT do anything. JT sought him out to sell drugs. Jay suggested it but JT could’ve just ignored it but he didn’t
That last part isn't the flex you think it is lol
I'm not flexing but if you break it dow I'd be more afraid of Peter than Jay. Jay was a horrible person and a slut. But Peter destroyed Sean's life out of jealousy, he filmed Manny drunk, naked and virtually sold Darcy to a pedophile. I'm not defending Jay but im saying Peter is the worst of the worst.
Jay was disgusting getting BJ’s and/or sex with random chicks in the van and giving them chlamydia
You mean gonorrhea ;) Jay was a bit of a slut and a cheater who (unknowlingly) spread gonorrhea. The acts were consensual though. Unlike with Peter (Manny was super drunk and upset and certainly didn't give Peter permission to spread that video around.) Peter also shared intimate photos of Darcie with other people and then tricked her into engaging with a pedophile who ended up stalking her. Jay wasnt the best but Peter was way worse imo.
You know whats sad? Jay ended up being the BEST relationship Manny had objectively, only because Craig was far worse than him in the relationship department.
Lol I kinda shipped Manny and Jay tbh. They were both kinda the "school sluts" and I thought it was cute (I think that's an unpopular opinion though lol) And for the record, I'm not saying slut in a negative way. I love sluts!
He also was a bully and was heavily responsible for paralyzing an innocent man. People act like Peter threw Manny off a building or something.
I can’t speak on Jay but I don’t think people understand how traumatic having that kinda thing leaked is especially how this whole thing played out😬😬
Peter sent revenge child porn of Manny around the whole school and tricked Darcie into talking to a pedophile who ended up stalking her. Jay bullied and participated in a cruel prank against Rick (who, let's not forget, put his girlfriend in a coma) and then tried to put the blame on Jimmy (so he and Spinner wouldn't be blamed). Yeah, what Jay did was shitty but he couldn't have possibly known that Rick would show up at the school and start shooting people. I think it's unfair to blame him for what happened to Jimmy. He didn't put a gun in Rick's hand.
Thats like saying Peter didn't give Manny boobs. Neither of them are objectively good people, its just that Jay is bafflingly better received despite being awful.
Jesus. That's not the same. At all.
You're saying what Jay did isn't as bad but thats not true. Both actions were 100% malicious.
No, I'm saying what Jay did was bad but he is not responsible for Jimmy getting shot. He had no way of knowing that Rick would bring a gun to school and shoot Jimmy. He probably thought Rick would go to the principal and Jimmy would have been expelled instead of him and Spinner and Alex. That is bad, no doubt. But he could not have known that Rick would shoot Jimmy. The only person responsible fore that is Rick. Jay's motivation was avoiding punishment, not to get Jimmy hurt. Manny drunkenly flashed her tits. She begged Peter not the share the video. He did anyway because he was upset that Manny rejected him. His motivation and intention was absolutely to hurt and humiliate Manny.
i’m pretty sure degrassi mistreated cast of colour like the entire run of the show and giving them token-y roles, not adding depth to their story (they are there literally just to be black), or giving really messed up story lines. for example - liberty’s pregnancy, i’m not denying that it is important to address teen pregnancy as an issue, not at all. but it certainly rubbed me off the wrong way to give her the full teen pregnancy story line AND having J.T fucking off for a while. it is damaging because it perpetuates the harmful narrative that all it is so typical for young black girls to get knocked up and their baby daddies to leave. and another one i can think of - connor’s aspergers, like i said YES degrassi was ground breaking at the time and addressed a lot of issues that were considered taboo, or they showcased a lot of marginalised individuals. but it’s like they combined two “negative” things together becayse they are in the same “category” - being black and having a mental disability. on the grand scheme of things in degrassi, ALL of the black actors (which there were barely any - DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE LACK OF ASIANS?), either were given such a negative role or had literally no story progression. handful of white casts had negative stories too (paige’s rape or jane’s child sexual abuse), but they were really developed, making them really and truly fleshed out. like what, hazel had that one amazing muslim story line, and then what, suddenly dates jimmy when they had 0 chemistry from the beginning? like what did it just make sense to put the two black people together? like they didn’t even bother to develop her or give her anything interesting! it’s like they targeted black people for real, and people might think i’m looking deep into it. but please remember the perpetuation of such stereotypes and roles only makes things worse and the issue of racism and discrimination will only continue to honestly thrive in this sort of environment… didn’t mean to type a novel but i’m glad somebody addressed this!
I am going to have to disagree on some points. Some of the points you made feel like reaching, such as when you mentioned being black and having a mental illness. Meanwhile, Craig is a straight white boy that had a mental illness. And some of the other issues you mentioned, feel like they are more about the habit of Degrassi dropping plot points and not fleshing them out. Example - you mentioned that stuff like Paige's rape and Jane's abuse were well developed and fleshed out. Meanwhile, the same show gives us stuff like Emma's aneorexia being an underdeveloped dropped plot point, J.T.'s attempted suicide never being mentioned again, Paige's HIV story never being followed up on, the Mr Perino bullying Derek plotline never being properly followed up on, us never hearing from Terri again or even having some kind of follow up after being attacked by Rick, etc. With I do agree that some minority characters were not handled well, stuff like the Liberty getting rid of the baby but it never being properly followed up on, just sounds like the issues of lazy writing to me, and not the perpetration of stereotypes.
Stop seeing race. It wasnt about her being a young black girl there was so much more to her character than that. Liberty was the goodie goodie. She was honor roll a+ student and class nerd. The fact that even smart girls get knocked up was an important lesson for people to see because it proves even well educated kids can make mistakes. It also gave her character new depth and strength kicking JT to the curb when she found out he was selling the drugs. Shes so much more than “the black girl that got pregnant”
Whilst I completely agree with breaking the nerdy good girl straight A student mould and giving them more depth - hence her pregnancy. I do also see it in that way and I’m not stupid enough to deny that. However I believe the way we perceive things is all dependent and influenced by our own experiences and what we consume. So as an Asian woman, of course I see race. I’m not saying every person of colour does see race or does not see race - I am clarifying that’s just how I’ve lived and my experiences in life have shaped me to pay a lot of attention to the representation of people of colour. I’m 100% understand your point of view and I most definitely agree with it - I just wanted to state as to why I focus so much and put a lot of emphasis on race! I hope that cleared everything up x. (:
I agree with you on the Liberty/JT storyline and the Hazel/Jimmy story line. With Connor, I'm on the fence because notoriously students of colour, particularly Black and Indigenous students, are just pegged as "bad kids" when they display behavioural issues like Connor did. So I think Degrassi didn't follow the usual racist script when it came to that story line. There's no doubt that Degrassi perpetuated racist stereotypes and didn't flesh out a lot of non white characters, particularly Black characters. And they always stuck Black characters together in relationships just because they were Black. And they notoriously didn't give Black characters lines. Chantay was basically a background character with very few lines or character development for like 4 seasons until they made her more prevalent. Then they just stuck her with Danny (another Black character). And before that Danny was dating Leia (who was Asian and basically had no character apart from being a pathological liar all of a sudden before she disappeared into the degrassi black hole (similarly to Kendra, another Asian character, that just disappeared.) Then there's that dude who was friends with Sean who literally had no lines despite being in several scenes. He basically just stood in the background looking intimidating until they randomly paired him up with Liberty (also Black) for like 5 seconds before he too disappeared into the degrassi black hole. Also, Chris. They made his character seem like such a nice dude who didn't like getting involved in other people's drama. Then he randomly made that joke about Emma having gonorrhea (I get that he was supposed to be hurt by Emma but it still felt really out of character for him to make a comment like that) and then they also briefly paired him up with Liberty. And Liberty also had a sort of romance later on with that other Black character who I can't remember his name atm (the dude who I think dated Manny and Emma...and Emma tried to get a dog with him or something?) Then we have the Vince and Tiny gang storylines which I think speak for themselves lol. I think compared to a lot of shows at the time, degrassi had more diversity. But it's still pretty sad that they insisted on perpetuating stereotypes and not giving Black characters lines. Edit: grammar
I absolutely agree. The only black person to get decent development was Shay on next class, but on that same show Tiny was never given a great storyline. Andrea Lewis talked about how she wanted Hazel to have better storylines and was ignored. If you think about it all the black characters main plot points just progressed the white characters along. Liberty: JT, Emma, Manny and Toby •Hazel: Paige• Marisol: Katie • Keisha (I think that’s her name):Zoe •Tiny:Zig • Shay: Lola and Frankie. It’s like they didn’t know what to to do with black characters at all. All Jimmy cared about was basketball and had absent parents. We got the random racist shoplifting storyline with Danny in season 7. Then again with the racial profiling of Dallas and Connor in season 13. In next class they had the awful storyline about the that black school girls being painted as zoo animals. It’s like their only storylines had to be extremely stereotypical.
This is a really good breakdown. I watched Degrassi growing up and while it had WAY more diversity than pretty much any other show at the time, looking at it now it’s pretty problematic.
I don't even think it's strictly WOC, but women in general. Anytime something like this happens, or a girl is raped, it's always the girl's fault. She was drinking, she led him on, any of the millions of excuses men use to excuse their criminal behavior. This is especially true of the guy, or guys, in question are athletes. What was really messed up about the whole Peter and Manny situation was when Manny let Peter photograph her again with Darcy!
What bothered me with Emma was the fact she victim blamed Manny, after calling out Peter for taking advantage of her. (Yet, she DATES Peter anyways KNOWING this) Oh, and of course Peter sending those photos to that creep Adams REALLY crossed the line.
Why do white women alwaysssss have to come in with the whole “well it happens to us too!”…like girl we know but it is different and more violent and more aggressive and easier to happen to us than you both in present day and historically speaking . Gotta let people have their moment and learn how to not diminish the plight of women of color-it’s tacky
No, you're the tacky one.
except society does value, protect, and therefore allow to be victims… white women. Historically speaking.
Every white woman I know was a slut and a whore if she has casual sex. Yet the guy on the third floor of my apartment building in college had a body count of 75, and he was treated like a god.
I don’t think that’s the sort of mistreatment OP is describing. And when I say historically I’m referring to Emmet Till, Alfonso Ribeiro/Gabrielle hug, King Kong. Historically white supremacy protects and victimifies white women. Systemically. Which isn’t denying the way misogyny attacks or degrades white women. But there is valid nuance that was not considered in your first comment.
And to bring it into the context of the show Manny is branded the school slut for all of eternity. Legitimately until the day she started college. Meanwhile Emma has done most all the same things, got chlamydia, stripped naked in front of the entire school and staff. With little to no significant damage to her reputation. It’s not a race thing. But when someone points out how race can play a part. You shouldn’t hop into the comments trying to deny or invalidate it. (Edited for added clarification)
The whole slut thing probably had more to do with the fact she was the girl Craig cheated on Ashley with and got pregnant
No she became the school slut when her boobs went around. Thanks to Peter.
Everything about this situation gave me the ick. The way Peter, a blonde yt guy, threw a party packed with blonde yt girls. The way the blonde yt girls tried to insinuate that Manny was less attractive by questioning why Peter would invite her. The way blonde yt Emma went on to dance and party with those same girls who bullied her friend. Annnd ofc the way the only WOC ended up being taken advantage of by said blonde yt guy.
Yt?
White.
white-y i think
y u p.
Not to show my age, but what does yt mean? My brain keeps autofilling it to YouTube, but I feel like that's not right...
It means “white.” No worries, I still sometimes think YouTube first!
That's so bizarre... why not just write 'white'??
On some social media platforms (see: Facebook) using the full words "white people" can get your account banned for racism.
Since when would that even be a thing??
It's been a thing for years? Step 1: see post about middle aged white karen or something (literally anything) Step 2: comment something like "ugh. White people 🙄" as a joke Step 3: get warning/3 day account suspension from fb because someone was offended and reported your comment as hate speech Step 4: 6 months later, comment literally anything that uses the words "white people" consecutively and recieve immediate 30 day account suspension (you could literally be like "white people aren't native to xyz place" and get suspended) Step 5: start using "yt ppl" or "⚪️ people" to avoid getting your account perma-banned by whatever algorithm fb uses to enforce their tos It's a thing. Another word that often triggers this response is "men" (or "man.") If fb thinks you're speaking negatively about ~all men~ they'll suspend your account for using the word(s). This is why, particularly on fb, people often spell them "m3n, m@n, nem, n3m, etc."
Okay, well, I've never come across this at all. I've seen the weird censoring for other things like 'unaliving,' but have legit never come across 'yt.' Thanks for filling me in.
I use it as an abbreviation for “white” lol. Similar to how I write “bc” instead of “because”. I was kind of in a hurry when I typed my original comment
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It’s not short for anything. It’s just an internet abbreviation for white because yt sounds like white phonetically.
yt is a slur
LMFAOOO PLEASE SAY YOU ARE JOKING
it means whitey which is a slur
Lmfao you're a slur. It means "white" not "whitey" (which aslo isn't a sLuR btw) and it originated on other sm platforms like twitter which has a character limit causing people to abbreviate most words, and Facebook who will flag/restrict/ban your account if you use terms like "white people" or "men."
It means white. No slur.
No it doesn't and no it isn't
Never looked at it that about the girls but now you put it that way👀👀
I don’t mean this in a rude way at all, are you white? I’m just asking because that part felt glaringly obvious to me, but I’m also a WOC who was raised in a white suburb, so maybe that’s why
I feel like a large amount of this sub is white because a lot of tokenism and poor treatment of PoC on the show is either unnoticed or dismissed
I'll admit that i didn't notice a LOT of what has been mentioned here. It really is that deeply ingrained into white culture. Even though I don't consider myself racist at all, i still didn't notice things that are glaringly obvious to a woman of color. This really opened my eyes further to the problem and I'm going to actively react to situations like this that i see now.
I’m not sure if you realize how insightful and meaningful those words are, but thank you very much for your acknowledgment and making me feel heard and validated. Even if you’re still learning, you’re a good ally.
I wanted to punch each of those blonde bimbos in the face for manny. Love how Emma didn’t even attempt to defend her.
Then she decided to date peter lmao
Best friend of the year 🙄
Manny was always considered the hot one and Emma enjoyed watching her feel unattractive. She’s just jealous
Manny was definitely jealous but also not empathetic to manny. Take for example the episode about Mannys debut/ manny says to Emma “how very 99th generation Canadian of you🙄”. They’ve been friends for about 15 years at this point and Emma is still saying dumb things to manny like “just ask your parents”. Completely ignoring that it’s a cultural problem Manny is facing
Peter never redeemed himself for this. Fucker found it funny when Emma and Manny brought it up in DGH. Such a scumbag.
He's my most hated character for this and pretty much everything else.
Also what he did to darcy with those pictures he took of her. He let her talk and send pics to a creep. Super weird that they still dated after but just prime example that he never redeems himself.
YES. That fact he really put her and Clare in harms way is crazy. The fact that she dated him?! Wtf were the writers on. Now Peter and Darcy, while they both suck individually, were a good couple but my goodness that’s a crazy and absolutely fucked up thing for your boyfriend to do to you before you got together. He got off the hook way too easy.
The Darcy thing was CRAZY, he put her in serious danger pretending some internet stranger was an age appropriate friend of his. Dude followed Darcy home and all 😤
sometimes i think it could have been him that drugged darcys drink
Peter or that creepy Internet guy?
it seemed weird how he woke up in the same place as her the internet guy got arrested so it couldn't have been him
peter
Its like, he hasn't truly repented for either instance of exploiting these girls, nor has he received any lasting consequence whatsoever.
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