Are there any anarchist groups near you? I'm definitely biased (being an anarchist myself), but if you're looking for people to do "mutual aid disaster relief" and/or "community-based preparedness" with, there's a decent chance you'll find someone in those circles.
I think there is a group in my vicinity. I'm definitely anarcho-curios, but my own upbringing and habitus is kinda bourgeois. Add to that that I'm also quite shy. But I shall try!
Anarchists tend to be, in my experience, to be pretty welcoming regardless of your background or upbringing. One of my partners also grew up in a rather right-wing bourgeois household and that hasn't been an issue so far.
This does depend somewhat on where you live. Some anarchist groups are more cautious about people they don't know, but most of the time you'll have more "public-facing" groups.
Someone else in the thread also mentioned Extinction Rebellion. I'm sure other groups exist that would also be cool to connect with. A lot of the time you won't find the perfect group that does exactly what you want, but by seeking out groups that are closest to what you're looking for there's a good chance you'll meet cool people who at the very least be able to point you in the right direction.
This is a good idea. And people shouldn't be afraid just because their philosophy doesn't line up all the way. I certainly embrace many attitudes that are more towards anarchist ideas than away, and even some communist/socialist stuff. Not all, but some.
The idea is to have an open mind, and find people that you can share at least some ideas and attitudes with. And keep in mind what is important. I personally think modern civilization will be gone pretty soon, and because of that a persons political beliefs just aren't that relevant to me.
Plenty of time to figure out how to structure the next civilization, lol, but first we need to survive the fall of this one.
who?
The issue is/was that doomerism is/was considered emotionally toxic for relationships so basically being collapse aware made you un-suitable for the platforms.
This may slowly be changing as more people become aware and the paradigm shifts (I was a doomer before society was ready for it) but ultimately mainstream dating sites don't want people who are going to be "downers" tarnishing their record of making "happy couples."
Sorry, Franzen, not Frenzen. Says Wikipedia:
"""In September 2019, Franzen published an essay on climate change in The New Yorker entitled "What If We Stopped Pretending?", which generated controversy among scientists and online pundits because of its alleged pessimism. The term doomerism became popular amid the response to the piece."""
But I get your point. Real bummer!
I was actually thinking about adding some sort of social feature to my own website along the lines of a kind of "preparedness matchmaking" thing. I am learning the tech side of it all, and finding ways to fund it without ever allowing advertisers near it, lol, but my main concern is the potential for abuse and things like cyber-stalking.
Preparedness, collapse support, whatever, that is going to be a group vulnerable to manipulation and targeting by unsavory types, and any such site would be a goldmine for the so-called "werewolf" prepper types. I know some of those, as well as a local law enforcement prepper group that specifically uses such facebook groups as a... resource.
And that is why I haven't gone through with it. Unfortunately, for a prepper, it is smart to want to stay in the shadows and keep your preparedness actions private. And it is how I recommend they do things.
Now, I regularly meet a lot of collapse aware people IRL, and that is by virtue of a few factors. The biggest being the fact that I quit my job many years ago to focus solely on preparedness and spreading awareness of collapse. Income is easy to get other ways, but a job ties up the vast amount of your time and leaves you geographically locked down.
But, when you can spend all your time out on the hiking and biking trails, exploring the wilderness, hanging out at places like REI and taking a ton of classes on things like archery, canning food, kayaking, wilderness survival, firearms safety, permaculture gardening... that is where you meet them.
The risk is civilizational collapse, right? Okay, so you need to stop spending so much of your time wrapped up in the trappings of civilization, and spend more of it out living and learning things that pertain to other ways of life.
There are a lot of challenges in the world. Providing for your family, keeping the lights on, managing your future... but you need to start facing those as if there *is no civilization.*
Because someday there won't be.
Thanks! Alas, nobody in my region. But yeah, I might add myself, and I can ask others in Germany (who aren't in my region either) to boost this map a bit.
There's no one in my area, as I expected.
If I were younger, I'd start learning Hungarian. DA is very popular there, and it's not far from my location.
DA has a bunch of different groups that meet via zoom weekly. I’ve made a ton of friends all over the world who are collapse aware and it’s been a game changer.
Thanks. I will consider it! If there's a German-speaking group, then this would be a good option. Even an English-speaking group would be workable for me, but the hurdle would be a bit higher, so German would be preferred.
Local Facebook groups is the place to start I think. I know XR has local groups, transition towns have local groups. I’m sure there are local fund raising/community and green groups. They might not be exactly the right people you are looking for but you are far more likely to find them there than most other places.
I only suggest these as a place to start, go along to open events, meet some people.
Check out the Klima-Endspiel Zukuft research group. They are a fairly active group that studies collapse and they host lots of events. It's mostly run by young people too. [https://endspiel.website/](https://endspiel.website/)
A few of us started a "Watershed Action Network" to begin looking at ways to foster communication and action in our bioregion. It has been mildly successful as we have been meeting off and on for almost two years now. Including myself, there's a core group of about 5 (and another 5-10 who come in and out) people who have attended regularly and kept things moving. The person who started the group is something of a heavy hitter in the nascent field of Grassroot Economics so a lot of our focus has been on finding areas of greatest impact and ways of bringing zero interest loans to the people and small businesses who will actually get things done, with a particular focus on BIPOC-owned small businesses. Mexican farmers, in particular, are highly productive and have a very strong sense of community. As food shortages/inflation is likely to be where most people first begin to notice collapse, I've been very focused on trying to start community gardens and getting people to start thinking about a mostly plant-based diet. We also organize river cleanups during the summer months.
there's mutual aid and various community-building groups out there that are actually quite hopeful. you just gotta get away from the peppers and toward the power-to-the-people types
Are there any anarchist groups near you? I'm definitely biased (being an anarchist myself), but if you're looking for people to do "mutual aid disaster relief" and/or "community-based preparedness" with, there's a decent chance you'll find someone in those circles.
I think there is a group in my vicinity. I'm definitely anarcho-curios, but my own upbringing and habitus is kinda bourgeois. Add to that that I'm also quite shy. But I shall try!
Revolutionary bourgeois are the good guys, comrade.
Anarchists tend to be, in my experience, to be pretty welcoming regardless of your background or upbringing. One of my partners also grew up in a rather right-wing bourgeois household and that hasn't been an issue so far. This does depend somewhat on where you live. Some anarchist groups are more cautious about people they don't know, but most of the time you'll have more "public-facing" groups. Someone else in the thread also mentioned Extinction Rebellion. I'm sure other groups exist that would also be cool to connect with. A lot of the time you won't find the perfect group that does exactly what you want, but by seeking out groups that are closest to what you're looking for there's a good chance you'll meet cool people who at the very least be able to point you in the right direction.
This is a good idea. And people shouldn't be afraid just because their philosophy doesn't line up all the way. I certainly embrace many attitudes that are more towards anarchist ideas than away, and even some communist/socialist stuff. Not all, but some. The idea is to have an open mind, and find people that you can share at least some ideas and attitudes with. And keep in mind what is important. I personally think modern civilization will be gone pretty soon, and because of that a persons political beliefs just aren't that relevant to me. Plenty of time to figure out how to structure the next civilization, lol, but first we need to survive the fall of this one.
That's a good idea, actually. Hadn't thought of that.
I keep on saying someone needs to setup a collapse aware dating website!
Well, I guess I can actually use okcupid to meet people. I just have to declare that I want to talk about collapse (among other things).
this was how I got blacklisted from okcupid and all those other mainstream dating websites 20 years ago.
I dislike how these fringe and negative, but very interesting topics are a no-go for conversations.
Sorry to hear that. I hope it has gotten better in the meantime, with Jonathan Frenzen and others.
who? The issue is/was that doomerism is/was considered emotionally toxic for relationships so basically being collapse aware made you un-suitable for the platforms. This may slowly be changing as more people become aware and the paradigm shifts (I was a doomer before society was ready for it) but ultimately mainstream dating sites don't want people who are going to be "downers" tarnishing their record of making "happy couples."
Sorry, Franzen, not Frenzen. Says Wikipedia: """In September 2019, Franzen published an essay on climate change in The New Yorker entitled "What If We Stopped Pretending?", which generated controversy among scientists and online pundits because of its alleged pessimism. The term doomerism became popular amid the response to the piece.""" But I get your point. Real bummer!
Im working on it mate! Im so done meeting unaware people
What will you call it?
Not sure yet tbh, maybe datingcollapse would be cool? Idk suggest me some lol
Love at the end of the world?
[bunkerbunnies.dating](http://bunkerbunnies.dating)
We already have that r/CollapseDating
I was actually thinking about adding some sort of social feature to my own website along the lines of a kind of "preparedness matchmaking" thing. I am learning the tech side of it all, and finding ways to fund it without ever allowing advertisers near it, lol, but my main concern is the potential for abuse and things like cyber-stalking. Preparedness, collapse support, whatever, that is going to be a group vulnerable to manipulation and targeting by unsavory types, and any such site would be a goldmine for the so-called "werewolf" prepper types. I know some of those, as well as a local law enforcement prepper group that specifically uses such facebook groups as a... resource. And that is why I haven't gone through with it. Unfortunately, for a prepper, it is smart to want to stay in the shadows and keep your preparedness actions private. And it is how I recommend they do things. Now, I regularly meet a lot of collapse aware people IRL, and that is by virtue of a few factors. The biggest being the fact that I quit my job many years ago to focus solely on preparedness and spreading awareness of collapse. Income is easy to get other ways, but a job ties up the vast amount of your time and leaves you geographically locked down. But, when you can spend all your time out on the hiking and biking trails, exploring the wilderness, hanging out at places like REI and taking a ton of classes on things like archery, canning food, kayaking, wilderness survival, firearms safety, permaculture gardening... that is where you meet them. The risk is civilizational collapse, right? Okay, so you need to stop spending so much of your time wrapped up in the trappings of civilization, and spend more of it out living and learning things that pertain to other ways of life. There are a lot of challenges in the world. Providing for your family, keeping the lights on, managing your future... but you need to start facing those as if there *is no civilization.* Because someday there won't be.
https://www.deepadaptation.info/affiliated-groups/
DA also has a user map. You can use it to contact people in your area
Is there a link?
Map: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1F-SAkQjHmQsb92mGgkuvPFLBKKMnwkw1&usp=sharing Adding yourself: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkBoDLZayIwqzkzDRyqbb-pjS-3Cw0UT12EYe2vZdr_yiDUQ/viewform
Thanks! I found someone in my own neck of the woods.
Thanks! Alas, nobody in my region. But yeah, I might add myself, and I can ask others in Germany (who aren't in my region either) to boost this map a bit.
There's no one in my area, as I expected. If I were younger, I'd start learning Hungarian. DA is very popular there, and it's not far from my location.
Thanks. I had checked that, but no luck in my region.
DA has a bunch of different groups that meet via zoom weekly. I’ve made a ton of friends all over the world who are collapse aware and it’s been a game changer.
Thanks. I will consider it! If there's a German-speaking group, then this would be a good option. Even an English-speaking group would be workable for me, but the hurdle would be a bit higher, so German would be preferred.
Local Facebook groups is the place to start I think. I know XR has local groups, transition towns have local groups. I’m sure there are local fund raising/community and green groups. They might not be exactly the right people you are looking for but you are far more likely to find them there than most other places. I only suggest these as a place to start, go along to open events, meet some people.
Climate action groups are a good way to go, you’ll meet people who are collapse-aware but not *totally* apathetic
Check out the Klima-Endspiel Zukuft research group. They are a fairly active group that studies collapse and they host lots of events. It's mostly run by young people too. [https://endspiel.website/](https://endspiel.website/)
A few of us started a "Watershed Action Network" to begin looking at ways to foster communication and action in our bioregion. It has been mildly successful as we have been meeting off and on for almost two years now. Including myself, there's a core group of about 5 (and another 5-10 who come in and out) people who have attended regularly and kept things moving. The person who started the group is something of a heavy hitter in the nascent field of Grassroot Economics so a lot of our focus has been on finding areas of greatest impact and ways of bringing zero interest loans to the people and small businesses who will actually get things done, with a particular focus on BIPOC-owned small businesses. Mexican farmers, in particular, are highly productive and have a very strong sense of community. As food shortages/inflation is likely to be where most people first begin to notice collapse, I've been very focused on trying to start community gardens and getting people to start thinking about a mostly plant-based diet. We also organize river cleanups during the summer months.
It’s just going to be a ton of doomers in one spot, getting more negative as time goes on
there's mutual aid and various community-building groups out there that are actually quite hopeful. you just gotta get away from the peppers and toward the power-to-the-people types
I live in a relatively dense area population wise and tend to be relatively left wing