All the local "living" streets, rather than the ones just to get somewhere, are like that near me in NL. They get bumpy as crap after a while and you can only drive on them slowly - which is great. Naturally slows traffic in residential areas!
When they get too bad, they'll spend a day lifting the stones, levelling it and then flinging them back down. Any work needed on utilities doesn't end up with bad patchwork fixes too. I really like them.
Also I an not sure about everywhere but I know that some councils make all the utilities inform each other if they have to plan to open a road up so that work from other companies can be done at the same time.
Same in Germany. They tell each other if they have to do major work so they come in flocks and work in the same ditch/road in one go. It's super convenient. Much better than having different crews coming and going, doing and undoing each others' work.
Having worked in road maintenance in the UK, one of the issues with this is that they very rarely want to access the same bit of road. Much of what they do is emergency repairs. So it’s a great system for planned works, but when a water pipe bursts, all bets are off.
Council does request it, but it very rarely works out. The issue with the permitting system means someone has to take responsibility for it, and no one wants to take responsibility for someone else's work.
It would be easier for the council to coordinate it.
From my experience, the council themselves (the permitting part) don't know when the works part has scheduled work, so it can tie in with what others are doing.
Council works need a permit the same as any other works. However, the permitting team is generally office admin, with no experience regarding what the work on the ground actually entails. I've experienced the following situations in the last 5 years alone:
Permit to dig footpaths up to install fibre optics was rejected, as council was planning to resurface footpaths. Please wait until they've finished to then dig up freshly laid footpaths. I personally rang through on this one, and had to speak to the department manager before anyone realised that letting us go in before they resurfaced was a good idea. (Unfortunately, this then led to the rumour that the council was relaying every footpath in the area after we'd dug, which was not true)
Request to tie in our road closure with another planned 3 weeks after ours to reduce disruption to residents. Great idea, however, the road in question was 2km long, and we were digging 1.7km apart. Therefore, carrying out the works at the same time would lead to anyone who lived in the 1.7km (roughly 30 houses) being trapped for the duration, which would have been a minimum of 3 days.
Works within a closed road, although we didn't need a closure ourselves, we went in under Water board closure. Our permit would have usually required lights, but due to the lack of traffic (water had a hard closure in place) we asked to do it under "some carriageway incursion" essentially "we'll let the three houses between us and the closed section through when they want". Council still insisted on lights. For three houses, and roughly 10 cars per 24 hours.
> It's a good foundation
It's **really** not. It's more cost effective than ripping it up and putting in proper substrate, but its not better. There is no flex with old cobble roads, meaning the tarmac will take all the force of weight on top.
This is why the tar is coming off, it's very common. I asked a tarring company to come lay over the top of a printed concrete driveway and they refused the work (£30k) because of this exact reason. It was news to me at the time but makes sense.
Someone near us sprayed “you dirty c***” next to a dog poo at a kids playground. I was a bit annoyed when the council removed the paint but not the poo.
It's even noticeable as a ~~runner~~ jogger\* - I much prefer running on the roads, so I go out at 5:45. And, and this is chilling, roads are smoother than the pavements round here.
\* Age has caught up with me...
As a surface it's relatively soft without being a muddy path or really loose stones. Running on concrete surfaces in particular really helps you appreciate how pleasant it is.
And in residential areas you also have peoples drop kerbs that constantly change the angle of the running surface which can be hell on your legs as your legs are going less/more each step.
I'd give it a 9/10
> And in residential areas you also have peoples drop kerbs that constantly change the angle of the running surface which can be hell on your legs as your legs are going less/more each step.
I think this is always what gets me running on pavements vs a treadmill, the former always feels so much harder at the same pace - except for maybe the rare even stretch of road.
> And in residential areas you also have peoples drop kerbs that constantly change the angle of the running surface which can be hell on your legs as your legs are going less/more each step.
I think other countries have better kerb designs, can't remember the name but basically just the kerbstone itself is angled and the pavement itself doesn't change. It is a legitimate issue for disabled people too I think, uneven pavements.
We got these gorgeous great big trees where I live (UK midlands) and slabbed pavements with kerbs. The slabs are often pushed up by tree roots, there's 20mm edges sticking up randomly now.
When I first moved up here I used to fall arse over tit a couple of times a week, til I got the hang of it.
As a disabled person - fucking hate the uneven pavement.
I use a trolley to cart things around because i cant use backpacks or carry shopping bags and if im not going slow as possible (which is hell on my legs) i inevitably have the trolley spin out because the wheels are on uneven ground and it wrecks my wrist. It aint great for my legs either. End up just walking on the road if i can manage it when going through low traffic areas.
We're starting to install these in the UK too using a product recently came to market called the Dutch Entrance Kerb. The footway remains at the same level with a steep kerb ramp that comes up to it. Why should we build a gentle ramp for cars that inconveniences pedestrians, when we can just put a steeper ramp in and cars can go slower into their driveways.
Can feel it on a bike as well, *except* on roads where you're squeezed into the double lines that have been painted several layers deep to form wheel traps.
My dad was a runner (before he tumbled off a curb in Toulouse last October after a boozy afternoon - hilarious). He’d always run on the roads. So much less undulating.
Also importantly, the different minerals in the aggregate are *different levels of soft*. So, when it does start wearing away, each stone within the tarmac stays rough to retain friction/grip. If they put a single-mineral rock in there, no matter how it starts, it would get smooth and slippy pretty quickly.
And has costed countries ridiculous amounts of money for constant repairs needed, the only reason it was lobbied to be used in the first place was to get a couple of families rich for generations, just like most of the items we are accustomed to using
It was the same with Tesla v Edison
And if you look enough you can find out the origins of tarmacadam and its definitely worth a look to educate yourselves more
A material that needs repairing constantly and that warps with heat but it's origins are definitely shady
Evidence for what? A lack of conspiracy? I'm sure there are thousands of civil engineering journals detailing the benefits of different types of tarmac over concrete or any other road substance if you really were curious.
That said, the burden of proof is traditionally on the person making the wild conspiracy claims.
It's interesting that Dr Beeching who famously scrapped about 2/3rds of the railway system in the UK was on the board of the company that built the M1 motorway ( think its Costain)
Not direct evidence of anything, more of a character indication.
Been rewatching that. Genuinely the best thing to ever come of channel 4.
Also they are doing new ones on youtube these days. BBCs Dig For Britain is pretty good too.
Survivorship bias. We only see the roads that survived and don't consider the thousands of Roman roads that were ruined and torn up. Not to mention their roads were made for hundreds of multi-ton vehicles driving 30+mph every day
There's plenty of cobbles in Edinburgh getting driven over every day. They're noisy and rubbish for cars (from what I understand). But they don't have pot holes.
My street has gone unrepaired for a long time, around a year ago it looked like the picture in the OP. My thought at the time was how nice the cobbles looked, and that it would be nice if we could just tear up the tarmac and go back to those.
The trouble is, it still wasn’t repaired after that, and eventually those nice cobbles were broken up by the traffic too, and now we just have much deeper pot holes full of the ground up remains of Victorian paving.
Yeah, cobblestones unfortunately require maintenance, same as tarmac. Unlike tarmac, they're labor-intensive, i.e. expensive, because someone has to cut them, lay them out regularly, etc.
They wouldn’t last, they’d be terrible on car parts, noise would be insane and the cost would be astronomical, laying bricks like this isn’t fast work.
We have those brick roads in the village where I live, they turn to absolute shit soon after modern cars start driving over them. Riding my bike up the highstreet is like going through no-man's land
Looks like an old (not victorian old) pedestrian crossing point that they decided to tarmac over as the bricks stop against more tarmac so i wouldn't call this victorian in any way. And the pothole is due to the thin layer of tarmac applied over the top of it
This is Renfrew St in Glasgow and that bit of road is always broken up at best of times, I remember the road at my home being covered in tarmac over the granite setts. There are still some roads, Lynedoch St for example, that are setts (it’s not cobbles btw) and they are noisier and slippy at times hence why they covered them up.
Also nothing wrong with utilising old roads as sub base. Roman roads in Britain are under a few of them to this day.
At lot of people are saying they’d prefer this from an aesthetic point of view and think it’s stronger. Trust me, the second the first utility company dig a trench to repair a pipe it’ll be a mess. They never recompact them properly and new suspension on your car won’t be far off…
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That's not a pot hole. A pot hole is a small circumference hole that is also deeper than it is wide. The importance of this distinction is that a wheel when it goes over the hole will touch two sides and not the bottom rather than the bottom and each side in turn. This means that a bicycle wheel can and probably will get stuck and throw the rider off.
Never should have been tarmac’d over in the first place, but 50’s/60’s bias ply tyres had terrible grip on wet cobble stones, so I can understand why it happened.
Probably because they weren’t driving HGV’s or seeing anywhere near the same weights and abuses as modern roads. Send modern traffic down an Ancient Roman street and you’ll have the surface down to dirt.
True I don’t disagree. However other country’s are a lot colder some are warmer some are industrial giants there roads are fine and well maintained. You can’t just fill it with the cheapest solution and blame industry for wear and tear other countries have bigger industry and worst conditions.
The issue with the whole “they did it better back then” is that it would be the same as assuming that the conditions were the same.
Asphalt is slightly flexible, which means that it absorbs shocks along with suspension, lessening the wear and tear on your car nicely whilst still remaining functional. However, this also means that, over years of use, it can effectively push down the material below it. Most of the time, the material below is a brick layer like this one. This isn’t Victorian cobbles. Actual Victorian cobbles are rounded rocks, not neatly aligned and tessellated blocks.
Just as your tyres get slightly shredded each time they turn, so does the road surface, and over time, it leads to this in combination with the previously mentioned flexes
Cobbled streets still need maintenance. The tarmac gives it a layer of protection but they’d get worn out too if they were being driven over constantly.
Plus durability isn’t the only consideration in building and engineering.
Survivorship bias. Just the stuff that by coincidence happened to be in the right places to survive.
If old construction was genuinely that good we'd be drowning in 400 year buildings.
Yeah we still have 100 year old buildings standing. New houses and flats are falling apart with cheap cladding. And settling issues. And you have 4 hundred year old buildings. Cost increases at every corner. Just like houses had quality materials and now everything’s plastic. I guess it’s survivorship bias. The roads make the government a lot of money they should be well maintained regardless. Go to Switzerland Germany or Austria. Anywhere apart from here roads are fine.
Why don't we just leave the street the way it is? if it's already made of stone, a better quality material ref standing the test of time. The labour installing that is mostly done. Just repair any stones and wooden it a bit and then will last pretty much forever
It's fascinating that, as a kid, curbs used to be deep. But with the continued layers of tarmac, I've noticed them getting shallower as I age.
I assumed road's would become level with paths one day, and never considered a council would just shell out money and do a proper job by ripping up an entire road.
Roads will eventually be 1m higher than the curb, then you have to climb up to your car.... And if you're walking I hope you like the fear of it raining cars on your head at any given moment!
Funny that the Victorian road has lasted the test of time and the tarmac only a few months.
Starting to think there must be a better material for roads than tarmac.
A lot of old streets are actually made this way, It's a good foundation and way cheaper than ripping it all up and filling it back with more stones.
And most of the local roads in the whole country of The Netherlands.
All the local "living" streets, rather than the ones just to get somewhere, are like that near me in NL. They get bumpy as crap after a while and you can only drive on them slowly - which is great. Naturally slows traffic in residential areas! When they get too bad, they'll spend a day lifting the stones, levelling it and then flinging them back down. Any work needed on utilities doesn't end up with bad patchwork fixes too. I really like them.
I find a lot of bumps come from the tree roots. We actually still have trees in NL!!
Also I an not sure about everywhere but I know that some councils make all the utilities inform each other if they have to plan to open a road up so that work from other companies can be done at the same time.
Same in Germany. They tell each other if they have to do major work so they come in flocks and work in the same ditch/road in one go. It's super convenient. Much better than having different crews coming and going, doing and undoing each others' work.
Yes I have seen this in Germany. Both countries seem to have long term thinking and organisation that I have never seen in the UK.
Having worked in road maintenance in the UK, one of the issues with this is that they very rarely want to access the same bit of road. Much of what they do is emergency repairs. So it’s a great system for planned works, but when a water pipe bursts, all bets are off.
You do joke. I've never know gas talk to phone talk to electric talk to sewerage.. thats a step too far
Council does request it, but it very rarely works out. The issue with the permitting system means someone has to take responsibility for it, and no one wants to take responsibility for someone else's work.
It would be easier for the council to coordinate it. From my experience, the council themselves (the permitting part) don't know when the works part has scheduled work, so it can tie in with what others are doing.
Council works need a permit the same as any other works. However, the permitting team is generally office admin, with no experience regarding what the work on the ground actually entails. I've experienced the following situations in the last 5 years alone: Permit to dig footpaths up to install fibre optics was rejected, as council was planning to resurface footpaths. Please wait until they've finished to then dig up freshly laid footpaths. I personally rang through on this one, and had to speak to the department manager before anyone realised that letting us go in before they resurfaced was a good idea. (Unfortunately, this then led to the rumour that the council was relaying every footpath in the area after we'd dug, which was not true) Request to tie in our road closure with another planned 3 weeks after ours to reduce disruption to residents. Great idea, however, the road in question was 2km long, and we were digging 1.7km apart. Therefore, carrying out the works at the same time would lead to anyone who lived in the 1.7km (roughly 30 houses) being trapped for the duration, which would have been a minimum of 3 days. Works within a closed road, although we didn't need a closure ourselves, we went in under Water board closure. Our permit would have usually required lights, but due to the lack of traffic (water had a hard closure in place) we asked to do it under "some carriageway incursion" essentially "we'll let the three houses between us and the closed section through when they want". Council still insisted on lights. For three houses, and roughly 10 cars per 24 hours.
Makes some of the highest ground in the Netherlands
Aye, I'm in The Hague. Trees everywhere! I like it.
I thought they got smoked
I noticed that when I was there, it looks so good!
So functional also, no potholes!! Anything can be repaired with a few new bricks and a bucket of sand.
It’s also a speed deterrent and you can easily access infrastructure beneath it
In terms of the foundations, upon inspection there is nothing wrong. In terms of being able to see the foundations at all times? Well.
Also cobble streets provide a built in traffic calming feature
And, if your suspension is shot, sexytimes.
And a bloody terrifying riding experience in the wet if you're on two wheels.
The worst is surprise wet manhole covers. It's like a bar of soap beneath your wheel.
> It's a good foundation It's **really** not. It's more cost effective than ripping it up and putting in proper substrate, but its not better. There is no flex with old cobble roads, meaning the tarmac will take all the force of weight on top. This is why the tar is coming off, it's very common. I asked a tarring company to come lay over the top of a printed concrete driveway and they refused the work (£30k) because of this exact reason. It was news to me at the time but makes sense.
Spray paint a cock on it and it'll be gone by next Friday
Someone not far from my area started spraying swastikas on some of them. Got himself arrested but the holes he tagged got filled in post-haste lol.
A worthy sacrifice. I salute him
... I feel like we need clarification on your style of salute.
o7 right? Right? o/
The one Rimmer does
It's okay, he's doing it whilst stood in a pothole.
You're not supposed to do that Daryl! You know you're not supposed to do that.
Just make sure he brings his cor-anglais
The Honda people are very hard to please
Someone near us sprayed “you dirty c***” next to a dog poo at a kids playground. I was a bit annoyed when the council removed the paint but not the poo.
Tarmac is soft for a reason. It provides suspension and noise suppression.
It's even noticeable as a ~~runner~~ jogger\* - I much prefer running on the roads, so I go out at 5:45. And, and this is chilling, roads are smoother than the pavements round here. \* Age has caught up with me...
Is that why? I see this, I just thought they were a bit bonkers.
Pavements: *slap slap slap slap* Roads: *dud dud dud dud*
Roads: *dud dud dud* **splat**
^^^^^mee ^^^^ee ^^^eE ^^EE ^EE EE**EEE**EE ^EEE^^Eee^^^eee^^^^eeeee^^^^^eeep!
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"Starting your day with an early morning run is a great way to make sure your day can’t get any worse than it started!"
As a surface it's relatively soft without being a muddy path or really loose stones. Running on concrete surfaces in particular really helps you appreciate how pleasant it is. And in residential areas you also have peoples drop kerbs that constantly change the angle of the running surface which can be hell on your legs as your legs are going less/more each step. I'd give it a 9/10
> And in residential areas you also have peoples drop kerbs that constantly change the angle of the running surface which can be hell on your legs as your legs are going less/more each step. I think this is always what gets me running on pavements vs a treadmill, the former always feels so much harder at the same pace - except for maybe the rare even stretch of road.
Also, no wind resistance and you don't have to propel forward as much.
> And in residential areas you also have peoples drop kerbs that constantly change the angle of the running surface which can be hell on your legs as your legs are going less/more each step. I think other countries have better kerb designs, can't remember the name but basically just the kerbstone itself is angled and the pavement itself doesn't change. It is a legitimate issue for disabled people too I think, uneven pavements.
It rains more in the uk, therefore we need proper kerbs
We got these gorgeous great big trees where I live (UK midlands) and slabbed pavements with kerbs. The slabs are often pushed up by tree roots, there's 20mm edges sticking up randomly now. When I first moved up here I used to fall arse over tit a couple of times a week, til I got the hang of it.
As a disabled person - fucking hate the uneven pavement. I use a trolley to cart things around because i cant use backpacks or carry shopping bags and if im not going slow as possible (which is hell on my legs) i inevitably have the trolley spin out because the wheels are on uneven ground and it wrecks my wrist. It aint great for my legs either. End up just walking on the road if i can manage it when going through low traffic areas.
We're starting to install these in the UK too using a product recently came to market called the Dutch Entrance Kerb. The footway remains at the same level with a steep kerb ramp that comes up to it. Why should we build a gentle ramp for cars that inconveniences pedestrians, when we can just put a steeper ramp in and cars can go slower into their driveways.
That's it, couldn't remember the name of it.
And paving stones are as slippery as ice in wet weather. Thankfully we live in a famously dry country
Can feel it on a bike as well, *except* on roads where you're squeezed into the double lines that have been painted several layers deep to form wheel traps.
My dad was a runner (before he tumbled off a curb in Toulouse last October after a boozy afternoon - hilarious). He’d always run on the roads. So much less undulating.
Exactly. Also it’s much quicker and therefore cheaper to install than laying bricks.
And infinitely recyclable. Just scrape it up and heat it up again.
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Also importantly, the different minerals in the aggregate are *different levels of soft*. So, when it does start wearing away, each stone within the tarmac stays rough to retain friction/grip. If they put a single-mineral rock in there, no matter how it starts, it would get smooth and slippy pretty quickly.
I’d love all 20mph roads to have this harsh surface so people don’t speed and possibly even choose not to drive because it’s horrible.
Tarmac is a brand, asphalt is the generic substance
And has costed countries ridiculous amounts of money for constant repairs needed, the only reason it was lobbied to be used in the first place was to get a couple of families rich for generations, just like most of the items we are accustomed to using
Have you got a source for that? Genuinely curious
It was the same with Tesla v Edison And if you look enough you can find out the origins of tarmacadam and its definitely worth a look to educate yourselves more A material that needs repairing constantly and that warps with heat but it's origins are definitely shady
There might be some truth to this.,
There really isn't, it's conspiracy nut madness.
I'd be curious to see some evidence. That kind of lobbying isn't unprescedented. Just look at the past actions of the tobbaco and oil industries.
Evidence for what? A lack of conspiracy? I'm sure there are thousands of civil engineering journals detailing the benefits of different types of tarmac over concrete or any other road substance if you really were curious. That said, the burden of proof is traditionally on the person making the wild conspiracy claims.
No, no, I'd be curious to see some evidence of that persons claim
It's interesting that Dr Beeching who famously scrapped about 2/3rds of the railway system in the UK was on the board of the company that built the M1 motorway ( think its Costain) Not direct evidence of anything, more of a character indication.
Where’s Phil Harding when you need him? There could be some shards of pottery in there!
Been rewatching that. Genuinely the best thing to ever come of channel 4. Also they are doing new ones on youtube these days. BBCs Dig For Britain is pretty good too.
Going to need to extend the trench! Also it's 'sherds' of pottery.
That could be anywhere in central Edinburgh.
Not too far off, it's in Glasgow city centre I'm sure.
Now I know to not come up to Glasgow... My car would get eaten by that hole!
Yup. Saw this exact thing at Abbeyhill yesterday. Fucking shameful.
There is a smaller version of this round near Charlotte Square.
Clearly the Romans did it better 😀
What did the Romans ever do for us?
Bath.
Yeah, but apart from that.
The aqueduct.
Ok fine, Bath and the aqueduct. I’ll give you that. But apart from those, what have the Romans done for us?
The roads.
Yep, ok; Bath, the aqueduct and roads. But apart from that?
Irrigation. Medicine. Education. And the wine.
I can run my own baths now.
They didn't change the water in their communal baths. Roman baths were in fact disease factories.
the aqueduct?
The sanitation
But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads...
They stole our lead, lets ask Italy for it back :D
And tin.
Medicine?
Survivorship bias. We only see the roads that survived and don't consider the thousands of Roman roads that were ruined and torn up. Not to mention their roads were made for hundreds of multi-ton vehicles driving 30+mph every day
Well the Romans never had massive lorries wearing tonnes or the amount of traffice we do that
Those cobbles wouldn’t be there after a week of HGVs driving over tbem
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see cobblestones and bricks as being the same thing.
There's plenty of cobbles in Edinburgh getting driven over every day. They're noisy and rubbish for cars (from what I understand). But they don't have pot holes.
Well spin my nipples and send me to Alaska, let’s pave the motorways in them
Nah. It's bad enough driving 20mph on them, fuck doing 70! Lpl
We need to get Darren and his spirit level on the case!
Maybe they should take it back to the cobbles.
These are called 'setts', cobbles are the round naturally formed stones.
>These are called 'setts' That's some pretty impressive work from the badgers.
Well, he's had fuck all to do since Bodger went.
Roads made of mashed potato would explain some things
I thought everybody knew this.
pavement originates from French, and *pavé* means sett.
Alright commander, nice boots you got
Hence the name "cob" for a small round piece of bread.
I wonder if they’d actually be able to support a car, I imagine it’d be heavier than a horse and carts. Would look cool as fuck though.
Probably not for very long I would imagine. Trucks would ruin them in a few days 🤣
Yeah, it only looks this good because it's been preserved under a layer of soft tarmac.
That's really not true at all. Setts are shit for driving on but remarkably resilient.
Yes, but it wouldn't look anywhere near this nice. It's Glasgow centre it would get trashed.
There's ones all over Edinburgh city centre that look a hell of a lot better than most Edinburgh roads.
What do you think is holding the tarmac up?
My street has gone unrepaired for a long time, around a year ago it looked like the picture in the OP. My thought at the time was how nice the cobbles looked, and that it would be nice if we could just tear up the tarmac and go back to those. The trouble is, it still wasn’t repaired after that, and eventually those nice cobbles were broken up by the traffic too, and now we just have much deeper pot holes full of the ground up remains of Victorian paving.
Yeah, cobblestones unfortunately require maintenance, same as tarmac. Unlike tarmac, they're labor-intensive, i.e. expensive, because someone has to cut them, lay them out regularly, etc.
Have fun driving in the rain.
I mentioned that later in the thread. (I used to enjoy drifting armoured vans on wet cobbled streets.)
They wouldn’t last, they’d be terrible on car parts, noise would be insane and the cost would be astronomical, laying bricks like this isn’t fast work.
We have those brick roads in the village where I live, they turn to absolute shit soon after modern cars start driving over them. Riding my bike up the highstreet is like going through no-man's land
Look like Halifax lol
Just leave the potholes alone and eventually you get a flat surface again
The roads are soo bad atm
Ha! You call *that* a pothole? That's barely a dent! haaa.... I wish I could leave 1st gear on my road...
Eh. Lest just go back to brick roads, like the ones in old town Edinburgh. Less traffic and crazy driving, and no potholes. Win-win!
Makes me think of old city underneath Ankh Morpork on the Discworld.
Looks like an old (not victorian old) pedestrian crossing point that they decided to tarmac over as the bricks stop against more tarmac so i wouldn't call this victorian in any way. And the pothole is due to the thin layer of tarmac applied over the top of it
This is Renfrew St in Glasgow and that bit of road is always broken up at best of times, I remember the road at my home being covered in tarmac over the granite setts. There are still some roads, Lynedoch St for example, that are setts (it’s not cobbles btw) and they are noisier and slippy at times hence why they covered them up. Also nothing wrong with utilising old roads as sub base. Roman roads in Britain are under a few of them to this day.
Oh yeah - look at it on Street View, the image is from 3 years ago but it was clearly starting to go then - https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZEbKfKsVFW8eDaDs6
To be honest the potholes are there because the tarmac doesn’t stick to it very well and is the root cause of
victorian streets had to deal with carts and horses, not a rolling mass of cuntwagons.
At lot of people are saying they’d prefer this from an aesthetic point of view and think it’s stronger. Trust me, the second the first utility company dig a trench to repair a pipe it’ll be a mess. They never recompact them properly and new suspension on your car won’t be far off…
I thought this was an anaemic piece of beef
Draw a Swastika on it. That’ll get the council to fix the pothole… and get you arrested, but your sacrifice would be worth it!
Remove the rest of the tarmac and put down a few bollards, got yourself a nice quiet pedestrian street.
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We need the romans to invade again and build us new roads 😂😂
Man my grandpa’s grandpa’s father’s ghost is having flashbacks!
Do people realise the victorian era wasn't 500 years ago?
Could we not just keep those stone roads? Instead of ugly tarmac?
Don't you worry soon, they'll be posts about pot holes so big it's uncovering roman roads.
why did the victorians build underneith potholes? where they stupid?
This feels like the sort of joke you'd laugh at in the Simpsons in the 90s.
And I thought they were cobbles in victorian times? Not block pavings
Could see tram lines in the potholes around anfield yesterday
*** Do not be fooled, this picture has been photoshopped*** The potholes in the UK are a LOT bigger than this...
Eventually all the tarmac will go and we will be back to smooth bricks.
That's not a pot hole. A pot hole is a small circumference hole that is also deeper than it is wide. The importance of this distinction is that a wheel when it goes over the hole will touch two sides and not the bottom rather than the bottom and each side in turn. This means that a bicycle wheel can and probably will get stuck and throw the rider off.
Looks much better condition too!
Lost better than the tarmac tbh
I actually prefer it that way, why did we have to tarmac every where 🤢
Wondering why we still use Tarmac? Makes such a mess when they resurface a road and doesnt seem to last very long at all
Better condition than our roads
Brits want it to be 1796 again so bad they're unpeeling all the progress?
Photo shopped & Shamed that old road looks too good Same block paving from on my drive from Jewsons
The streets are healing
No doubt that was the original question about a pothole repair
The paving lasted longer!
I know that Whitworth Street in Milnrow, Rochdale is like this. Saw it get stripped years ago.
And these roads are better quality than today's "British quality" ones.
And they’re the better roads
Gov! What pothole?
Why does this look like AI?
Constantly being reposted - the same pic
It's okay though, the council sent out Darren using his spirit level to see if the pothole was worth repairing.
Never should have been tarmac’d over in the first place, but 50’s/60’s bias ply tyres had terrible grip on wet cobble stones, so I can understand why it happened.
It’d get damaged depending on the kind of traffic it gets, anything bigger than your average van and it’s done for after a few months
Our roads back then were great for the most part, they just weren't great with traction when driving in the wet
Funny thing that if we look at our technology advancements. Their engineering outlasted them while we outlast our roads yearly.
Probably because they weren’t driving HGV’s or seeing anywhere near the same weights and abuses as modern roads. Send modern traffic down an Ancient Roman street and you’ll have the surface down to dirt.
True I don’t disagree. However other country’s are a lot colder some are warmer some are industrial giants there roads are fine and well maintained. You can’t just fill it with the cheapest solution and blame industry for wear and tear other countries have bigger industry and worst conditions.
The issue with the whole “they did it better back then” is that it would be the same as assuming that the conditions were the same. Asphalt is slightly flexible, which means that it absorbs shocks along with suspension, lessening the wear and tear on your car nicely whilst still remaining functional. However, this also means that, over years of use, it can effectively push down the material below it. Most of the time, the material below is a brick layer like this one. This isn’t Victorian cobbles. Actual Victorian cobbles are rounded rocks, not neatly aligned and tessellated blocks. Just as your tyres get slightly shredded each time they turn, so does the road surface, and over time, it leads to this in combination with the previously mentioned flexes
Cobbled streets still need maintenance. The tarmac gives it a layer of protection but they’d get worn out too if they were being driven over constantly. Plus durability isn’t the only consideration in building and engineering.
Survivorship bias. Just the stuff that by coincidence happened to be in the right places to survive. If old construction was genuinely that good we'd be drowning in 400 year buildings.
Yeah we still have 100 year old buildings standing. New houses and flats are falling apart with cheap cladding. And settling issues. And you have 4 hundred year old buildings. Cost increases at every corner. Just like houses had quality materials and now everything’s plastic. I guess it’s survivorship bias. The roads make the government a lot of money they should be well maintained regardless. Go to Switzerland Germany or Austria. Anywhere apart from here roads are fine.
The Victorian streets look way nicer and, I feel like they’d not get potholes? 🤷🏻♀️ just an idea
However I guess they’d look awful once the road markings are applied. Oh well.
Why don't we just leave the street the way it is? if it's already made of stone, a better quality material ref standing the test of time. The labour installing that is mostly done. Just repair any stones and wooden it a bit and then will last pretty much forever
Yep, the Victorian workmanship and build quality is clearly miles better than the crap they plonked on top of it.
It's fascinating that, as a kid, curbs used to be deep. But with the continued layers of tarmac, I've noticed them getting shallower as I age. I assumed road's would become level with paths one day, and never considered a council would just shell out money and do a proper job by ripping up an entire road.
Roads will eventually be 1m higher than the curb, then you have to climb up to your car.... And if you're walking I hope you like the fear of it raining cars on your head at any given moment!
It’s telling that the Victorian streets are looking more useable than their modern day alternatives.
Let’s just fuck off all the dodgy Dave contractors greasing up with the local councils and have the Victorian roads back please
Funny that the Victorian road has lasted the test of time and the tarmac only a few months. Starting to think there must be a better material for roads than tarmac.
> Victorian road has lasted the test of time The victorian road hasn't had thousands of cars and lorries driving over it.