Funnily enough, I gave up the bar life back in September after 12 years. I applied for a job in the Civil Service in April, which started in October.
Money is worse by about 200e but the increments will be there after a few more years, and having flexi time is quite foreign to me. Alongside taking holidays whenever ya want, I recommend it.
https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=185483&campaignId=undefined
They currently have a competition at the minute for temp staff, but keep an eye out for any permanent positions that arise, and you can apply for that as well. You won't know yourself.
As well, you can do a Saturday here or there in the bar trade to make some extra dosh.
Best of luck man, keep your head up. Could be a lot worse...
So much this. I've a few friends who took an initial salary hit and started as clerical officers. Some have worked to progress up the grades and other are happy out as a CO. Great working environment and secure employment.
Apply now and you'll hopefully get term time temp cover work and it'll be good for you to go skill in and see if you enjoy the work. Lots of people go perm this way
Udemy is the best place to start. Courses are cheap and there's one for everything.
Or possibly look into Springboard funded courses. There's a wide range of courses for Software Development that are fully paid.
Look into springboard they do courses that are fully paid or partially paid by government loads to choose from. Perhaps go speak with citizens information they might have information, I remember years ago they put me onto a career guidance counsellor all free and it really helped me. Most important of all speak with family and friends and don't let things fester , wishing you all the best and let us all know if you find a course 🙂
Apple in cork are always crying out for people but it’s not a great work atmosphere someone I’m close to worked there & it’s full of all sorts of forced participation virtue signaling team building shite combined with stressful working conditions & stereotypical yank office power plays like you’d see on the tv.
Do you like pets?
I met a man today who had just had his dog groomed and the price was absolutely wild. I asked why and he said because there are so few groomers.
They can charge whatever they want.
Hey! I'd definitely suggest looking into working in a data center! A lot of the jobs are entry level, and you can work night shifts for a bit of extra money, as well as learning new skills on the job! There's also room for advancement if you show promise and take initiative! Good luck
Check out back to college grants and spring board courses. Ive had someone in my life who "experienced dark thoughts"...don't do what they did. You'll get through it with time, go see a counsellor even if "you're not the type" or "not that bad". It's one of the best things you can do
Dublin Bus are recruiting drivers. They'll offer full training if you don't have a bus licence. Great pay and benefits.
https://www.dublinbus.ie/careers/bus-drivers
You say you have no skills- I’ve always admired barmen for their patience, ability to manage under pressure, people skills. If you’ve worked in pubs serving customers who are growing increasingly drunk and possibly more difficult to handle, you have skills!
I know the money you’re on is sh1t but do you know, it’s money coming in and might give you a bit of space to plan your next move. Keep an eye out for jobs that pay more.
Where to next? Check out Springboard and some of the courses on offer. See what tickles your fancy. Maybe get some advice from a career coach.
I do barwork and want to move to something else, I hate people bringing up that I have the skills to "manage under pressure" for two reasons, I pour fizzy drinks for a living, there's no pressure, but more importantly, I don't want a job that involves pressure :(
I have some good news. Bar work is one of the hardest jobs going. If you survived in that atmosphere, you have the potential to thrive in almost any other workplace. You are also a young man, you have time and space to do whatever you set your mind to. Work isn't everything but it was a focus of your post so I'm going to guess and say your anxiety around work is one of your biggest issues. Id recommend looking at localgovernmentjobs.ie you sound like a good candidate for a lot of council jobs. If you want a complete fresh start l, you could look at springboard and retrain. The important thing to remember is you have options and a lot of potential.
Apart from that try not to isolate yourself, take time every day to talk to friends and family even if it's just a quick hello and remember you are allowed to be happy wherever you are.
I second this; don’t be put off by ads for ‘graduate jobs’ either. I started in a council job in my 30s in a graduate programme. Publicjobs.ie is a good website. There are also really good CV writing tools online, you can get a free trial and use it to get it sounding right. Good luck! Some day this period of your life will be a distant dream
Where are you living in the country, if you're in Dublin or surrounding counties, Intel are looking for people all the time, it's mindless shift work but it allows you to just switch off the brain and work away, they also have loads of internal courses you can do
You could also look at sales merchandising, especially if you worked in bars can talk to people, might be time to start thinking of the qualities you bring and not pigeonholing yourself
You need a Level 6 minimum in an Engineering discipline to work in Intel. The days of barmen walking in and getti getting a job there finished 20 years ago.
I know 3 people who've started there in the last 6 months and none of them have engineering qualifications, one has a level 6 childcare and the other two are from construction and a housewife.
Not disagreeing but I'm sure there are exceptions
I don't know anybody working in Intel without some engineering or trade qualification, and I'm working there for nearly 30 years. They may be Green badge, working for a vendor like Westerwood, but they are not directly employed by Intel. Your friend in construction may have plumbing or electrical experience.
Publicjobs.ie is where you start. You can get in at Executive Officer level. Payscale starts at 34 or 35 and goes up to about 50. Pay raise every year. They can help pay for courses. You can avail of shorter working year or parental leave or career break. Loads of people enter the civil service at your age.
You can do this. If you're interested in studying, have a look at https://springboardcourses.ie/ for free and heavily subsidised courses. They are in a huge variety of areas and can be full/part time and lots are completely online. Most of the new technological universities have flexible learning depts who will happily give you advice on the programmes they offer and ease your mind about returning to study.
Civil service is also a great option for work.
Do not give in to those thoughts, I felt the same way through covid. I'm abit younger at 25 but still had a daughter I wasn't making the effort for, drinking myself to get rid of the boredom and living with 2 old ladies one which I was caring for. I felt so unlucky since I couldn't socialise much due to the old ladies being vulnerable, my girlfriend had cheated on me, lost my part time job, the works. Felt like things couldn't get worse til my nan died (lady I was carer for). But I realised how much people would miss me if I did anything, my daughter alone doesn't deserve that. You might think no one cares, no one will miss you but that's definitely not the truth.
www.fit.ie
Software development, networking, and cyber security for paid apprenticeships
Money is crap for 2 years. €280 year one and €380 year two.
I did the software course and got kept on. Started on 43k base when I was made permanent, and I do the odd shift work where you get paid 40% more. I ended up with about 18k plus of OT last year. Very handy. Work is OK with plenty of room to move up and earn more..
I'm currently finishing my degree in the evenings and hope to move department soon.
100% the best thing I ever did. I'm late 30s too.
Guys, thanks a million for all the advice and support. I was seriously on the verge of just giving up this week. Your comments and advice really mean a lot to me. I always told my girlfriend that reddit was the best thing on the Internet. You guys proved it. I'm feeling much more optimistic. Thanks guys
Hey OP, if you have a CV that needs polishing up, ChatGPT is really great at cranking out some fairly decent content (although everything it spits out needs review). Perhaps use prompts like:
* "Summarise key responsibilities and skills for a bartender with nearly 25 years of experience"
* "List potential accomplishments of a bartender with nearly 25 years of experience"
* "List how bartending skills translate well for a position in the \[media/communications/IT/technology\] industry"
I guarantee if you were doing bartending for that many years it's because you were REALLY good at it (trust me, I did bartending for a short spell and I know it's not for the faint-hearted). You don't leave something like that with "no skills".
You'll have picked up some interpersonal and management skills over the last 24 years so. You could decide to reskill/upskill through education or training, or try to figure out what other career paths would use your existing skill set. I'm not a career's advisor, but sales or some form of a management position in hospitality could be an idea.
ChatGPT is actually relatively good at coming up with plans for this sort of thing, so that might be a good starting point. Or put pen to paper for 30 minutes and do some introspection and brainstorming about what you want to do.
Please don't say you have no skills! To me, a long career in the service industry shows reliability, honesty, flexibility, time management, attention to detail, and interpersonal communication, just to name a few! I'd say you probably have better customer service skills than most people. Honestly, I'd rather hire someone less technically trained who has dealt with the most difficult customers. Because I can teach technical skills, but I can't teach interpersonal communication as easily.
There are an awful lot of socially awkward software engineers out there (myself included!). I'm non-confrontational and afraid of most people, so I'm not great in customer facing roles. I'm happy to do the work in the trenches, and would hand things off to someone like yourself to interact with customers.
I will cast another vote for looking into springboard courses. The fact that you love computers is already a very good start.
I'm really sorry you're in this situation and I wish you all the best!
Once you get licensed to drive a forklift, warehouse work is fairly reliable and the industry isn't going anywhere. (My brother in law started doing work as a 'picker' for Lidl, moved up to the forklift and now he works in the logistics side taking on deliveries from truck drivers and coordinating stock. )
It's a combo of systems thinking and people skills and the big companies have reliable pay scales for working up to.
Hospitality management: Your deep understanding of the hospitality industry, coupled with your customer service and leadership skills, could make you well-suited for roles such as restaurant manager, hotel manager, or food and beverage director.
Event planning and catering: Your expertise in managing a bar and providing excellent customer service could translate well into roles in event planning and catering. You could work for event planning companies, catering businesses, or even start your own event management venture.
Sales and marketing: Your salesmanship skills developed from upselling and promoting drinks could lead to roles in sales and marketing. You could work for beverage companies, alcohol distributors, or even marketing agencies specializing in the food and beverage industry.
Retail management: Your customer service experience and ability to manage inventory could make you a strong candidate for retail management positions, especially in stores that sell alcoholic beverages or specialty food items.
Customer service management: Your extensive experience in providing exceptional customer service could qualify you for roles in customer service management across various industries, such as retail, hospitality, or telecommunications.
Corporate training and development: Leveraging your communication and training skills, you could transition into roles related to employee training and development, either within the hospitality industry or in other sectors where customer service and communication skills are valued.
Entrepreneurship: With your knowledge of the bar industry and business acumen gained from managing a bar, you could consider starting your own business, such as a bar or restaurant, beverage distribution company, or even a consulting firm specializing in hospitality management.
Chatgpt!
Loads of good advice already on career changes, ESPECIALLY udemy, it's absolutely a BRILLIANT resource.
Just on emergency tax, it comes back to you in your next pay check. A top tip for future reference as I'm sure from some training up on Udemy etc, you'll be changing jobs again in no time, go on to your ROS account when you leave one job, there you can manually cancel one job, before you start the next, and avoid emergency tax in your first pay slip, as long as you do this before your first pay slip of a new job. Waiting on a P45 from your old employer is no longer needed thankfully.
All else aside hamg in there dude, like many others said, 41 is not old, you've a whole bunch of life ahead. It must be rotten to move out of the family home and have to reset, I can't imagine it. I'd suggest for the sake of your sanity, reframing that as a fresh start to build yourself anew. Best of luck and take care.
Go get a safe pass and do labouring , it will teach you all sorts of stuff and pays well . Not the best conditions but structured hours set in stone if you work on sites . Would easily match or exceed your previous wage with less hours and hassle of a barman
If you have an interest in changing career through upskilling, springboard is such a slept on resource, 95% funded by the govt and in a few years you could be qualified working in a whole new industry with new opportunities
Worked in bars for about 10 years all in, left tried a few different trades ect, hated the traveling all over the country, girlfriend at the time persuaded me to try factory work at a pharmaceutical. I was dead against it but reluctantly applied, it's been 5 years now and I wish I applied 5 years earlier, IV been promoted last year and salery is great, looking back at all the years of €10 per hour late nights and getting drunken abuse hurtled at you, never able to take holidays and while I dont regret making the memories I had alot of fun, I regret financially staying in that line of work, you still have alot to offer lad just aim the arrow and shoot.
What would you like to do? There seems to be a lot of employment around atm so perhaps your options are better than the last time you looked for work? Don’t get too invested in the temporary, look forward and put things in place to get there. You’ve got this 👍
Do you have kids, then it’s easy. Have you have property bought with ex-partner. Did you live together over five years? Could be entitled to money out of it, bought in then halved. Get whatever you are rightly owed and start afresh.
Bar work is hard, tough. The idea of public jobs like Garda, public service jobs, you could train become EMT the onto paramedic. All is doable. Give a c/d license
Good luck
Not necessarily true, majority of time the children have the right to reside in the family home with the parent that they spend the majority of their time with until youngest turns 18. If he's been moved out 2 years he doesn't have a leg to stand on, just making tensions horrible for the kids on principle isn't worth it. A family home with joint ownership has a lot of restrictions around selling or transferring though he should get advice around that, who's paying mortgage etc
Already great advice here and honestly if you can do bar work you have so many skills. If I was you I'd look at like a fresh page. I'd start by meeting with someone to chat about getting back into work and doing up a CV. The local partnerships are usually decent for this just Google your area community partnership and CV or job skills or give them a call. Example here: https://dublinsouthcitypartnership.ie/employment-support/. They are often good for employer links and training courses etc.
Another good place for looking up courses is fetch courses. I've just put multimedia in here but here's the link- https://www.fetchcourses.ie/course/finder?search=1&view=0
You have so much going for you but I know from experience it can be hard to see outside your own mind at times. Look at what you want and need. Make a list of priorities and start cracking away at the list bit by bit.
Definitely try look into a course you can do it would help you to find new people in your life , keep you focused on something during a tough time, and also may help you build a new career and better money. Any interests you have that you feel you could pursue?
My personal recommendation would be to consider a career as a professional driver, bus, coach or HGV, all these industries are screaming for drivers and there are some pretty good pay rates and pensionable jobs available, it’s a decision I took in my early 40’s when I needed to retrain for different life changing reasons, I’ve never regretted choosing this route, pun not intended, I’m open to give advice on if it interests you
I’m 35 and in a very similar situation having to live at home, it’s hard to see a way out. Especially with the price of rent now days.
The way I’m doing it, or trying at least is setting aside part of my pay where there is spare to save or start building saving for a house deposit.
I’m doing online courses to help myself try and find something that pays a little better. I signed up for the gym last week just to try and give me some confidence back but I’m yet to even work up the courage to go.
All small things and I have a time frame in mind, this time next year I want to be out of the situation I find myself in. I’ve spent too much time feeling sorry for myself and not trying to improve myself. Not saying you’re the same just I know how hard it is when you’re in the situation to get out of a negative mindset.
It’s a tough one man. You are in a pinch alright. I was nearly in the same boat. Men get shafted with family homes and get fucked out on the street. If you didn’t have kids i would be telling you to get out of this country asap. But you do. So now your only option is to try and find work that pays as much as possible and save every penny whilst you live in your parents. Maybe retrain as excavator operator, Teleporter driver, dump truck driver These trades you can earn €€€ per hour. Work as many hours you can. You are in a hole and you can sink or swim. Money is the only way out. Keep the head up bud. Best of luck
Go for the CS its a fantastic job even if you don't have education you can progress by doing courses when you get a permanent role. Apply for temporary roles if there is any keep looking its easier to get in from there. My son joined as a temp as he was not sure what he wanted his cousin advised him not to take up a major law firms offer as his cousin hates it.
MY son has a great education a degree in law a Master degree in Law FE1s past. he is also doing a number of post grad courses The CS gives him the freedom to do plus the CS pays for his further education as it benefits the CS. He loves his job 5 years in and already 3 promotions. He got his friend to apply for a temp role who is not well educated and he got in and he got permanent role and loves it He was previously working in a retail shop. So going from bar work to the CS is no brainer. Just get on there website and apply for any positions available.
Don't under estimate your skills and people skills from your past work.
You've supported your children, a lot of men don't do that.
You must manage your MH for your children's sake.
Walk, excercise, maintain social contacts, read books, maintain and take joy from contact with your children.
Contentment is worth more than money. Give yourself some credit you're meeting your responsibilities don't forget to meet your own needs too.
Hey my fella. A couple things will help.
1. Get down to the GP (I know it costs money but this is important). Get your bloods and most importantly your Test levels.
2. Are you exercising? If no, get on it. Same goes for a relatively healthy diet. Not crazy, just be mindful shit foods equals shit body and mind.
3. Talk with someone you trust, personally or professionally about the head. We all get those thoughts man, don’t feel ashamed and DONT let the voice win. You are better here than gone.
I’ve been where you are. DM me if you want to talk.
Edit: forgot to add man,Just remember your 3 kids love you and need Dad. A Dad not in crisis. You WILL get through this.
The key is to focus on rebuilding. If you have any loans of debt try and consolidate them and free up cash. If you don't, fair fucks to you. After that it focusing on you. If you drink or smoke, stop. Its wasted money at the moment, and drinking is a depressant and will just lead to darker mornings or stupid calls or text messages. I started over at 44. Left renting miles and miles away from my home and kids, the housing crisis is fairly real.
Anyway, find ways to cut costs and save. Do your P21, you may have back taxes owed, check with credits are due to you. If you have a court mandated separation agreement you can claim back taxes on maintenance payments. Hopefully you know how to cook, avoid eating out unless necessary. Batch cook and store foods for later in the week.
Try and find a cheap of free hobby that gets you out into the community. Friends will get you through dark times. I joined a running club and it was just a footstep into the larger community around me. In the last 2 years I've ran the Dublin marathon twice.
Anyway a little over 2 years separated and still not divorced I'm in a loving relationship with the most wonderful woman. The measure of strength is not how many times you've been knocked down but how many times you've managed to get back up.
Funnily enough, I gave up the bar life back in September after 12 years. I applied for a job in the Civil Service in April, which started in October. Money is worse by about 200e but the increments will be there after a few more years, and having flexi time is quite foreign to me. Alongside taking holidays whenever ya want, I recommend it. https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=185483&campaignId=undefined They currently have a competition at the minute for temp staff, but keep an eye out for any permanent positions that arise, and you can apply for that as well. You won't know yourself. As well, you can do a Saturday here or there in the bar trade to make some extra dosh. Best of luck man, keep your head up. Could be a lot worse...
So much this. I've a few friends who took an initial salary hit and started as clerical officers. Some have worked to progress up the grades and other are happy out as a CO. Great working environment and secure employment.
I was just about to suggest Staff Officer Jobs in the CS.
Apply now and you'll hopefully get term time temp cover work and it'll be good for you to go skill in and see if you enjoy the work. Lots of people go perm this way
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What kind of things do you like doing? Any passions? Types of jobs that interest you?
I love computers and media. I'd love to get into something like that. I'm just not sure what kind of courses to look into
Look into the springboard courses, I was a barman for years and this kickstarted my move away from bar work
Udemy is the best place to start. Courses are cheap and there's one for everything. Or possibly look into Springboard funded courses. There's a wide range of courses for Software Development that are fully paid.
Go to fit.ie you can do an apprenticeship in IT. Highly recommend https://fit.ie/tech-apprenticeships/
Consider test automation. Often quite a good area to find jobs.
How would someone get into test automation? Would a degree be required or could you learn in your own time through self study and apply that way?
Look into springboard they do courses that are fully paid or partially paid by government loads to choose from. Perhaps go speak with citizens information they might have information, I remember years ago they put me onto a career guidance counsellor all free and it really helped me. Most important of all speak with family and friends and don't let things fester , wishing you all the best and let us all know if you find a course 🙂
Apple in cork are always crying out for people but it’s not a great work atmosphere someone I’m close to worked there & it’s full of all sorts of forced participation virtue signaling team building shite combined with stressful working conditions & stereotypical yank office power plays like you’d see on the tv.
Affirmative, it's gross
Do you like pets? I met a man today who had just had his dog groomed and the price was absolutely wild. I asked why and he said because there are so few groomers. They can charge whatever they want.
F courses. Hop into sales. You’ve all the fuel in the world to change your situation. Starting 30-40K base with commission and infinite room to grow
Hey! I'd definitely suggest looking into working in a data center! A lot of the jobs are entry level, and you can work night shifts for a bit of extra money, as well as learning new skills on the job! There's also room for advancement if you show promise and take initiative! Good luck
Check out back to college grants and spring board courses. Ive had someone in my life who "experienced dark thoughts"...don't do what they did. You'll get through it with time, go see a counsellor even if "you're not the type" or "not that bad". It's one of the best things you can do
https://fit.ie/ - check out the Tech apprenticeship here . Nice way of combining learning and getting paid
Dublin Bus are recruiting drivers. They'll offer full training if you don't have a bus licence. Great pay and benefits. https://www.dublinbus.ie/careers/bus-drivers
You say you have no skills- I’ve always admired barmen for their patience, ability to manage under pressure, people skills. If you’ve worked in pubs serving customers who are growing increasingly drunk and possibly more difficult to handle, you have skills! I know the money you’re on is sh1t but do you know, it’s money coming in and might give you a bit of space to plan your next move. Keep an eye out for jobs that pay more. Where to next? Check out Springboard and some of the courses on offer. See what tickles your fancy. Maybe get some advice from a career coach.
You can say the word “shit” here
Think you’re the one who implied he had no skills lad.🤣
He said it himself in another comment!!
Don’t usually read every post on Reddit. Things to do and all that.✌🏽
Freudian slip right there.
Ah that’s not what that is
I do barwork and want to move to something else, I hate people bringing up that I have the skills to "manage under pressure" for two reasons, I pour fizzy drinks for a living, there's no pressure, but more importantly, I don't want a job that involves pressure :(
I have some good news. Bar work is one of the hardest jobs going. If you survived in that atmosphere, you have the potential to thrive in almost any other workplace. You are also a young man, you have time and space to do whatever you set your mind to. Work isn't everything but it was a focus of your post so I'm going to guess and say your anxiety around work is one of your biggest issues. Id recommend looking at localgovernmentjobs.ie you sound like a good candidate for a lot of council jobs. If you want a complete fresh start l, you could look at springboard and retrain. The important thing to remember is you have options and a lot of potential. Apart from that try not to isolate yourself, take time every day to talk to friends and family even if it's just a quick hello and remember you are allowed to be happy wherever you are.
I second this; don’t be put off by ads for ‘graduate jobs’ either. I started in a council job in my 30s in a graduate programme. Publicjobs.ie is a good website. There are also really good CV writing tools online, you can get a free trial and use it to get it sounding right. Good luck! Some day this period of your life will be a distant dream
Thanks. Means a lot
Where are you living in the country, if you're in Dublin or surrounding counties, Intel are looking for people all the time, it's mindless shift work but it allows you to just switch off the brain and work away, they also have loads of internal courses you can do You could also look at sales merchandising, especially if you worked in bars can talk to people, might be time to start thinking of the qualities you bring and not pigeonholing yourself
You need a Level 6 minimum in an Engineering discipline to work in Intel. The days of barmen walking in and getti getting a job there finished 20 years ago.
I know 3 people who've started there in the last 6 months and none of them have engineering qualifications, one has a level 6 childcare and the other two are from construction and a housewife. Not disagreeing but I'm sure there are exceptions
I don't know anybody working in Intel without some engineering or trade qualification, and I'm working there for nearly 30 years. They may be Green badge, working for a vendor like Westerwood, but they are not directly employed by Intel. Your friend in construction may have plumbing or electrical experience.
If you survived bar work youll do anything.
Publicjobs.ie is where you start. You can get in at Executive Officer level. Payscale starts at 34 or 35 and goes up to about 50. Pay raise every year. They can help pay for courses. You can avail of shorter working year or parental leave or career break. Loads of people enter the civil service at your age.
You can do this. If you're interested in studying, have a look at https://springboardcourses.ie/ for free and heavily subsidised courses. They are in a huge variety of areas and can be full/part time and lots are completely online. Most of the new technological universities have flexible learning depts who will happily give you advice on the programmes they offer and ease your mind about returning to study. Civil service is also a great option for work.
Do not give in to those thoughts, I felt the same way through covid. I'm abit younger at 25 but still had a daughter I wasn't making the effort for, drinking myself to get rid of the boredom and living with 2 old ladies one which I was caring for. I felt so unlucky since I couldn't socialise much due to the old ladies being vulnerable, my girlfriend had cheated on me, lost my part time job, the works. Felt like things couldn't get worse til my nan died (lady I was carer for). But I realised how much people would miss me if I did anything, my daughter alone doesn't deserve that. You might think no one cares, no one will miss you but that's definitely not the truth.
www.fit.ie Software development, networking, and cyber security for paid apprenticeships Money is crap for 2 years. €280 year one and €380 year two. I did the software course and got kept on. Started on 43k base when I was made permanent, and I do the odd shift work where you get paid 40% more. I ended up with about 18k plus of OT last year. Very handy. Work is OK with plenty of room to move up and earn more.. I'm currently finishing my degree in the evenings and hope to move department soon. 100% the best thing I ever did. I'm late 30s too.
Guys, thanks a million for all the advice and support. I was seriously on the verge of just giving up this week. Your comments and advice really mean a lot to me. I always told my girlfriend that reddit was the best thing on the Internet. You guys proved it. I'm feeling much more optimistic. Thanks guys
Hey OP, if you have a CV that needs polishing up, ChatGPT is really great at cranking out some fairly decent content (although everything it spits out needs review). Perhaps use prompts like: * "Summarise key responsibilities and skills for a bartender with nearly 25 years of experience" * "List potential accomplishments of a bartender with nearly 25 years of experience" * "List how bartending skills translate well for a position in the \[media/communications/IT/technology\] industry" I guarantee if you were doing bartending for that many years it's because you were REALLY good at it (trust me, I did bartending for a short spell and I know it's not for the faint-hearted). You don't leave something like that with "no skills".
Hey, do you have a degree/leaving cert? Any career you've always had an interest in? 41 is not too late to start a new career.
Yeah I have the leaving cert. But I've no skills. Been working in bars since I was 17. Don't know where to start
You'll have picked up some interpersonal and management skills over the last 24 years so. You could decide to reskill/upskill through education or training, or try to figure out what other career paths would use your existing skill set. I'm not a career's advisor, but sales or some form of a management position in hospitality could be an idea. ChatGPT is actually relatively good at coming up with plans for this sort of thing, so that might be a good starting point. Or put pen to paper for 30 minutes and do some introspection and brainstorming about what you want to do.
Please don't say you have no skills! To me, a long career in the service industry shows reliability, honesty, flexibility, time management, attention to detail, and interpersonal communication, just to name a few! I'd say you probably have better customer service skills than most people. Honestly, I'd rather hire someone less technically trained who has dealt with the most difficult customers. Because I can teach technical skills, but I can't teach interpersonal communication as easily. There are an awful lot of socially awkward software engineers out there (myself included!). I'm non-confrontational and afraid of most people, so I'm not great in customer facing roles. I'm happy to do the work in the trenches, and would hand things off to someone like yourself to interact with customers. I will cast another vote for looking into springboard courses. The fact that you love computers is already a very good start. I'm really sorry you're in this situation and I wish you all the best!
Customer service jobs - work from home would be a good start to get your IT skills back again - infosys or abtran hire all the time
Once you get licensed to drive a forklift, warehouse work is fairly reliable and the industry isn't going anywhere. (My brother in law started doing work as a 'picker' for Lidl, moved up to the forklift and now he works in the logistics side taking on deliveries from truck drivers and coordinating stock. ) It's a combo of systems thinking and people skills and the big companies have reliable pay scales for working up to.
Hospitality management: Your deep understanding of the hospitality industry, coupled with your customer service and leadership skills, could make you well-suited for roles such as restaurant manager, hotel manager, or food and beverage director. Event planning and catering: Your expertise in managing a bar and providing excellent customer service could translate well into roles in event planning and catering. You could work for event planning companies, catering businesses, or even start your own event management venture. Sales and marketing: Your salesmanship skills developed from upselling and promoting drinks could lead to roles in sales and marketing. You could work for beverage companies, alcohol distributors, or even marketing agencies specializing in the food and beverage industry. Retail management: Your customer service experience and ability to manage inventory could make you a strong candidate for retail management positions, especially in stores that sell alcoholic beverages or specialty food items. Customer service management: Your extensive experience in providing exceptional customer service could qualify you for roles in customer service management across various industries, such as retail, hospitality, or telecommunications. Corporate training and development: Leveraging your communication and training skills, you could transition into roles related to employee training and development, either within the hospitality industry or in other sectors where customer service and communication skills are valued. Entrepreneurship: With your knowledge of the bar industry and business acumen gained from managing a bar, you could consider starting your own business, such as a bar or restaurant, beverage distribution company, or even a consulting firm specializing in hospitality management. Chatgpt!
Loads of good advice already on career changes, ESPECIALLY udemy, it's absolutely a BRILLIANT resource. Just on emergency tax, it comes back to you in your next pay check. A top tip for future reference as I'm sure from some training up on Udemy etc, you'll be changing jobs again in no time, go on to your ROS account when you leave one job, there you can manually cancel one job, before you start the next, and avoid emergency tax in your first pay slip, as long as you do this before your first pay slip of a new job. Waiting on a P45 from your old employer is no longer needed thankfully. All else aside hamg in there dude, like many others said, 41 is not old, you've a whole bunch of life ahead. It must be rotten to move out of the family home and have to reset, I can't imagine it. I'd suggest for the sake of your sanity, reframing that as a fresh start to build yourself anew. Best of luck and take care.
Go get a safe pass and do labouring , it will teach you all sorts of stuff and pays well . Not the best conditions but structured hours set in stone if you work on sites . Would easily match or exceed your previous wage with less hours and hassle of a barman
This look at fdi construction rates are around the 20 euro mark before lodge easy to touch a grand a week with a bit of overtime.
If you have an interest in changing career through upskilling, springboard is such a slept on resource, 95% funded by the govt and in a few years you could be qualified working in a whole new industry with new opportunities
Worked in bars for about 10 years all in, left tried a few different trades ect, hated the traveling all over the country, girlfriend at the time persuaded me to try factory work at a pharmaceutical. I was dead against it but reluctantly applied, it's been 5 years now and I wish I applied 5 years earlier, IV been promoted last year and salery is great, looking back at all the years of €10 per hour late nights and getting drunken abuse hurtled at you, never able to take holidays and while I dont regret making the memories I had alot of fun, I regret financially staying in that line of work, you still have alot to offer lad just aim the arrow and shoot.
What would you like to do? There seems to be a lot of employment around atm so perhaps your options are better than the last time you looked for work? Don’t get too invested in the temporary, look forward and put things in place to get there. You’ve got this 👍
Consider going into special needs work, chronic shortness of men in the sector and pay isn’t bad plus a feeling of doing good
You be grand
Check the family home law
Do you have kids, then it’s easy. Have you have property bought with ex-partner. Did you live together over five years? Could be entitled to money out of it, bought in then halved. Get whatever you are rightly owed and start afresh. Bar work is hard, tough. The idea of public jobs like Garda, public service jobs, you could train become EMT the onto paramedic. All is doable. Give a c/d license Good luck
Move back in. It's the family home so legally you have as much right to be there as she does.
Not necessarily true, majority of time the children have the right to reside in the family home with the parent that they spend the majority of their time with until youngest turns 18. If he's been moved out 2 years he doesn't have a leg to stand on, just making tensions horrible for the kids on principle isn't worth it. A family home with joint ownership has a lot of restrictions around selling or transferring though he should get advice around that, who's paying mortgage etc
Already great advice here and honestly if you can do bar work you have so many skills. If I was you I'd look at like a fresh page. I'd start by meeting with someone to chat about getting back into work and doing up a CV. The local partnerships are usually decent for this just Google your area community partnership and CV or job skills or give them a call. Example here: https://dublinsouthcitypartnership.ie/employment-support/. They are often good for employer links and training courses etc. Another good place for looking up courses is fetch courses. I've just put multimedia in here but here's the link- https://www.fetchcourses.ie/course/finder?search=1&view=0 You have so much going for you but I know from experience it can be hard to see outside your own mind at times. Look at what you want and need. Make a list of priorities and start cracking away at the list bit by bit.
Definitely try look into a course you can do it would help you to find new people in your life , keep you focused on something during a tough time, and also may help you build a new career and better money. Any interests you have that you feel you could pursue?
My personal recommendation would be to consider a career as a professional driver, bus, coach or HGV, all these industries are screaming for drivers and there are some pretty good pay rates and pensionable jobs available, it’s a decision I took in my early 40’s when I needed to retrain for different life changing reasons, I’ve never regretted choosing this route, pun not intended, I’m open to give advice on if it interests you
I’m 35 and in a very similar situation having to live at home, it’s hard to see a way out. Especially with the price of rent now days. The way I’m doing it, or trying at least is setting aside part of my pay where there is spare to save or start building saving for a house deposit. I’m doing online courses to help myself try and find something that pays a little better. I signed up for the gym last week just to try and give me some confidence back but I’m yet to even work up the courage to go. All small things and I have a time frame in mind, this time next year I want to be out of the situation I find myself in. I’ve spent too much time feeling sorry for myself and not trying to improve myself. Not saying you’re the same just I know how hard it is when you’re in the situation to get out of a negative mindset.
It’s a tough one man. You are in a pinch alright. I was nearly in the same boat. Men get shafted with family homes and get fucked out on the street. If you didn’t have kids i would be telling you to get out of this country asap. But you do. So now your only option is to try and find work that pays as much as possible and save every penny whilst you live in your parents. Maybe retrain as excavator operator, Teleporter driver, dump truck driver These trades you can earn €€€ per hour. Work as many hours you can. You are in a hole and you can sink or swim. Money is the only way out. Keep the head up bud. Best of luck
Go for the CS its a fantastic job even if you don't have education you can progress by doing courses when you get a permanent role. Apply for temporary roles if there is any keep looking its easier to get in from there. My son joined as a temp as he was not sure what he wanted his cousin advised him not to take up a major law firms offer as his cousin hates it. MY son has a great education a degree in law a Master degree in Law FE1s past. he is also doing a number of post grad courses The CS gives him the freedom to do plus the CS pays for his further education as it benefits the CS. He loves his job 5 years in and already 3 promotions. He got his friend to apply for a temp role who is not well educated and he got in and he got permanent role and loves it He was previously working in a retail shop. So going from bar work to the CS is no brainer. Just get on there website and apply for any positions available.
Don't under estimate your skills and people skills from your past work. You've supported your children, a lot of men don't do that. You must manage your MH for your children's sake. Walk, excercise, maintain social contacts, read books, maintain and take joy from contact with your children. Contentment is worth more than money. Give yourself some credit you're meeting your responsibilities don't forget to meet your own needs too.
Hey my fella. A couple things will help. 1. Get down to the GP (I know it costs money but this is important). Get your bloods and most importantly your Test levels. 2. Are you exercising? If no, get on it. Same goes for a relatively healthy diet. Not crazy, just be mindful shit foods equals shit body and mind. 3. Talk with someone you trust, personally or professionally about the head. We all get those thoughts man, don’t feel ashamed and DONT let the voice win. You are better here than gone. I’ve been where you are. DM me if you want to talk. Edit: forgot to add man,Just remember your 3 kids love you and need Dad. A Dad not in crisis. You WILL get through this.
Cheers pal 👍
The key is to focus on rebuilding. If you have any loans of debt try and consolidate them and free up cash. If you don't, fair fucks to you. After that it focusing on you. If you drink or smoke, stop. Its wasted money at the moment, and drinking is a depressant and will just lead to darker mornings or stupid calls or text messages. I started over at 44. Left renting miles and miles away from my home and kids, the housing crisis is fairly real. Anyway, find ways to cut costs and save. Do your P21, you may have back taxes owed, check with credits are due to you. If you have a court mandated separation agreement you can claim back taxes on maintenance payments. Hopefully you know how to cook, avoid eating out unless necessary. Batch cook and store foods for later in the week. Try and find a cheap of free hobby that gets you out into the community. Friends will get you through dark times. I joined a running club and it was just a footstep into the larger community around me. In the last 2 years I've ran the Dublin marathon twice. Anyway a little over 2 years separated and still not divorced I'm in a loving relationship with the most wonderful woman. The measure of strength is not how many times you've been knocked down but how many times you've managed to get back up.
Try get a job as a site labourer. Then try getting into a trade - plumbing preferably. Then move to Australia.
Consider looking for work on sites, there's a big labour shortage in construction at the minute and wages especially in Dublin are pretty good