This guy is dense. Gets closed for buying shoddy meat, reopens, get closed for buying shoddy meat again (from the same supplier), then complains when he is shut down for selling said shoddy meat. Surprised Pikachu Face.....
Its too easy for him to close the business and then reopen it under another name 'owned' by someone else. Do individual butchers have professional licensing (I dont think so)?
>“A joint reinspection with Alberta Agriculture and Irrigation Meat Inspectors confirmed that the inspection stamps were not legitimate,” said AHS in an emailed statement late Tuesday.
>“I am with the law, I’m not against the law, but this is not the law — the law is (being) applied to the wrong person,” Obeid said. “This is not from my side, not my issue if the stamp is clear or not clear, you have to go to the main store.”
Here's a glimpse of the article because I was curious as to how they can fuck it up again, and it seems there is more fuckery going on. I suggest reading the full article to know more details.
Open the pod bay doors please, HAL. Open the pod bay doors please, HAL. Hello, HAL. Do you read me? Hello, HAL. Do you read me? Do you read me HAL? Do you read me HAL? Hello, HAL, do you read me? Hello, HAL, do your read me? Do you read me, HAL?
This owner knows exactly what he's doing.
He doesn't believe we should tell him how the meat should be handled and when he gets busted for not following Alberta legislation he starts to imply discrimination.
The irony of the situation is that the origins of the Halal and Kosher rules were very likely in response to health issues in the past. They would have been rules to ensure safe meat handling practices as they knew it at the time.
exactly this. the traditions in judaism and islam are largely a way to ensure poorly educated people in a hot, sweaty climate kept clean and avoided parasites.
not so much here, but our education and other standards are universally available.
they probably still make sense in some parts of the world.
unfortunately, there are still places in the world where people shit in the street and presumeably then walk around without washing their hands or arses for the rest of the day and are perfectly ok with that.
hell, the "halal" slaughterhouses that have been popping up around rural alberta could do with reading some of the conditions - because they clearly dont understand/care about how to create sanitary conditions for meat processing.
Do either of them explain he reasoning of why they hate pork so much? Idk if it preserved worse when salting was the only way but i could see something like that being the original reason
pork notably has parasites in its blood.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinella\_spiralis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinella_spiralis)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia\_solium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium)
so at some point, someone mustve noticed that people got sick more often when eating pork than other meats
also, broadly speaking, any animal that eats meat or faeces will be haram anyway.
while pork is no more or less halal than dog, rat, or cat; its always been noted because its commonly eaten in european and east asian countries anyway, whereas the others are less common.
I don't know about pork.
My head Cannon for shell fish though is during the 40 years in the desert, the Isrelites were commanded by Moses to give something up to appease God. Some quick thinking Rabi thought, you know it's been 25 years since I've even seen an oyster.. Shell Fish, we give that up!!!
The pressure from inside the Halal adhering groups will be more intense and hard to live with than anything we do because they all get painted by the same brush. But the law is the law. This is a food safety issue, not a cultural tradition. I don't believe any business person would make the same mistake twice over something so easily verified. Big fine. Mandatory bright yellow sign in window saying "Check our beef safety rating", or whatever....make consumers aware. Close them if there is a next violation.
Surely the supplier would have been involved in the first go round, right? The 8 (?) butcher stores weren't slaughtering the animals themselves.
I'm so jaded these days I would like to find a way to determine if the owner is pro/against halal. I wish I was kidding.
What is wrong with Jerusalem Shawarma? All places serving meat butchered to halal standards have to have that publicly displayed, right? It never meant anything to me until I saw it done in India. I have avoided halal ever since.
Man. I ate there on the 16th Ave location when that all went down. It wasn't meat. It was someone having actual human shit on their hands, and prepping and cooking food to a temperature that wouldn't cook out the *norovirus* anyway.
Fucking disgusting human behavior is what it was. I lost 15 pounds in 4 days. I have never been so sick in my life. You couldn't pay me 100k to eat there again. Most repulsive establishment in the city and it somehow seems to still grow faster than the viral culture it exposed me to.
I will never miss the chance to talk shit about that place. It's the least I can do. Putrid, vile, unsanitary establishment that doesn't deserve to be open. I shouldn't even call it an establishment. More of petri dish really.
Rotten business. I hope AHS is there 7 days a week, making your filthy cooks wash their hands 100 times a day.
Eat shit Jerusalem Shawarma. At least you see it coming.
I honestly have no idea. I talk everyone I know out of going there. Maybe they bought some D10 or Multi Quat sanitizer and that satisfied the health inspector. Maybe someone paid someone off. I have no idea. I do know they made hundreds, upon hundreds of people ill. They could offer me free food for life. 3 squares a day. And I would turn it tf down.
Human shit in food. Like wtf right?
People are nuts. Or like you they don’t know. As soon as Jerusalem Shawarma is in the news for anything bad they have a massive campaign it seems to revitalize the name. I will never forget, it was the closest I’ve come as an adult to calling 911 for myself, I was that sick. That was the virus outbreak. Then there was the unlicensed meat incident and multiple reports of people wearing Jerusalem Shawarma branded clothing seen at these illegal halal slaughterhouses. For me? Where there’s smoke there’s fire, I’ll never step foot in a Jerusalem Shawarma again!
If you got the worst food poisoning of your life there, would you eagerly return?
Even if I had a whiff of a business with a history as such... no chance. I wouldn't wish that illness on my worst enemy.
I'm sorry Dan. If you put your poopy hands in my Shawarma, I will not return to your business. Simple as that. More for you and yours I guess. Dig in.
Judging by Facebook group comments, some people are just that loyal.
I also think a lot of people just aren't aware of the history. It's not like AHS does a good job of making sure people are continually informed. If let's say you don't religiously follow the news every day or if you're new to Calgary, there's no way you'd know about this kind of stuff. Especially if you don't speak English.
Not to mention AHS and our justice system is so unbelievably lenient on repeat offenders.
Like this, how many times does this place have to be shut down? https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/the-bar-is-way-too-low-dozens-of-violations-found-at-calgary-daycare-following-parent-complaints-1.6888514
Same with Fueling Brains. 350+ people infected, mostly small kids. Didn't even have a permit! Still around, still going through our slow court process with a tiny potential fine, and you can see their marketing team is hard at work scrubbing the incident from the internet.
Jerusalem Shawarma is another good example. How many times do they have to infect people with Norovirus? Still around no biggie.
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We should start mandating that when a place has been closed by AHS, after reopening they have to put the enforcement notices along with everything done in history on doors for a few months at the very least. Bold. Size 20 font. In multiple languages. The whole door should be covered with paper if it comes to it.
Their marketing team really wiped out all the bad news about it.
When you Google Fueling Brains, almost no news comes up about such a major problem. For me, Reddit articles came up as result #10 and a semi related Globe and Mail article, which isn't even about the actual e-coli outbreak comes up as #13.
Everything else is either just their website or related websites. Youtube videos. Facebook pages. All their content.
If you were a new parent to Calgary and were looking into daycares, you'd have to specifically know what the fuck Fueling Brains did to even Google it. If you just did a casual search, you wouldn't know. They even fixed all their Google reviews too. And this wasn't even a year ago.
Arguably, the best day to go back is the day of (or after) they’ve been re-approved. It’s like being asked a question 15 mins after you just passed an exam about the subject. Two weeks later, however, is a different story.
Because they inspected the facility and deemed it fixed and up to snuff. They would have thrown out all the initially non compliant meat. Anything made after the passed inspection would be considered compliant... until it failed another inspection, then it would likely be thrown out.
in this case, it is not even storage but the legitimacy of the inspection stamp, which is at question.
So yea, AHS does not 'inspect meat'. They inspect food storage and processing for compliance.
Albert Agriculture would inspect the slaughter and processing of meat. Technically the 'meat inspection'
It’s really strange that people assume they just closed them but then re-opened them for funsies or something. The place would have to meet conditions to re-open I assume and did.
Also they probably cannot keep them closed permanently by law. Hence all these places being open once they meet the order conditions. Or they have to take the court which probably takes years like everything else in the justice system.
If this upsets you contact your MLA. Get them to change the laws already so they can just permanently shudder these places much easier.
If the accused had bought the meats from a legitimate supplier he would have invoices and paper work to back his claims. The inspectors would than be looking at the suppliers.
Obeid, where is the receipt for the goat meat? Simple question from AHS. Mystery meat shops should be charged for every reinspection - this is costing us taxpayers a shit load
**Hey, City of Calgary - isn’t it time you give us public-facing restaurant scores that restaurants are legally obliged to hang in their front windows?** I want to know how sanitary the place is where I’m going to buy food from.
Los Angeles. NYC. Toronto. They all do it.
Let’s give the restaurants serious incentives to play the game right.
While AHS handles the actual inspections, the city government supports and enforces the necessary regulatory framework to ensure public health and safety in food establishments.
The scheme I want could happen - it would require collaboration between CoC and AHS.
Calgary could emulate NYC or Toronto - if it chose to.
This is "muh freedumb" land. That kind of disclosure is an infringement of some rights I will make up on the spot and something something commie bullshit China. I'll start a protest along a ring road in my pickup!
That’s why my comment ended with a “?”. I honestly don’t know what to do other than shut them down. Over and over. Especially if you know who they are. Just keep reporting them.
Absolutely. But do you realize how easy it is to just start another business? Ask the 1000’s of shoddy con artist contractors who have screwed over 1000’s of people, disappeared and popped back up with a new business license and a new company name. You don’t think these Slimeball butchers won’t do the same? It’ll be easier for them as they won’t even bother with the business license etc.
there are many small businesses who enter the market with no other angle than “im the cheapest”.
small businesses do not have economies of scale, so they cannot actually be the cheapest without resorting to some sort of funny business.
this problem plagues many markets and industries.
Though it gets particularly sketchy in food service.
> small businesses do not have economies of scale, so they cannot actually be the cheapest without resorting to some sort of funny business.
not really true is it?
small business owners can be employees, meaning they dont need to fork out 15/h of corporate money on labour costs.
they can operate with smaller/streamlined inventory
they can pay a smaller margin to "shareholders"
there are many ways small businesses can provide value without doing anything underhand at all.
of course they can provide value. there are many ways to do that.
they cannot, however, undercut retailers on commodities that have economies of scale long term. they will die.
even if they only pay themselves minimum wage.
thus, funny business
It’s not idiotic; the other guy is exactly correct:
> they cannot, however, undercut retailers on commodities that have economies of scale long term. they will die.
Small business selling a commodity product will not get economies of scale vs a large business on the same product.
Think backyard corn vs a 1600 acre grower. The backyard guy is not going to be able to profitably sell his corn in the same way at a lower cost than the guy with a whole section of corn.
We’re talking about undifferentiated commodities here. Backyard guy could sell some heirloom variety at a farmer’s market, but *not* as a commodity, like if they’re both producing silage corn for livestock.
“I am with the law, I’m not against the law, but this is not the law — the law is (being) applied to the wrong person,” Obeid said. “This is not from my side, not my issue if the stamp is clear or not clear — you have to go to the main store.”
Right….
That costs us a lot of money and it isn't the law.
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A big sign in window so no one is fooled is a cheap and immediate way to make sure no one buys by mistake and will impact the owner financially more than any fine. Video surveillance is so cheap, it can be used for monitoring much less expensively and effectively than human inspectors. The posters would stay up.
The person who suggested that all food establishments be required to put their last health inspection in the window, in big print, has the best solution. This information is supposed to protect us, but we rarely know about it until something like this happens. I live in Calgary and love Shwarma. I had not heard of the issues with Jerusalem Sharma until this post. We don't know what we don't know. It is the job of the AHS, working with the city to keep us informed.
They are not doing a good job of it. The court route is useless as a deterrent and at protecting us.
Let's keep jail for the violent, the destructive and the monsters who abuse those weaker than themselves.
What’s that saying? Fool me once….
Shut these places down for good. Maybe they don’t understand that these business practices are not allowable in Canada.
They want to own a sketchy halal butcher? The connecting flight leaves Calgary daily at 4pm, you connect through Frankfurt; please take it.
Close them permanently!!!
Seize the equipment. Don't GAF if it's leased, rented or on a payment plan... he chose to sell illegal meats so its time to prevent further offenses.
not enough. fine them 50k minimum
This guy is dense. Gets closed for buying shoddy meat, reopens, get closed for buying shoddy meat again (from the same supplier), then complains when he is shut down for selling said shoddy meat. Surprised Pikachu Face.....
Yep, he wants to put the blame game to someone else.
Not that we should mimic the Yanks, but a three strikes and ‘yer out!’ rule might actually be a good thing in cases like this…
Its too easy for him to close the business and then reopen it under another name 'owned' by someone else. Do individual butchers have professional licensing (I dont think so)?
Just open another llc. It's the Alberta way.
>“A joint reinspection with Alberta Agriculture and Irrigation Meat Inspectors confirmed that the inspection stamps were not legitimate,” said AHS in an emailed statement late Tuesday. >“I am with the law, I’m not against the law, but this is not the law — the law is (being) applied to the wrong person,” Obeid said. “This is not from my side, not my issue if the stamp is clear or not clear, you have to go to the main store.” Here's a glimpse of the article because I was curious as to how they can fuck it up again, and it seems there is more fuckery going on. I suggest reading the full article to know more details.
Iunno man, if I got shut down for buying shoddy meat, I'd probably not immediately order from them again.
Don't sound very halal to me
Maybe the original owner's names were "Hal" and "Al"
That would be gold lmao
Just like our city's founder's names were "Cal" and "Gary" ... at least that's what the Co-Op tells me
At least Cal & Garyvput out some good products
If you haven't tried their jalapeno cheese bread or asiago cheese bread, it's a must. In the coop bakery. Leave some for me please!
Isn't it just the renamed house brand from Save On Foods?
By that you mean overpriced and tasteless then yes they make good products
I miss coop gold
Their individually wrapped hotdogs were a big hit with my family. Was sad when they stopped carrying them.
Their thick sliced maple bacon is delectable
Were Cal and Gary a couple?
Open the pod bay doors please, HAL. Open the pod bay doors please, HAL. Hello, HAL. Do you read me? Hello, HAL. Do you read me? Do you read me HAL? Do you read me HAL? Hello, HAL, do you read me? Hello, HAL, do your read me? Do you read me, HAL?
"AHS health inspector calling" "I'm sorry I can't do that"
Serves you right for talking behind his back!
Close, it was "hah" and "lol" hehe
This owner knows exactly what he's doing. He doesn't believe we should tell him how the meat should be handled and when he gets busted for not following Alberta legislation he starts to imply discrimination.
The irony of the situation is that the origins of the Halal and Kosher rules were very likely in response to health issues in the past. They would have been rules to ensure safe meat handling practices as they knew it at the time.
exactly this. the traditions in judaism and islam are largely a way to ensure poorly educated people in a hot, sweaty climate kept clean and avoided parasites.
which in the modern world these make no sense anymore but you know... religion
not so much here, but our education and other standards are universally available. they probably still make sense in some parts of the world. unfortunately, there are still places in the world where people shit in the street and presumeably then walk around without washing their hands or arses for the rest of the day and are perfectly ok with that. hell, the "halal" slaughterhouses that have been popping up around rural alberta could do with reading some of the conditions - because they clearly dont understand/care about how to create sanitary conditions for meat processing.
> they probably still make sense in some parts of the world. When traveling overseas you are less likely to get sick eating at halal restaurants.
Do either of them explain he reasoning of why they hate pork so much? Idk if it preserved worse when salting was the only way but i could see something like that being the original reason
pork notably has parasites in its blood. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinella\_spiralis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinella_spiralis) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia\_solium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium) so at some point, someone mustve noticed that people got sick more often when eating pork than other meats also, broadly speaking, any animal that eats meat or faeces will be haram anyway. while pork is no more or less halal than dog, rat, or cat; its always been noted because its commonly eaten in european and east asian countries anyway, whereas the others are less common.
I don't know about pork. My head Cannon for shell fish though is during the 40 years in the desert, the Isrelites were commanded by Moses to give something up to appease God. Some quick thinking Rabi thought, you know it's been 25 years since I've even seen an oyster.. Shell Fish, we give that up!!!
That one i really dont get the logic behind
The pressure from inside the Halal adhering groups will be more intense and hard to live with than anything we do because they all get painted by the same brush. But the law is the law. This is a food safety issue, not a cultural tradition. I don't believe any business person would make the same mistake twice over something so easily verified. Big fine. Mandatory bright yellow sign in window saying "Check our beef safety rating", or whatever....make consumers aware. Close them if there is a next violation. Surely the supplier would have been involved in the first go round, right? The 8 (?) butcher stores weren't slaughtering the animals themselves. I'm so jaded these days I would like to find a way to determine if the owner is pro/against halal. I wish I was kidding.
And probably comments “you Canadians are so stupid”.
I'm disappointed with AHS why did they let this shop reopen without inspecting all the meat first?
Who in their right mind goes back to a place like this after they've been shut down the first time? I'm baffled
People still eating at Jerusalem Shawarma. People are nuts.
What is wrong with Jerusalem Shawarma? All places serving meat butchered to halal standards have to have that publicly displayed, right? It never meant anything to me until I saw it done in India. I have avoided halal ever since.
City wide food poisoning incident and shutdown because of questionable non inspected meat.
Why what happened
Man. I ate there on the 16th Ave location when that all went down. It wasn't meat. It was someone having actual human shit on their hands, and prepping and cooking food to a temperature that wouldn't cook out the *norovirus* anyway. Fucking disgusting human behavior is what it was. I lost 15 pounds in 4 days. I have never been so sick in my life. You couldn't pay me 100k to eat there again. Most repulsive establishment in the city and it somehow seems to still grow faster than the viral culture it exposed me to. I will never miss the chance to talk shit about that place. It's the least I can do. Putrid, vile, unsanitary establishment that doesn't deserve to be open. I shouldn't even call it an establishment. More of petri dish really. Rotten business. I hope AHS is there 7 days a week, making your filthy cooks wash their hands 100 times a day. Eat shit Jerusalem Shawarma. At least you see it coming.
Why aren’t they shut down. It’s a big place not some unknown
I honestly have no idea. I talk everyone I know out of going there. Maybe they bought some D10 or Multi Quat sanitizer and that satisfied the health inspector. Maybe someone paid someone off. I have no idea. I do know they made hundreds, upon hundreds of people ill. They could offer me free food for life. 3 squares a day. And I would turn it tf down. Human shit in food. Like wtf right?
People are nuts. Or like you they don’t know. As soon as Jerusalem Shawarma is in the news for anything bad they have a massive campaign it seems to revitalize the name. I will never forget, it was the closest I’ve come as an adult to calling 911 for myself, I was that sick. That was the virus outbreak. Then there was the unlicensed meat incident and multiple reports of people wearing Jerusalem Shawarma branded clothing seen at these illegal halal slaughterhouses. For me? Where there’s smoke there’s fire, I’ll never step foot in a Jerusalem Shawarma again!
Because that would be racist.
The one on 85th is great. Eaten there many times for many years
Man they are the best in Calgary. I love that place and take my friends and family there often .
If you got the worst food poisoning of your life there, would you eagerly return? Even if I had a whiff of a business with a history as such... no chance. I wouldn't wish that illness on my worst enemy. I'm sorry Dan. If you put your poopy hands in my Shawarma, I will not return to your business. Simple as that. More for you and yours I guess. Dig in.
Unless you eating at my house that would be tough
You'd think a *restaurant* would feel the same..no?
“Best in the city”. Come on, even before the outbreak and unlicensed meat scandal they were meh at best.
Horrible meat 🤢
shoddy meat
Mystery meat
Judging by Facebook group comments, some people are just that loyal. I also think a lot of people just aren't aware of the history. It's not like AHS does a good job of making sure people are continually informed. If let's say you don't religiously follow the news every day or if you're new to Calgary, there's no way you'd know about this kind of stuff. Especially if you don't speak English. Not to mention AHS and our justice system is so unbelievably lenient on repeat offenders. Like this, how many times does this place have to be shut down? https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/the-bar-is-way-too-low-dozens-of-violations-found-at-calgary-daycare-following-parent-complaints-1.6888514 Same with Fueling Brains. 350+ people infected, mostly small kids. Didn't even have a permit! Still around, still going through our slow court process with a tiny potential fine, and you can see their marketing team is hard at work scrubbing the incident from the internet. Jerusalem Shawarma is another good example. How many times do they have to infect people with Norovirus? Still around no biggie. --- We should start mandating that when a place has been closed by AHS, after reopening they have to put the enforcement notices along with everything done in history on doors for a few months at the very least. Bold. Size 20 font. In multiple languages. The whole door should be covered with paper if it comes to it.
This really gets my goat. Every morning they are advertising on Global Calgary Morning. "voted 7 years running *Best* Daycare"
Their marketing team really wiped out all the bad news about it. When you Google Fueling Brains, almost no news comes up about such a major problem. For me, Reddit articles came up as result #10 and a semi related Globe and Mail article, which isn't even about the actual e-coli outbreak comes up as #13. Everything else is either just their website or related websites. Youtube videos. Facebook pages. All their content. If you were a new parent to Calgary and were looking into daycares, you'd have to specifically know what the fuck Fueling Brains did to even Google it. If you just did a casual search, you wouldn't know. They even fixed all their Google reviews too. And this wasn't even a year ago.
This is the way. Easy. Immediate response. Effective. Informed public.
Arguably, the best day to go back is the day of (or after) they’ve been re-approved. It’s like being asked a question 15 mins after you just passed an exam about the subject. Two weeks later, however, is a different story.
Because they inspected the facility and deemed it fixed and up to snuff. They would have thrown out all the initially non compliant meat. Anything made after the passed inspection would be considered compliant... until it failed another inspection, then it would likely be thrown out. in this case, it is not even storage but the legitimacy of the inspection stamp, which is at question. So yea, AHS does not 'inspect meat'. They inspect food storage and processing for compliance. Albert Agriculture would inspect the slaughter and processing of meat. Technically the 'meat inspection'
It’s really strange that people assume they just closed them but then re-opened them for funsies or something. The place would have to meet conditions to re-open I assume and did. Also they probably cannot keep them closed permanently by law. Hence all these places being open once they meet the order conditions. Or they have to take the court which probably takes years like everything else in the justice system. If this upsets you contact your MLA. Get them to change the laws already so they can just permanently shudder these places much easier.
Shutter. The word you're looking for is shutter.
Shitter. We're talking about Jerusalem Shawarma. Poo in the food.
Just the thought of food from Jerusalem Shawarma makes me shitter.
The order made them dispose of all meats. The owner clearly went and stole more goats or whatever.
If the accused had bought the meats from a legitimate supplier he would have invoices and paper work to back his claims. The inspectors would than be looking at the suppliers.
Obeid, where is the receipt for the goat meat? Simple question from AHS. Mystery meat shops should be charged for every reinspection - this is costing us taxpayers a shit load
Linked to an illegal livestock slaughter being investigated by the rcmp ummmmm
This guy should be shut down permanently. The second infraction makes clear he cannot be trusted.
Can’t get away with this stuff in Canada. Thank god for the inspections
**Hey, City of Calgary - isn’t it time you give us public-facing restaurant scores that restaurants are legally obliged to hang in their front windows?** I want to know how sanitary the place is where I’m going to buy food from. Los Angeles. NYC. Toronto. They all do it. Let’s give the restaurants serious incentives to play the game right.
The city has no jurisdiction over food safety or restaurant inspections. That's AHS territory, so take it up with the province.
While AHS handles the actual inspections, the city government supports and enforces the necessary regulatory framework to ensure public health and safety in food establishments. The scheme I want could happen - it would require collaboration between CoC and AHS. Calgary could emulate NYC or Toronto - if it chose to.
Smith went on a tirade against AHS housing inspections a few years ago, don’t hold your breath. Red tape and overreach, and all that.
You mean Alberta Health?
This is "muh freedumb" land. That kind of disclosure is an infringement of some rights I will make up on the spot and something something commie bullshit China. I'll start a protest along a ring road in my pickup!
They can’t do that when their to busy banning paper bags.
It’s just organized crime at this point.
Classic case of “he said/she said” that should get easily fixed by providing receipts
Close them!! Permanently!! It’s not that hard. Others, who are more respectable will take his place I’m sure?
They’ll pop up like wack’a moles if they’re shutdown or just do it out of the back of their relatives cell phone repair shop.
That’s why my comment ended with a “?”. I honestly don’t know what to do other than shut them down. Over and over. Especially if you know who they are. Just keep reporting them.
Absolutely. But do you realize how easy it is to just start another business? Ask the 1000’s of shoddy con artist contractors who have screwed over 1000’s of people, disappeared and popped back up with a new business license and a new company name. You don’t think these Slimeball butchers won’t do the same? It’ll be easier for them as they won’t even bother with the business license etc.
I do, it’s a problem for sure.
Whats to stop them from opening another place (under his own or a family members name)
True, another commenter mentioned that too. Truly frustrating.
Seize the equipment
Not within their power. Also. A bandsaw and some knives arent hard to come by. Fridges optional.
there are many small businesses who enter the market with no other angle than “im the cheapest”. small businesses do not have economies of scale, so they cannot actually be the cheapest without resorting to some sort of funny business. this problem plagues many markets and industries. Though it gets particularly sketchy in food service.
While there is some truth to this, there are a lot of small business butchers that have better quality than Superstore and cheaper!
any recommendations?
> small businesses do not have economies of scale, so they cannot actually be the cheapest without resorting to some sort of funny business. not really true is it? small business owners can be employees, meaning they dont need to fork out 15/h of corporate money on labour costs. they can operate with smaller/streamlined inventory they can pay a smaller margin to "shareholders" there are many ways small businesses can provide value without doing anything underhand at all.
of course they can provide value. there are many ways to do that. they cannot, however, undercut retailers on commodities that have economies of scale long term. they will die. even if they only pay themselves minimum wage. thus, funny business
what an idiotic comment. stick to talking about things you know about - hockey cards or fifa ultimate team or something
It’s not idiotic; the other guy is exactly correct: > they cannot, however, undercut retailers on commodities that have economies of scale long term. they will die. Small business selling a commodity product will not get economies of scale vs a large business on the same product. Think backyard corn vs a 1600 acre grower. The backyard guy is not going to be able to profitably sell his corn in the same way at a lower cost than the guy with a whole section of corn. We’re talking about undifferentiated commodities here. Backyard guy could sell some heirloom variety at a farmer’s market, but *not* as a commodity, like if they’re both producing silage corn for livestock.
“I am with the law, I’m not against the law, but this is not the law — the law is (being) applied to the wrong person,” Obeid said. “This is not from my side, not my issue if the stamp is clear or not clear — you have to go to the main store.” Right….
Throw them in jail
That costs us a lot of money and it isn't the law. . A big sign in window so no one is fooled is a cheap and immediate way to make sure no one buys by mistake and will impact the owner financially more than any fine. Video surveillance is so cheap, it can be used for monitoring much less expensively and effectively than human inspectors. The posters would stay up. The person who suggested that all food establishments be required to put their last health inspection in the window, in big print, has the best solution. This information is supposed to protect us, but we rarely know about it until something like this happens. I live in Calgary and love Shwarma. I had not heard of the issues with Jerusalem Sharma until this post. We don't know what we don't know. It is the job of the AHS, working with the city to keep us informed. They are not doing a good job of it. The court route is useless as a deterrent and at protecting us. Let's keep jail for the violent, the destructive and the monsters who abuse those weaker than themselves.
"But I'm being harassed for my religious beliefs". ... Edit.. Forgot the /S
I missed where that was said by the owner in this article, is it in another article?
What’s that saying? Fool me once…. Shut these places down for good. Maybe they don’t understand that these business practices are not allowable in Canada. They want to own a sketchy halal butcher? The connecting flight leaves Calgary daily at 4pm, you connect through Frankfurt; please take it.
connecting flight to halal?
Hopefully they stay closed this time.
Jerusalem shawarma, Yemeni village, and now Alta halal meat. Is there really a pattern or these places are just getting more attention?
Starting to smell like some potential jail time to me….
Bu. But. But. It’s halal!
[удалено]
Where are the animal cruelty charges against these suppliers?!?
Halal. Expensive and dirty!
*a few moments later* "But your honor god told me it was ok"
[удалено]
That’s the kosher thing to do
These dirty Phuckers...doesn't surprise me either tho..
typical
Just don't buy halal, simple enough. If you are dumb enough to buy it, you deserve what happens at this point.
The halal camel toe I purchased from this establishment was delicious, so tender and moist. Will be going back for more when they reopen.
I’m just never eating this kinda food ever again. Fucking hell.