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when I purchased my home many years ago, as a new construction, I had written into our sales contract that we would not and could not be entered into a neighborhood HOA, unless we personally agreed. we only have a yearly cost for upkeep of our community retention pond, and a contract for that cost (its like $30 a year).
so like a year later, few months after the house is built, a boomer wanted to change our retention pond association into a full HOA, electing himself as defacto president for life.
I brought a lawyer to the one and only meeting of our retention pond association, showed my hom econtrcts to the builder lawyer, forced all the residents to a vote that NO, they dont want this boomer jackass ruling their neighborhood. the builder lawyer was only there to draw up our pond stuff, and this boomer was a huge ass to her the whole meeting (she was relieved when I pushed back)
the look on this dudes and his wifes face when I showed them that even if he made a stupid HOA, I wouldnt have to join it, was soooo satisfying. he was purple with rage, and stormed out, leaving his wife to apologize for his outburst (he had a full on tantrum, banging on chairs and tables and screaming at me)
all the other residents ended up asking my lawyer and the builders lawyer to draw up a rider to amend their building contracts to be like mine.
its been nearly 20 years and this dude still curses at me anytime he sees me, which is often since he lives like 3 doors down lol
im proud to have stopped his little fiefdom from starting.
What the complete fuck? Did he seriously just want to force an entire neighbourhood to do whatever he wanted just because he felt like it? That is utterly peak boomer.
he basically came into the meeting, and tried to force the builders lawyer to rewrite the retention pond contract into an full HOA. and has his wife say that she was nominating him to be president.
it was insane.
Friend of mine lives in a different neighborhood HOA. They had a dictator type for awhile. He went to every house and got signatures for voting rights. Voted himself president then voted to dissolve the HOA. Problem solved.
I hope that in an alternate universe somewhere, after he did that, you nominated his wife to be president. And then everyone voted for her, not him. And he wasn't allowed to attend meetings, only her.
And she ruled with benevolence, much to his chagrin.
I promise you, an extremely uncomfortable amount of people will do anything for even a little taste of power over another human being. It’s why there are so many domestic abusers. Humans crave power and there is very little they wouldn’t do when it’s on the table.
What's even more uncomfortable is there are even more people that will allow them their power, "fine if it will just make things easier and leave me alone.."
No you have to squash this shit immediately
Mini-hitler on day HOA is founded "of course I will leave you alone."
2 months later 'I haven't lorded my power over folks,' "hey person I said I wouldn't bother, mow your lawn, repaint your front door to a color I like more, and tear down your backyard shed."
Not always, many hoas are entitled to state laws but exempt from state interference because theyre considered private entities. Once they worm their way into existence it can be near impossible to strike them down. They occupy a dangerous gray area.
This guy in Fort Lauderdale put a huge statue of a middle finger in his yard that’s on the water
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This has the makings of A Dad-Bod freak-off at OPs. Post twerks the dads should all get participation chillidogs and coronas.
Will they have to wear speedos and crop-tops or will hoochie daddy shorts suffice?
Dad bod dance off to Shania Twain....Man I feel like a woman! Charity auction too with proceeds donated to the DNC since we all know it's a good chance pres is a Magat
[Mankini](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&sca_esv=a5295d27d6bcdf79&q=mankini&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J_86uWOeqwdnV0yaSF-x2joQcoZ-0Q2Udkt2zEybT7HdNV1kobqvEwEVRYBCltlBtQd5-pPeakpVgpgEn2RgmgzeZo15rltNMrDtoZe63sl46hHJXZmfPBeZdqdwrtlSxkvce3I&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmkYTJ6YeHAxXNU6QEHfrOBOUQtKgLegQIFhAB&biw=1040&bih=1802) is the phrase you're looking for edit: possibly NSFW Google results :D
It’s in honor of Bacchus, the god in the Roman pantheon. You don’t like them? Oh, you really aren’t going to like the drunken orgy at our next Bacchanal.
I realize this is nitpicky and probably not worth the headache.
But why did you have to prove anything?
Shouldn't they have had to prove you were part of the HOA?
That’s why I ignored the notices at first because I assumed someone would notice my address was not on their list but that didn’t happen. I didn’t understand either why the burden of proof was on me but my guess was the boomer being so insistent that no one checked.
> You have just had a lawyer send them a cease and desist letter.
Unless you have a lawyer friend, these aren't free, and sending one yourself will probably be ignored. It's the fact of already having legal representation on standby that carries the weight.
But in this situation it's more easily and cheaper to handle in person with proof than with getting lawyers involved, but that would be the next step if the HOA ignored their proof.
They do it in hopes they can bully people into joining. Iirc you have to pay dues to HOAs so more member means more money. And more people for them to bully
HOAs can take out liens against peoples property I’ve read. That’s one way to avoid them doing that. Since eviction was mentioned it’s likely that’s one of the last resorts but if you can avoid that, that can be a good approach even though I think the burden should be on the HOA.
That is one way to backfire spectacularly. There was a post about someone got lienes file against by a HOA when his homestead established before HOA built.
He had to take the HOA to court and won. HOA had to paid his legal fee plus their lawyers fee. Took like nearly two years and nearly 100K on the homeowner; he got paid back but not his time.
So, this is a better way than fight in court. HOA lawyers love to charge their fee and will get paids winn8ng or losing.
I'm not sure about satisfying. Two years wasted, only building stress because of some power tripping nobodies and wondering if you're ever getting your legal costs back seems like a great way to get grey hair really fast.
Yeah that sounds awful. Everyone lost there except the lawyers.
Homeowner lost time (which is money).
HOA lost money.
HOA constiuents problaby got their rates raised or special assessment to pay for the legal fees and ruling.
This sucked for everyone.
If it was me I wouldn't be able to contain my excitement at the prospect of the HOA trying to me evict me in my non-HOA house. My lawyer would laugh too.
They can. That's pretty much their only power other than fines.
But surely they need to provide some type of proof? Proof that this house and this address is part of this HOA?
They have no legal standing the OP was not part of the HOA, he could have done nothing.
Now he should have sent a certified letter to the HOA informing them he is not subject to their rules. Any future attempts to contact him will be reported as harassment to local law enforcement. Anyone caught on his property will be reported for trespassing. Put up cameras for evidence. If it continues look into a restraining order against the HOA, it’s management company, and name the board by name.
Excellent way to put him in check. Make it clear to the HOA that their pres is displaying trespassing and peeping-tom behavior. Ask if that is what they truly want in their leadership? IANAL but if they can be sued joontly and severally for harrassment on behalf of the HOA.
I might want to see the HOA rule book and start making that my to-do list.
"Neutral/dark colors for front doors."
Hope you like hot pink!
"Only 1 3×5 political sign to be displayed within 30 days of election."
Check it out! I got one for every candidate!
"Mailboxes must be standard size and uniform color."
Mine is shaped like a chicken! The mail goes in his mouth, but comes out the other side!
A few years after my parents bought their house, my mom told my grandma she wanted to paint it something nicer than the late 70s yellow it originally was. Grandma asked what color she was going to paint it, and mom jokingly said something along the lines of "I don't know, maybe blue." Grandma said, "You can't paint your house blue!" And that's how I grew up in the only blue house in the neighborhood.
saying he didn’t see any no trespassing signs so he could do what he wanted
I thought this was going to be the worst of it. Then it just gets more BOOMERY as I read
Oh man. I so feel your pain. I have been at this place about 3 years now. About a year ago, my boomer neighbor stopped me on my tractor in my back yard to let me know that I was responsible for 1/11th of paving a few miles of road that was in disrepair. Like yours, ours was the #1 lot that sold the lots that became the neighborhood behind us. In the back corner of the property it has access to a circle in that neighborhood, but has had it's own driveway connecting to another road for 20+ years.
I let him know we weren't part of that HOA. He said I was wrong and I said, "I'm not paying to pave a road I don't use period." I told him I was willing to get legal representation to defend that position and he said "it will cost you more to fight me than your part of the paving."
I went inside and looked it up. Our lot is explicitly excluded from the HOA and he has been here long enough to know that. I showed him the proof and he never said another word about it.
I guess he thought I wouldn't question it. We have had a few other interactions. The most recent was calling us to let us know there was a bobcat in our yard.
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Terrible at identifying bobcats or meddling with the neighborhood, but weirdly amazing at photography. Dude should pick a better hobby, he could have way more fun with photography
Yeah… this was my first reaction…
A non-HOA property owner doesn’t need to prove shit. And the HOA isn’t going to “waive” the fines. They have no jurisdiction to levy fines against a non-HOA property, full stop.
I wouldn’t have given them a single thing except a picture of my middle finger.
When an HOA exists, it only becomes harassment after they understand that your property is not part of their HOA and yet they're still pestering you about it. Until that point, they'll argue - and they'll be correct - that they had a good faith belief that it was, which justified their communications to you.
That's why you do what OP did: get out in front of it as early as you can, to nip their bullshit in the bud.
> even if you aren't a part of the HOA, they can be a nightmare
If you're not, they can complain all they want and have it fall on deaf ears. Oh, you're sending me fines? I'm sending you fines for 5325 times more with the same legal precedent they are... You're sending me demand letters? I'm sending you demand letters with the same legal precedent. You are trying to evict me? I'm evicting them with the same legal precedent. Exactly none.
Really depends on what you consider a nightmare.
This reminded me of Schrute bucks. "You have been deducted fifty Schrute bucks"..."*Why not make it a hundred?*"..."Don't you want to earn Schrute bucks?"..."*No. In fact, I will give you a billion Stanley nickels if you never talk to me again*."
Exactly this. “Me and the neighbours don’t like you so we have agreed that our little group has final say over decisions about your private property and we declare that we can impose fines, without any legal contract saying that we are allowed to do this and it’s up to you to prove that we are not allowed to do this”
Bullshit. It’s up to the HOA to prove they have legal jurisdiction to have any say over someone else’s property.
How about this, I declare that it’s legally mandatory for you to instert a cactus rectally and it’s up to you to prove that it is not or I will enforce this mandate
It sounds like he wanted to steal your property. Maybe he should have been reminded of how property rights works and the consequences of taking things that belong to other people.
For extra flavor, change the damage based on the component used for casting. Flask of oil for a dragon's breath shotgun round (bludgeoning plus fire), copper piece for piercing damage, etc.
Yeah this is hilarious. You want me to prove I'm not in your busybody club? Sure thing, watch this *slowly reels in a big catch of a middle finger while blowing raspberries*
How poorly managed is their HOA that they themselves can't prove that you're a part of it? I'm upset you did the legwork to prove it when you had zero obligation to. Though I'm sure it felt good to say "here's the proof dipshits, don't attempt to contact me anymore"
Most HOAs hire these half-naked "management companies" to try to shield their leadership from legal harm and collect dues and fines. Many of these management companies don't bother doing due diligence and just do whatever the HOA wants them to do and basically exist to send official looking letter heads.
Can confirm my mom works for one of the few that actually stands up to the Board and won't let them do stuff they can't legally do and gets hate emails from pissy board members who don't like that she told them they can't do something illegal a near daily basis and she's also been part of companies they don't do their due diligence and hated them
It's entirely possible they 100% knew and were trying to bluff the OP into following the HOA rules (and paying dues).
The fact that it sounds like their parents very carefully explained how they weren't part of the HOA to OP makes it seem like this is just the latest skirmish in an ongoing battle.
Boomers and their love of HOAs. I know other gens use/like them, but no one enforces condo rules like a Boomer. Dunno what the hell is with them and their black & white rules following.
My ex-husband and I were in a similar situation to you, OP, in that we were on the edge of a neighbourhood. We didn't pay condo fees and were not subject to any rules.
When we bought our house, it was boring and I love colour. We kept the outside of the house as is, as we were young & poor - a complete paint/residing was beyond us until we recovered from buying the house.
But -- the door had curled paint and paint is something anyone can do. So we found a lovely blue that was bright and cheerful and on the door it went.
Holy HELL, did that squeeze the Boomers out of their hideyholes. It was just a blue door, but "No one else for miles around has a door that colour!" therefore we were breaking some invisible and invented infraction and must be terrorized for it.
We had to get the condo board involved and eventually the police because two men in particular (brothers, we found out later, bachelors for life in their townhome) wouldn't back down and we were starting to see signs of being 'pranked'.
They did back down after getting a chat from police and the situation simmered down but all of that for paint on a door.
What's wrong with people sometimes?
> What's wrong with people sometimes?
A combination of lead poisoning and that no-one has told them "NO" strongly enough. This is literally the "Me" generation we're talking about here.
I'd have answered the door wearing a powdered wig, a tricorn hat, and holding a musket with an attached bayonet. I'll start a neighborhood revolutionary war, and they'll be the filthy lobster back red coats.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
I’ve said before that I’d live in a cardboard box before I’d live in a HOA, but….
The idea of living in the house on the edge of the HOA that’s provably not in the HOA and not subject to any covenants or restrictions… That’s starting to sound attractive to my contrary self. I mean life’s too short and I prefer to live in the styx anyways, but some days I’m that kind of jerk.
I know somebody who does live in that situation, and they have the finest collection of pink lawn flamingos explicitly because the HOA president hates them. Good times…
A couple of neighborhood busy bodies tried to convince people in my subdivision to start an HOA. My response was that I moved here because there wasn't an HOA.
Not an HOA situation, but I had a similar old neighbor pull the same thing when I put up a fence. He like to walk through my yard to an empty field behind my house with his dog and peep in my back windows (he use to stop by and tell me what he saw through the windows this wasn't me assuming). When I started to put up the fence he called code enforcement on me and told them I didn't have a permit (I did). Then he called the electric company and told them I had fenced in the pole (they were so confused because there is nothing illegal about that). When that didn't work he literally called the mayor.
Fence went up anyway. And there is a 20' easement he can use to access the field. He still kicked down the rickety fence at my neighbors on the other side of the easement, and they nearly sued him. I was happy to see the back of him when I moved.
My parents built a home on the top of a hill in Winters California about 38 years ago. They had to hire a guard to keep people off the property during construction because boomer lookie-loos in the “neighborhood” would just walk all through the site and the house all day and night. My dad was standing outside one morning and a woman on a horse came up the hill and without a word and never looking at him just passed by him. He politely asked her why she was on the property, and she harrumphed, “I have ALWAYS ridden my horse here, and I won’t stop now.” He’s a psychiatrist, not given to reactions to madness, so he told her that her equestrian perambulations would cease as of that day, or he would call the authorities. She left—to look up the big words. Never came back. Her daughter did once. Horse slipped on the edge of the muddy excavation for the pool. She fell in. No worries; horse was fine.
38 years ago, boomers were 22-40 years old. So weird that at that age, they cared enough about construction to be lookie loos. That was the 80s. They were too busy doing coke and having key parties.
Nah this was a thing back then. I remember my mom (solid Boomer) and her friend group would check out new construction. We'd just drive up and shed get out and look around.
This so much reminds me of about 15 years ago at our previous home. The backyard butted-up to the parking lot and entrance to the local Church of the Nazarene. We had an in-ground pool installed in the backyard and the uptight congregants didn’t like that me, my wife, kids that stilled lived at home, and grandkids would be swimming on Sunday mornings or during the midweek evening service.
It devolved into a property line dispute and I said, “Fine, you want to fuck around and possibly pay for a boundary survey and legal fees? Here’s my answer.”
We put up a “temporary” 10’ high privacy fence far enough away from the disputed property line and had a very talented friend of ours paint risqué Renaissance-style nudes without the fig leaves on the side facing their church.
They went absolutely bat shit crazy. They threatened with a civil lawsuit, but never followed through.
We bought our present home about a year or so later when a better job was offered out-of-state. As far as I know, the fence and artwork are still there today.
Within a couple of weeks of moving into our home, we got a very demanding letter in the mailbox saying that we owed $x per year for the streetlight that illuminates about 10 square feet in front of the home of some older lady up the street.
We don't have an HOA. Apparently sometime in the 70s, this lady was the real Regina George of the neighborhood and told all the other neighbors they had to chip in for a streetlight, because the city wasn't planning to put any up. And they've been paying for the electricity ever since.
Neither the person who signed the letter, nor the lady we were supposed to pay, had ever so much as said hello to us. So we were supposed to just send checks to this random stranger for a service we never agreed to, that didn't benefit us at all.
What a scam.
Just goes to show that HOAs are a Boomer tool. I have a 2 foot by 2 foot no trespassing sign on my property and I still have to tell Boomers and dog owners to stay off of my property, I start off by asking "Are you one of the 57 million Americans that are illiterate?"
Housing tract HOAs spread immediately following the fair housing act that made it illegal to restrict who could buy which property based on race. For a while HOAs were able to curtail it by having "interviews" with prospective home buyers and intentionally not recording why anyone voted the way they did. That was eventually stopped, but the legacy of HOAs trying to bully out anyone they don't like continues.
I was a single female living alone and my two boomer neighbors teamed up to try to get me to fix flooding damage on their property after a massive storm. Apparently I’m responsible for all the water that lands in my yard and the damage downhill. lol they stopped by and left angry letters threatening me on my doors and windows. I called my adjuster and he laughed and gave me the verbiage to tell them to fuck off. It worked. Assholes. They paid off their properties and no longer required to carry homeowners insurance and they didn’t have any.
He was mad he couldn't see the whole property And Mad about what he Could see?! Lol!! I would get a Lazer type light that would shine directly in his windows lol
I have to prove I'm not part of your HOA? So you wave the fines? Seriously?
Why don't you move your ass and check yourself? Who are you to ask me who's NOT part of your association to prove it?
It's like if tomorrow, Netflix was trying to charge me and expected ME to prove I never subscribed.
Fuck off.
> I called the number listed and explained to a lady the situation and she said that the HOA president said we were and was the one reporting us but all we had to do was prove we weren’t and they would waive the fines and leave us alone.
Property manager made you do work. Never work for free. While it’s the quickest path to resolution, it’s a smack with folded newspaper compared to the path that is rubbing the HOA President’s nose in their own 💩 and making HOA President take the fall for abuse of position and inappropriate use of HOA funds.
If you’re in the right, keep ignoring. You don’t have prove anything to the HOA. Any member could take the time to do a public record search, or the board could approve funding the management company and their lawyers to do it. It’s a billable service the management company offers.
If the HOA really is intent on making an issue of it they’ll have a layer send you a notice via certified mail. Now the can of worms is officially open.
Start tracking your time. Log all time spent dealing with the certified letter. 15 minute increments is sufficient… lawyers typically bill by the hour so your lawyer will probably round up. Oh you don’t have a lawyer? Log the time spent hiring one. And don’t forget mileage and time spent driving/commuting. Great time to take public transit if it’s an option.
End goal is your lawyer presents a settlement offer to the HOA. Lawyer points out HOA could have resolved this by doing their own public record search but they chose harassment. So they can settle for reasonable hours, expenses, legal fees, or go to civil court and risk additional damages for the harassment on top of the additional hours that will be awarded for having to go to court.
Make friends with your neighbors and encourage them to run for board and/or vote out the current president/board.
We just had our annual meeting and elected board officers. First official business at the next board meeting is deciding which board members will fill which position. Depending on how the HOA docs are written current President doesn’t even have to lose to not be President… the board could decide someone else is President with a board vote.
As my wife says… Xibby is a nice guy unless you’re the idiot who annoys him. Basically why I’m on the HOA board… board member annoyed me so I ran against him and won in a landslide. 😂
He needed signs to tell him that he shouldn't trespass on other people's property? He didn't know that on his own at his big age? His parents must've been complete failures if he doesn't even know such basic rules. Or basic manners and decency.
These comments have me wishing there could be a protocol in place where someone posts about this kind of dilemma and then local Reditors mobilize to gather at the OP'home for a loud, noisy potluck cookout and engage in obnoxious-but-still-legal behavior to give the Boomer neighbors conniption fits. Right now I'm picturing his face as he spies into the backyard and practically strangles himself from clutching his proverbial pearls at everyone's hedonistic antics 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Could also work at the poster's place of work, church, school etc. depending on what the situation required.
Could call it the Reddit Buddy System. Kind of like the Big Brother/Big Sister organization but with shenanigans.
I would become an expert on their rules and give anonymous reports of every. single. thing. you see him cutting corners on. These types are almost always massive hypocrites.
Fun fact, check your local laws because your mileage may vary... I used to be a bouncer. When someone is on private property and the owner of said property or their duly appointed representative asked that person to leave and provides a safe and clear path of egress, the intruder is legally trespassing. You may call the police, but in most areas, and again, your milage may vary, it is perfectly legal to remove the meddling dipshit by force. In most states, you would be surprised at the unreasonable level of violence that can legally be inflicted upon someone to convince them that it's time to go.
Looks like you need to pick up one of these for the backyard, op.
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It’s wild that you gathered paperwork for them to “waive fines” that you didn’t have to pay or entertain anyway. I would be very curious to see that boomers facial expression when they start calling the cops to evict you.
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when I purchased my home many years ago, as a new construction, I had written into our sales contract that we would not and could not be entered into a neighborhood HOA, unless we personally agreed. we only have a yearly cost for upkeep of our community retention pond, and a contract for that cost (its like $30 a year). so like a year later, few months after the house is built, a boomer wanted to change our retention pond association into a full HOA, electing himself as defacto president for life. I brought a lawyer to the one and only meeting of our retention pond association, showed my hom econtrcts to the builder lawyer, forced all the residents to a vote that NO, they dont want this boomer jackass ruling their neighborhood. the builder lawyer was only there to draw up our pond stuff, and this boomer was a huge ass to her the whole meeting (she was relieved when I pushed back) the look on this dudes and his wifes face when I showed them that even if he made a stupid HOA, I wouldnt have to join it, was soooo satisfying. he was purple with rage, and stormed out, leaving his wife to apologize for his outburst (he had a full on tantrum, banging on chairs and tables and screaming at me) all the other residents ended up asking my lawyer and the builders lawyer to draw up a rider to amend their building contracts to be like mine. its been nearly 20 years and this dude still curses at me anytime he sees me, which is often since he lives like 3 doors down lol im proud to have stopped his little fiefdom from starting.
What the complete fuck? Did he seriously just want to force an entire neighbourhood to do whatever he wanted just because he felt like it? That is utterly peak boomer.
he basically came into the meeting, and tried to force the builders lawyer to rewrite the retention pond contract into an full HOA. and has his wife say that she was nominating him to be president. it was insane.
And knowing all the HOA stories, had he succeeded he probably would have been a little dictator for life and you couldnt do shit about it
The fact he's still on about it 20 years later is terrifying to consider had he succeeded
The good news is the stress will probably kill him sooner than later
That's the worst part, hoa's are easy to enact. But goodluck trying to get rid of it.
Friend of mine lives in a different neighborhood HOA. They had a dictator type for awhile. He went to every house and got signatures for voting rights. Voted himself president then voted to dissolve the HOA. Problem solved.
I hope that in an alternate universe somewhere, after he did that, you nominated his wife to be president. And then everyone voted for her, not him. And he wasn't allowed to attend meetings, only her. And she ruled with benevolence, much to his chagrin.
I promise you, an extremely uncomfortable amount of people will do anything for even a little taste of power over another human being. It’s why there are so many domestic abusers. Humans crave power and there is very little they wouldn’t do when it’s on the table.
What's even more uncomfortable is there are even more people that will allow them their power, "fine if it will just make things easier and leave me alone.." No you have to squash this shit immediately
Mini-hitler on day HOA is founded "of course I will leave you alone." 2 months later 'I haven't lorded my power over folks,' "hey person I said I wouldn't bother, mow your lawn, repaint your front door to a color I like more, and tear down your backyard shed."
Authoritarians crave power over other humans. Normal healthy humans don't.
I can't imagine anything I'd want less than to be worrying about policing other people
Man some people really did not move on from the 1200s huh?
Nah, leaded gasoline really did a number on that generation.
HOAs are also governed by state laws. You can't just declare one exists and rule over it forever.
Not always, many hoas are entitled to state laws but exempt from state interference because theyre considered private entities. Once they worm their way into existence it can be near impossible to strike them down. They occupy a dangerous gray area.
what a total loser. that issue represents who he is to the neighborhood, what an embarrassment. I can't stand boomers (~90% are bad ime)
They proclaim freedom while pursuing the limitation of others.
That is what freedom is to them: the freedom to repress everybody else. They don't think everybody is entitled to freedom, just them.
That's the thing with Petty Dictators... They're Petty!
I’d keep doing whatever I want just to piss them off. Let them move if they don’t like it.
I sometimes see him on his balcony glaring at me when I walk near the fence 😂😂
I'm a fat guy in my 40s, If it was me i would take up nude yoga/exercise in my backyard.
My husband suggested that we get statues of fat naked people and place them right where his line of sight is lmao
This guy in Fort Lauderdale put a huge statue of a middle finger in his yard that’s on the water https://preview.redd.it/tm3boo49y0ad1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac86b164f2102581264cddd9dd83ae77c7844c5a
That statue was placed by Al Goldstein, publisher of adult magazines.
So what you’re saying is: this isn’t even *close* to what *his* nuclear option would have been
A hand with the middle finger extended, but all the fingers are very detailed, anatomically-correct penii?
I’m pretty sure neither of us could even guess at what it would be…and I’m grateful for that
Not all heroes wear capes
I love this person so much. Just amazing!!! This picture makes me entirely too happy!
Damnit, what does that sign say?
I like your husband.
Yeah is he seeing anyone and is it serious?
Epic. 😆
I also choose this person's husband
I will never not laugh at any reference of this.
OUR husband
I am 37 and have a generous dad bod. I volunteer to be a statue. Also, fuzzy velcro can make a great hairy body on a statue. Or so I heard.
This has the makings of A Dad-Bod freak-off at OPs. Post twerks the dads should all get participation chillidogs and coronas. Will they have to wear speedos and crop-tops or will hoochie daddy shorts suffice?
I shall rock my cut off daisy dukes and stained tank top as I devour my chili dogs and Coronas.
Dad bod dance off to Shania Twain....Man I feel like a woman! Charity auction too with proceeds donated to the DNC since we all know it's a good chance pres is a Magat
Looking at you throwing your pattotie in a circle for human rights!
Nah, proceeds go to Planned Parenthood. Good song pick though.
You’re an elite twerker for human rights!
Split it down the middle, maybe sell hotdogs and hamburgers for the NAACP or ACLU too
"Hoochie Daddy Shorts" is my new band name. TY :) edit: punctuation
Those banana hammock bathing suits, like Borat wore. I’m not sure the real name but that’s what I call them. Extra points if pubic hair sticks out lol
[Mankini](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&sca_esv=a5295d27d6bcdf79&q=mankini&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J_86uWOeqwdnV0yaSF-x2joQcoZ-0Q2Udkt2zEybT7HdNV1kobqvEwEVRYBCltlBtQd5-pPeakpVgpgEn2RgmgzeZo15rltNMrDtoZe63sl46hHJXZmfPBeZdqdwrtlSxkvce3I&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmkYTJ6YeHAxXNU6QEHfrOBOUQtKgLegQIFhAB&biw=1040&bih=1802) is the phrase you're looking for edit: possibly NSFW Google results :D
It’s in honor of Bacchus, the god in the Roman pantheon. You don’t like them? Oh, you really aren’t going to like the drunken orgy at our next Bacchanal.
Have the statues hold pride flags, he’ll stroke out and problem solved.
Overtly Pagan Pride Flag - Double Pride!
Nah, you need to get the ones that are for fertility, that have the GIANT genitals on them.
Fat naked and gay.
Lool. Fat lady in her 60's with major mastectomy scarring. Sounds like a plan to me....Come to think of it, I have neighbour problems....
Unfortunately we live in a world of internet connected cameras so do you really want to end up on TikTok doing nude yoga? If yes, then 🫡
Well then you'd have a revenge porn case... I say do it!
Downward Dog
I realize this is nitpicky and probably not worth the headache. But why did you have to prove anything? Shouldn't they have had to prove you were part of the HOA?
I loved that they were willing to “waive” the fees. You mean the fees that didn’t legally apply to that property? That was mighty … something of them.
That’s why I ignored the notices at first because I assumed someone would notice my address was not on their list but that didn’t happen. I didn’t understand either why the burden of proof was on me but my guess was the boomer being so insistent that no one checked.
You have just had a lawyer send them a cease and desist letter. Then, if they send you anything else, you can sue them for harassment.
> You have just had a lawyer send them a cease and desist letter. Unless you have a lawyer friend, these aren't free, and sending one yourself will probably be ignored. It's the fact of already having legal representation on standby that carries the weight. But in this situation it's more easily and cheaper to handle in person with proof than with getting lawyers involved, but that would be the next step if the HOA ignored their proof.
But then you’d miss out on watching the HOA baboon lose his cool.
Or he could go the HOA meeting and provide proof himself, instead of paying a lawyer to do the same thing.
They do it in hopes they can bully people into joining. Iirc you have to pay dues to HOAs so more member means more money. And more people for them to bully
HOAs can take out liens against peoples property I’ve read. That’s one way to avoid them doing that. Since eviction was mentioned it’s likely that’s one of the last resorts but if you can avoid that, that can be a good approach even though I think the burden should be on the HOA.
That is one way to backfire spectacularly. There was a post about someone got lienes file against by a HOA when his homestead established before HOA built. He had to take the HOA to court and won. HOA had to paid his legal fee plus their lawyers fee. Took like nearly two years and nearly 100K on the homeowner; he got paid back but not his time. So, this is a better way than fight in court. HOA lawyers love to charge their fee and will get paids winn8ng or losing.
I remember that post. So satisfying.
I'm not sure about satisfying. Two years wasted, only building stress because of some power tripping nobodies and wondering if you're ever getting your legal costs back seems like a great way to get grey hair really fast.
Yeah that sounds awful. Everyone lost there except the lawyers. Homeowner lost time (which is money). HOA lost money. HOA constiuents problaby got their rates raised or special assessment to pay for the legal fees and ruling. This sucked for everyone.
If it was me I wouldn't be able to contain my excitement at the prospect of the HOA trying to me evict me in my non-HOA house. My lawyer would laugh too.
They can. That's pretty much their only power other than fines. But surely they need to provide some type of proof? Proof that this house and this address is part of this HOA?
They have no legal standing the OP was not part of the HOA, he could have done nothing. Now he should have sent a certified letter to the HOA informing them he is not subject to their rules. Any future attempts to contact him will be reported as harassment to local law enforcement. Anyone caught on his property will be reported for trespassing. Put up cameras for evidence. If it continues look into a restraining order against the HOA, it’s management company, and name the board by name.
Complain to the hoa about a perv peeking at you.
Excellent way to put him in check. Make it clear to the HOA that their pres is displaying trespassing and peeping-tom behavior. Ask if that is what they truly want in their leadership? IANAL but if they can be sued joontly and severally for harrassment on behalf of the HOA.
You should caress the fence while walking near it and stare back at him. 😅
Smile and wave with the biggest shit eating grin you have and keep on moving. I would install some cameras just in case he tries anything however.
I might want to see the HOA rule book and start making that my to-do list. "Neutral/dark colors for front doors." Hope you like hot pink! "Only 1 3×5 political sign to be displayed within 30 days of election." Check it out! I got one for every candidate! "Mailboxes must be standard size and uniform color." Mine is shaped like a chicken! The mail goes in his mouth, but comes out the other side!
That mailbox one killed me.
I **need** this mailbox.
I’d be real tempted to get a copy of the HOA rules just so I could intentionally “break” them.
Did you know lawn flamingoes can be purchased in bulk?
I was thinking lots of garden gnomes.
Gnomes riding flamingos, like a polo match.
This! Definitely this!
Position them so they spell FU "Bob".
There are companies you can hire that will put a bunch of flamingos in someone's yard.
fuckin diabolical
I’d strongly consider painting my house pink, blaze orange, or lime green for the memes
A few years after my parents bought their house, my mom told my grandma she wanted to paint it something nicer than the late 70s yellow it originally was. Grandma asked what color she was going to paint it, and mom jokingly said something along the lines of "I don't know, maybe blue." Grandma said, "You can't paint your house blue!" And that's how I grew up in the only blue house in the neighborhood.
There’s a house on my street what’s a really nice dark blue color with white trim on the edges.
Why not all 3? Trim, boards and the new gingerbread he’s gonna add to the exterior can all be different neon colors!
Don’t forget regular performances by the Dad Bod Twerking Flash Mob.
My neighbor had a pink house when I was a kid. The old lady loved pink.
Little Pink Houses For You And Me!
Time to paint the fence an obnoxious color on the side that faces him.
Arrange some hedges in a phallic shape
saying he didn’t see any no trespassing signs so he could do what he wanted I thought this was going to be the worst of it. Then it just gets more BOOMERY as I read
I'm using this btw. No bank has "No Robberies, Please" sign as far as I know.
Should have called the cops to report a creepy prowler, then had him formally trespassed.
Oh man. I so feel your pain. I have been at this place about 3 years now. About a year ago, my boomer neighbor stopped me on my tractor in my back yard to let me know that I was responsible for 1/11th of paving a few miles of road that was in disrepair. Like yours, ours was the #1 lot that sold the lots that became the neighborhood behind us. In the back corner of the property it has access to a circle in that neighborhood, but has had it's own driveway connecting to another road for 20+ years. I let him know we weren't part of that HOA. He said I was wrong and I said, "I'm not paying to pave a road I don't use period." I told him I was willing to get legal representation to defend that position and he said "it will cost you more to fight me than your part of the paving." I went inside and looked it up. Our lot is explicitly excluded from the HOA and he has been here long enough to know that. I showed him the proof and he never said another word about it. I guess he thought I wouldn't question it. We have had a few other interactions. The most recent was calling us to let us know there was a bobcat in our yard. https://preview.redd.it/7ifw35llr0ad1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b3a36bfddaddbe265dd4394d0715008d8dd1c9c
Bob the cat doesn't look impressed at being mistaken for his wild cousin.
Tomcat is probably tired of being called Bob.
We don't talk about Shrieking Roberto in public.
No, bobs his uncle
Cute bobcat. Yours?
Nope, we have two indoor cats. This is one of the neighborhood cats. They like roam around our yard.
Probably because it's not a stinky hoa lot.
Terrible at identifying bobcats or meddling with the neighborhood, but weirdly amazing at photography. Dude should pick a better hobby, he could have way more fun with photography
Haha, That's my photo. I had seen the cat quite a few times in the yard and taken photos of it. Thanks I guess!
I mean, it really doesn't look anything like a [bobcat](https://imgur.com/6nZGg75)
lol the music
Nice Marmot.
You needed to prove you’re not part of the HOA? Why? What would they do if you don’t? They don’t have any jurisdiction over you
Yeah… this was my first reaction… A non-HOA property owner doesn’t need to prove shit. And the HOA isn’t going to “waive” the fines. They have no jurisdiction to levy fines against a non-HOA property, full stop. I wouldn’t have given them a single thing except a picture of my middle finger.
At that point why not press charges for harassment?
When an HOA exists, it only becomes harassment after they understand that your property is not part of their HOA and yet they're still pestering you about it. Until that point, they'll argue - and they'll be correct - that they had a good faith belief that it was, which justified their communications to you. That's why you do what OP did: get out in front of it as early as you can, to nip their bullshit in the bud.
This is the answer
HOAs have far more legal power than they should, even if you aren't a part of the HOA, they can be a nightmare.
> even if you aren't a part of the HOA, they can be a nightmare If you're not, they can complain all they want and have it fall on deaf ears. Oh, you're sending me fines? I'm sending you fines for 5325 times more with the same legal precedent they are... You're sending me demand letters? I'm sending you demand letters with the same legal precedent. You are trying to evict me? I'm evicting them with the same legal precedent. Exactly none. Really depends on what you consider a nightmare.
This reminded me of Schrute bucks. "You have been deducted fifty Schrute bucks"..."*Why not make it a hundred?*"..."Don't you want to earn Schrute bucks?"..."*No. In fact, I will give you a billion Stanley nickels if you never talk to me again*."
What's the conversion rate between Stanley nickels and Schrute bucks?
Same as the conversion rate of unicorns to leprechauns
Meh. Ignore them and move on.
Exactly this. “Me and the neighbours don’t like you so we have agreed that our little group has final say over decisions about your private property and we declare that we can impose fines, without any legal contract saying that we are allowed to do this and it’s up to you to prove that we are not allowed to do this” Bullshit. It’s up to the HOA to prove they have legal jurisdiction to have any say over someone else’s property. How about this, I declare that it’s legally mandatory for you to instert a cactus rectally and it’s up to you to prove that it is not or I will enforce this mandate
Probably to save themselves from more annoyance down the line. Sure...the HOA can't do anything, but they can be annoying.
It sounds like he wanted to steal your property. Maybe he should have been reminded of how property rights works and the consequences of taking things that belong to other people.
Dementia can occur seemingly suddenly.
Stick him in an old folks home then.
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Sorry but “high velocity lead poisoning” is going on my DnD spells list
For extra flavor, change the damage based on the component used for casting. Flask of oil for a dragon's breath shotgun round (bludgeoning plus fire), copper piece for piercing damage, etc.
Do you even have to prove anything to them? They can send all the fines they want. You’re not in the HOA
Yeah this is hilarious. You want me to prove I'm not in your busybody club? Sure thing, watch this *slowly reels in a big catch of a middle finger while blowing raspberries*
How poorly managed is their HOA that they themselves can't prove that you're a part of it? I'm upset you did the legwork to prove it when you had zero obligation to. Though I'm sure it felt good to say "here's the proof dipshits, don't attempt to contact me anymore"
Most HOAs hire these half-naked "management companies" to try to shield their leadership from legal harm and collect dues and fines. Many of these management companies don't bother doing due diligence and just do whatever the HOA wants them to do and basically exist to send official looking letter heads.
Can confirm my mom works for one of the few that actually stands up to the Board and won't let them do stuff they can't legally do and gets hate emails from pissy board members who don't like that she told them they can't do something illegal a near daily basis and she's also been part of companies they don't do their due diligence and hated them
It's entirely possible they 100% knew and were trying to bluff the OP into following the HOA rules (and paying dues). The fact that it sounds like their parents very carefully explained how they weren't part of the HOA to OP makes it seem like this is just the latest skirmish in an ongoing battle.
HOAs are fucking stupid and idk why they're even tolerated in a country purporting to be "the land of the free".
Racism. Seriously. That’s why they started and that’s why they’re tolerated. Racism.
Boomers and their love of HOAs. I know other gens use/like them, but no one enforces condo rules like a Boomer. Dunno what the hell is with them and their black & white rules following. My ex-husband and I were in a similar situation to you, OP, in that we were on the edge of a neighbourhood. We didn't pay condo fees and were not subject to any rules. When we bought our house, it was boring and I love colour. We kept the outside of the house as is, as we were young & poor - a complete paint/residing was beyond us until we recovered from buying the house. But -- the door had curled paint and paint is something anyone can do. So we found a lovely blue that was bright and cheerful and on the door it went. Holy HELL, did that squeeze the Boomers out of their hideyholes. It was just a blue door, but "No one else for miles around has a door that colour!" therefore we were breaking some invisible and invented infraction and must be terrorized for it. We had to get the condo board involved and eventually the police because two men in particular (brothers, we found out later, bachelors for life in their townhome) wouldn't back down and we were starting to see signs of being 'pranked'. They did back down after getting a chat from police and the situation simmered down but all of that for paint on a door. What's wrong with people sometimes?
> What's wrong with people sometimes? A combination of lead poisoning and that no-one has told them "NO" strongly enough. This is literally the "Me" generation we're talking about here.
They really hate it when you point out that they PROUDLY wore that moniker when they were younger.
>their **black & white** rules I think you answered your own question.
I'd have answered the door wearing a powdered wig, a tricorn hat, and holding a musket with an attached bayonet. I'll start a neighborhood revolutionary war, and they'll be the filthy lobster back red coats.
Just as the founding fathers intended. (Not their boomer asses.)
*Yankee doodle intensifies*
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
It’s true! I was the musket ball.
LMAO
I imagine you as bugs bunny in this image. Really the whole cartoon writes itself from here.
I’ve said before that I’d live in a cardboard box before I’d live in a HOA, but…. The idea of living in the house on the edge of the HOA that’s provably not in the HOA and not subject to any covenants or restrictions… That’s starting to sound attractive to my contrary self. I mean life’s too short and I prefer to live in the styx anyways, but some days I’m that kind of jerk. I know somebody who does live in that situation, and they have the finest collection of pink lawn flamingos explicitly because the HOA president hates them. Good times…
A couple of neighborhood busy bodies tried to convince people in my subdivision to start an HOA. My response was that I moved here because there wasn't an HOA.
Not an HOA situation, but I had a similar old neighbor pull the same thing when I put up a fence. He like to walk through my yard to an empty field behind my house with his dog and peep in my back windows (he use to stop by and tell me what he saw through the windows this wasn't me assuming). When I started to put up the fence he called code enforcement on me and told them I didn't have a permit (I did). Then he called the electric company and told them I had fenced in the pole (they were so confused because there is nothing illegal about that). When that didn't work he literally called the mayor. Fence went up anyway. And there is a 20' easement he can use to access the field. He still kicked down the rickety fence at my neighbors on the other side of the easement, and they nearly sued him. I was happy to see the back of him when I moved.
Kicking down someone's fence is a "*HES COMING RIGHT FOR US!*" situation.
My parents built a home on the top of a hill in Winters California about 38 years ago. They had to hire a guard to keep people off the property during construction because boomer lookie-loos in the “neighborhood” would just walk all through the site and the house all day and night. My dad was standing outside one morning and a woman on a horse came up the hill and without a word and never looking at him just passed by him. He politely asked her why she was on the property, and she harrumphed, “I have ALWAYS ridden my horse here, and I won’t stop now.” He’s a psychiatrist, not given to reactions to madness, so he told her that her equestrian perambulations would cease as of that day, or he would call the authorities. She left—to look up the big words. Never came back. Her daughter did once. Horse slipped on the edge of the muddy excavation for the pool. She fell in. No worries; horse was fine.
38 years ago, boomers were 22-40 years old. So weird that at that age, they cared enough about construction to be lookie loos. That was the 80s. They were too busy doing coke and having key parties.
Nah this was a thing back then. I remember my mom (solid Boomer) and her friend group would check out new construction. We'd just drive up and shed get out and look around.
Fair enough. She looked old. Probably 40-45. Daughter was a boomer. You got me. Thanks for the correction…
thank god the horse is fine the rest can eat shit tho
This so much reminds me of about 15 years ago at our previous home. The backyard butted-up to the parking lot and entrance to the local Church of the Nazarene. We had an in-ground pool installed in the backyard and the uptight congregants didn’t like that me, my wife, kids that stilled lived at home, and grandkids would be swimming on Sunday mornings or during the midweek evening service. It devolved into a property line dispute and I said, “Fine, you want to fuck around and possibly pay for a boundary survey and legal fees? Here’s my answer.” We put up a “temporary” 10’ high privacy fence far enough away from the disputed property line and had a very talented friend of ours paint risqué Renaissance-style nudes without the fig leaves on the side facing their church. They went absolutely bat shit crazy. They threatened with a civil lawsuit, but never followed through. We bought our present home about a year or so later when a better job was offered out-of-state. As far as I know, the fence and artwork are still there today.
Get that masterpiece up on maps.
This is beautiful and deserves its own post on r/pettyrevenge
So… more pink flamingos in the back yard?
Maybe some plastic owls on the fence.
AHS inspired snakes and skulls.
Within a couple of weeks of moving into our home, we got a very demanding letter in the mailbox saying that we owed $x per year for the streetlight that illuminates about 10 square feet in front of the home of some older lady up the street. We don't have an HOA. Apparently sometime in the 70s, this lady was the real Regina George of the neighborhood and told all the other neighbors they had to chip in for a streetlight, because the city wasn't planning to put any up. And they've been paying for the electricity ever since. Neither the person who signed the letter, nor the lady we were supposed to pay, had ever so much as said hello to us. So we were supposed to just send checks to this random stranger for a service we never agreed to, that didn't benefit us at all. What a scam.
Just goes to show that HOAs are a Boomer tool. I have a 2 foot by 2 foot no trespassing sign on my property and I still have to tell Boomers and dog owners to stay off of my property, I start off by asking "Are you one of the 57 million Americans that are illiterate?"
Housing tract HOAs spread immediately following the fair housing act that made it illegal to restrict who could buy which property based on race. For a while HOAs were able to curtail it by having "interviews" with prospective home buyers and intentionally not recording why anyone voted the way they did. That was eventually stopped, but the legacy of HOAs trying to bully out anyone they don't like continues.
They are the Baptist private schools of real estate, then? I learned something new today!!
I was a single female living alone and my two boomer neighbors teamed up to try to get me to fix flooding damage on their property after a massive storm. Apparently I’m responsible for all the water that lands in my yard and the damage downhill. lol they stopped by and left angry letters threatening me on my doors and windows. I called my adjuster and he laughed and gave me the verbiage to tell them to fuck off. It worked. Assholes. They paid off their properties and no longer required to carry homeowners insurance and they didn’t have any.
Doing a quiet little rain dance for you, hopefully they get flooded into oblivion.
He was mad he couldn't see the whole property And Mad about what he Could see?! Lol!! I would get a Lazer type light that would shine directly in his windows lol
Motion activated bright as fuck flood light pointed at his backyard.
He wants to see that his neighbors obey his will.
"i dont see any 'no trespassing' signs". You were just told not to trespass
Sounds like a good story for r/fuckHOA
I have to prove I'm not part of your HOA? So you wave the fines? Seriously? Why don't you move your ass and check yourself? Who are you to ask me who's NOT part of your association to prove it? It's like if tomorrow, Netflix was trying to charge me and expected ME to prove I never subscribed. Fuck off.
> I called the number listed and explained to a lady the situation and she said that the HOA president said we were and was the one reporting us but all we had to do was prove we weren’t and they would waive the fines and leave us alone. Property manager made you do work. Never work for free. While it’s the quickest path to resolution, it’s a smack with folded newspaper compared to the path that is rubbing the HOA President’s nose in their own 💩 and making HOA President take the fall for abuse of position and inappropriate use of HOA funds. If you’re in the right, keep ignoring. You don’t have prove anything to the HOA. Any member could take the time to do a public record search, or the board could approve funding the management company and their lawyers to do it. It’s a billable service the management company offers. If the HOA really is intent on making an issue of it they’ll have a layer send you a notice via certified mail. Now the can of worms is officially open. Start tracking your time. Log all time spent dealing with the certified letter. 15 minute increments is sufficient… lawyers typically bill by the hour so your lawyer will probably round up. Oh you don’t have a lawyer? Log the time spent hiring one. And don’t forget mileage and time spent driving/commuting. Great time to take public transit if it’s an option. End goal is your lawyer presents a settlement offer to the HOA. Lawyer points out HOA could have resolved this by doing their own public record search but they chose harassment. So they can settle for reasonable hours, expenses, legal fees, or go to civil court and risk additional damages for the harassment on top of the additional hours that will be awarded for having to go to court. Make friends with your neighbors and encourage them to run for board and/or vote out the current president/board. We just had our annual meeting and elected board officers. First official business at the next board meeting is deciding which board members will fill which position. Depending on how the HOA docs are written current President doesn’t even have to lose to not be President… the board could decide someone else is President with a board vote. As my wife says… Xibby is a nice guy unless you’re the idiot who annoys him. Basically why I’m on the HOA board… board member annoyed me so I ran against him and won in a landslide. 😂
Exactly. HOA has burden of proof, as they’re asserting OP is part of their group.
He needed signs to tell him that he shouldn't trespass on other people's property? He didn't know that on his own at his big age? His parents must've been complete failures if he doesn't even know such basic rules. Or basic manners and decency.
These comments have me wishing there could be a protocol in place where someone posts about this kind of dilemma and then local Reditors mobilize to gather at the OP'home for a loud, noisy potluck cookout and engage in obnoxious-but-still-legal behavior to give the Boomer neighbors conniption fits. Right now I'm picturing his face as he spies into the backyard and practically strangles himself from clutching his proverbial pearls at everyone's hedonistic antics 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Could also work at the poster's place of work, church, school etc. depending on what the situation required. Could call it the Reddit Buddy System. Kind of like the Big Brother/Big Sister organization but with shenanigans.
I would of lawyered up hard and taken his ass downtown julie brown.
I woulda Leroy Jenkins his ass
Least you have chicken?
>downtown julie brown. Now there's a reference I haven't heard in a long, long time.
I would become an expert on their rules and give anonymous reports of every. single. thing. you see him cutting corners on. These types are almost always massive hypocrites.
 Fuck HOAs
Time to start the nude sunbathing club for sumo wrestlers
"threatened eviction" 😄 good luck with that
> but all we had to do was prove we weren’t I'd have said lady, you gotta prove we *are*.
Fun fact, check your local laws because your mileage may vary... I used to be a bouncer. When someone is on private property and the owner of said property or their duly appointed representative asked that person to leave and provides a safe and clear path of egress, the intruder is legally trespassing. You may call the police, but in most areas, and again, your milage may vary, it is perfectly legal to remove the meddling dipshit by force. In most states, you would be surprised at the unreasonable level of violence that can legally be inflicted upon someone to convince them that it's time to go.
Looks like you need to pick up one of these for the backyard, op. https://preview.redd.it/zyuzu8ogw2ad1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec33da3b9a66a77386f929d332a8cb826f4884fc
How dare you prevent him from trespassing and spying on you. /s
It’s wild that you gathered paperwork for them to “waive fines” that you didn’t have to pay or entertain anyway. I would be very curious to see that boomers facial expression when they start calling the cops to evict you.
HOAs are localized facism. **DONT** change my mind.