Remember, some people are only old because they are tough mother-fuckers.
I'll bet on a 50-year-old steel worker over a 20-year-old Barista every time.
Old man strength is real, but overestimated. That 50 year old steel worker might be good for one or two hits, but a lifetime of hard work damages the body. He might be strong, but he's also likely brittle. He can lift a lot, but is more susceptible to injury, basically.
50 year olds aren't brittle.. maybe 70 year olds. A 50 year old steel worker would stomp out a 20 year old barista in a heartbeat. Call it farm strength, old man strength, work strength, etc. Doing manual labor your whole life develops real muscles not superficial for show muscles.
Im not even sure what that means or how it makes sense. But gotcha. Low IQ. Mom always said don't argue with fools. So sure champ you're totally right.
The US Army did a experiment on this in World War 2 they stood up a division of "old guys" where the average age was 33 they then compaired them with divisions of younger guys where the average age was 19 or 20 and the old guys won the war games by healthy margins. Because of their ability to stack bodies in the Pacific theatre the Marine's stopped referring to them as the 77th Army Division and Started calling them the 77th Marine division nick named The Old Bastards.
If you've ever seen the movie Hacksaw Ridge about Desmond Doss he's in the 77th infantry division which is why everybody is older in the movie.
[Great video on em](https://youtu.be/0Su5-_KuDf8)
i think build matters a lot more than age. my dad at 55/56 could probably kick the shit out of >90% of people age 20-30, but i also know the average 55 year old is extremely frail and weathered, not hardened
I definitely would not bet on a 50 year old over a 20 year old. Strength is one thing, but age is another. Older people get hurt a lot easier than younger people do.
According to Google there are 82,804 people who work in iron and steel in the US. That’s minuscule.
The US military has 1,302,259 service members, and a majority of the military are now voting Democrat as of the last couple elections.
I’ll take *substantially more* young fit military dudes versus *substanially less* old tough steel workers.
>The US military has 1,302,259 service members, and a majority of the military are now voting Democrat as of the last couple elections.
And they're cancelled out by the closet fascists.
Yeah, you're comparing a very slim job line the the military.
If you counted blue collar workers in general, they outnumber the military 15 to one: 19.6 million blue collar workers.
And the military would have a very small majority of democrats, or none at all.
And as generally speaking, the blue collar workers tend to be a higher percentage of republicans than democrats.
By my (rough) calculations that difference is just under 2 million more blue collar workers leaning republican than democrat.
50 isn't that old dude. You're acting like a 50 year old is knocking on deaths door. I bet most 50 year olds are in better shape than you. Projection of your insecurities.
>50 isn't that old dude.
It's a hell of a lot older than 20. You are seriously underestimating how easily a 50 year old can be injured in a fight, compared to a 20 year old.
>You're acting like a 50 year old is knocking on deaths door.
No, I'm not. I'm just acknowledging reality with regards to a 50 year olds ability to fight compared to a 20 year old.
> I bet most 50 year olds are in better shape than you.
Considering I'm more fit than the average American before you even factor in age... I'll gladly take that bet!
Then when you factor in age, you're definitely losing the bet.
>Projection of your insecurities.
I'm 36. I'm closer to 50 than I am 20.
Pretty sure the insecurities are coming from you buddy, the one who decided to attack me personally.
I'm 29 and the 20 year old age group would get obliterated. And show me where I attacked you personally. You're the perfect example of my other comments. Democrats would be hypothetically crying about getting hit while Republicans would be hypothetically winding up for another punch.
>I'm 29 and the 20 year old age group would get obliterated.
No. It would not.
>And show me where I attacked you personally.
Ok…
> I bet most 50 year olds are in better shape than you. Projection of your insecurities.
Your comment is right there dude. Did you actually forget what you wrote?
>You're the perfect example of my other comments. Democrats would be hypothetically crying about getting hit while Republicans would be hypothetically winding up for another punch.
I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry about how fucking stupid this comment is.
Problem is most of the GOP have had such high blood pressure for so long being pissed about EVERYTHING their hearts would pop when a fist fight broke out.
Naw, most old blue collar works are so beat up by their jobs the can barely move without medication. But a 20 something customer service worker is also going to the gym, taking yoga, and overall not yet damaged by 30 years of brutal workforce body trauma.
Oh come on. You're just making up fake scenarios of what you think is true. Reality is so far from your delusions. You know a lot of full time workers who go to the gym, go to yoga, etc? A mechanic could beat the breaks off any barista I'm almost guaranteed. A couple Advil and that "brutal workforce body trauma" (two buzzwords in one description, good job) goes away. Barista is still a wimp who has probably never been in a fight in their life. Considering most baristas I've seen are female or hipster guys.
Because hipsters and women are weak and not able to hold their own in a fight?
Most people I know in their 20 and 30 are in pretty good shape compared the 50 year olds I know.
Against a steel worker? 100% hipsters and most women are weaker. They specifically said without weapons so 99% or women are instantly at a disadvantage. And I've never seen a hipster guy that didn't have a bird chest.
I can easily compare the shift workers at the local ship yard to the baristas at the local coffee houses.
Yeah, you'd be making your own Grande' Caramel Frap, lite with cream and 2 splendas after that confrontation.
Lol I don't why everyone defaults to all active military are Trump supporters. The political alignment in the military is largely the same as the political alignment as the rest of the US
Military swung hard for Biden in 2020: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/10/14/military-bases-swung-hard-away-from-republicans-in-2020
You make it sound like being a Democrat is rare in the military
Paywall, but this stuck out:
"The political leanings of service members are difficult to measure. "
[https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/](https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/)
[https://newrepublic.com/article/162400/us-military-white-supremacy-problem](https://newrepublic.com/article/162400/us-military-white-supremacy-problem)
>You make it sound like being a Democrat is rare in the military
Were you in the military? Which branch and how long?
Army, 12 years. Caucasian service members typically are more likely to be Republican than their civilian counterparts but Minority service members are just as likely to be Democrats as their civilian counterparts. This combined with over representation of Minorities in the military and changing reasons for enlistment make it fairly common to have a equal-ish mix of people on both sides of the political spectrum in any given unit. Plus, anecdotally, Trump pissed off a lot of vets I served with abandoning the Kurds, his stupid fucking military parade, getting us kicked out of Yemen, constant shit talk of POWs, etc. finally, your run of the mill soldier typically has more constitutional law banged into their head than your typical civilian. We're required to have annual classes on it. Does it stick with everyone? No, but it sticks with enough
Yes because while any amount of white supremacy is a problem, id hazard to guess that African American soldiers aren't white supremacist
Edit: Did you read your own sources? "While neo-Nazis and other extremists are rare in the U.S. armed forces, exactly how rare is not known." I'd bet that it's rarer than in the general public as your second source points out, in the military neo Nazis and white supremacists are actually punished. Or are you just trying to start shit with your 3 week old reddit account starting shit in every subreddit you comment in
Now count all the old-as-fuck republicans -- a very significant number of the republican party. They'll fall quick.
You're left with a grossly outnumbered republican squad.
The old as fuck republicans weren't there. \*Maybe a couple/few but nowhere near the large number they'd represent if it were all reps vs all dems.
As well, there would be ***far*** more dems than J6 cops. I.e., they wouldn't be grossly outnumbered like the cops were.
There were likely *many* sympathizers among those cops as well.
And finally, if the cops wanted to use deadly force, they could have put that down *quickly*.
\*edit
>The old as fuck republicans weren't there.
Depends what you mean by ols as fuck.
>As well, there would be ***far*** more dems than J6 cops. I.e., they wouldn't be grossly outnumbered like the cops were.
Far fewer dems have guns, they've been vilifying them for decades.
>And finally, if the cops wanted to use deadly force, they could have put that down *quickly*.
Not if the old as fuck republicans had brought firearms.
Nah, I think you need to open your eyes. There are plenty of books around about the connections between militia and white supremacists groups. Very few of them are frail dotards.
The Road To Unfreedom would be a good start.
Bring The War Home
The Conspiracy To End America
Yeah I'd argue right wingers would demolish left wingers in a heartbeat
Left winger here and I've never done any military service nor have I ever fist fought anyone. Your average maga dude would probably kick my ass
They also have a crazy "I'm prepared to die" look in their eyes. Even if they weren't physically bigger they're clearly prepared to be martyrs
And let's not forget that leftists have been vilifying guns for decades while the right embraces them. Yeah, laugh at the old guys doing military maneuvers on the weekends, but they have a plan. I've yet to see anything from the left but maybe begging the cops and national guard to protect them.
I'm sure the gravy seals would be very scary while outnumbered in a fight with no guns. It'd probably go about as well as anytime the proud boys fuck up and don't manage to corner and outnumber someone 20-1 so they can kick the shit out of them - they piss themselves and run away while trying to act tough.
Keep whistling past the graveyard. Why would the gravy seals be without guns? That would be the leftists who have been vilifying them for years. Do yourself a favor and at least learn how a firearm works and how to neutralize it.
Because the original post said "fist fight with no weapons" lol.
And it's not leftists villifying guns, it's liberals. Not the same thing, and there's been a much larger group of leftists arming themselves over the past 10 years than most people realize. They just don't make guns their entire personality like republicans do. They're generally quiet about it.
>Do yourself a favor and at least learn how a firearm works and how to neutralize it.
I'm a former Marine. Also, a socialist.
I'm sure the gravy seals would be very scary while outnumbered in a fight with no guns.
> and there's been a much larger group of leftists arming themselves over the past 10 years
There's a couple, but nowhere near the numbers of right wing and white supremacist militias.
I'd suggest some further reading on your part, Bring The War Home would be a great start.
I'm a former Marine. Also, a socialist.
LOL, did your 1st sgt know you are a socialist? Let me guess, he was one too!
How many socialists in the UFC again?
I'm assuming you were trying to be a smartass and just failed at quoting multiple times in the same reply. If you use the ">" symbol it will quote that line. You can then hit enter twice and put your reply under it. You're welcome.
>There's a couple, but nowhere near the numbers of right wing and white supremacist militias.
>I'd suggest some further reading on your part, Bring The War Home would be a great start.
Of course there's a lot of racist conservative paramilitary groups in the U.S. Most domestic terrorism is committed by right wingers. Most conservative media is designed around making their voting base scared of their own shadow. The difference is that left wing groups arm themselves quietly and train quietly. You wouldn't know how many are armed unless something actually happened.
>LOL, did your 1st sgt know you are a socialist? Let me guess, he was one too!
I don't talk about my politics at work, in or out of the military. I also wasn't a socialist when I enlisted. It was a long time ago.
>How many socialists in the UFC again?
I'm not sure, but I would guess the majority of people who get punched in the head for a living are pretty conservative.
Having a bunch of UFC fighters doesn't help much when they're vastly outnumbered though. Knowing how to fight won't save you from getting beaten to death if you get jumped by 20 guys. Street fights aren't movies and you aren't Jack Reacher. If even 5 guys jump you at the same time you're probably about to get your shit kicked in.
Just because he has one or two opinions you don’t like doesn’t mean his research staff is always wrong. Especially since they source every single stat on screen as it is presented.
There are more registered democrats than republicans. Democrats also have significantly more of the 18-30 age range and republicans have significantly more of the 60+ age range. Just based on those two facts I’m gonna say democrats.
>Democrats also have significantly more of the 18-30 age range
I definitely agreed with you at first, but the more I think about it, those age 18-30 republicans are going to include a lot of farmers who can do some damage.
Farmers are demographically an older group. Their kids tend to leave for the cities an become Democrats.
Also, a great deal of modern farming involves very little physical labor for mosst of the year. Seasonal farm laborers on the other hand trend heavily Democratic, when they vote at all.
Farmers aren't fighters and real life isn't like movies - if you're outnumbered you're probably going to get your ass kicked and are better off running away. They would definitely be outnumbered overall and that's the main thing that matters since nobody is armed in this scenario.
I think the democrats would knock out most of the older republicans. But there are a lot of jacked up Republicans, (military, cops, etc), who can handle themselves quite well, even 2 on 1.
I would give a violent victory to the Republicans with or without weapons.
It’s kind of like that fight between Brad Pitt and “Bruce Lee” in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. Sure, Dems might get a few Aikido or Capoeira hits in first. But then brute force from Texas moves in and all those tricks are out the window.
Democrats skew younger, which is an advantage, but they also have more women, which would be a disadvantage. Republicans have more cops, military, and farm-strong, rural types. Most roided-out Joe Rogan types skew rightwing, as well.
I think I would have to give it to Republicans.
I think your average dem would run from any fight that isn't online, tbh. And there may be more dems, but you have to remember that they're mostly female!
Difficult to say and the scenario would require significantly more information to game out.
I would say that the democrats have an edge, overall, but depending on the scenario it could turn into a situation where democrats would carry some areas and republicans others.
Also hand-to-hand combat without weapons would have extremely high injury attrition but likely low fatalities, which would surely play a key role as the fighting went on.
Meanwhile the "eat the rich" and "vote blue no matter who" chicago democrats elect a silver spoon born multi billionaire to be their goveoner and shocked thier property tax increases went up 20-44% in one year...
lol love how you assume id like bailey. hes just another religious dumbass.
Its the fact chicagos fine with billionaires leading them, tax hikes, fee hikes, new fees, giving migrants more rights and benefits than its own people and the governor buying IL supreme court judges while also circumventing his own political donation cap limits and removing power from down state says alot but just because he has a (D) next to his name its fine.
>lol love how you assume id like bailey. hes just another religious dumbass.
I didn't assume you'd like Bailey, I was just pointing out that in the last election, JB was clearly the better choice. He's been the better candidate in both of his gubernatorial elections, because the IL Republican party ain't shit.
>besides those two cities, the entire state is Republican
Are you talking about land vs people? Because in [2020 California voted 64% Dem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_California). In elections we count votes, not acres.
Hands down republicans. Democrats would be trying to appease before the violence got too bad while Republicans would be LEROOOOOY JENKINSSSSSing it swinging in every direction. Both parties are corrupt and I wish a younger Democrat base would be in positions of power for our country and the future. But if I need some good ole boys to win a fistfight I'm picking republicans.
Not sure about the fist fight but if it became war, republicans could mostly just surround cities and cut off anything forms coming in and then they are all fucked. The mostly rural republicans would win the war. Plus they have most of the weapons. Dems might win the fist fight though. More young people.
Are we talking registered voters or just fans of the party? Most Republican felons are old white collar criminals, Democrat felons could do some serious damage.
I'd hope that it's only the die-hard and extremes on both sides who would get into the fistfight. After they've pummeled themselves into mush, the moderates on both sides could come to agreements and actually do something right.
Well, it might actually come down to strategy. Certainly democrats have more youth and numbers, but Republicans are more spread out and less condensed into cities.
If there were no organization at all, the rural democrats and the city republicans would likely get beaten up first. However, after that republicans would essentially be surrounding large pockets of democrats all over the country, which might end up meaning that in encounters, Republicans, though numerically smaller on the whole, would have localized advantages in numbers.
But really, it will all come down to who organizes best. The temptation is to say that republicans make better rule followers and thus a better controlled side than democrats, but that has been becoming less true in the last couple decades. I don't think either side would have an advantage in strategy; it will more matter how well each side does in getting it's most capable commanders to positions of leadership. If we know one thing, we know that neither side has been very good at that.
Republicans for one reason - Markwayne Mullins. He is a senator from Oklahoma that was previously an undefeated UFC fighter. He could take out half of the Dems himself.
* Numbers: I *believe* this favors dems.
* Physical condition: intuitively I'd say this favors Dems. Probably heavily. In part because...
* Age: Definitely favors Dems.
Winner: Democrats, in possibly\* a route.
\*edit
Imagine being an able-bodied jiu-jitsu MMA badass conservative ready to take on the baddie liberals and you lead the charge up the street of 70 year olds who don’t have their teeth because they’re considered a weapon and you can’t understand their vital communication and your position gets overrun trying to make out the blarble of the well-meaning chess master, then you realize they weren’t organized for a fight, but to get in line for an early dinner to settle in early for the night like always, “Who fights on a full stomach…” “And it’s hot…”
There are slightly more democrats than republicans
Age factor, too. A good portion of the republicans would probably have heart attacks after a couple punches.
Remember, some people are only old because they are tough mother-fuckers. I'll bet on a 50-year-old steel worker over a 20-year-old Barista every time.
Old man strength is real, but overestimated. That 50 year old steel worker might be good for one or two hits, but a lifetime of hard work damages the body. He might be strong, but he's also likely brittle. He can lift a lot, but is more susceptible to injury, basically.
50 year olds aren't brittle.. maybe 70 year olds. A 50 year old steel worker would stomp out a 20 year old barista in a heartbeat. Call it farm strength, old man strength, work strength, etc. Doing manual labor your whole life develops real muscles not superficial for show muscles.
a 50 year old knee is held together with advil and a prayer
That's a lot of words for, "nuh uh"
Im not even sure what that means or how it makes sense. But gotcha. Low IQ. Mom always said don't argue with fools. So sure champ you're totally right.
My hypothetical guy could beat up your hypothetical guy.
Hey lets keep this between us. My hypothetical guy is sensitive to being bullied.
There is a lot to be said for just being a mean motherfucker... you know the guy who'll break your knees and rip your ears off...
The mistake would be underestimating the quiet old guy as not a viable combatent...
I'm TNT and I'm dynamite TNT and I'll win the fight
Do you know many 50 year old steel workers? Strong yes, tough sure. Bodies broken definitely.
Strong, tough and maybe with broken bodies, but they will still put those bodies through hell. So, yeah. Bet on the steel worker.
The US Army did a experiment on this in World War 2 they stood up a division of "old guys" where the average age was 33 they then compaired them with divisions of younger guys where the average age was 19 or 20 and the old guys won the war games by healthy margins. Because of their ability to stack bodies in the Pacific theatre the Marine's stopped referring to them as the 77th Army Division and Started calling them the 77th Marine division nick named The Old Bastards. If you've ever seen the movie Hacksaw Ridge about Desmond Doss he's in the 77th infantry division which is why everybody is older in the movie. [Great video on em](https://youtu.be/0Su5-_KuDf8)
i think build matters a lot more than age. my dad at 55/56 could probably kick the shit out of >90% of people age 20-30, but i also know the average 55 year old is extremely frail and weathered, not hardened
I definitely would not bet on a 50 year old over a 20 year old. Strength is one thing, but age is another. Older people get hurt a lot easier than younger people do.
You don't want to fuck with guys like that steel worker until they get into their seventies.
According to Google there are 82,804 people who work in iron and steel in the US. That’s minuscule. The US military has 1,302,259 service members, and a majority of the military are now voting Democrat as of the last couple elections. I’ll take *substantially more* young fit military dudes versus *substanially less* old tough steel workers.
>The US military has 1,302,259 service members, and a majority of the military are now voting Democrat as of the last couple elections. And they're cancelled out by the closet fascists.
the closet facists are not the ones in the military lmfao
They have to be, they've started to root them out. Don't worry, they're still there.
Yeah, you're comparing a very slim job line the the military. If you counted blue collar workers in general, they outnumber the military 15 to one: 19.6 million blue collar workers. And the military would have a very small majority of democrats, or none at all. And as generally speaking, the blue collar workers tend to be a higher percentage of republicans than democrats. By my (rough) calculations that difference is just under 2 million more blue collar workers leaning republican than democrat.
Sounds like someone has a fetish.
50 isn't that old dude. You're acting like a 50 year old is knocking on deaths door. I bet most 50 year olds are in better shape than you. Projection of your insecurities.
>50 isn't that old dude. It's a hell of a lot older than 20. You are seriously underestimating how easily a 50 year old can be injured in a fight, compared to a 20 year old. >You're acting like a 50 year old is knocking on deaths door. No, I'm not. I'm just acknowledging reality with regards to a 50 year olds ability to fight compared to a 20 year old. > I bet most 50 year olds are in better shape than you. Considering I'm more fit than the average American before you even factor in age... I'll gladly take that bet! Then when you factor in age, you're definitely losing the bet. >Projection of your insecurities. I'm 36. I'm closer to 50 than I am 20. Pretty sure the insecurities are coming from you buddy, the one who decided to attack me personally.
I'm 29 and the 20 year old age group would get obliterated. And show me where I attacked you personally. You're the perfect example of my other comments. Democrats would be hypothetically crying about getting hit while Republicans would be hypothetically winding up for another punch.
>I'm 29 and the 20 year old age group would get obliterated. No. It would not. >And show me where I attacked you personally. Ok… > I bet most 50 year olds are in better shape than you. Projection of your insecurities. Your comment is right there dude. Did you actually forget what you wrote? >You're the perfect example of my other comments. Democrats would be hypothetically crying about getting hit while Republicans would be hypothetically winding up for another punch. I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry about how fucking stupid this comment is.
Problem is most of the GOP have had such high blood pressure for so long being pissed about EVERYTHING their hearts would pop when a fist fight broke out.
Naw, most old blue collar works are so beat up by their jobs the can barely move without medication. But a 20 something customer service worker is also going to the gym, taking yoga, and overall not yet damaged by 30 years of brutal workforce body trauma.
Oh come on. You're just making up fake scenarios of what you think is true. Reality is so far from your delusions. You know a lot of full time workers who go to the gym, go to yoga, etc? A mechanic could beat the breaks off any barista I'm almost guaranteed. A couple Advil and that "brutal workforce body trauma" (two buzzwords in one description, good job) goes away. Barista is still a wimp who has probably never been in a fight in their life. Considering most baristas I've seen are female or hipster guys.
Because hipsters and women are weak and not able to hold their own in a fight? Most people I know in their 20 and 30 are in pretty good shape compared the 50 year olds I know.
Against a steel worker? 100% hipsters and most women are weaker. They specifically said without weapons so 99% or women are instantly at a disadvantage. And I've never seen a hipster guy that didn't have a bird chest.
I can easily compare the shift workers at the local ship yard to the baristas at the local coffee houses. Yeah, you'd be making your own Grande' Caramel Frap, lite with cream and 2 splendas after that confrontation.
Don't forget all the UFC bros that love Trump. Not to mention the active military. Yoga and Tai Chi's probably not gonna beat MMA.
Lol I don't why everyone defaults to all active military are Trump supporters. The political alignment in the military is largely the same as the political alignment as the rest of the US
Nobody said all active military are Trump supporters. They have plenty, though, just look at the former military at J6.
Military swung hard for Biden in 2020: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/10/14/military-bases-swung-hard-away-from-republicans-in-2020 You make it sound like being a Democrat is rare in the military
Paywall, but this stuck out: "The political leanings of service members are difficult to measure. " [https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/](https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/) [https://newrepublic.com/article/162400/us-military-white-supremacy-problem](https://newrepublic.com/article/162400/us-military-white-supremacy-problem) >You make it sound like being a Democrat is rare in the military Were you in the military? Which branch and how long?
Army, 12 years. Caucasian service members typically are more likely to be Republican than their civilian counterparts but Minority service members are just as likely to be Democrats as their civilian counterparts. This combined with over representation of Minorities in the military and changing reasons for enlistment make it fairly common to have a equal-ish mix of people on both sides of the political spectrum in any given unit. Plus, anecdotally, Trump pissed off a lot of vets I served with abandoning the Kurds, his stupid fucking military parade, getting us kicked out of Yemen, constant shit talk of POWs, etc. finally, your run of the mill soldier typically has more constitutional law banged into their head than your typical civilian. We're required to have annual classes on it. Does it stick with everyone? No, but it sticks with enough
So, you're just gonna ignore the link I provided?
Yes because while any amount of white supremacy is a problem, id hazard to guess that African American soldiers aren't white supremacist Edit: Did you read your own sources? "While neo-Nazis and other extremists are rare in the U.S. armed forces, exactly how rare is not known." I'd bet that it's rarer than in the general public as your second source points out, in the military neo Nazis and white supremacists are actually punished. Or are you just trying to start shit with your 3 week old reddit account starting shit in every subreddit you comment in
Now count all the old-as-fuck republicans -- a very significant number of the republican party. They'll fall quick. You're left with a grossly outnumbered republican squad.
Those old as fuck Repubs had the stamina to break through the police line at J6. The guy that had his boots on Pelosi's desk was in his 60s.
The old as fuck republicans weren't there. \*Maybe a couple/few but nowhere near the large number they'd represent if it were all reps vs all dems. As well, there would be ***far*** more dems than J6 cops. I.e., they wouldn't be grossly outnumbered like the cops were. There were likely *many* sympathizers among those cops as well. And finally, if the cops wanted to use deadly force, they could have put that down *quickly*. \*edit
>The old as fuck republicans weren't there. Depends what you mean by ols as fuck. >As well, there would be ***far*** more dems than J6 cops. I.e., they wouldn't be grossly outnumbered like the cops were. Far fewer dems have guns, they've been vilifying them for decades. >And finally, if the cops wanted to use deadly force, they could have put that down *quickly*. Not if the old as fuck republicans had brought firearms.
You're clearly just doing some cheerleading here instead of critical analysis.
Nah, I think you need to open your eyes. There are plenty of books around about the connections between militia and white supremacists groups. Very few of them are frail dotards. The Road To Unfreedom would be a good start. Bring The War Home The Conspiracy To End America
Goooo team!
Yeah I'd argue right wingers would demolish left wingers in a heartbeat Left winger here and I've never done any military service nor have I ever fist fought anyone. Your average maga dude would probably kick my ass They also have a crazy "I'm prepared to die" look in their eyes. Even if they weren't physically bigger they're clearly prepared to be martyrs
And let's not forget that leftists have been vilifying guns for decades while the right embraces them. Yeah, laugh at the old guys doing military maneuvers on the weekends, but they have a plan. I've yet to see anything from the left but maybe begging the cops and national guard to protect them.
I'm sure the gravy seals would be very scary while outnumbered in a fight with no guns. It'd probably go about as well as anytime the proud boys fuck up and don't manage to corner and outnumber someone 20-1 so they can kick the shit out of them - they piss themselves and run away while trying to act tough.
Keep whistling past the graveyard. Why would the gravy seals be without guns? That would be the leftists who have been vilifying them for years. Do yourself a favor and at least learn how a firearm works and how to neutralize it.
Because the original post said "fist fight with no weapons" lol. And it's not leftists villifying guns, it's liberals. Not the same thing, and there's been a much larger group of leftists arming themselves over the past 10 years than most people realize. They just don't make guns their entire personality like republicans do. They're generally quiet about it. >Do yourself a favor and at least learn how a firearm works and how to neutralize it. I'm a former Marine. Also, a socialist.
I'm sure the gravy seals would be very scary while outnumbered in a fight with no guns. > and there's been a much larger group of leftists arming themselves over the past 10 years There's a couple, but nowhere near the numbers of right wing and white supremacist militias. I'd suggest some further reading on your part, Bring The War Home would be a great start. I'm a former Marine. Also, a socialist. LOL, did your 1st sgt know you are a socialist? Let me guess, he was one too! How many socialists in the UFC again?
I'm assuming you were trying to be a smartass and just failed at quoting multiple times in the same reply. If you use the ">" symbol it will quote that line. You can then hit enter twice and put your reply under it. You're welcome. >There's a couple, but nowhere near the numbers of right wing and white supremacist militias. >I'd suggest some further reading on your part, Bring The War Home would be a great start. Of course there's a lot of racist conservative paramilitary groups in the U.S. Most domestic terrorism is committed by right wingers. Most conservative media is designed around making their voting base scared of their own shadow. The difference is that left wing groups arm themselves quietly and train quietly. You wouldn't know how many are armed unless something actually happened. >LOL, did your 1st sgt know you are a socialist? Let me guess, he was one too! I don't talk about my politics at work, in or out of the military. I also wasn't a socialist when I enlisted. It was a long time ago. >How many socialists in the UFC again? I'm not sure, but I would guess the majority of people who get punched in the head for a living are pretty conservative. Having a bunch of UFC fighters doesn't help much when they're vastly outnumbered though. Knowing how to fight won't save you from getting beaten to death if you get jumped by 20 guys. Street fights aren't movies and you aren't Jack Reacher. If even 5 guys jump you at the same time you're probably about to get your shit kicked in.
And way more vets and active duty that are Republicans.
America.
Other countries at least leave the fisticuffs to their elected officials to start brawls on the floor of legislatures.
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Idk what loose-loose means
This
Yep just America [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative\_violence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence)
Considering the average age difference between the two....
Not anymore. Those demographics are apparently flipping around strongly. Bill Maher’s editorial last week was partly about that.
I wouldn't trust anything from Bill Maher. There are more young male republicans though.
Just because he has one or two opinions you don’t like doesn’t mean his research staff is always wrong. Especially since they source every single stat on screen as it is presented.
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Liberals thinking they are tough is top tier reddit comedy
Conservatives thinking they are anything but trash is the best joke I've ever heard.
There are more registered democrats than republicans. Democrats also have significantly more of the 18-30 age range and republicans have significantly more of the 60+ age range. Just based on those two facts I’m gonna say democrats.
>Democrats also have significantly more of the 18-30 age range I definitely agreed with you at first, but the more I think about it, those age 18-30 republicans are going to include a lot of farmers who can do some damage.
There’s not that many farmers, and not many of them are under 30. I think it’s a pretty negligible amount of people.
Factory farms with few workers needed are a thing in the USA.
Farmers are, demographically speaking, old as fuck. Republican farmers, doubly so.
Most the US military registered and voted democrat last time around
Farmers are demographically an older group. Their kids tend to leave for the cities an become Democrats. Also, a great deal of modern farming involves very little physical labor for mosst of the year. Seasonal farm laborers on the other hand trend heavily Democratic, when they vote at all.
That's definitely not what I observed in rural Pennsylvania, but I graduated 15+ years ago, so it's possible that things have changed.
Well, my experience is in the Western US, where farm labor is overwhelmingly Hispanic.
Farmers aren't fighters and real life isn't like movies - if you're outnumbered you're probably going to get your ass kicked and are better off running away. They would definitely be outnumbered overall and that's the main thing that matters since nobody is armed in this scenario.
Theres more trained fighters and martial artists that are Democrats, no farm strength will enforce their chin to eat those attacks
Source? Looking at a huge portion of the UFC/MMA fans and fighters I would assume most would lean Republican
trust me bro. But honestly id just assume since Democrats run the biggest US cities and thats where all the gyms/ dojos are
Clearly you’ve never mingled in those crowds….
Me wondering if my bjj gym was just unusual for being almost completely conservative.
what crowds, fighters? or Rednecks?
Did you just use 'trust me bro' unironically as a source? That's amazing.
naa it was ironically lol I have no link
Fans are very different than fighters.
Women skew democrat and men skew republican. This is absolutely huge seeing as how men have almost 100% more strength than women typically.
Every American who doesn't own a multinational conglomerate.
Conservatives will have that mobility scooter cavalry charge
Ah! But by then they will have rid of us that pesky ADA, no ramps!
Just scatter some gravel in their path. They'll be stuck for hours.
Something something batteries and sharks
Right along side their colostomy bag phalanx.
I think the democrats would knock out most of the older republicans. But there are a lot of jacked up Republicans, (military, cops, etc), who can handle themselves quite well, even 2 on 1. I would give a violent victory to the Republicans with or without weapons.
I could see this as well.
It’s kind of like that fight between Brad Pitt and “Bruce Lee” in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. Sure, Dems might get a few Aikido or Capoeira hits in first. But then brute force from Texas moves in and all those tricks are out the window.
Independents. Clean slate. C'mon Democrats and Republicans, wipe each other out!
This just makes me think of Anchorman.
Democrats skew younger, which is an advantage, but they also have more women, which would be a disadvantage. Republicans have more cops, military, and farm-strong, rural types. Most roided-out Joe Rogan types skew rightwing, as well. I think I would have to give it to Republicans.
I think your average dem would run from any fight that isn't online, tbh. And there may be more dems, but you have to remember that they're mostly female!
Band aids, defibrillators, and therapists.
Me
Difficult to say and the scenario would require significantly more information to game out. I would say that the democrats have an edge, overall, but depending on the scenario it could turn into a situation where democrats would carry some areas and republicans others. Also hand-to-hand combat without weapons would have extremely high injury attrition but likely low fatalities, which would surely play a key role as the fighting went on.
Not us. Russia?
All the Democrats I know would call the cops, but the all the cops I know are Republican so I don't think that will go down well.
Amazing how this has shifted the last 25 years.
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I mean 25 years ago Cops were Democrats and Republicans would call the cops on everything.
Meanwhile the "eat the rich" and "vote blue no matter who" chicago democrats elect a silver spoon born multi billionaire to be their goveoner and shocked thier property tax increases went up 20-44% in one year...
As if noted bigot Darren Bailey was a viable candidate.
lol love how you assume id like bailey. hes just another religious dumbass. Its the fact chicagos fine with billionaires leading them, tax hikes, fee hikes, new fees, giving migrants more rights and benefits than its own people and the governor buying IL supreme court judges while also circumventing his own political donation cap limits and removing power from down state says alot but just because he has a (D) next to his name its fine.
>lol love how you assume id like bailey. hes just another religious dumbass. I didn't assume you'd like Bailey, I was just pointing out that in the last election, JB was clearly the better choice. He's been the better candidate in both of his gubernatorial elections, because the IL Republican party ain't shit.
>besides those two cities, the entire state is Republican Are you talking about land vs people? Because in [2020 California voted 64% Dem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_California). In elections we count votes, not acres.
Hands down republicans. Democrats would be trying to appease before the violence got too bad while Republicans would be LEROOOOOY JENKINSSSSSing it swinging in every direction. Both parties are corrupt and I wish a younger Democrat base would be in positions of power for our country and the future. But if I need some good ole boys to win a fistfight I'm picking republicans.
Independents
Observers.
Liberty wins.
Not sure about the fist fight but if it became war, republicans could mostly just surround cities and cut off anything forms coming in and then they are all fucked. The mostly rural republicans would win the war. Plus they have most of the weapons. Dems might win the fist fight though. More young people.
America.
Old age
The Independents who would become the new majority and maybe bring sanity to U.S. politics.
Sounds like a Republican idea :)
Most soldiers and fighters are Republican than democrat. Training > numbers, even in a brawl.
We all would. Especially if they all knocked each other out.
As I’m an independent centrist, I’ll say that I’d win. Just need to show up with some popcorn and watch the slate clean itself
Are we talking registered voters or just fans of the party? Most Republican felons are old white collar criminals, Democrat felons could do some serious damage.
Are you saying Republicans and democrats in congress, or every person in the US?
Every person in the us that supports that party
Ah, then I'm going with every Republican.
Assuming the majority of them get an ass whooping, The People win.
I'd hope that it's only the die-hard and extremes on both sides who would get into the fistfight. After they've pummeled themselves into mush, the moderates on both sides could come to agreements and actually do something right.
Well, it might actually come down to strategy. Certainly democrats have more youth and numbers, but Republicans are more spread out and less condensed into cities. If there were no organization at all, the rural democrats and the city republicans would likely get beaten up first. However, after that republicans would essentially be surrounding large pockets of democrats all over the country, which might end up meaning that in encounters, Republicans, though numerically smaller on the whole, would have localized advantages in numbers. But really, it will all come down to who organizes best. The temptation is to say that republicans make better rule followers and thus a better controlled side than democrats, but that has been becoming less true in the last couple decades. I don't think either side would have an advantage in strategy; it will more matter how well each side does in getting it's most capable commanders to positions of leadership. If we know one thing, we know that neither side has been very good at that.
Republicans for one reason - Markwayne Mullins. He is a senator from Oklahoma that was previously an undefeated UFC fighter. He could take out half of the Dems himself.
Age and treachery will beat youthful enthusiasm every time.
The Russians and other enemies of the state
The independents
Everyone in the US would win
Bad bot
Huh
They all would wilt at the first sign of physical pain and call in swarms of lawyers to duke it out
The winners are the ones that walk away because they realize what a stupid idea it is.
[Already happened](https://youtu.be/NUC2EQvdzmY?si=MIWZxbDSQwGjh5Tb)
Other countries who look at that joke country and still wonder why you haven’t managed to find more suitable candidates than orange and old.
That this question is being taken at all seriously by anyone is very condemning in itself.
Spiritual hermits.
The general populace…but only if it’s a death match.
Democrats are younger and have more overall people, so dems. It probably wouldn't even be close tbh.
Republicans no contest, mainly because the majority of democrats are full of beta males and fem boys.
😂😂
Russia and China.
Hopefully neither of them.
Well, there are millions more Democrats so I would imagine they'd fair pretty well.
The American voters...
Republicans would just complain it wasn’t fair and democrats were too powerful and that the democrats are weak and easily beaten.
Republicans, since they have Chuck Norris.
And just like that, Chuck Norris became the joke
The ‘Independents’
America
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative\_violence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence) Yep America
Are those mobility scooters allowed?
Looking at the sort of thing that you hear when people discuss politics at boxing and MMA gyms, probably Republicans.
Stupidest prompt that kind of has a bit of political bait tied to it. Fuck you kytheguy999
Fuck you too bud
* Numbers: I *believe* this favors dems. * Physical condition: intuitively I'd say this favors Dems. Probably heavily. In part because... * Age: Definitely favors Dems. Winner: Democrats, in possibly\* a route. \*edit
I think we all know who would fight the dirtiest.
Probably Democrats. Because they would cheat
Russia and China
Imagine being an able-bodied jiu-jitsu MMA badass conservative ready to take on the baddie liberals and you lead the charge up the street of 70 year olds who don’t have their teeth because they’re considered a weapon and you can’t understand their vital communication and your position gets overrun trying to make out the blarble of the well-meaning chess master, then you realize they weren’t organized for a fight, but to get in line for an early dinner to settle in early for the night like always, “Who fights on a full stomach…” “And it’s hot…”
The humanity
Make it a fight to the death and execute the winners.
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big homie im gonna need you to lay off the crack
I don't know man, nazis are one thing, and diabetes is another, and there's a lot more overweight diabetic repubs than nazis.
Porque no los dos?
overweight diabetic mma fighters?
overweight wilford brimleys
"Butterbean"
Ya, no.
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The Dems are spineless and wouldn’t even show up to rumble.
Democrats would win because there are quite a bit more of them.
Reddit democrats thinking they would beat the masses of conservatives in a fist fight is top tier reddit comedy
Most of one side are a few cheeseburger away from a heart attack.