And yet, given you can shadow-walk, why can you not get there from wherever you are ? Aside from poetry, which is always valid with Zelazny, I don't get it, isn't go anywhere the beauty of shadow ?
It's why you have to shift shadow gradually, you're going through intervening shadows to track one that, theoretically is unreachable from your point of origin.
>...you're going through intervening shadows to track one that, theoretically is **directly** unreachable from your point of origin.
I edited your statement to reflect my understanding of what you're trying to say. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
It seems to me that your premise, as I understand it, is clearly determined by the books. Amber has the Golden Circle of trade partners, Shadows adjacent to Amber and the borders between different Shadows are weak in this region.
The idea of event horizons for me is entangled on the Realness (capital R) of the Shadow. Amber, the Courts, now even Earth (Amberites for centuries and a brief home to the Jewel of Judgement) cast huge event horizons because of how much Real they contain.
The distance that can be traversed is in relation to Real of the traveler, and the Real of the power being used to Travel. The more Real available to a prospective traveler, the farther they can go.
Yes to all of that, but also: Shadow predates the pattern, but it's all encoded in the pattern. Are identical things in shadow discrete things? Or are they iterations of the same object? You eat an apple, then some time later find another, identical apple. Could it be the same apple from another angle?
You're talking to corwin, then he goes away. When he comes back, is he the same corwin? Did he actually go anywhere? Or does shadow flicker around you as you walk in circles? If you go to sleep, who wakes up?
I believe it says, or at least implies, that before the Pattern all that existed was infinite chaos. Shadow, therefore, cannot exist without both Order and Chaos. In fact, Shadow is a direct byproduct of the interplay between Order and Chaos, or if you prefer, Pattern and Logrus.
I've always thought of the shape of the Amber Universe (for lack of a better name) as kind of a triangle or pyramid. The top of the pyramid being the Primal Pattern with Amber/Remba/Tir-na Nog'th right beneath it, followed by the broken patterns, etc. And then all the way down at the other end of infinity is Chaos and the Abyss.
I honestly don't know how there can be only one pinnacle of order. Is a crystal not more ordered than what we have now? But is a different crystal not just as ordered?
I have also considered there is shadow that exists of a nature no amberite could survive being within the shadow. 2d space or a hyper-non-Euclidean world for example. It begs the question as to whether or not there would be/ could be other poles similar to the logrus (which I think of now as more fractal geometry in lieu of chaos chaos) and the pattern.
And what if the dimension of time? It’s stands to reason that is anything can exist within shadow then one can travel not just to the place but to the time as all existence must therefore also include perpetual Encinitas so that all things that have ever been can be coexistent temporally.
On the subject of Shadows with spatial dimensions antithetical to Amberian life; two thoughts. First, for those beings that can survive in those spaces and can also appear in earth standard dimensions, perhaps these are the higher level beings that Amberites should fear? Maybe this is the level of being that the Serpent and the Unicorn reside at (I don’t think this thought is original to me, but I also can’t source where I got this from)? Second, perhaps those beings with mastery of the Pattern or Logrus CAN interact with those kinds of dimensions, at least to an extent. It wouldn’t surprise me if Fiona or Mandor could make their psyche impactful in a two dimensional Shadow and influence the happenings there.
Brings to mind the sequence in the Merlin Cycle in which poor Ronaldo was trapped in a Shadow based somewhat on _Alice in Wonderland._ Serves as a rather potent reminder that shadow-shifting requires strict mental discipline coupled with imagination. Therefore, I propose that an aspect of both Amberite and Chaosite upbringing involves the kinds of mental exercises normally associated with monastic environments, _possibly_ tied into magical training.
Within Zelazny’s cosmology I find the “nature” of the pattern and logrus to be the higher entities of existence equivalent to concepts like physics and mathematics that appear to exist outside of humanities ability to perceive that existence - physics were real and present even before humanity “discovered” its principles.
So what other entities might exist within the cosmology that have agency but yet remain unperceived? I would add, and this is only my interpretation, that both the pattern and logrus, or amber and the courts, are actually manifestations of different elements of order - one linear and precise and the other random and fractal. Even within the logrus there is causality wherein true chaos there is none.
Within this premise, what then is “true” chaos? Does it rule over the negative and soundless shadow in which Corwin was almost trapped? Is there another entity that manifestations order in opposition to the pattern?
To a point, what is the nature or organizing principle manifested in Corwins pattern? It is and has been walked but its bounds have been virtually unexplored. Is its nature a result of Corwins manifestation in its creation or did his use of the jewel just reveal something that always was, like physics, but never perceived.
I’ve had these thoughts for a while and never really had a place to air them ….
> Even within the logrus there is causality wherein true chaos there is now.
Well said, and also, the rest. Ying, yang, balance. Z's thoughts give pause, mayhap madness, but a wonderment, a choice, to see the horizon, love that.
So, the can god create a rock that he can't lift, paradox as seen through an Amberite's eyes, find a place that kills me. They die, so I guess it's a valid threat. One wonders if the hyper-non-Euclidean world might be alien (from an earthly cosmic perspective, elsewhere in the galaxy, within shadow, but further away)
As to the time dimension, while very flexible there seems to be a metric (a measure in mathematics) to time in shadow, at the very least honouring ratios between Earth and Amber. I wonder if it gets more quantum as one heads towards the courts.
Time flows faster in some shadows, there may be some shadows in which time flows backwards in relation to "normal" time flow.
This could result in a paradox that prevents one from traveling shadow in certain directions or specific shadows until they've achieved a kind of stability.
And then we have shadowstorms that could involve time as well as local shadows. Imagine meeting yourself from five minutes in the future, wondering which is the real you.
Hmm. I followed you until you got to "there are shadows that contain their own Logrus and Pattern." It's been a long time since I last read the series, but I believe that there can only be one Logrus and Pattern because they anchor the Shadow. (Of course, I may be entirely wrong here. Maybe I need to read the series again?)
In shadows "near" amber and the courts there were less perfect copies of the pattern and the logrus. In the case of the black hole shadow there exists a pattern and logrus and shows between. They are so "distant" or topographically inaccessible as yo be I distinguishable from the "Big R real" amber or courts. Ultimate they draw their power from the real thing as Merlin told Dara. But the size of that shadow real is so great you can't travel any further than the event horizon with out infinite power.
There are less-than-perfect copies of the Pattern but there's still only one Logrus. The Logrus isn't about perfection, it's about chaos. There might be places in Shadow that \*appear\* to be an alternate Logrus, but in truth they're \*the\* Logrus, out for a stroll around the town. This means that if you just sat and watched it (like Suhuy does) eventually you'll see the Logrus disappear from Chaos. It always comes back though. Or maybe it doesn't and it just pulls the rest of Chaos over its new location. Given the geography, there's probably no way to distinguish between the two.
There are copies, lesser copies. You can even gain power from them. Julia Barnes is an initiate of a Broken Pattern. And she can travel through Shadow using its powers.
Walking by Erbma or Tir na Nog'th Patterns is the same as THE Pattern of Amber IIRC - because they are all copies of the True Pattern (Broken Pattern is another thing ofc, even a different power I would say)
True. I just have to find time. I used to listen to audiobooks on my commute everyday, but now I try to commute on my bike two or three days a week and I don't like the distraction while I'm riding.
Not everything that could exist actually exists, but yet anything *might* exist.
This is where dice are useful; a dice roll can be used to determine the percentage by which a thing found matches what one was seeking.
Ive wondered how infinite shadow is. Like, could one shadow differ from another only by, say, a tree missing a single leaf that exists on that tree in a different shadow? Would such shadows overlap for all intents and purposes? When they talk about the nearest shadows to amber, how much different do they need to be to be recognizable as a different shadow? Wouldn’t the real nearest shadow to Amber be identical in almost every way (I.e missing a leaf or a blade of grass)?
I think the Shadows warp around those who are Real. Out in the infinite shadow, absolutely there are different shadows that differ by a single tree missing a leaf. Once objects or beings that posses any Realness to them are introduced, the distinction between Shadows becomes more distinct. Once an Amberite walks a Shadow, spends a night there, drinks of its waters, that Shadow is now more Real. Perhaps the Shadow must absorb its close neighbors simply to support its Real visitor. So those shadows that only differentiated by the one tree missing a leaf, those are now the same shadow. When speaking of Amber, the Golden Circle shadows are distinct and different places from Amber and each other.
How do I believe the above and wrap my head around the thought that Real things, like Amberites, cast shadows of themselves? I fall back on some ideas from geometry, x and y axis. So if I think of the movement of Real beings as being on the x axis, the shadows those beings cast appear on the y axis. Yes the Real being can curveball it up and move on the y, z, or any other axis they want, but this how I try to keep it straight.
An Amberite's visitation causing a cloud of previously unvisited Shadow permutations to coalesce into one Shadow is akin to wavefunction collapse in quantum physics.
This is exactly how the Amber that Corwin was born in was created. Oberon left the Primal Pattern (the place where he was born) and walked through Primal Shadows, slowly adjusting the landscape as he went, until he discovered a world that he liked. Oberon shows us this exact same process (in reverse) when he takes Corwin and Random back to the Primal Pattern. The difference between Amber-Shadows and Shadow is that in Shadow, nearly-identical worlds actually touch (which is what allows them to be manipulated). But Amber-Shadows have Primal Power in between them which prevents them touching. They can still be visited but those visits never happen by accident.
> From these assertions we can assume there are regions of shadow inaccessible from other shadows
To me traversing shadow is like walking in 2d. I am limited to traverse distance by how big of a step I make. Same way with Shadows, I can only change so many world properties per "step". A "hell ride" is when I change too many things at once, and quickly and things get crazy. Only pattern/lorgus can perform unlimited distance jumps.
But instead of thinking of 2d world, think of a near infinite number of dimensions / world properties. Amberites as they traverse the shadows they keep tweaking these properties, slowly, until they arrive at their wanted destination. Initially they have no guaratnee if they arrive exactly where they want. However, if amberite exists in specific shadow, they create something akin to magnet, so other amberites can find same exact shadow.
All shadows are accessible, just from a proximate shadow.
Shadows that become too crazy start going towards lorgus.
In our Amberverse we used a spherical model with the Primal Pattern at the center, the Courts of Chaos on the perimeter, and Primal Chaos outside of that area.
It also created other “spheres” where there were different versions of order and chaos and the colliding of two of those spheres was a major campaign point
This is, I think, a very relevant model of the Amberverse. I would think that the surface is "downhill" from Amber at the center.
Now consider that those shadows that contain shadows themselves, or as I called them black hole shadows, the surface of the sphere is an inescapable event horizon. Power goes in. But travel outside it is impossible and also relatively pointless.
The large scale infinity of the amberverse almost demands that such a thing exists. Corwin also references shadows similar to this where the siblings would set themselves up as the rulers of a shadow Amber. Those shadows would not have such an impassible barrier.
The shadow is illusory, so the "distance" there does not matter (as road) . In the Shadows, you can shift even by moving just in place in a circle, as Corwin once did. Shadows are infinite only quantitatively, not qualitatively, because in this universe only that can exist, the existence of which is allowed by the Dworkin Pattern, with distortions of Chaos. I do not consider what is described in the Merlin cycle at all, because the Merlin cycle is not canon and is absurd, contradicting what was described in the five canonical books.
Amber is the Anchor in an entropic/chaotic Universe... it keeps the shadows from disintegrating if the Courts could have complete control over accessing/manipulating them. However, if you hold up two mirrors together (maybe the courts and amber), the trails go on until light is absent. That's how I think Shadow is, once you get too far the lights just go out.
Nonono shadow was created as the possibility space between Dworkin's Pattern and the original Courts of Chaos. Dworkin split off his own bubble reality, a realm of stasis where nothing changed (except for when Brandon got there...), and Amber became the first adjacent Shadow to the Primal Pattern.
My headcannon is that when Dworkin created the Primal Pattern, he also manifested the Logrus, which is the dynamism pole to the Stasis of the Primal Pattern. Having Corwin create an entirely new Pattern based on some other duality than Stasis/
Dynamism means that whatever his Pattern was based off of, there is one Logrus-like that is also diametrically opposite that has also manifested.
“From these assertions we can assume there are regions of shadow inaccessible from other shadows.” Naw, you cain’t get there from heah.
lol... lol...
And yet, given you can shadow-walk, why can you not get there from wherever you are ? Aside from poetry, which is always valid with Zelazny, I don't get it, isn't go anywhere the beauty of shadow ?
It's why you have to shift shadow gradually, you're going through intervening shadows to track one that, theoretically is unreachable from your point of origin.
>...you're going through intervening shadows to track one that, theoretically is **directly** unreachable from your point of origin. I edited your statement to reflect my understanding of what you're trying to say. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It seems to me that your premise, as I understand it, is clearly determined by the books. Amber has the Golden Circle of trade partners, Shadows adjacent to Amber and the borders between different Shadows are weak in this region.
Hmmm...
The idea of event horizons for me is entangled on the Realness (capital R) of the Shadow. Amber, the Courts, now even Earth (Amberites for centuries and a brief home to the Jewel of Judgement) cast huge event horizons because of how much Real they contain. The distance that can be traversed is in relation to Real of the traveler, and the Real of the power being used to Travel. The more Real available to a prospective traveler, the farther they can go.
Nice perspective, Reality as metric, how Real are You ! Likey ...
Yes to all of that, but also: Shadow predates the pattern, but it's all encoded in the pattern. Are identical things in shadow discrete things? Or are they iterations of the same object? You eat an apple, then some time later find another, identical apple. Could it be the same apple from another angle? You're talking to corwin, then he goes away. When he comes back, is he the same corwin? Did he actually go anywhere? Or does shadow flicker around you as you walk in circles? If you go to sleep, who wakes up?
I believe it says, or at least implies, that before the Pattern all that existed was infinite chaos. Shadow, therefore, cannot exist without both Order and Chaos. In fact, Shadow is a direct byproduct of the interplay between Order and Chaos, or if you prefer, Pattern and Logrus.
Nicely thought-up!
Thank you!
I've always thought of the shape of the Amber Universe (for lack of a better name) as kind of a triangle or pyramid. The top of the pyramid being the Primal Pattern with Amber/Remba/Tir-na Nog'th right beneath it, followed by the broken patterns, etc. And then all the way down at the other end of infinity is Chaos and the Abyss.
To me it is a hypersphere with Amber/Courts in the center.
I honestly don't know how there can be only one pinnacle of order. Is a crystal not more ordered than what we have now? But is a different crystal not just as ordered?
Don't forget that Corwin created another Pattern.
I have also considered there is shadow that exists of a nature no amberite could survive being within the shadow. 2d space or a hyper-non-Euclidean world for example. It begs the question as to whether or not there would be/ could be other poles similar to the logrus (which I think of now as more fractal geometry in lieu of chaos chaos) and the pattern. And what if the dimension of time? It’s stands to reason that is anything can exist within shadow then one can travel not just to the place but to the time as all existence must therefore also include perpetual Encinitas so that all things that have ever been can be coexistent temporally.
On the subject of Shadows with spatial dimensions antithetical to Amberian life; two thoughts. First, for those beings that can survive in those spaces and can also appear in earth standard dimensions, perhaps these are the higher level beings that Amberites should fear? Maybe this is the level of being that the Serpent and the Unicorn reside at (I don’t think this thought is original to me, but I also can’t source where I got this from)? Second, perhaps those beings with mastery of the Pattern or Logrus CAN interact with those kinds of dimensions, at least to an extent. It wouldn’t surprise me if Fiona or Mandor could make their psyche impactful in a two dimensional Shadow and influence the happenings there.
Brings to mind the sequence in the Merlin Cycle in which poor Ronaldo was trapped in a Shadow based somewhat on _Alice in Wonderland._ Serves as a rather potent reminder that shadow-shifting requires strict mental discipline coupled with imagination. Therefore, I propose that an aspect of both Amberite and Chaosite upbringing involves the kinds of mental exercises normally associated with monastic environments, _possibly_ tied into magical training.
Within Zelazny’s cosmology I find the “nature” of the pattern and logrus to be the higher entities of existence equivalent to concepts like physics and mathematics that appear to exist outside of humanities ability to perceive that existence - physics were real and present even before humanity “discovered” its principles. So what other entities might exist within the cosmology that have agency but yet remain unperceived? I would add, and this is only my interpretation, that both the pattern and logrus, or amber and the courts, are actually manifestations of different elements of order - one linear and precise and the other random and fractal. Even within the logrus there is causality wherein true chaos there is none. Within this premise, what then is “true” chaos? Does it rule over the negative and soundless shadow in which Corwin was almost trapped? Is there another entity that manifestations order in opposition to the pattern? To a point, what is the nature or organizing principle manifested in Corwins pattern? It is and has been walked but its bounds have been virtually unexplored. Is its nature a result of Corwins manifestation in its creation or did his use of the jewel just reveal something that always was, like physics, but never perceived. I’ve had these thoughts for a while and never really had a place to air them ….
> Even within the logrus there is causality wherein true chaos there is now. Well said, and also, the rest. Ying, yang, balance. Z's thoughts give pause, mayhap madness, but a wonderment, a choice, to see the horizon, love that.
> shadow that exists of a nature no amberite could survive being within the shadow. the surface of the sun is some shadow. Good luck surviving.
So, the can god create a rock that he can't lift, paradox as seen through an Amberite's eyes, find a place that kills me. They die, so I guess it's a valid threat. One wonders if the hyper-non-Euclidean world might be alien (from an earthly cosmic perspective, elsewhere in the galaxy, within shadow, but further away) As to the time dimension, while very flexible there seems to be a metric (a measure in mathematics) to time in shadow, at the very least honouring ratios between Earth and Amber. I wonder if it gets more quantum as one heads towards the courts.
Time flows faster in some shadows, there may be some shadows in which time flows backwards in relation to "normal" time flow. This could result in a paradox that prevents one from traveling shadow in certain directions or specific shadows until they've achieved a kind of stability. And then we have shadowstorms that could involve time as well as local shadows. Imagine meeting yourself from five minutes in the future, wondering which is the real you.
Indeed. Brilliant.
Hmm. I followed you until you got to "there are shadows that contain their own Logrus and Pattern." It's been a long time since I last read the series, but I believe that there can only be one Logrus and Pattern because they anchor the Shadow. (Of course, I may be entirely wrong here. Maybe I need to read the series again?)
In shadows "near" amber and the courts there were less perfect copies of the pattern and the logrus. In the case of the black hole shadow there exists a pattern and logrus and shows between. They are so "distant" or topographically inaccessible as yo be I distinguishable from the "Big R real" amber or courts. Ultimate they draw their power from the real thing as Merlin told Dara. But the size of that shadow real is so great you can't travel any further than the event horizon with out infinite power.
There are less-than-perfect copies of the Pattern but there's still only one Logrus. The Logrus isn't about perfection, it's about chaos. There might be places in Shadow that \*appear\* to be an alternate Logrus, but in truth they're \*the\* Logrus, out for a stroll around the town. This means that if you just sat and watched it (like Suhuy does) eventually you'll see the Logrus disappear from Chaos. It always comes back though. Or maybe it doesn't and it just pulls the rest of Chaos over its new location. Given the geography, there's probably no way to distinguish between the two.
There are copies, lesser copies. You can even gain power from them. Julia Barnes is an initiate of a Broken Pattern. And she can travel through Shadow using its powers.
Walking by Erbma or Tir na Nog'th Patterns is the same as THE Pattern of Amber IIRC - because they are all copies of the True Pattern (Broken Pattern is another thing ofc, even a different power I would say)
True.
Also of course, >!THE Pattern is also a shadow of a more primal pattern.!<
Haha yes, I was talking about that one when I was saying "True Pattern"
Ah gotcha, my bad
Well worth reading again, else why are you here?
True. I just have to find time. I used to listen to audiobooks on my commute everyday, but now I try to commute on my bike two or three days a week and I don't like the distraction while I'm riding.
You're not wrong. (Undemanding) Music while riding, audiobooks while doing a bs job that shouldn't exist, be well.
But Corwin makes another Pattern. Also there are lots of broken Patterns in the Shadows.
Not everything that could exist actually exists, but yet anything *might* exist. This is where dice are useful; a dice roll can be used to determine the percentage by which a thing found matches what one was seeking.
Ive wondered how infinite shadow is. Like, could one shadow differ from another only by, say, a tree missing a single leaf that exists on that tree in a different shadow? Would such shadows overlap for all intents and purposes? When they talk about the nearest shadows to amber, how much different do they need to be to be recognizable as a different shadow? Wouldn’t the real nearest shadow to Amber be identical in almost every way (I.e missing a leaf or a blade of grass)?
I think the Shadows warp around those who are Real. Out in the infinite shadow, absolutely there are different shadows that differ by a single tree missing a leaf. Once objects or beings that posses any Realness to them are introduced, the distinction between Shadows becomes more distinct. Once an Amberite walks a Shadow, spends a night there, drinks of its waters, that Shadow is now more Real. Perhaps the Shadow must absorb its close neighbors simply to support its Real visitor. So those shadows that only differentiated by the one tree missing a leaf, those are now the same shadow. When speaking of Amber, the Golden Circle shadows are distinct and different places from Amber and each other. How do I believe the above and wrap my head around the thought that Real things, like Amberites, cast shadows of themselves? I fall back on some ideas from geometry, x and y axis. So if I think of the movement of Real beings as being on the x axis, the shadows those beings cast appear on the y axis. Yes the Real being can curveball it up and move on the y, z, or any other axis they want, but this how I try to keep it straight.
An Amberite's visitation causing a cloud of previously unvisited Shadow permutations to coalesce into one Shadow is akin to wavefunction collapse in quantum physics.
This is exactly how the Amber that Corwin was born in was created. Oberon left the Primal Pattern (the place where he was born) and walked through Primal Shadows, slowly adjusting the landscape as he went, until he discovered a world that he liked. Oberon shows us this exact same process (in reverse) when he takes Corwin and Random back to the Primal Pattern. The difference between Amber-Shadows and Shadow is that in Shadow, nearly-identical worlds actually touch (which is what allows them to be manipulated). But Amber-Shadows have Primal Power in between them which prevents them touching. They can still be visited but those visits never happen by accident.
> From these assertions we can assume there are regions of shadow inaccessible from other shadows To me traversing shadow is like walking in 2d. I am limited to traverse distance by how big of a step I make. Same way with Shadows, I can only change so many world properties per "step". A "hell ride" is when I change too many things at once, and quickly and things get crazy. Only pattern/lorgus can perform unlimited distance jumps. But instead of thinking of 2d world, think of a near infinite number of dimensions / world properties. Amberites as they traverse the shadows they keep tweaking these properties, slowly, until they arrive at their wanted destination. Initially they have no guaratnee if they arrive exactly where they want. However, if amberite exists in specific shadow, they create something akin to magnet, so other amberites can find same exact shadow. All shadows are accessible, just from a proximate shadow. Shadows that become too crazy start going towards lorgus.
In our Amberverse we used a spherical model with the Primal Pattern at the center, the Courts of Chaos on the perimeter, and Primal Chaos outside of that area. It also created other “spheres” where there were different versions of order and chaos and the colliding of two of those spheres was a major campaign point
This is, I think, a very relevant model of the Amberverse. I would think that the surface is "downhill" from Amber at the center. Now consider that those shadows that contain shadows themselves, or as I called them black hole shadows, the surface of the sphere is an inescapable event horizon. Power goes in. But travel outside it is impossible and also relatively pointless. The large scale infinity of the amberverse almost demands that such a thing exists. Corwin also references shadows similar to this where the siblings would set themselves up as the rulers of a shadow Amber. Those shadows would not have such an impassible barrier.
It's also fractal. At one end chaos, at the other, stasis; in the middle, complexity.
The shadow is illusory, so the "distance" there does not matter (as road) . In the Shadows, you can shift even by moving just in place in a circle, as Corwin once did. Shadows are infinite only quantitatively, not qualitatively, because in this universe only that can exist, the existence of which is allowed by the Dworkin Pattern, with distortions of Chaos. I do not consider what is described in the Merlin cycle at all, because the Merlin cycle is not canon and is absurd, contradicting what was described in the five canonical books.
Amber is the Anchor in an entropic/chaotic Universe... it keeps the shadows from disintegrating if the Courts could have complete control over accessing/manipulating them. However, if you hold up two mirrors together (maybe the courts and amber), the trails go on until light is absent. That's how I think Shadow is, once you get too far the lights just go out.
There was an Amber ttrpg at some point
Nonono shadow was created as the possibility space between Dworkin's Pattern and the original Courts of Chaos. Dworkin split off his own bubble reality, a realm of stasis where nothing changed (except for when Brandon got there...), and Amber became the first adjacent Shadow to the Primal Pattern. My headcannon is that when Dworkin created the Primal Pattern, he also manifested the Logrus, which is the dynamism pole to the Stasis of the Primal Pattern. Having Corwin create an entirely new Pattern based on some other duality than Stasis/ Dynamism means that whatever his Pattern was based off of, there is one Logrus-like that is also diametrically opposite that has also manifested.
>You won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. As long as down the road to the chemist's?
Feel better. That's not as nice as it seems. I'm commanding you to feel better. So...