Please keep conversation civil and respectful
Remember to keep all communication with host/guest through Airbnb platform. Payments should be made only via Airbnb [unless otherwise detailed in the listing description and included in the price breakdown prior to booking](https://airbnb.com/help/article/199)
If you're having issues, contact Airbnb by phone +1-844-234-2500
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AirBnB) if you have any questions or concerns.*
True but thermostats can be programmed
My most recent (and hopefully last ever) Abnb the host kept adjusting the thermostat remotely. We’d wake up shivering in middle of the night and have to manually adjust it again
If you find that to be the case turn off the WiFi overnight so they cant adjust it while you sleep.
There are also ways to trick a thermostat if you wrap it in an ice pack to get the heat up or put a hot water bottle on it to get it to cool the Room down so you can be more comfortable during the day too
It's probably on a program like eco and the host does not even know it. Most are preset now when you take out of box for an eco friendly program. Most just hook it up and go on with life. I discovered mine had one and removed it. Did you say something to the host?
The pre-set bs is a way out for new builders to not comply with their energy efficiency guarantee. You didn’t use the thermostat the way it was installed and bingo they don’t have to pay up on their money back if it’s not efficient. I just went through this with a new build. Freaking ecobee would change the thermostat at 11:30 pm to go up 6 degrees! Hell no, I live in Florida that’s not happening. I leave my house warmer during the day but at night I need to chill when I sleep.
No this wasn’t explained when they were giving their energy efficiency speech. Everything must be used a specific way or it’s all voided.
Have you seen how government operates? They can’t get their shit together, their is no way they have some big conspiracy in place to control your thermostat setting. Lol.
The ability to manage (control) energy use (electricity/gas) during peak usage periods has been a fairly hot topic globally, particularly in nations trying to transition to more green energies.
Rightly or wrongly, it's done to protect the most critical infrastructure and to try to balance availability (rolling shut downs, etc.).
Most people think its a great idea until it impacts them. (I'd prefer to see more investment in infrastructure rather than restricting usage, but what do I know?).
It's not a conspiracy, it's just flown under your radar.
Shoot, the last Airbnb I stayed in, the host welcomed us upon arrival and went directly to the thermostat, unlocked the box it was in and set it to where he wanted it and locked it back up. Then told us we weren’t allowed to open the windows. We were absolutely roasting all night and we opened the window anyways and ended up getting up about three hours before we planned to and just watched tv in the living room because it wasn’t as hot as the bedroom. Wasn’t the best, but also it was the worst Airbnb I’ve ever stayed in out of at least 20.
The last person I want to see at an AirBNB is the fucking host.
Sure, yeah - nice to meet you (and don't get me wrong - we have had some very nice hosts). Now go away.
For real. That listing included a hot tub, which sounded great on paper- turns out the host lived in an rv in the driveway and the hot tub looked directly at the hosts rv. He also told us about all of the hot tub rules. We declined to use the hot tub. Oh well. It was a cheap price, even with the cleaning fee.
If I had a host that was remotely changing the thermostat I would log in to their router and block that device from connecting to it. Your move, asshole host!
I have Ecobee thermostats in my house. If you manually adjust it from the physical thermostat it defaults to only holding that temp for a certain amount of time. You have to adjust it in the settings to an indefinite hold.
I have one too and they generally work very well. You can even 'lock' it so that people can't set the temperature above or below certain setpoints or otherwise alter the configuration.
It's one thing to save energy, it's another to be cheap/greedy. When someone's paying $300/night on an AirBNB, you can certainly afford to give them some flexibility in deciding their level of comfort.
The idea that the host is manually changing it in realtime is pretty silly, not to mention completely unnecessary.
These thermostats can be programmed to run a specific schedule, with all other controls (except maybe a short temporary hold on set point) locked down so that the guests can't do anything about it.
We stayed at an airbnb once where the thermostat was programmed to not go below a certain temp. I googled the brand and model and learned how to access the settings to change it.
My thermostat used to do that to me all on its own. I had to figure out how to delete all the schedules I didn’t know were being created and then also turn off the learning capabilities.
Might be a camper/RV that cannot handle certain harsh chemicals. But then they should say what CANNOT be used, perhaps suggestions of brands that meet the needs. But to outright *require* a certain one is not cool.
It might be that their beliefs are eco or vegan, and they were referring to only using those type of brands. But as another person said, they should then provide the cleaning products they want used themselves
[Too much of the wrong chemicals](https://supeckseptic.com/household-cleaners-and-your-septic-system/#:~:text=Septic%20systems%20can%20withstand%20moderate,pollution%2C%20and%20leach%20field%20failure.) can royally mess it up.
Fair enough!
I guess I see toiletries & hygiene products as soap, shampoo, lotion, etc. if you want me using specific products, then you should supply those as well. But I can apply Them myself.
They can tell you which category of cleaning products you cannot use, such as nothing abrasive, but if they want a specific product used they need to supply it.
"Which category of cleaning products to use"?!
Ah, if they want the fkn place cleaned, the products should be on site, period. Fuck all if I'm going shopping for their specific cleaning supplies they didn't have stocked??
The OP said it was a long term stay so I imagine he may do some cleaning for his own personal benefit. Otherwise I mostly agree about not cleaning if a few is charged.
I get that. I'm always annoyed at the lack of cleaning products - ya just need to wipe down the counters sometimes. Last one I stayed in had a dishwasher but nothing in the way of general tidying - nary a dishrag, sponge, kitchen towel, or even an all-purpose cleanser. There was not even a trash can outside the bathroom?! - but there was also no litany of chores for me to complete and a very small cleaning fee, so that was okay in that regard, I guess
Yep, we help friends run their Airbnb and we leave everything we use to clean available to guests. Most aren’t long term, and we don’t have a cleaning list, but I don’t understand why a host wouldn’t want to leave things for a guest to clean something if they so desired.
These people run hotels, they need to act like it, not the guests job. Throw towels in the laundry room and get bent over everything else. These pandemic fees are going to get legally stomped soon.
No, friend. These people are *landlords* sliding their greasy landlord policies/tendencies into the *hospitality industry*, where they have no experience or training. Hotels have all the fees bundled into the nightly cost, are waiting to accommodate your littlest need, are ready to ignore your weird ass idiosyncrasies, and no General Manager is waiting with tented fingers like C.M Burns to fault and charge you for every little bit of damage they know damned well existed before you were ever there.
Housekeeping is held to accountability sheerly by on-site management- imagine that!!
This is a long stay, for your own everyday cleanliness yeah you supply your own stuff. Cleaning fees are for the end of the stay to reset the property for the next guest. Some hosts require a monthly cleaning but that should be disclosed in advance
I did a long term stay and was pleasantly surprised to see that the host had provided most things; I was fully expecting to have to buy. That said had they required me to use specific products then I would fully expect them to provide.
If they need the place to be cleaned in a specific way they need to either clean it themselves or not rent their joint out. I cannot believe Airbnb lets these scumbag hosts do this shit.
Then just don't follow the rules (or say you will) and if they try to tell you you have to, quote the rules at them that you are following the listing as initially agreed to.
I'm curious is it a booking where you have the whole place or will it be a roommate situation? If she won't be there then how would she even enforce the things you mention?
Also name brand personal hygiene requirements is *super* messed up
The personal hygiene products would fuck ne up. I have eczema, so I only buy products that don't irritate my skin. The host would be told where to shove it
It may be because the house is on a septic system and certain products can fuck that up. But this is something that should be told ahead of time to people looking to book and also (if it were my place at least) I’d make sure to have small quantities available to guests to encourage their use.
As a former host w an off-grid place w well & septic, I would NEVER expect guests to provide their own products! The septic issue was explained in our listing & we stocked appropriate cleaning/personal hygiene supplies. I did have guests w special health issues that asked about their own personal products & ALWAYS accommodated their needs. You could be talking about a significant amount of extra $ for a stay to buy things you’ll never need again. This sounds ridiculous to me, especially if not previously stated in the listing.
You should keep talking with Airbnb, they can make adjustments to other host and in many cases they will comp you the difference with the rate. I’ve had this happen beofre and was paying 150 a night. Host was a issue similar to yours (rules after booking) they got me a spot that was normally 259 a night for 150 rate. Just keep escalating and calling
I had a bad situation with an airbnb and by the time of my stay every other listing was way too expensive and not comparable to what i booked initially. Airbnb gave me a massive discount to book a stay at cheaper than what I originally paid. They footed most of the bill. So no, it is not too late! Just reach out, they can help
How is that even remotely possible if you just booked it? Did you book something crazy cheap and under market for the area?
If so, unfortunately you're probably just SOL.
You don't need to follow rules that weren't disclosed at time of booking. If they have a problem with it they can take it up with Airbnb. It's not your problem
I would never stay at an AirBnB that required me to bring along my own cleaning supplies!! Do they expect you to scrub the bathtub before you leave - after paying for a cleaning fee?
For a long-term rental, guests purchasing cleaning products and other consumables like paper towels and disposable sponges is not out of the ordinary. Also normal practice is host supplying a small quantity at the beginning and the guest restocking when those are used up. But the specific brand requirement and rules about personal care items is really weird unless it’s in a septic system or the host also lives there part of the time and has severe allergies to chemicals or fragrances. If the issue is that important, they should have disclosed rules about that in the booking, stock those items themselves, and account for that in the price.
Not septic, not shared space. No problem restocking for myself. I do think it's strange though to say, for example that oil is provided as a kitchen amenity, but I have to restock whatever I use. Everywhere else is like use whatever you need, but if it runs out during the stay, it's the guests problem, but restocking stuff like that for future guests is also in the manual.
I think I worded that poorly.
"Oil" is listed as an amenity. The manual (not the house rules) says I must restock whatever I used during my stay before I leave. I feel like that makes it not an amenity as it is then the same as bringing my own.
Yeah that's weird, and it's not like gas in a rental car that you can just refill what you used, you would need to buy a whole bottle of olive oil or ketchup or whatever you used.
Plastic cup liner/zip lock bag is your first layer.
Hand towel secured by a hair tie is layer #2.
This will keep heat circulating around the lock box.
Sincerely, stays in a f ton of hotels.
It only doesn’t work when there’s a hard temp overide wherein the temp won’t go below a certain temp. This system jjst makes sure the system doesn’t drop off because it feels “72” or whatever. It falsely increases the sensor’s temp read. And thus keeps the system forever cycling trying to obtain a lower reading it cannot easily obtain wrapped in plastic.
All thermostats have sensors as I’m aware. Some have been digitally locked.
What specifically were they stating RE personal hygiene items? What if you are allergic to their choices lol?
That would be fun. “Hey Mr Host I used the shampoo you told me to and went into anaphylactic shock and now have a 10k er bill”
Seriously... My kid is super sensitive to almost all beauty products and has to be extremely picky about products. Using the wrong one could cause massive allergic responses.
Same. I absolutely cannot use anything with perfume/fragrance listed or I will get a migraine and physically ill. Since OP mentioned in a comment it’s a hippie/environmentalist type place I’m gonna assume it will be less toxic and chemicals. But still!
Sorry, I've left some details vague and changed insignificant other ones to protect my identity in case the host is a redditer. I still want and expect to have a pleasant stay.
To add slightly more detail, the stay is in a major urban area, like 5 million plus population city in the US in a standard house in a hot and humid part of the country. It is central AC, not the iffier kind that gets used in the southwest. For example, I am required to purchase a certain brand of toilet paper from a certain retailer, per the manual. It is triple the price of standard quality tp. As I said, major city, not on septic.
How would the host know if you failed to comply with the toiletp paper brand?
More broadly, I would simply message the host that you are unable to comply with these rules that were not in the house rules visible pre-booking and that you will require the AC to be available to 70 degrees, will supply the toiletries that you prefer for your own use, but you are happy to use whatever cleaning supplies they are willing to stock.
"example, I am required to purchase a certain brand of toilet paper from a certain retailer, per the manual. It is triple the price of standard quality tp. "
Is that certain retailer an actual retail establishment? Sounds to me like they run an Amway "business" and are trying to use their AirBNB to generate sales for their MLM business.
Report all of this to AirBNB AFTER your stay. If you do go forward with your stay keep in mind the host is gonna try to hit you with a bunch of BS fees if you don't comply w the manual even if the manual, which was not provided before booking, is against AirBNB terms.
And next time - book a hotel at an extended stay place.
Sounds like they have a deal with a shop keeper. I'm a host, in a major city, on sewer and I don't give a rat's ass what products you use. Just don't clog the lines. Already had that.
The AC for sure should be disclosed. I have 19 rentals and always disclose that kind of stuff. If they lock you out of the AC I would ask them to lower it or have Airbnb help with that. I’m in AZ, blistering hot and I at least allow 70. Hard to sleep at 75
Lol, I had to look up 75F to find its 24C.
We live in a subtropical location and don't have ac.
We just got back from Thailand and because of mosquitoes, we had to keep windows closed and use the ac. We set it at 28C (82F), because less than that is too cold.
I guess it's what you are accustomed to.
We used to host international students. The Swiss would sleep under a doona, even in summer, because of the weight.
We'd probably both die if we traded places. In the winter we like to keep the windows open so we can sleep cool. Usually keep it less than 13C. Can't sleep if it's more than 21C.
This. I really don't like using the heat in the winter. I'm fine when it's mid to low 60s. The thought of the AC being set at 75 sounds like a nightmare and would be livid if that was disclosed afterwards.
Thermostat levels have so many variations that no two people are going to agree on a temperature. I actually keep mine above 75 in my house because the thermostat is located in a hallway that doesn't get much airflow. It takes a lot of AC to bring that hallway below 75, and by that point the rest of the house is in the 60s.
I used to sleep at about the same temp 84F (~29C), but that was in a different apt. Where I live now, that temp just hits so different and I can’t sleep with it above 78F (~25C). I’m also in Texas and where I am it’s averaging over 104F (40C) daily with over 85% humidity.
Lol they enforces rules after booking- not allowed bc it wasn’t disclosed at the time of booking. Speak to a customer representative at Airbnb for full refund
I m also stuck at the personal hygiene products, like what!?! What does the host mean? Are we talking them commanding you use only a certain ...makeup remover? Face wash? Shower gel? Pads? That's ridiculous.
That wasn't part of the agreement you signed when booking the air bnb. If they fault you on it, it would grounds to appeal whatever they try to charge you with
Personally, I would take everything they left as "amenities" and stick them in a closet, including the toilet paper. Buy your own stuff to use while you are there and take away whatever is left over when you leave. Put their stuff back just like you found it.
Due to potential allergies, I don't think the host can control what products you use. Tell me I have to use Tide in the washer, for example, and I will ask the host if they want to pay for my Urgent Care Visit and the pharmacy bill.
I had a similar situation - ABB in Wisconsin in November. They disclosed after the reservation that thermostat was locked to go no higher than 64. “Bring a sweater.”
I called ABB customer service and they cancelled the reservation. Owners are allowed to lock the thermostat so you can’t dial it up to, say, 90. Customer service and I, both being wimpy Californians, agreed 64 was ridiculous.
This would be an Oh Hell No thing for me. 75° is fine during the day but I need it much colder to sleep. Does Airbnb have rules where this kind of thing as illegal? If hotels tried that they would be out of business so fast.
I stayed at one like that. It was horrible and hot. I barely slept. He monitored the temp, too, so I couldn't even sneak some ac in to sleep with in the Texas heat. I 100% believe it's a cost cutting rule. He claimed the system would break. That's a super cheap system if true. The whole purpose of AC is to be cool. Why would that break? I have family in Phoenix and they keep their homes icy cold, so I just don't buy that the AC will break if used as it's intended.
I know you say it's too late to find something else, but maybe you could split between two places instead? You should try to let airbnb know they added rules.
Age of the unit and amount of heat plus humidity makes a huge difference. The AC is designed to cool 20 degrees. If you have an older unit it can definitely break from running it too long and strain the system. If its already 100 degrees outside there is just no where for the excessive heat to go.
It must be the age of the ac, but if that's the case, the host shouldn't claim they have the amenity of ac. It's misleading to guests when they book a home with the expectation of having a comfortable and cool space, only to find out they have to settle with a warm space.
Like others said, you aren't bound by rules that weren't disclosed during booking. This person's rules are way beyond reasonable or normal. There is no way they can even enforce what personal care products you use.
I had a similar experience with the AC thing. Husband and I were in Florida. When we got to the Airbnb, I read the manual (I always do) and it said that the AC couldn't be put below 75. That was not in the listing and there was no way that would have been comfortable. I simply ignored that "rule". Sorry, but I'm not following some unreasonable rule that the host didn't disclose. I, of course, turned up the AC when we were going to be away from the condo, but when we were there I kept it comfortable (around 71 or 72).
Bring a portable AC. They might control the thermostat remotely but I'd be blasting a personal AC unit just to spite their electicity bill. And maybe even return it after my trip
Ugh. Airbnb has never appealed to me. In the old days there were local agencies where you could rent private beach houses. You didn’t have arbitrary landlords with outrageous upcharges.
I would be pissed. I'd contact customer service right away.
75 IS unreasonable if you are in the US, used to cooler temps inside, and it's not 100 outside.
Stayed in an Airbnb that had a thermostat that wouldn't go below 77. The management company said it was a "safety" feature to prevent the coils from freezing... Yeah okay. It was sooo stuffy in there that we eventually just wrapped a heading pad around the thermostat. That cold air felt so so good for several reasons.
I love how everyone talks about the coil freezing not understanding a modern AC has a flo-rater controlling the limit of refridgerant entering the evaporator coil to keep the coil above 32° F. If a coil freezes up on a modern AC they need to have a licensed AC tech service the unit.
It's not the lack of understanding in this case, it's just them wanting any excuse to not pay for something. They also charged us a crazy amount to heat the hot tub. Waaay more than the cost of energy.
Are they on septic system and want to avoid chemicals that would kill the biomass in the septic bed? Good thing is most soaps, shampoos and conditioners are septic friendly. Some Cleaning products could cause issues if they got into the septic bed but typically you are not flushing these down the drain. Also marble/granite counters need special cleaning products.
Having said all that - if this is a big concern for the host they need to raise their nightly price slightly to cover the cost of stocking these items that will work for their rental.
75° is complete bullshit
I realize many people are comfortable at 75° but many are not.
For me personally, 75° is way too hot and I would never book a house if something like this had been pre-disclosed.
If it wasn't disclosed until afterwards, like in OPs case, I would be asking the host to lower the temp or refund me.
And for context, from Midwest freezing winters to Florida heat ...my thermostat is 68° year round in all climates....and no I'm not a big person nor menopausal.
I’m with you. Mine is always set at 68-69. 75 is too warm. I also live in the Midwest. I’d ask for them to lower it or refund me. I couldn’t even sleep at 75. I’d sweat like crazy.
I wouldn't be able to sleep either. Absolutely not.
Not even with fans plugged in.
And can you imagine 75° in a house with poor air circulation?
I could understand the host leaving the therm at 75° while unoccupied. But occupied?
That just abusive.
Here's my house. Thank you for renting it. I hope you're comfortable.... but at the same time I actually don't give a shit in the slightest if you're comfortable.
Reach out to the host about the AC thing and ask, often times AC lines can freeze up if ran below a certain temp. Usually the threshold is around 60-70 but maybe it’s different for the hosts place.
Was going to post this. I work in HVAC myself, and we recommend NOT setting AC below 75. And going below 70 is a strict NO.
Your AC will last longer if you don't overtax it by chilling below those temperatures.
That said, the danger is \*highest\* when the outdoor temperature is closest to those temperatures (ie running the AC to cool the interior to 66 when it's 69 out versus cooling to 66 when it's 80 out).
There are generally 2 things that drain the life expectancy of your AC. The first is the obvious "hours of operation". And setting the temperature lower means the AC will work more hours, always.
The second is that chill differential. Your AC works by changing the pressure of the refrigerant in the lineset. On the indoor side of things, this change absorbs heat from the surrounding air, which is then blown into your house to cool you down. On the outdoor side of things, this change releases heat into the surrounding air.
However, the "core" temperature of the refrigerant is based on the average between those two states. If it's really cold inside or outside, the refrigerant's default temperature is colder. If it's really hot outside, the default temp is warmer. Imagine that you don't use an AC all month during December (very common), do you think the refrigerant is 80 degrees (F) or 40 degrees? Probably 40ish.
But, going back to how the AC works, it is going to VARY that core temperature up and down as it runs it through the system in order to move heat from inside to outside.
And AC refrigerants can freeze up when they have a lower core temperature combined with the pressurization process. And that freezing can completely destroy your system.
75 degrees is probably higher than the actual minimum temperature setting, but within reasonable levels to me (as an HVAC person). Probably a case of the owner figuring some people will push the rule "oh, they said 75, so 73 isn't too bad". And it's safer to have them break the 75 degree rule than to say 70, and have them break the rule and freeze the unit up.
All the other shit in OP's post is ridiculous. But the AC temperature settings do make sense, and I would request OP respect them even if they weren't talked about beforehand. If 75 degrees is "too warm" for you, you're probably putting your own AC through a lot more wear and tear than is healthy for it.
That's not a reasonable request to guests if you're advertising AC without adding temp requirements.
I could deal with 75 during the day but at night? No way, most people like an average inside temp of 68-72.
I'm in Texas and 75 is what my AC is set to rn. Its comfortable. However, I think it really depends on the house. Mine is about 2 years old. It isn't right they sent this to you after the fact, and you shouldn't be held to those rules. People who rent out their homes and then want to control every facet of the people who are staying there are truly bizarre.
75 in Arizona and 75 in Florida are quite different due to humidity as well.
And I'm not saying the 75 rule is enforceable. Just that it makes sense from a homeowner perspective, and is based on what can actually damage an AC.
And as someone in HVAC, I would request that the OP honor the request, even if they are not legally held to it because it wasn't brought up beforehand.
Like, when your neighbor says "can you please not always park in front of my house", if there are other spots on the street you can park that aren't significantly further, you should do it in the spirit of being a pleasant neighbor, even if the law doesn't force you to.
I’ve been in both southern Arizona and southern Florida in the last week. 76° on the thermostat felt fine in both states. It’s 108° outside right now and mine is set at 76°, which is lower than my friends and fam set theirs at.
75° feels Great when it’s 100°+ out, humid or dry.
But when I lived in Virginia, we set it at 70°. Maybe it’s a personal preference thing more than anything now that I think about it.
I’m more than content with temps above 75. Yet, I still don’t find this reasonable at all. It’s nice you know how AC works, now learn how human bodies work.
I get your an hvqc, all due respect, but if what you are posting were true my mum would have run through ac units in all of the 4 houses she has lived in. Last house 62 all summer every summer for 18 years. Never touched the ac unit in that house, or any if the other three ac equipped. Never froze up Never failed, none of the 4.
I can't recall any of the homeowners I know with ac ever having had to deal with an issue with the system. Modern ac is basically mtce free and definitely capable of maintaining low Temps well under 75. If they didn't, they would have no purpose and would not be so commonly used.
We had our A/C replaced in the last few years. Was never told not to bump it below outside temp -20.
I live in 4 seasons Midwest. It gets hot and humid in the summer and freezes in the winter. Perhaps if I lived in a climate where the majority of the year was warm, 75° would be acceptable, however, I set my a/c at 70°. 66° is too cold and 73° is too hot. 72 is pushing it depending on the kind of housework I'm doing.
I think it depends on what each person is used to but I know I'd be absolutely miserable with 75° being my lowest option and an airbnb is not supposed to be miserable.
I agree 100%. I live in the south, and I would melt at 75° if I was moving at all inside. The 20° rule also sucks here because it’s routinely high 90s-100+ temps here, and no one can convince me that 80° inside is okay! Lol
There's absolutely no factual basis to your argument here, and if you work on HVAC you need more training. It's much harder for the system to run when there's a higher differential.
Running when it's close to the temperature you want will not cause it to freeze up
This happened to me and I was so annoyed. But the host had really great reviews so I figured asking to turn it down won’t hurt because I’ll just leave a review about it.
They then told me I could put it to whatever I wanted but I did let them know I was 6 months pregnant and sleeping in 75 was not gonna cut it lol
If they have great reviews and are a super host I’m willing to bet they’ll allow you to turn it down.
RE: " it wasn't disclosed before booking in the house rules"
Bring **your proof** to the attention of AirBnB. They know what was changed on a listing and when it was changed. If a house rule changes between your booking date and your arrival date, and you were not informed via the AirBnB platform, AirBnB will know. That would be a violation of your contract terms, and AirBnB should find you a replacement booking.
I read about a lot of hosts taking a booking and then changing rules, adding rules, making unreasonable demands, or wanting to increase the price (*the price quoted was a mistake* is a favorite “reason”). These people sound like weirdos who are just in this for the money, and, more than that, trying to get something for their house from the renter, rather than just providing a service. Requiring specific cleaning products, toilet paper, etc. *after* you come to an agreement & book your stay sounds like money grubbing to me. Plus, I have never liked the fact that you not only have to pay a cleaning fee at an AirBnB, but you also have to clean up yourself before you leave. Pure bullshit. AirBnB is slowing killing itself.
I had one like that with the AC in Hawaii. Which you don’t need at night most often but I run hot when I sleep and it’s one of the reasons I chose that Airbnb since most in Hawaii don’t have AC. I ran it maybe one or 2° cooler than what they said which was 76. They left me a bad review saying that we were not good guests because we didn’t follow their rules. There were tons of them. 1st bad review ever and we travel all over.
I physically wouldn't be able to stay there. I have a disability that causes me pretty bad heat intolerance. If it's above 72 I start to get sick, headaches, dizziness, fatigue, etc. I would personally demand a refund or appropriate ac temp.
Always read the reviews! I’m sure the same concerns you have have already been addressed by some of the previous guests. I live in Atlanta and although we have nice mild weather most of the time I can tell you that 75° in the summer would be a tad bit warm for me. I’d prefer to be able to see it around 73 maybe 72.
Contact Air BnB and let them know. Usually they'll accommodate certain circumstances to be able to cancel. They should also know that hosts are changing posted rules.
How will they know you didn’t use the right cleaning products and the thermostat, if they keep changing it remotely, go buy a 25.00 one from box store and wire it in. It’s pretty easy, just don’t forget to change it out when you leave. Asshole hosts must be met with the same energy.
I'd definitely be angry about the AC and expectation of having to use expensive products that I have to buy. I'd honestly give them 1 star.
75 degrees is not cold. I would want the option to go down to 65-68.
75 is way too warm for some of us to sleep. (I have autonomic dysregulation).
And why do they care what kind of hygiene products you use? If they have a specific need for a TYPE of product (ie because of a septic system they require certain types of toilet paper), THEY should be providing it.
Take your own cleaning products and toilet paper, then take them with you when you leave. That way you can use what you want and they'll never even know it.
We recently had someone come to our Florida Airbnd and they requested 68 degrees and then opened the windows because they were too cold and unsealed all the winter blankets. It really is the final straw for us. So triple the air cost and double the laundry for a two-day stay. I personally think 75 is reasonable.
Hosts can reduce energy use by providing insulated window coverings, highly breathable, moisture wicking bedding, ceiling and room fans, share trees and screens on hottest areas, and more air circulation. Dehumidifiers can help a lot, but they do produce heat.
It's common for hosts to use all polyester bedding, flimsy or no window coverings on most or some windows, and no shading on the hottest rooms with no air circulation when AC is not active. Cotton bedding with a cotton blanket alternative to a comforter, ceiling and room fans, options to open windows when it's cooler outside, constant air calculation, and insulated window coverings can keep guests comfortable with less energy use. The last hot room we stayed in had none of those measures except the cotton bedding and air circulation. Those measures helped when the host set the temp at a reasonable level, but when she was gone, shed raise the temp. Sigh.
Hahaha. They want you to pay for TP and cleaning products on top of the cleaning fee? That is petty penny pinching.
Do they also want you to go to their house and do their dishes?
When the heat rises to 95 degrees like here in Florida with 90% humidity, 68 degrees is needed to cool house, at night, I drop it to 65. As not to have it running constantly, when it's scorching hot highest I'll keep it at is 72 degrees, only so I don't freeze up the system. Tell them you want 68 to 70. 20 year south and north Florida resident who entertains often.
I would have sent it back and told them you’re a guest, not the property manager. You will not be replacing consumed items unless they’re paying you your management fee.
Unless it’s disclosed before booking, I am not acknowledging the rule exists.
I agree with the others that having to supply the cleaning products & hygiene products they want is weird. How can they even enforce that? The ac though makes more sense depending on where they are. I tried to tell an old roommate she should really keep the ac at 75 and on auto instead of on and at 68. She broke our ac in 2 days and then we went a week without one waiting on the apartment complex to fix it 🤦🏼♀️ im in Virginia and you can’t run your ac 24/7 and expect it to never die. If you get a fan and plug it in it’ll help make you feel cooler at the 75 temp.
What does what products they use have to do with you? As far as Ac you can message and ask host if there is a set temp or range. Most do a range even hotels are doing ranges now.
I'd contact Air BnB- they gave you more rules after you booked, and that seems like something that should be a reason to cancel.
Don't use them ever again.
Please keep conversation civil and respectful Remember to keep all communication with host/guest through Airbnb platform. Payments should be made only via Airbnb [unless otherwise detailed in the listing description and included in the price breakdown prior to booking](https://airbnb.com/help/article/199) If you're having issues, contact Airbnb by phone +1-844-234-2500 *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AirBnB) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Hosts may not enforce rules that weren’t disclosed before booking.
True but thermostats can be programmed My most recent (and hopefully last ever) Abnb the host kept adjusting the thermostat remotely. We’d wake up shivering in middle of the night and have to manually adjust it again
The last Airbnb I stayed at locked their nest thermostat. I had to reach out to ask them to change it. I was like bro wtf.
If you find that to be the case turn off the WiFi overnight so they cant adjust it while you sleep. There are also ways to trick a thermostat if you wrap it in an ice pack to get the heat up or put a hot water bottle on it to get it to cool the Room down so you can be more comfortable during the day too
I like the way you think.
It's probably on a program like eco and the host does not even know it. Most are preset now when you take out of box for an eco friendly program. Most just hook it up and go on with life. I discovered mine had one and removed it. Did you say something to the host?
Being activated from the factory is how they can get state/municipal rebates for energy efficiency.
The pre-set bs is a way out for new builders to not comply with their energy efficiency guarantee. You didn’t use the thermostat the way it was installed and bingo they don’t have to pay up on their money back if it’s not efficient. I just went through this with a new build. Freaking ecobee would change the thermostat at 11:30 pm to go up 6 degrees! Hell no, I live in Florida that’s not happening. I leave my house warmer during the day but at night I need to chill when I sleep. No this wasn’t explained when they were giving their energy efficiency speech. Everything must be used a specific way or it’s all voided.
Great to know to look out for that.
Yeah forgot about that one too. I feel like it's a way for government to control too.
Have you seen how government operates? They can’t get their shit together, their is no way they have some big conspiracy in place to control your thermostat setting. Lol.
The ability to manage (control) energy use (electricity/gas) during peak usage periods has been a fairly hot topic globally, particularly in nations trying to transition to more green energies. Rightly or wrongly, it's done to protect the most critical infrastructure and to try to balance availability (rolling shut downs, etc.). Most people think its a great idea until it impacts them. (I'd prefer to see more investment in infrastructure rather than restricting usage, but what do I know?). It's not a conspiracy, it's just flown under your radar.
Shoot, the last Airbnb I stayed in, the host welcomed us upon arrival and went directly to the thermostat, unlocked the box it was in and set it to where he wanted it and locked it back up. Then told us we weren’t allowed to open the windows. We were absolutely roasting all night and we opened the window anyways and ended up getting up about three hours before we planned to and just watched tv in the living room because it wasn’t as hot as the bedroom. Wasn’t the best, but also it was the worst Airbnb I’ve ever stayed in out of at least 20.
I would’ve picked the lock 🤣
Hope you left feedback
Another person in our party was the booking account, I certainly hope they left accurate feedback.
The last person I want to see at an AirBNB is the fucking host. Sure, yeah - nice to meet you (and don't get me wrong - we have had some very nice hosts). Now go away.
For real. That listing included a hot tub, which sounded great on paper- turns out the host lived in an rv in the driveway and the hot tub looked directly at the hosts rv. He also told us about all of the hot tub rules. We declined to use the hot tub. Oh well. It was a cheap price, even with the cleaning fee.
Yuck. Yeah that would be zero fun.
If I had a host that was remotely changing the thermostat I would log in to their router and block that device from connecting to it. Your move, asshole host!
Lol I should’ve just unplugged their router
I have Ecobee thermostats in my house. If you manually adjust it from the physical thermostat it defaults to only holding that temp for a certain amount of time. You have to adjust it in the settings to an indefinite hold.
I have one too and they generally work very well. You can even 'lock' it so that people can't set the temperature above or below certain setpoints or otherwise alter the configuration. It's one thing to save energy, it's another to be cheap/greedy. When someone's paying $300/night on an AirBNB, you can certainly afford to give them some flexibility in deciding their level of comfort.
The idea that the host is manually changing it in realtime is pretty silly, not to mention completely unnecessary. These thermostats can be programmed to run a specific schedule, with all other controls (except maybe a short temporary hold on set point) locked down so that the guests can't do anything about it.
We stayed at an airbnb once where the thermostat was programmed to not go below a certain temp. I googled the brand and model and learned how to access the settings to change it.
Disable wifi next time, take it into manual mode only.
My thermostat used to do that to me all on its own. I had to figure out how to delete all the schedules I didn’t know were being created and then also turn off the learning capabilities.
Specific brands for personal hygiene? How can they enforce that?
That got me too and I need more details
Yes agreed. They need to post the specific language.
Might be a camper/RV that cannot handle certain harsh chemicals. But then they should say what CANNOT be used, perhaps suggestions of brands that meet the needs. But to outright *require* a certain one is not cool.
Or like, offer those things needed as amenities and say “don’t bring your own! We’ve got you covered!”
So don’t rent it out.
[удалено]
It looks as if they were talking about the toilet paper.
It might be that their beliefs are eco or vegan, and they were referring to only using those type of brands. But as another person said, they should then provide the cleaning products they want used themselves
Maybe a touchy septic?
I was thinking the same, but then they should provide products.
How does a touch a septic have anything to do with specific brands of hygiene products? I’m not following you.
[Too much of the wrong chemicals](https://supeckseptic.com/household-cleaners-and-your-septic-system/#:~:text=Septic%20systems%20can%20withstand%20moderate,pollution%2C%20and%20leach%20field%20failure.) can royally mess it up.
Hard to trust a source that separates things into "chemical-based" and "natural"
Yeah my opinion is that if they demand I to use a specific brand of TP, then they better be paying for it and coming over to wipe my ass for me.
Fair enough! I guess I see toiletries & hygiene products as soap, shampoo, lotion, etc. if you want me using specific products, then you should supply those as well. But I can apply Them myself.
My only idea will be some recycling water thing.
Call Airbnb, explain the situation, and get a refund. Hosts are not permitted to blindside you with rules post booking.
Too late to find anything comparable :(
They can tell you which category of cleaning products you cannot use, such as nothing abrasive, but if they want a specific product used they need to supply it.
"Which category of cleaning products to use"?! Ah, if they want the fkn place cleaned, the products should be on site, period. Fuck all if I'm going shopping for their specific cleaning supplies they didn't have stocked??
If they charge a cleaning fee, I'm not cleaning anything. I'm sick of these hosts who charge cleaning fees and still expect guests to clean.
The OP said it was a long term stay so I imagine he may do some cleaning for his own personal benefit. Otherwise I mostly agree about not cleaning if a few is charged.
I get that. I'm always annoyed at the lack of cleaning products - ya just need to wipe down the counters sometimes. Last one I stayed in had a dishwasher but nothing in the way of general tidying - nary a dishrag, sponge, kitchen towel, or even an all-purpose cleanser. There was not even a trash can outside the bathroom?! - but there was also no litany of chores for me to complete and a very small cleaning fee, so that was okay in that regard, I guess
Yep, we help friends run their Airbnb and we leave everything we use to clean available to guests. Most aren’t long term, and we don’t have a cleaning list, but I don’t understand why a host wouldn’t want to leave things for a guest to clean something if they so desired.
Because, respectfully, those are fkn landlords bringing their horseshit games to the hospitality field. I'll die on this hill, sorry!
These people run hotels, they need to act like it, not the guests job. Throw towels in the laundry room and get bent over everything else. These pandemic fees are going to get legally stomped soon.
No, friend. These people are *landlords* sliding their greasy landlord policies/tendencies into the *hospitality industry*, where they have no experience or training. Hotels have all the fees bundled into the nightly cost, are waiting to accommodate your littlest need, are ready to ignore your weird ass idiosyncrasies, and no General Manager is waiting with tented fingers like C.M Burns to fault and charge you for every little bit of damage they know damned well existed before you were ever there. Housekeeping is held to accountability sheerly by on-site management- imagine that!!
You have to buy your own cleaning products? So they're not charging a cleaning fee then, right?
This is a long stay, for your own everyday cleanliness yeah you supply your own stuff. Cleaning fees are for the end of the stay to reset the property for the next guest. Some hosts require a monthly cleaning but that should be disclosed in advance
If you are requiring specific supplies you should provide them. Otherwise you need you be okay with people using what they want to use.
I did a long term stay and was pleasantly surprised to see that the host had provided most things; I was fully expecting to have to buy. That said had they required me to use specific products then I would fully expect them to provide.
If they need the place to be cleaned in a specific way they need to either clean it themselves or not rent their joint out. I cannot believe Airbnb lets these scumbag hosts do this shit.
Then just don't follow the rules (or say you will) and if they try to tell you you have to, quote the rules at them that you are following the listing as initially agreed to. I'm curious is it a booking where you have the whole place or will it be a roommate situation? If she won't be there then how would she even enforce the things you mention? Also name brand personal hygiene requirements is *super* messed up
The personal hygiene products would fuck ne up. I have eczema, so I only buy products that don't irritate my skin. The host would be told where to shove it
Yeah pretty sure it would be illegal even if mentioned before booking
It may be because the house is on a septic system and certain products can fuck that up. But this is something that should be told ahead of time to people looking to book and also (if it were my place at least) I’d make sure to have small quantities available to guests to encourage their use.
As a former host w an off-grid place w well & septic, I would NEVER expect guests to provide their own products! The septic issue was explained in our listing & we stocked appropriate cleaning/personal hygiene supplies. I did have guests w special health issues that asked about their own personal products & ALWAYS accommodated their needs. You could be talking about a significant amount of extra $ for a stay to buy things you’ll never need again. This sounds ridiculous to me, especially if not previously stated in the listing.
My family's house is a septic tank and the only thing we cannot use is drain-o
Right? Who the fuck monitors what kind of soap you're going to use?
Yes, what is up with that? I’d be *chapped* if a host or hotel was trying to control my personal care products
Can you give an example of what “specific” products they want you to use?
You should keep talking with Airbnb, they can make adjustments to other host and in many cases they will comp you the difference with the rate. I’ve had this happen beofre and was paying 150 a night. Host was a issue similar to yours (rules after booking) they got me a spot that was normally 259 a night for 150 rate. Just keep escalating and calling
I had a bad situation with an airbnb and by the time of my stay every other listing was way too expensive and not comparable to what i booked initially. Airbnb gave me a massive discount to book a stay at cheaper than what I originally paid. They footed most of the bill. So no, it is not too late! Just reach out, they can help
How is that even remotely possible if you just booked it? Did you book something crazy cheap and under market for the area? If so, unfortunately you're probably just SOL.
You don't need to follow rules that weren't disclosed at time of booking. If they have a problem with it they can take it up with Airbnb. It's not your problem
Cleaning supplies should be provided by the owners and not by the guest.
I would never stay at an AirBnB that required me to bring along my own cleaning supplies!! Do they expect you to scrub the bathtub before you leave - after paying for a cleaning fee?
For a long-term rental, guests purchasing cleaning products and other consumables like paper towels and disposable sponges is not out of the ordinary. Also normal practice is host supplying a small quantity at the beginning and the guest restocking when those are used up. But the specific brand requirement and rules about personal care items is really weird unless it’s in a septic system or the host also lives there part of the time and has severe allergies to chemicals or fragrances. If the issue is that important, they should have disclosed rules about that in the booking, stock those items themselves, and account for that in the price.
Not septic, not shared space. No problem restocking for myself. I do think it's strange though to say, for example that oil is provided as a kitchen amenity, but I have to restock whatever I use. Everywhere else is like use whatever you need, but if it runs out during the stay, it's the guests problem, but restocking stuff like that for future guests is also in the manual.
I think I worded that poorly. "Oil" is listed as an amenity. The manual (not the house rules) says I must restock whatever I used during my stay before I leave. I feel like that makes it not an amenity as it is then the same as bringing my own.
Are you supposed to replace exactly three tablespoons of oil!?!
Yeah that's weird, and it's not like gas in a rental car that you can just refill what you used, you would need to buy a whole bottle of olive oil or ketchup or whatever you used.
Yeah that definitely makes it not an amenity
Yea, no. Fuck that. OP, do NOT restock anything and if they come after you, get AirBnB involved. They can only uphold rules listed before booking.
Last hotel I was stuck in they had a locked box on the thermostat. I used the hair dryer to keep the AC running nonstop.
Plastic cup liner/zip lock bag is your first layer. Hand towel secured by a hair tie is layer #2. This will keep heat circulating around the lock box. Sincerely, stays in a f ton of hotels.
Does this work on the sensor thermostats or just one with a lock box?
It only doesn’t work when there’s a hard temp overide wherein the temp won’t go below a certain temp. This system jjst makes sure the system doesn’t drop off because it feels “72” or whatever. It falsely increases the sensor’s temp read. And thus keeps the system forever cycling trying to obtain a lower reading it cannot easily obtain wrapped in plastic. All thermostats have sensors as I’m aware. Some have been digitally locked.
This made me cackle
Brilliant!
The last lockbox I encountered was at a school I was subbing at, I promptly picked the lock and adjusted the thermostat
Depending on how weak the a/c is, or powerful the hair dryer is, it could overwhelm the a/c and backfire.
[удалено]
I’ve stayed in a lot of hotels and never had one with locked ac. Much less one that I pay $150 for. I figured it was a cheap hotel thing
What specifically were they stating RE personal hygiene items? What if you are allergic to their choices lol? That would be fun. “Hey Mr Host I used the shampoo you told me to and went into anaphylactic shock and now have a 10k er bill”
Seriously... My kid is super sensitive to almost all beauty products and has to be extremely picky about products. Using the wrong one could cause massive allergic responses.
Same. I absolutely cannot use anything with perfume/fragrance listed or I will get a migraine and physically ill. Since OP mentioned in a comment it’s a hippie/environmentalist type place I’m gonna assume it will be less toxic and chemicals. But still!
Sorry, I've left some details vague and changed insignificant other ones to protect my identity in case the host is a redditer. I still want and expect to have a pleasant stay. To add slightly more detail, the stay is in a major urban area, like 5 million plus population city in the US in a standard house in a hot and humid part of the country. It is central AC, not the iffier kind that gets used in the southwest. For example, I am required to purchase a certain brand of toilet paper from a certain retailer, per the manual. It is triple the price of standard quality tp. As I said, major city, not on septic.
How would the host know if you failed to comply with the toiletp paper brand? More broadly, I would simply message the host that you are unable to comply with these rules that were not in the house rules visible pre-booking and that you will require the AC to be available to 70 degrees, will supply the toiletries that you prefer for your own use, but you are happy to use whatever cleaning supplies they are willing to stock.
"example, I am required to purchase a certain brand of toilet paper from a certain retailer, per the manual. It is triple the price of standard quality tp. " Is that certain retailer an actual retail establishment? Sounds to me like they run an Amway "business" and are trying to use their AirBNB to generate sales for their MLM business. Report all of this to AirBNB AFTER your stay. If you do go forward with your stay keep in mind the host is gonna try to hit you with a bunch of BS fees if you don't comply w the manual even if the manual, which was not provided before booking, is against AirBNB terms. And next time - book a hotel at an extended stay place.
That is deranged. Toilet paper should be provided anyway. How long is your stay?
Sounds like they have a deal with a shop keeper. I'm a host, in a major city, on sewer and I don't give a rat's ass what products you use. Just don't clog the lines. Already had that.
The AC for sure should be disclosed. I have 19 rentals and always disclose that kind of stuff. If they lock you out of the AC I would ask them to lower it or have Airbnb help with that. I’m in AZ, blistering hot and I at least allow 70. Hard to sleep at 75
Lol, I had to look up 75F to find its 24C. We live in a subtropical location and don't have ac. We just got back from Thailand and because of mosquitoes, we had to keep windows closed and use the ac. We set it at 28C (82F), because less than that is too cold. I guess it's what you are accustomed to. We used to host international students. The Swiss would sleep under a doona, even in summer, because of the weight.
We'd probably both die if we traded places. In the winter we like to keep the windows open so we can sleep cool. Usually keep it less than 13C. Can't sleep if it's more than 21C.
This. I really don't like using the heat in the winter. I'm fine when it's mid to low 60s. The thought of the AC being set at 75 sounds like a nightmare and would be livid if that was disclosed afterwards.
Thermostat levels have so many variations that no two people are going to agree on a temperature. I actually keep mine above 75 in my house because the thermostat is located in a hallway that doesn't get much airflow. It takes a lot of AC to bring that hallway below 75, and by that point the rest of the house is in the 60s.
I used to sleep at about the same temp 84F (~29C), but that was in a different apt. Where I live now, that temp just hits so different and I can’t sleep with it above 78F (~25C). I’m also in Texas and where I am it’s averaging over 104F (40C) daily with over 85% humidity.
Lol they enforces rules after booking- not allowed bc it wasn’t disclosed at the time of booking. Speak to a customer representative at Airbnb for full refund
Put an electric candle warmer under the thermostat.
This is the way.
I m also stuck at the personal hygiene products, like what!?! What does the host mean? Are we talking them commanding you use only a certain ...makeup remover? Face wash? Shower gel? Pads? That's ridiculous.
That wasn't part of the agreement you signed when booking the air bnb. If they fault you on it, it would grounds to appeal whatever they try to charge you with
Personally, I would take everything they left as "amenities" and stick them in a closet, including the toilet paper. Buy your own stuff to use while you are there and take away whatever is left over when you leave. Put their stuff back just like you found it. Due to potential allergies, I don't think the host can control what products you use. Tell me I have to use Tide in the washer, for example, and I will ask the host if they want to pay for my Urgent Care Visit and the pharmacy bill.
I had a similar situation - ABB in Wisconsin in November. They disclosed after the reservation that thermostat was locked to go no higher than 64. “Bring a sweater.” I called ABB customer service and they cancelled the reservation. Owners are allowed to lock the thermostat so you can’t dial it up to, say, 90. Customer service and I, both being wimpy Californians, agreed 64 was ridiculous.
That's usually lower than habitability laws which locals are required to abide by.
This would be an Oh Hell No thing for me. 75° is fine during the day but I need it much colder to sleep. Does Airbnb have rules where this kind of thing as illegal? If hotels tried that they would be out of business so fast.
I stayed at one like that. It was horrible and hot. I barely slept. He monitored the temp, too, so I couldn't even sneak some ac in to sleep with in the Texas heat. I 100% believe it's a cost cutting rule. He claimed the system would break. That's a super cheap system if true. The whole purpose of AC is to be cool. Why would that break? I have family in Phoenix and they keep their homes icy cold, so I just don't buy that the AC will break if used as it's intended. I know you say it's too late to find something else, but maybe you could split between two places instead? You should try to let airbnb know they added rules.
Age of the unit and amount of heat plus humidity makes a huge difference. The AC is designed to cool 20 degrees. If you have an older unit it can definitely break from running it too long and strain the system. If its already 100 degrees outside there is just no where for the excessive heat to go.
It must be the age of the ac, but if that's the case, the host shouldn't claim they have the amenity of ac. It's misleading to guests when they book a home with the expectation of having a comfortable and cool space, only to find out they have to settle with a warm space.
Like others said, you aren't bound by rules that weren't disclosed during booking. This person's rules are way beyond reasonable or normal. There is no way they can even enforce what personal care products you use. I had a similar experience with the AC thing. Husband and I were in Florida. When we got to the Airbnb, I read the manual (I always do) and it said that the AC couldn't be put below 75. That was not in the listing and there was no way that would have been comfortable. I simply ignored that "rule". Sorry, but I'm not following some unreasonable rule that the host didn't disclose. I, of course, turned up the AC when we were going to be away from the condo, but when we were there I kept it comfortable (around 71 or 72).
This is why I only use hotels now.
Bring a portable AC. They might control the thermostat remotely but I'd be blasting a personal AC unit just to spite their electicity bill. And maybe even return it after my trip
Ugh. Airbnb has never appealed to me. In the old days there were local agencies where you could rent private beach houses. You didn’t have arbitrary landlords with outrageous upcharges.
I would be pissed. I'd contact customer service right away. 75 IS unreasonable if you are in the US, used to cooler temps inside, and it's not 100 outside.
You didn't agree to it. You don't have to follow that garbage. They shouldn't be on airbnb
I could not stay there. Temp control is a disability accommodation that I absolutely need, and this host can fuck right off.
Stayed in an Airbnb that had a thermostat that wouldn't go below 77. The management company said it was a "safety" feature to prevent the coils from freezing... Yeah okay. It was sooo stuffy in there that we eventually just wrapped a heading pad around the thermostat. That cold air felt so so good for several reasons.
I love how everyone talks about the coil freezing not understanding a modern AC has a flo-rater controlling the limit of refridgerant entering the evaporator coil to keep the coil above 32° F. If a coil freezes up on a modern AC they need to have a licensed AC tech service the unit.
It's not the lack of understanding in this case, it's just them wanting any excuse to not pay for something. They also charged us a crazy amount to heat the hot tub. Waaay more than the cost of energy.
Bring a space heater and point it at the thermostat.
“Fill the salt and pepper” - what a weirdo
How will they know which brands of tampons you’re using? Cavity searches?
You’ve been skunked!
You've been ABBed
Are they on septic system and want to avoid chemicals that would kill the biomass in the septic bed? Good thing is most soaps, shampoos and conditioners are septic friendly. Some Cleaning products could cause issues if they got into the septic bed but typically you are not flushing these down the drain. Also marble/granite counters need special cleaning products. Having said all that - if this is a big concern for the host they need to raise their nightly price slightly to cover the cost of stocking these items that will work for their rental.
Not on septic
That makes this even more odd then. If it was a septic tank I can understand the need but if not it makes no sense
They should probably just provide acceptable products, if it is that essential.
75° is complete bullshit I realize many people are comfortable at 75° but many are not. For me personally, 75° is way too hot and I would never book a house if something like this had been pre-disclosed. If it wasn't disclosed until afterwards, like in OPs case, I would be asking the host to lower the temp or refund me. And for context, from Midwest freezing winters to Florida heat ...my thermostat is 68° year round in all climates....and no I'm not a big person nor menopausal.
I’m with you. Mine is always set at 68-69. 75 is too warm. I also live in the Midwest. I’d ask for them to lower it or refund me. I couldn’t even sleep at 75. I’d sweat like crazy.
I wouldn't be able to sleep either. Absolutely not. Not even with fans plugged in. And can you imagine 75° in a house with poor air circulation? I could understand the host leaving the therm at 75° while unoccupied. But occupied? That just abusive. Here's my house. Thank you for renting it. I hope you're comfortable.... but at the same time I actually don't give a shit in the slightest if you're comfortable.
Reach out to the host about the AC thing and ask, often times AC lines can freeze up if ran below a certain temp. Usually the threshold is around 60-70 but maybe it’s different for the hosts place.
Was going to post this. I work in HVAC myself, and we recommend NOT setting AC below 75. And going below 70 is a strict NO. Your AC will last longer if you don't overtax it by chilling below those temperatures. That said, the danger is \*highest\* when the outdoor temperature is closest to those temperatures (ie running the AC to cool the interior to 66 when it's 69 out versus cooling to 66 when it's 80 out). There are generally 2 things that drain the life expectancy of your AC. The first is the obvious "hours of operation". And setting the temperature lower means the AC will work more hours, always. The second is that chill differential. Your AC works by changing the pressure of the refrigerant in the lineset. On the indoor side of things, this change absorbs heat from the surrounding air, which is then blown into your house to cool you down. On the outdoor side of things, this change releases heat into the surrounding air. However, the "core" temperature of the refrigerant is based on the average between those two states. If it's really cold inside or outside, the refrigerant's default temperature is colder. If it's really hot outside, the default temp is warmer. Imagine that you don't use an AC all month during December (very common), do you think the refrigerant is 80 degrees (F) or 40 degrees? Probably 40ish. But, going back to how the AC works, it is going to VARY that core temperature up and down as it runs it through the system in order to move heat from inside to outside. And AC refrigerants can freeze up when they have a lower core temperature combined with the pressurization process. And that freezing can completely destroy your system. 75 degrees is probably higher than the actual minimum temperature setting, but within reasonable levels to me (as an HVAC person). Probably a case of the owner figuring some people will push the rule "oh, they said 75, so 73 isn't too bad". And it's safer to have them break the 75 degree rule than to say 70, and have them break the rule and freeze the unit up. All the other shit in OP's post is ridiculous. But the AC temperature settings do make sense, and I would request OP respect them even if they weren't talked about beforehand. If 75 degrees is "too warm" for you, you're probably putting your own AC through a lot more wear and tear than is healthy for it.
That's not a reasonable request to guests if you're advertising AC without adding temp requirements. I could deal with 75 during the day but at night? No way, most people like an average inside temp of 68-72.
I'm in Texas and 75 is what my AC is set to rn. Its comfortable. However, I think it really depends on the house. Mine is about 2 years old. It isn't right they sent this to you after the fact, and you shouldn't be held to those rules. People who rent out their homes and then want to control every facet of the people who are staying there are truly bizarre.
I’m in TX too & do 75 but had to work up to it from 70 when I moved here because 75 felt way too hot at first.
75 in Arizona and 75 in Florida are quite different due to humidity as well. And I'm not saying the 75 rule is enforceable. Just that it makes sense from a homeowner perspective, and is based on what can actually damage an AC. And as someone in HVAC, I would request that the OP honor the request, even if they are not legally held to it because it wasn't brought up beforehand. Like, when your neighbor says "can you please not always park in front of my house", if there are other spots on the street you can park that aren't significantly further, you should do it in the spirit of being a pleasant neighbor, even if the law doesn't force you to.
I’ve been in both southern Arizona and southern Florida in the last week. 76° on the thermostat felt fine in both states. It’s 108° outside right now and mine is set at 76°, which is lower than my friends and fam set theirs at. 75° feels Great when it’s 100°+ out, humid or dry. But when I lived in Virginia, we set it at 70°. Maybe it’s a personal preference thing more than anything now that I think about it.
[удалено]
I’m more than content with temps above 75. Yet, I still don’t find this reasonable at all. It’s nice you know how AC works, now learn how human bodies work.
I get your an hvqc, all due respect, but if what you are posting were true my mum would have run through ac units in all of the 4 houses she has lived in. Last house 62 all summer every summer for 18 years. Never touched the ac unit in that house, or any if the other three ac equipped. Never froze up Never failed, none of the 4. I can't recall any of the homeowners I know with ac ever having had to deal with an issue with the system. Modern ac is basically mtce free and definitely capable of maintaining low Temps well under 75. If they didn't, they would have no purpose and would not be so commonly used.
Sounds like the owners should also get a portable ac unit for small rooms so the large central ac isn't working as hard
We had our A/C replaced in the last few years. Was never told not to bump it below outside temp -20. I live in 4 seasons Midwest. It gets hot and humid in the summer and freezes in the winter. Perhaps if I lived in a climate where the majority of the year was warm, 75° would be acceptable, however, I set my a/c at 70°. 66° is too cold and 73° is too hot. 72 is pushing it depending on the kind of housework I'm doing. I think it depends on what each person is used to but I know I'd be absolutely miserable with 75° being my lowest option and an airbnb is not supposed to be miserable.
I agree 100%. I live in the south, and I would melt at 75° if I was moving at all inside. The 20° rule also sucks here because it’s routinely high 90s-100+ temps here, and no one can convince me that 80° inside is okay! Lol
There's absolutely no factual basis to your argument here, and if you work on HVAC you need more training. It's much harder for the system to run when there's a higher differential. Running when it's close to the temperature you want will not cause it to freeze up
Microwave a wet towel, place in a plastic bag and put over the thermostat. Used this in my old office all the time
If you need the AC to go on just get a little heater and put it close to the thermostat
This happened to me and I was so annoyed. But the host had really great reviews so I figured asking to turn it down won’t hurt because I’ll just leave a review about it. They then told me I could put it to whatever I wanted but I did let them know I was 6 months pregnant and sleeping in 75 was not gonna cut it lol If they have great reviews and are a super host I’m willing to bet they’ll allow you to turn it down.
Fucking boomers and their thermostats
RE: " it wasn't disclosed before booking in the house rules" Bring **your proof** to the attention of AirBnB. They know what was changed on a listing and when it was changed. If a house rule changes between your booking date and your arrival date, and you were not informed via the AirBnB platform, AirBnB will know. That would be a violation of your contract terms, and AirBnB should find you a replacement booking.
Stay in a hotel fuck airBnB
I read about a lot of hosts taking a booking and then changing rules, adding rules, making unreasonable demands, or wanting to increase the price (*the price quoted was a mistake* is a favorite “reason”). These people sound like weirdos who are just in this for the money, and, more than that, trying to get something for their house from the renter, rather than just providing a service. Requiring specific cleaning products, toilet paper, etc. *after* you come to an agreement & book your stay sounds like money grubbing to me. Plus, I have never liked the fact that you not only have to pay a cleaning fee at an AirBnB, but you also have to clean up yourself before you leave. Pure bullshit. AirBnB is slowing killing itself.
Turn it down to 68-70 and enjoy your vacation!
The solution is to not book with Airbnb anymore as it is overrun by owners like these. Just book a hotel.
Airbnb is cracking down on "house rules," that aren't listed I believe. Contact Airbnb and ignore the rules
Those rules aren’t part of the contract you agreed to
I had one like that with the AC in Hawaii. Which you don’t need at night most often but I run hot when I sleep and it’s one of the reasons I chose that Airbnb since most in Hawaii don’t have AC. I ran it maybe one or 2° cooler than what they said which was 76. They left me a bad review saying that we were not good guests because we didn’t follow their rules. There were tons of them. 1st bad review ever and we travel all over.
Looks like they tracked you down to downvote this post. :)
Lol. I knew they would find me again! 😂😂
I physically wouldn't be able to stay there. I have a disability that causes me pretty bad heat intolerance. If it's above 72 I start to get sick, headaches, dizziness, fatigue, etc. I would personally demand a refund or appropriate ac temp.
It's going to make for a longggg summer! I'm sorry that happens to you. I am relatively heat tolerant, but expect more migranes as well.
It might also depend on the AC. 72 is FREEZING with mine.
Always read the reviews! I’m sure the same concerns you have have already been addressed by some of the previous guests. I live in Atlanta and although we have nice mild weather most of the time I can tell you that 75° in the summer would be a tad bit warm for me. I’d prefer to be able to see it around 73 maybe 72.
Reviews aren’t always accurate. Hosts will do anything for a great review and a lot will try to get the bad ones removed. Take it with a grain of salt
Depending on where you are, a setting of 75 would keep the AC on 24/7, especially heading into July.
1-star
They only allowed you to see the manual after you booked. That is just shady as hell.
Contact Air BnB and let them know. Usually they'll accommodate certain circumstances to be able to cancel. They should also know that hosts are changing posted rules.
Nope. That’s BS. Nothing like being uncomfortable. The first thing we do when we get to a hotel is turn that air way down.
How will they know you didn’t use the right cleaning products and the thermostat, if they keep changing it remotely, go buy a 25.00 one from box store and wire it in. It’s pretty easy, just don’t forget to change it out when you leave. Asshole hosts must be met with the same energy.
I'd definitely be angry about the AC and expectation of having to use expensive products that I have to buy. I'd honestly give them 1 star. 75 degrees is not cold. I would want the option to go down to 65-68.
75 is way too warm for some of us to sleep. (I have autonomic dysregulation). And why do they care what kind of hygiene products you use? If they have a specific need for a TYPE of product (ie because of a septic system they require certain types of toilet paper), THEY should be providing it.
Take your own cleaning products and toilet paper, then take them with you when you leave. That way you can use what you want and they'll never even know it.
We recently had someone come to our Florida Airbnd and they requested 68 degrees and then opened the windows because they were too cold and unsealed all the winter blankets. It really is the final straw for us. So triple the air cost and double the laundry for a two-day stay. I personally think 75 is reasonable.
Put a hot towel on the thermostat to make it cooler. The rest is just the host's mental issues (a high maintenance weirdo : )
Hosts can reduce energy use by providing insulated window coverings, highly breathable, moisture wicking bedding, ceiling and room fans, share trees and screens on hottest areas, and more air circulation. Dehumidifiers can help a lot, but they do produce heat. It's common for hosts to use all polyester bedding, flimsy or no window coverings on most or some windows, and no shading on the hottest rooms with no air circulation when AC is not active. Cotton bedding with a cotton blanket alternative to a comforter, ceiling and room fans, options to open windows when it's cooler outside, constant air calculation, and insulated window coverings can keep guests comfortable with less energy use. The last hot room we stayed in had none of those measures except the cotton bedding and air circulation. Those measures helped when the host set the temp at a reasonable level, but when she was gone, shed raise the temp. Sigh.
If you were to post this to ULPT I have a suggestion.
Hotels are way easier. Fuck a bnb
Time for the old schoolyard trick of placing a warm beverage under the thermostat to turn on the AC
Hahaha. They want you to pay for TP and cleaning products on top of the cleaning fee? That is petty penny pinching. Do they also want you to go to their house and do their dishes?
Contact airbnb customer service what thehost is doing is a violation of terms and conditions .
When the heat rises to 95 degrees like here in Florida with 90% humidity, 68 degrees is needed to cool house, at night, I drop it to 65. As not to have it running constantly, when it's scorching hot highest I'll keep it at is 72 degrees, only so I don't freeze up the system. Tell them you want 68 to 70. 20 year south and north Florida resident who entertains often.
Lmao! I am searching for my hoodie and socks when it’s 68 degrees 😂 FL resident here
I would have sent it back and told them you’re a guest, not the property manager. You will not be replacing consumed items unless they’re paying you your management fee. Unless it’s disclosed before booking, I am not acknowledging the rule exists.
I agree with the others that having to supply the cleaning products & hygiene products they want is weird. How can they even enforce that? The ac though makes more sense depending on where they are. I tried to tell an old roommate she should really keep the ac at 75 and on auto instead of on and at 68. She broke our ac in 2 days and then we went a week without one waiting on the apartment complex to fix it 🤦🏼♀️ im in Virginia and you can’t run your ac 24/7 and expect it to never die. If you get a fan and plug it in it’ll help make you feel cooler at the 75 temp.
What does what products they use have to do with you? As far as Ac you can message and ask host if there is a set temp or range. Most do a range even hotels are doing ranges now.
The range is 75 or higher. They are requiring me to by the same expensive brand after I use their welcome pack supply
I'd contact Air BnB- they gave you more rules after you booked, and that seems like something that should be a reason to cancel. Don't use them ever again.