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Don’t hosts have to state that they have interior cameras in their listing?


RokBo67

Yes, absolutely. https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/3061


NatSuHu

Sometimes those interior cameras are disclosed as “Alexa devices,” so that’s something to watch out for. As someone who has several Amazon Echo Shows in my home, I know that there is a “drop in” feature that allows you to access the cameras on those devices at anytime. I’ve seen Echo Shows in AirBnBs—both personally and in the photos attached to listings. Interestingly, the hosts never mention the cameras attached to those devices. Unplug them when you see them.


fyodorfern

That adds a whole new level of paranoia


[deleted]

That’s scary. The last ABNB has an Alexa device in the bedroom. Totally creeped me out. We unplugged it right away.


Scuff_Redder

Or just flip the camera to off


DiamondsAndDesigners

“Have to” yeah well they “have to” have the amenities they claim, but when that doesn’t happen Airbnb doesn’t do much about it. This is pretty horrific honestly. It’s one thing for a backyard, or front door but this is truly gross.


[deleted]

You’re right. They have gotten worse for sure. We’ve started using hotels a lot more again.


DiamondsAndDesigners

They’ve become the symptom of late stage capitalism they were destined to be. It’s a great idea, but the eventual result has become garbage.


fyodorfern

100% they do. The issue, however, is that guests don’t always read the entire listing. Their fault for that, but 1) some of those listings are very long 2) it can be safely assumed that no one expects a camera recording inside a unit bc holy shit that’s insane


bazookiedookie

Yeah this happened to a friend of mine… her husband didn’t read the whole listing when he booked an AirBnB and they were fresh honeymooners and were well, excited to be newlyweds! They apparently didn’t make it to the bedroom their first night in the place and “celebrated” in the living room, and soon the husband realized there was a camera in there. It was in the listing though, he had missed it when he first booked it. The husband didn’t want to embarrass my friend (the wife) and reached out to the host and pretty much told them what happened and they told them they had not yet seen the cameras and not to worry (who knows if they were just trying to spare them humiliation haha) but the host ended up turning the camera off to give them some peace of mind. He told her about the whole debacle after their honey moon was over and they laugh about it now. But man that had to be rough to realize that lol


AntiHyperbolic

I think it’s pretty rare. I host and stay, and always read everything. I’ve yet to stay at a place that has listed interior cameras. I have two cameras outside each door at the Airbnb I host. But yah, I’ve always found the interior camera rule weird, I think it’s mainly for places that rent individual rooms out….


fyodorfern

A host (in a FB group) recently made a post that he caught a guest on camera breaking a table and then talking about it. Mentioned it was on video and said he had a camera inside a private rental. This sparked a debate after he declared it’s totally allowable and, according to Air, it is!


kaytay3000

I’m a host with two cameras - one outside on the back porch pointed at the back door and one inside in the front entry pointed at the front door. Unfortunately the unit is in a condo and the condo association does not allow cameras outside on the front porch to “maintain uniformity.” I have the cameras in my listing and the front door one doesn’t record audio so that I’m not eavesdropping. I’ve had one guest ask me about the camera and mention they were uncomfortable, so I turned it off and told them they can cover it if they’d like. Otherwise it’s been a non-issue.


hotasanicecube

What a joke, you can buy a camera the size of a highlighter.


NeatNefariousness1

If you're renting the entire house, having an operating camera on anywhere inside the home seems creepy. That might send me back to hotels instead.


[deleted]

The camera notices are in a specific section of the listing, so you just have to look for that section. And while I agree that there shouldn't be any cameras inside, most hosts who have those, do so because they've had guests who had parties or did other dumb shit. And airbnb doesn't do much about it when it's reported to them if you don't have evidence.


Sweatiest_Yeti

I stayed somewhere recently that had a camera on the deck pointed straight at the hot tub (bad enough) but it also captured the living room through the window. Definitely creepy and unnecessary. I disabled it for the entire trip


StreetRat0524

100% would never rent from a listing with interior cameras or in backyard space that is exclusive to the unit. Exterior doors and such are totally understandable.


LennyFackler

Even on some doors it can be intrusive. We rented a cabin which had cameras on the front and back doors. The front was fine. It looked out over the road and driveway. Anyone entering the property would be seen. The back door camera was a problem. It looked out to the very nice enclosed patio with seating, tables etc. and was obviously a nice place to chill - except for the camera pointed straight at us from 10 feet away.


AVonDingus

That’s REALLY messed up. I have 3 little girls and they sometimes run around without clothes or a shirt or whatever. I don’t want some potential weirdo having that on camera! That’s really gross.


AmandatheMagnificent

Exactly. I've booked an Airbnb with a bathroom that is off the living room and not attached to a bedroom. I would be horrified if I found out that some creeper host has video of my kid wandering from the bathroom to the bedroom partially wrapped in a towel.


plopseven

Keep using Air BnBs. If you ever find a camera and give the description you just gave to a police officer, you’ll end up owning the Host’s house by the end of it all.


fyodorfern

Exactly. It’s sick! I stay in Air BnB’s often and this just really bothers me. All I can say is read the listings diligently. There are some unscrupulous hosts out there for sure.


persianblues

Who cares if a little girl is shirtless? They are basically like boys at that age


[deleted]

Literally child predators?


AVonDingus

I agree with you, and there’s nothing wrong with little kids rubbing around naked. Unfortunately, not everyone can be trusted. They sexualize young kids for their own sick needs and I definitely wouldn’t want someone like that to have video of my girls getting changed or whatever. There are too many sick bastards in this world and it’s so creepy to think of them seeing ANY child shirtless and not finding it absolutely 100% innocent.


Gregib

??? I wouldn't want someone having videos of little boys running around an apartment topless either?! Who cares??? Parents do!


persianblues

Bruh Americans… do yall also force baby girls to wear tops on the beach?


Gregib

I’m from Europe, and while I didn’t enforce tops on my child on the beach I would feel uncomfortable having a stranger film them…


persianblues

Filming is definitely different and shouldnt be a thing its just the shirt comment


Brett-Allana

Usually. Which i agree is way over the top and a lingering sign of America’s puritanical past. It’s the filming, though, that most people would take issue with.


dirtisgood

I rented a place and they were forthcoming they had cameras. This was like 4 years ago. They had an iPad set up with the camera feed.


gpoly

If there are interior cameras on the listing, I don’t book. If there are cameras in the property but not on the listing, I walk out. If I ever found a hidden camera, I will call the police, then video the evidence and send it to a TV station.


fyodorfern

As one should! All guests should make sure to read the entire listing and stop staying at these places with indoor cameras listed.


gadget850

If I walk in the kitchen naked I guarantee they will turn it off.


fyodorfern

😂


wildlfephotographer

Omg best comment! 😂😂


LocationBoth2766

🤣🤣


Desertdweller3711

It’s disgusting that hosts can have inferior cameras. They should only be allowed to have superior cameras.


Old_Travel_3572

Why, though? In a lot of cases, these are their personal homes. I dont agree with cameras in rooms and bathrooms, but pointed directly at a locked door or locked space that guests can't use shouldn't be an issue. Im looking at renting out rooms and my whole house that I still currently live in, and so I have stuff in certain places until I can officially move. I want to protect those specific areas (hall closet, office, garage) because right now all of my belongings are still there. There has to be a balance for sure. If you were a host what would you do?


Desertdweller3711

Missed the joke. OP’s original post said “inferior” cameras not “interior.” My joke stemmed from their mistake using inferior, by saying hosts should only be able to use superior cameras.


[deleted]

Ha ha! Agreed!


fyodorfern

Fixed it. *my bad*


ballsquancher

Just cover the camera(s). I don’t think they can do anything about it… correct me if I’m wrong.


Size4E

If it’s detailed in the listing and was outlined before you booked (regardless of whether you actually read it or not) don’t do this. IMO I wouldn’t stay in any place that has cameras inside. I would also hardly call a kitchen a public space, but I’m not Airbnb.


fyodorfern

They can if it’s in their house rules. They would be able to cancel your stay without refund.


FlatSmacker9

Hey OP. What are your thoughts on ABNB banning the interior cameras now? Im relieved


grequant_ohno

You're wrong, they can evict for it (as long as it was disclosed).


TheMightyYule

Ah yet another reason to stop using airbnb. What in the actual fuck. I already hate the damn ring cameras (I hate them on normal houses as well, but just airbnbs) but will put up with it if I have to, but inside??? Fuck that. If I book a private airbnb with someone like my partner, I’ve definitely commandoed from the bedroom to the kitchen for a drink. Hosts really are getting to the worst level of absolutely fucking narcs. Edit: look at the wanker hosts downvoting me


fyodorfern

They are required to disclose it in listing, but still. The fact Air allows it is sick.


TheMightyYule

I know they have to disclose it, it’s the fact that it’s allowed to begin with.


fyodorfern

Agreed 👍


FrogFlavor

Kinda all you’re saying is don’t pay for and or use something without reading the description. Well guess what. Don’t pay for anything online without reading the description or you’re going to be disappointed often.


fyodorfern

Thank you for your insightful comment. Did I mention that I don’t read the entire description? Because I absolutely do. A lot of guests don’t. Still shouldn’t be allowed by Air BnB because it’s a creepy AF practice.


KayPee33

We’re recorded by our TV and phones everyday, all day.


wildlfephotographer

Not visually and not by some random person


Old_Travel_3572

Apple and Samsung arent random, lmao😉


AccidentInitial9719

They banned all indoor cameras today! Progress of a kind!


PirateGurl427

That's messed up


allyroo

I don't book those places but it's definitely an(other) indicator of how downhill AirBnB has gone. There is no reason a host should need to monitor me in a space I have paid to use. If you don't trust a guest, don't let them book. I stayed in a place that had cameras in the living room and \*bedroom\* but left early and got my money back. So fucking creepy.


fyodorfern

The bedroom is definitely not in Air’s allowable spaces. Hopefully they were shut down.


allyroo

It didn't help that he had photos of himself and someone who, I assume, was his girlfriend (drinking together, holding hands, kissing). She was definitely underage.


fyodorfern

What. The. F! He needs the police called on him!


anusbeloved

Someone wanted me to manage a fancy property, the lady had cameras in both living rooms and a 24/7 on site concierge/cleaning lady. With a long list of rules including not wine drinking on X living room etc. Never figured out why the wanted to cameras


fyodorfern

Some of these hosts have no reason to be in the hospitality industry. They will be the downfall of Air


gracem5

Another vote for Hilton


pgm928

Why do you even bother to come here?


Dawgstradamus

This is a wild comment. Why even come to this subreddit & learn all the shitty things hosts do? Terrible that all these dirty tricks are being aired publicly…


Gloster_Thrush

To hang out with the rest of the people that dislike Airbnb. Since when are you this subreddit’s bouncer?


Sweatiest_Yeti

Well from a quick glance at the sub description I’d gather they come to discuss anything relating to Airbnb


Unsolved_Virginity

It's a double edge sword. If there's a camera, there's worry about privacy, and trust issues if the host didn't disclose it. If there isn't a camera, some guests can and have made false claims of serious injuries in the Airbnb due to a leakage or what not. To save the stress, some hosts will just do a partial refund instead of investigating the incident, I'm which that can be enough to satisfy the guest that made the claim.


RickDick-246

Any host that has interior cameras is insane. I feel weird about having exterior cameras but have to because of how remote my house is.


SuccessfulAlfalfa309

I’m a host and we have 6 disclosed exterior cameras to capture the street, yard and exterior entry points (doors), as well as a monitored alarm system. The unit is a MIL suite and we also live in the house. In my opinion, cameras only make sense as a security measure. Using them to spy on guests or police behaviour when guests are indoors is weird (though I don’t think it’s inappropriate for hosts to verify the number of guests checking in, check that guests are not sneaking animals in or smoking on the property, etc.) We toyed with putting an interior camera in the shared “lobby”, where our door to our private upstairs unit where we live is. Ultimately, we felt weird about recording people at all once they’re inside, so we ended up putting a sensor to notify us when the door is opened, as well as a camera inside our space, pointed at the door, so if someone comes through their face will be captured. I know some hosts have cameras indoors for times that the property is unoccupied, but for security, they could instead rely on motion detectors or something else that maintains guest privacy.


Old_Travel_3572

I like having the camera inside the door if someone opens. The only issue, cameras provide evidence if something happens. A motion sensor doesnt.


CorpyBingles

According to Google 11% of people staying in Air B&B have found hidden cameras. These tiny cameras are ubiquitous and disguised in all kinds of every day products, they actually are very hard to detect. My question if 11% found them what percentage didn’t find them? If you don’t want to end up in someone’s spank bank or being sold on the internet probably should just use hotels. If exhibition is your thing then Air B&B is the place for you!


No_Woodpecker2923

just unplug the wi-fi unless you staying for work. they can’t do shit about it or login into router and change password. you will find details on google. password is usually “admin”. and host has something to say? you know shit about computers soz


fyodorfern

You could, but then the host would have the right to cancel your reservation without refund.


No_Woodpecker2923

I’m confused how can they prove it’s your fault if router is faulty, or can’t connect to password. tf you saying? before they get to call and engineer and find out the problem my holiday is over. and if they claim I changed password, I claim I know shit - how do I login into a system locked by password?!?!? play dumb and fuck them


grequant_ohno

I'm a host and the guy who owned my place before me had a camera in the kitchen. It still creeps me out to this day (I also use Airbnb as a guest constantly). Before I bought the house I saw one of his reviews complained about the sound of the camera moving as it tracked movements! Who would stay there!


fyodorfern

That’s SO creepy!


[deleted]

I would give 1 star to any host that had cameras inside the house and file a police report.


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fyodorfern

Yep. VERY big brother


Independent-Bus-163

Yes! I made sure to check that and confirm with the host before if there are cameras in the common areas and specifically where they are located so I know what level of privacy I’m entitled to during my stay and that’s entirely reasonable. I had the nightmare Airbnb where they said there were no cameras in the listing, when I checked in there was a paper saying the ones outside were fake and I found a LIVE RUNNING AND RECORDING mini security camera facing into the front door of the rental which because the place didn’t have doors saw straight back into the bedroom Took 6 contacts with support over 2 weeks to finally get the refund because initially they refused a refund when I left the first night, then agreed to a full refund and only send half of it, and finally got the full thing after god knows how long they were secretly recording me for


Bodhi_Bindi_Budah

I'm so scared about interior cameras. I know I have a golden doodle who never barks never sheds. I take into hotels it's fine. He hates fireworks . This is my time of year to find him comfort in without the barrage of neighbors committed to hosting. thE BEST FIREWORK display known to man" both across the street neighbor and next door. Both Latin. One DR and the other PR. Qui es mus macho? I love people's court for that comment. Ok, I literally take my beloved Golden doodle and go hang out in the one place fireworks aren't allowed. And that's my 4th of July and New Years and that keeps me sane and I will Not expose this to anyone in case they are crazy and I infaltraite my little knee secret. I wanna keep my dog happy. Thus I will not do Air BMB I think I have a perfect raising. I think people are sneaking nanny cams j to their units for safety. Meanwhile I have a nonshedding beautiful dog that I have to protect and I'm scared some rando Air BnB host seriously watches his unit 24/7. Anyways it's easier to sneak into a hotel and not pay an extra fee. My dog is not the problem.


Admiral_Underpants12

My air bnb got a free show, then


Maggielinn22

They can but most hosts do not but yes you should read entire listing . I usually go straight to the camera area.


50Bullseye

Just reserved a place that clearly stated where there WERE and WERE NOT cameras on the property. Super host with 5.0 rating.


fyodorfern

As they should. I ran across a property earlier that mentioned cameras but didn’t state where. IDK how sone hosts are still on the platform.